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(Wonkette)   How do you know the Administration is preparing for Democratic control of the House and Senate? The shredding trucks visiting Dick Cheney's house   (crooksandliars.com) divider line 451
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2006-10-31 03:36:00 PM
More_Like_A_Stain: uh...sorry if anything splashed on your shoes

Like what? My farking SOUL!?
 
2006-10-31 03:36:56 PM
Cheney is like a movie character that starts out good & then surprisingly is revealed to be the bad guy.

Except this time it's real.

And it effects everyone.

In a bad way.
 
2006-10-31 03:37:38 PM
I was unaware of Kerry's moronic comments until I read this thread. Since I don't (for some curious reason) see a thread regarding Kerry's idiocy, this seems like a good place to post. Hey Kerry - you're a liberal prick assmunch. You have no chance at the Presidency, and comments like those you made last night serve only to expeditite your insignificance. Dick Cheney shreds you!
 
2006-10-31 03:37:39 PM
Ah, gotta love the "attack the messenger" stragegy.

Works like a charm every time.
 
2006-10-31 03:38:08 PM
Bhopper Sorry, are you contending that this administration didn't strain to create non-existant ties between AQ and Hussein? Didn't cheery-pick intelligence? Or claim there was (modern) WMD's? The mushroom cloud looming?

let's call my world the real world, mmkay? Guess you "create your own realities" just as this administration said it does.


Well I'm not contending anything that you just said but you said otherthings in the previous post, you said lie first and this one you didn't, why?

I never heard anyone say there was a link or even suggest there was a link between Saddam and Al Quaida.

(modern) LOL, a WMD is a WMD.
 
2006-10-31 03:39:14 PM
Friction8r:

I was unaware of Kerry's moronic comments until I read this thread. Since I don't (for some curious reason) see a thread regarding Kerry's idiocy, this seems like a good place to post. Hey Kerry - you're a liberal prick assmunch. You have no chance at the Presidency, and comments like those you made last night serve only to expeditite your insignificance. Dick Cheney shreds you!

You suck at Fark.

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2384595
 
2006-10-31 03:40:19 PM
This thread is GWB without pics: Cheney is like a movie character that starts out good & then surprisingly is revealed to be the bad guy.

Except this time it's real.

And it effects everyone.

In a bad way.


And except for that whole "Starts out good" part.
 
2006-10-31 03:41:01 PM
LyriCa1z: ROFL, Fark is full of a buttload of farking idiots. I can't wait to see all you idiotic libs crying your eyes out next wednesday. Maybe if you weren't all freeking nuts you'd have a chance at some political success, but nope. get a clue or GTFO!

/MY country MY president


And the "mmm...lead paint chips!" contingent weighs in...
 
2006-10-31 03:41:39 PM
FlashLV: Who took the poll?
http://www.pipa.org/

The Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) studies public opinion on international issues. PIPA is a joint program of the Center on Policy Attitudes (COPA) and the Center for International and Security Studies at Maryland (CISSM), University of Maryland.



Did they call 1000 people randomly and ask what news show they watched?

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102. php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brus

For the entire study of seven polls the total sample was 9,611 respondents, and for the in-depth analysis for the polls conducted June through September the sample was 3,334 respondents. The polls were fielded by Knowledge Networks using its nationwide panel, which is randomly selected from the entire adult population and subsequently provided Internet access. For more information about this methodology, go to www.knowledgenetworks.com/ganp. Funding for this research was provided by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Ford Foundation.
 
2006-10-31 03:44:11 PM
IXI Jim IXI: Like what? My farking SOUL!?

Wow, I didn't realize that my Hurl Fu was so strong. I am truly sorry. I usually only have that effect on women. By the way, you know that W isn't an only child, right? As in, more than once?
 
2006-10-31 03:44:37 PM
pontechango So there you go, it was a poll of what .05% of America? WOW that's scientific.


I have never listened to polls, exit polls were proven wrong in '04 and alot of it had to do with an error they didn't think about, cell phones.

