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(MSNBC)   John Kerry says the problem in Iraq is that Bush didn't send enough troops. 30 seconds later he says the problem is that we sent too many troops. Thanks for clearing that up, Mr. Nuance   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 137
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2006-11-02 12:14:01 AM
can john kerry screw up a second super important election?
 
2006-11-02 12:15:02 AM
January 2007:
I'm in yr files
Investigating yr crimes
/bye bye GOP
 
2006-11-02 12:15:14 AM
why the ƒµ©k is everything I post in getting green lit?
 
2006-11-02 12:18:16 AM
puuukeeyTF

/It's a done deal! He's not as smart as he thinks he is.
 
2006-11-02 12:19:06 AM
Jesus Christ, who cares about John Kerry?
 
2006-11-02 12:19:48 AM
tarrant84: Jesus Christ, who cares about John Kerry?


Republicans desparate for a distraction from actual issues in the next week or so.
 
2006-11-02 12:20:00 AM
What is the obsession with John Kerry?

As somebody pointed out earlier, he's not even the senior senator in his own state.

Who cares what he thinks?
 
2006-11-02 12:20:34 AM
Also, when politicians rack up Kerry's war record-- combat action, 2 purple hearts, a bronze, and a silver star, they can say he hates our troops.

He botched a joke.
 
2006-11-02 12:21:32 AM
Wow. And this guy had designs for running again in 2008. Not to say that he could win, but pretty much he's screwed himself into political obscurity in less than a week.

That's gotta hurt... and I'm not sad.
 
2006-11-02 12:22:51 AM
I could not listen to this egomanic for 4 yrs. He is cluless!
 
2006-11-02 12:23:45 AM
...reads TFA...

Now there's a surprise, submitter mischaracterizes something John Kerry said.

What he actually said was that Rusmsfeld didn't send enough troops, which his generals wanted.

5 farking years ago.

Now that the situation is untenable, it's a mistake to keep sending more soldiers, which is what he was talking about with the McCain comment. We're not doing any good there any longer, and the situation is very quickly spiralling out of control, and as he said- we simply don't have another 100,000 soldiers.

More than a hundred bodies turn up every day with torture marks, like drill holes in them, every day. Devout Muslims are having their bodies tattooed with their name and phone number so they can be identified if randomly killed in sectarian violence. We can't screw the place up any worse than we have already if we just leave.

I got your nuance right here, subby.

/Karl?
 
2006-11-02 12:24:54 AM
Yes, Kerry should go and be quiet somewhere, but as for this headline... puuukeey please. There is a difference between not sending enough troops in 2003 and whether there should be more or less there today.

If you can't handle that level of "nuance", you shouldn't debate about the war with anyone, that's for sure.
 
2006-11-02 12:26:12 AM
tarrant84

Jesus Christ, who cares about John Kerry?

Well, he is a U.S. Senator. Not a lot of those, and he does have a voice in the American government.

More importantly, why are people simply attacking John Kerry without bothering to understand what he actually said? For some reason it's fashionable to attack Kerry, but I'm having a hard time fathoming why.
 
2006-11-02 12:28:22 AM
tarrant84 [TotalFark]

/check it out, he lasted like 10 days, then blasted his 'partners'. He is just not viable.
 
2006-11-02 12:29:28 AM
Kerry came to speak at my college. My boyfriend almost got him to sign a flip flop, but he chickened out at the last second.
 
2006-11-02 12:31:26 AM
The dimension of time, and of course, the ability to admit you were wrong about something (thus changing your opinions) seem to be ideas that escape the Bush administraton and Republican party.
 
2006-11-02 12:31:41 AM
That's it, I've had it. I will not be voting for John Kerry this coming Tuesday.
 
2006-11-02 12:32:14 AM
My boyfriend almost got him to sign a flip flop, but he chickened out at the last second.

Too bad, really. One of the fastest ways in this political climate to get rid of a bad reputation is to embrace it and make it absurd.
 
2006-11-02 12:32:54 AM
For some reason it's fashionable to attack Kerry, but I'm having a hard time fathoming why.
What else do they have to do?
I mean, it isn't as if these politicians could discuss POSITIVE things they've done in Congress, or anything of that nature.
 
2006-11-02 12:34:25 AM
Cyclometh: why are people simply attacking John Kerry without bothering to understand what he actually said?

There are times where you will tell a "joke" and screw it up royally... and that mistake will cost you. It's like some racist jokes: they can be funny as hell and even make you closer with the butt of the joke, but you'd better make sure you tell it correctly.

There are other times where you have something to say and you screw it up by verbalizing your own public debate on the issue.

Personally I don't think Kerry fully plans on what to say and just speaks. I'm no "flip flop" catch phrase person, but it does seem to fit.

Hell, Howard Dean has been pretty quiet lately, you'd think Kerry would be smart enough to hide for another few weeks.
 
2006-11-02 12:34:36 AM
submitter: John Kerry says the problem in Iraq is that Bush didn't send enough troops. 30 seconds later he says the problem is that we sent too many troops. Thanks for clearing that up, Mr. Nuance

Here, I know it's hard to understand, so I'll try to explain it in the simplest possible terms:

2003: Rumsfeld didn't send enough troops to stabilize Iraq.