I could come up with a poll about anything and ask 9,000 random people until I get what I want also.
 
2006-10-31 03:44:46 PM
WalkingCarpet You suck at Fark.

Apparently so. I did not see it on main page, but thanks for the link.
 
2006-10-31 03:45:28 PM
More_Like_A_Stain: Wow, I didn't realize that my Hurl Fu was so strong. I am truly sorry. I usually only have that effect on women. By the way, you know that W isn't an only child, right? As in, more than once?

Yeah, but it's the results of that once that I'm concerned about.

Nor do I want to think about Barb naked more than...

huck
huck
huck
huck
BLARF!
 
2006-10-31 03:46:32 PM
FlashLV: I never heard anyone say there was a link or even suggest there was a link between Saddam and Al Quaida.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

Along with the contention that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network; earlier this year, Cheney said evidence of a link was "overwhelming."

[...]

As recently as Monday, Cheney said in a speech that Hussein "had long-established ties with al Qaeda." Bush, asked on Tuesday to verify or qualify that claim, defended it by pointing to Abu Musab Zarqawi, who has taken credit for a wave of attacks in Iraq.


[...]

In late 2001, Cheney said it was "pretty well confirmed" that Sept. 11 mastermind Mohamed Atta met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official before the attacks, in April 2000 in Prague; Cheney later said the meeting could not be proved or disproved.

Bush, in his speech aboard an aircraft carrier on May 1, 2003, asserted: "The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We've removed an ally of al Qaeda and cut off a source of terrorist funding."

In September, Cheney said on NBC's "Meet the Press": "If we're successful in Iraq . . . then we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

Speaking about Iraq's alleged links to al Qaeda and the Sept. 11 attacks, Cheney connected Iraq to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing by saying that newly found Iraqi intelligence files in Baghdad showed that a participant in the bombing returned to Iraq and "probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven." He added: "The Iraqi government or the Iraqi intelligence service had a relationship with al Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the '90s."
 
2006-10-31 03:49:05 PM
Michael Moore has made more pre-tax profit off the Iraq war than Halliburton.
 
2006-10-31 03:50:34 PM
Unexploded_Ordnance: Michael Moore has made more pre-tax profit off the Iraq war than Halliburton.

"This data has been brought to you by the Ministry of Pulling Numbers out of your Ass..."
 
2006-10-31 03:50:45 PM
FlashLV

Well I'm not contending anything that you just said but you said other things in the previous post, you said lie first and this one you didn't, why?

well, this is rather odd. First you say "You can believe that if you like but that never happened" to my original post which was "because they never imagined a President of the United States would spin and lie to them about something so important," but now you say you do not contend that facts were cherry picked, mushroom clouds were threatened on us, etc?

You seem as mixed up as a Logcabin Republican, Flash. I said "lie" originally and not in my second because I have the balls to call it what it was - lying. Not "spin," or "cherry picking," but a lie.

I never heard anyone say there was a link or even suggest there was a link between Saddam and Al Quaida.

Really, that infamous "meeting in Prague" doesn't ring any bells? And here I thought you were someone somewhat knowledgeable about these matters.

(modern) LOL, a WMD is a WMD.

yes but, many of the older ones were made in the good 'ol USA and given to Saddam by the USA and its allies. There's little-acknowledged fact for mouth breathers like Assgasket to chew on for a while...
 
2006-10-31 03:51:57 PM
FlashLV: So there you go, it was a poll of what .05% of America? WOW that's scientific.

If a survey uses random sampling and a large enough sample size, it is perfectly scientific. Sorry to hear about your innumeracy.
 
2006-10-31 03:53:52 PM
President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network

You bring up stuff that has already been disproven on Fark. Bush never linked them. Plain and simple.
 
2006-10-31 03:54:42 PM
Sorry to hear about your innumeracy.


LOL
 
2006-10-31 03:56:40 PM
FlashLV: You bring up stuff that has already been disproven on Fark

2006-10-31 03:46:32 PM pontechango
 
2006-10-31 03:57:29 PM
2006-10-31 03:49:05 PM Unexploded_Ordnance


Michael Moore has made more pre-tax profit off the Iraq war than Halliburton.
==========================================

Link?? Why do you all pull this stuff out of your ass. You KNOW you've never seen proof of this ridiculous assertion. BTW, I'm an accountant for a defense contractor that is not as large as Halliburton and I can assure you that Michael Moore couldn't even match our profits from last Qtr.
 
2006-10-31 03:57:52 PM
pontechango No matter how many times you try to justify a poll for me I'm not going to go along with it because it is 100% possible but not likely to poll 1000 people and get the same answer on any issue.

Why do polls have margins for error if they are so good?
 
2006-10-31 03:59:39 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND is getting a kick out of Unexploded_Ordnance's replies.
 
2006-10-31 04:03:43 PM
I don't see anything in the mainstream showing 300 though :shrug:
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Yet you believe one left wing source? :shrug:

the BBC a left wing source?
 
2006-10-31 04:04:10 PM
FlashLV: Why do polls have margins for error if they are so good?

If polls had a 99% margin of error they would be useless. But statistics show that even a random sampling of 1000 people can be quite accurate. Look at polling data from the last election - they were pretty accurate. Take a note of the polls the night before the elections next week then look at the final results - bet a lot of them are within the margin of error. The parties wouldn't be paying a shiatload of money for polling data if they thought that even small sample sizes were worthless.
 
2006-10-31 04:05:55 PM
FlashLV Why do polls have margins for error if they are so good?

Wow. I've taught failing high school students who have had a better grounding in math than you. Polls have margins of error because they are statistical generalizations. You've made it perfectly clear that you don't understand sample size and randomization.


it is 100% possible but not likely to poll 1000 people and get the same answer on any issue.

100% possible = not likely??? What?

Umm... and, no, I'd say that the odds are about 99.99999999999% against RANDOMLY sampling 1000 people and getting the same answer to the questions that were asked in that survey.
 
2006-10-31 04:06:52 PM
2006-10-31 03:49:05 PM Unexploded_Ordnance
Michael Moore has made more pre-tax profit off the Iraq war than Halliburton.

-----------------------

Hilarious point there! What's even funnier is how DROxINxTHExWIND took you seriously and freaked out. I guess he doesn't quiet understand that just because someone profits from the war doesn't necessarily mean they started the war.
 
2006-10-31 04:07:57 PM
www.pritchettcartoons.com
 
2006-10-31 04:08:17 PM
jerry2a Sorry to break it to you but all polls are BS. Look at exit polls that showed Kerry winning even with the errors counted for.

The exit polls weren't even CLOSE to what the actual outcomes were.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22188-2005Jan19.html
 
2006-10-31 04:09:05 PM
Never thought this would be greenlighted, let alone lead to a 380+ post flamewar.

You just never can tell.
 
2006-10-31 04:10:39 PM
pontechango

100% possible = not likely??? What?

Sorry should have said possibl and left the 100% off.

Read the link below.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A22188-2005Jan19.html
 
2006-10-31 04:11:47 PM
FlashLV: Sorry to break it to you but all polls are BS. Look at exit polls that showed Kerry winning even with the errors counted for.

Sorry to break it to YOU but BOTH political parties as well as most statisticians disagree. Based on your logic, vegetables are very bad for you because some people got really sick from eating spinach this year. One bad poll does not immediately invalidate every other one. Once again it comes down to statistics...and statistically speaking, ON AVERAGE polls tend to be very accurate.
 
2006-10-31 04:12:40 PM
Ahh.. here's the page that I was looking for.

http://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm

With a population the size of 300 million.

A sample size of 3,334

and a confidence level of 99%

The margin of error for that survey is +/- 2%

That's a pretty good survey.
 
2006-10-31 04:16:56 PM
jerry2a Maybe you lack the ability to comprehend the words I type.

I believe that polls are BS, if I think that, then nothing your simple mind types will make me agree with you that polls are a good way to measure anything.