>>>INSERT MASSIVE QUAGMIRE HERE

2006: Sending more troops now that Iraq is a hellish nightmare is idiotic.
 
2006-11-02 12:35:32 AM
minidoxigirli: My boyfriend almost got him to sign a flip flop, but he chickened out at the last second.

You should never change your mind and always stay the course.
 
2006-11-02 12:36:12 AM
puffy999

I mean, it isn't as if these politicians could discuss POSITIVE things they've done in Congress, or anything of that nature.

Actually, I imagine they could. Problem is that sort of thing doesn't get any play. And people don't pay attention to it if it's not nasty any more.

I don't think there's a single member of congress with a completely evil record, and even fewer with a record they couldn't trumpet to their supporters.

But in this day and age, it's far easier, more effective and apparently more satisfying to go for a cockpunch.
 
2006-11-02 12:36:22 AM
dameron: 2003: Rumsfeld didn't send enough troops to stabilize Iraq.

>>>INSERT MASSIVE QUAGMIRE HERE

2006: Sending more troops now that Iraq is a hellish nightmare is idiotic.


Agreed 100% except you missed the dismissal of the Iraqi military in ~2003.
 
2006-11-02 12:36:42 AM
maRox: /check it out, he lasted like 10 days, then blasted his 'partners'. He is just not viable.

Not quite(p) (source: Wiki)

I'm not even a Democrat. Kerry served with honor, he did a lot of very brave stunts in the military.

Keep in mind that the cheerleaders who decry him-- Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the rest of the gang-- ducked out and have never seen live action combat. Without having served a day, they committed our troops to a war without the supplies they need. What's worse, is they committed our troops to a war which we have no plan as to how we're going to win under false pretenses.

You just can't credibly say that Kerry hates the troops. (but you can say a lot of other negative things about him...)

So yeah, I'm not a fan of Kerry, but this whole 'neo-con we love the troops but we'll never serve let's invade places and figure out the strategy 3000 dead bodies later' bullshiat has got to stop.
 
2006-11-02 12:37:01 AM
submitter: John Kerry says the problem in Iraq is that Bush didn't send enough troops. 30 seconds later he says the problem is that we sent too many troops. Thanks for clearing that up, Mr. Nuance

Allow me to play Mr. Nuance:

Statement 1: Kerry feels Mr. Rumsfeld made a mistake by not sending enough troops to secure the country at the start of the invasion.

Statement 2: Kerry disagrees with McCain's plan to send 100,000 more troops (we ain't got) into Iraq now.

This isn't rocket surgery. Maybe we can come up with an applicable analogy:

Let's say your house burns down. You criticize the fire department for not showing up with enough water when the house was on fire. But your neighbor John suggests pouring 100,000 gallons of water (you ain't got) onto the pile of ashes where your house used to be. You disagree with John.

The water would have been helpful when the fire started. Using more water now isn't going to help. Besides that, we're pretty much out of water at this point.

Again, this isn't brain science.
 
2006-11-02 12:37:18 AM
What the hell is John Kerry running for this year?

It's pretty clever psychological tactics for Republicans to try and echo 2004.

I do admire their ability at controlling the opinions of the unquestioning.
 
2006-11-02 12:38:13 AM
As each day goes by, I lose my ability to believe politicians in this country are capable of doing something for the greater good. Or, taking the high moral/ethical road.
 
2006-11-02 12:39:27 AM
What is the obsession with John Kerry?

Jesus Christ, who cares about John Kerry?


He's in the senate. He ran for President last election and has stated he is at least interested in running for president again?

Just a guess

submitter: 30 seconds later he says the problem is that we sent too many troops

No he didn't say that STFU submitter.
FTFA

John McCain says we ought to send another 100,000 troops over there. First of all, we don't have another 100,000 troops.
 
2006-11-02 12:40:04 AM
puffy999 [TotalFark]

For some reason it's fashionable to attack Kerry, but I'm having a hard time fathoming why.
What else do they have to do?

/puffy, just listen to this egomanic. He dosen't care about you. He cares about himself.
 
2006-11-02 12:40:45 AM
azmoviez

Personally I don't think Kerry fully plans on what to say and just speaks.

I think that's a great thing in a politician. I'd prefer someone who does things like stumble over their words or makes a mistake every now and then.

And the interesting thing is, most of the people who hate Kerry (and liberals in general) with the deepest passion are the ones who consider themselves "folksy" or simple, no-nonsense kinds of people, and yet are the ones who more than any other group swallow the manufactured line, the completely artificial message, and the totally non-believable facade.

But when a real human being who does things like change his mind when new information is available or flubs a zinger aimed at the President shows up, BURN THE FARKING WITCH!

/feh.
 
2006-11-02 12:40:52 AM
Confabulat: What the hell is John Kerry running for this year?

It's pretty clever psychological tactics for Republicans to try and echo 2004.


C'mon! If McCain said the same thing... or maybe if a certain Speaker of the House was trying to cover their tracks on a certain disgusting page molesting House member, you don't think the Dems would do the same exact thing?
 