On average when I am asked to take a poll I LIE. My wife lies on them, heck most people I know LIE or exaggerate their answers.

All polls are what they are, a guage on the people they asked and not generally what I think or what others think.
 
2006-10-31 04:17:18 PM
FlashLV: Because I don't believe or like polls I'm an idiot? You are the IDIOT for blindly believing them.

You're not just disbelieving in polls, you're arguing against basic statistics. I think they might even test at that level in the SAT now. I'll take a wild guess and venture that you're not a math major. Have you thought about a career in the arts?
 
2006-10-31 04:17:23 PM
FlashLV: heap Because I don't believe or like polls I'm an idiot?

nope.

Why do polls have margins for error if they are so good?

That
makes you an idiot.
 
2006-10-31 04:18:43 PM
Teelot

the BBC a left wing source?

I read that as "the BBQ a left wing sauce?" and it got me thinking of buffalo wings....mmmm.
 
2006-10-31 04:20:58 PM
FlashLV: On average when I am asked to take a poll I LIE. My wife lies on them, heck most people I know LIE or exaggerate their answers.

Awesome, now let's check the sample size of your data!

With a population the size of 300 million,

a sample size of 2,

and a confidence level of 99%,

the margin of error for that survey is +/- 91%

That's a really bad survey.
 
2006-10-31 04:21:34 PM
pontechango Statistics is a bunch of crap anyways.

The only classes I got the best grades were in Math until statistics.

heap That makes you an idiot.

And that makes you an arsehole!
 
2006-10-31 04:24:50 PM
FlashLV: I never heard anyone say there was a link or even suggest there was a link between Saddam and Al Quaida.


'nuff
 
2006-10-31 04:25:09 PM
pontechango

What if the 2 people polled lied. Then the actual margin of error would be 100%, no? Wouldn't that mean that the margin of error was off by +/-9%?

Wow that is really a bad survey.
 
2006-10-31 04:25:32 PM
FlashLV: And that makes you an arsehole!

absolutely. my inner asshole delights at poking morons with a stick.

poke-poke.

Statistics is a bunch of crap anyways.
The only classes I got the best grades were in Math until statistics.


now there's a shock. a grammatical train wreck, but a shocking surprise, none the less.
 
2006-10-31 04:26:03 PM
pontechango back to your original point, what was the margin of error on the "poll" you originally posted.
 
2006-10-31 04:26:41 PM
FlashLV: I believe that polls are BS, if I think that, then nothing your simple mind types will make me agree with you that polls are a good way to measure anything.
On average when I am asked to take a poll I LIE. My wife lies on them, heck most people I know LIE or exaggerate their answers.


I guess you don't fly very much. I for one don't feel safe flying. But if I were to argue that statistically speaking air travel wasn't safe, I'd be a dumbass. You've offered no statistical evidence that polls are meaningless and the only thing you've proven is that you (and your wife) are liars. So by definition, I say that you actually DO believe in polls and you're simply lying when you say you don't.
 
2006-10-31 04:27:17 PM
heap oh my gosh I thought this was a forum and not an essay graded to grammar.
 
2006-10-31 04:28:04 PM
FlashLV What if the 2 people polled lied. Then the actual margin of error would be 100%, no?

If that's your argument, why do you think Fox News watchers would lie in signficantly large numbers about whether Iraq had WMD and links to Al Qaeda?
 
2006-10-31 04:29:16 PM
FlashLV: oh my gosh I thought this was a forum and not an essay graded to grammar.

naw, just reaffirming your point. i'm sure only english was score good you don't. stats lie! stats lie!
 
2006-10-31 04:29:57 PM
pontechango: If that's your argument, why do you think Fox News watchers would lie in signficantly large numbers about whether Iraq had WMD and links to Al Qaeda?

because his wife lies.

duh!
 
2006-10-31 04:30:00 PM
FlashLV: back to your original point, what was the margin of error on the "poll" you originally posted.

2006-10-31 04:12:40 PM pontechango

Apparently, literacy isn't your thing either.
 
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