2006-11-02 12:41:49 AM
log_jammin: John McCain says we ought to send another 100,000 troops over there. First of all, we don't have another 100,000 troops.


He was for it before he was against it.
 
2006-11-02 12:42:20 AM
Are you talking about Kerry?
Fark Kerry. I could give a rat's ass about this tool. The fact is, the way the other side is smearing him is much more pathetic than anything Kerry has ever done, especially since he (unlike many of them) has the balls to fight.
 
2006-11-02 12:42:24 AM
jarrett

rocket surgery

You sir, owe me a new keyboard.
 
2006-11-02 12:42:48 AM
submitter: 30 seconds later he says the problem is that we sent too many troops.

I think it's important to note that this part of the headline is an outright, unapologetic, baldfaced, blatant... *thumbs through thesaurus* ...vociferous, mendacious, obstreperous lie.

Submitter, you are a liar.
 
2006-11-02 12:43:05 AM
Cyclometh: I think that's a great thing in a politician. I'd prefer someone who does things like stumble over their words or makes a mistake every now and then.

I want someone who has actually made a decision. I understand and respect if someone debates internally and changes an opinion. Just don't give me both sides and pretend that you've made a choice. The populous wants it's leaders to have leadership and personal debate should be settled in private.
 
2006-11-02 12:43:09 AM
That was directed at maRox. Both of us lack html. ;)
 
2006-11-02 12:44:02 AM
CHAZZZ: He was for it before he was against it.


I was netural before I was undecided
 
2006-11-02 12:44:55 AM
e-farking-gads.
 
2006-11-02 12:46:08 AM
I also enjoy how this seems to be the important issue on Fox News.
I really think a congressman's men assaulting someone (with the congressman subsequently lying about the man... though I don't care for what he was doing, and think asking questions about a divorced couple from many years ago is completely irrelevant to this week's election, the man didn't deserve to be assaulted) should be a bigger news story. But hey, who cares about that kind of thing? Kerry said something dumb!
 
2006-11-02 12:46:43 AM
azmovies

I want someone who has actually made a decision

Well, Kerry's not running for anything this season, but I hardly think changing his mind constitutes not having made a decision. I've made plenty of decisions that I later changed my mind about. Doesn't make me a waffler or wishy/washy.

There's a myth of the "leader" that seems to be that leaders make decisions and stick by them. Period. I've never seen a real leader do that. They make a decision and support it, until/if it's apparent that decision was incorrect.
 
2006-11-02 12:48:01 AM
azmoviez: C'mon! If McCain said the same thing... or maybe if a certain Speaker of the House was trying to cover their tracks on a certain disgusting page molesting House member, you don't think the Dems would do the same exact thing?

Oh no doubt.

I blame all the media outlets, every single one of them.

Why was this news? Why was this LEADING news?
 
2006-11-02 12:48:19 AM
maRox: but I'm having a hard time fathoming why.

Because we're T-minus 5 days to an election that will, barring voter fraud (but don't hold your breath), end Newt Gingrich's Contract on America.

Democrat president and Republican congress -- workable.
Republican president and Democrat congress -- workable.
Republican president and Republicn congress -- is like being the banker in Monopoly when nobody's looking.
Ditto for Democrats in total power.
 
2006-11-02 12:48:24 AM
kmmontandon: Republicans desparate for a distraction from actual issues in the next week or so.

Soooooo... to distract everyone from real issues--like Iraq--they're focusing attention on what Kerry said--about Iraq?
 
2006-11-02 12:49:35 AM
John Kerry is secretly working for the Republicans. I wonder what they offered him?
 
2006-11-02 12:50:07 AM
Cyclometh: Well, Kerry's not running for anything this season, but I hardly think changing his mind constitutes not having made a decision.

But within 30 seconds?? (maybe not the exact time). People respect leaders that have an opinion on something. This is right, that is wrong.

It's fine, and sometimes preferred, to change an opinion if the results were not as intended but you can't claim both sides; that's not what a leader does. Make a decision and save the internal debating for a less public place.
 
2006-11-02 12:51:05 AM
The CraneMeister: they're focusing attention on what Kerry said--about Iraq?



Exactly, why talk about some idiot campaigning in California when U.S. troops are dying in Iraq?
 
2006-11-02 12:51:31 AM
The CraneMeister: they're focusing attention on what Kerry said--about Iraq?

i think they'll take whatever victories they can get.

kicking this dipshiat around seems to be the easiest one on the platter.
 
2006-11-02 12:51:32 AM
This headline does seem to be part of a trend.

Monday
Kerry: Bush is dumb. If you don't study, you get stuck in Iraq. Or something.
Idiots on the Right: Kerry said the troops are dumb!

Tuesday
Kerry: McCain's idea to send more troops isn't practical.
Idiots on the Right: Kerry says the problem is not enough troops... and too many troops!!!1 Waffles!!

Wednsday
Kerry: I was thinking hot dogs for lunch.
Idiots on the Right: OMFG Kerry eats puppies!!!!!111

Thursday
Kerry: Y'know, it's funny--
Everyone: Please stop talking.
 
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