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(Scotsman)   The war in Iraq is not a disaster, but the beginning of the fulfilment of biblical prophecies that culminate, possibly very soon, in a mighty struggle between good and evil at Armageddon. Here comes the science   (news.scotsman.com) divider line 301
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2006-10-29 09:33:41 PM  
"Self-fulfilling prophecies" for... $400, Alex.
 
2006-10-29 09:38:19 PM  
Can we please just secede from Jesusland and join Canada?

Failing that, I'd settle for nuking Texas.
 
2006-10-29 09:39:59 PM  
Honestly if the "Christians" like the fundie nutcases in the article are God's chosen I'll take my chances with Satan.
 
Cog
2006-10-29 09:40:25 PM  
Using "biblical prophesy" and "science" in that way requires a dumbass tag.
 
2006-10-29 09:42:24 PM  
Well the 12th Imam can bench press over 300 pounds. 300 pounds! I mean, wow.

And plus, I hear he's been working out overtime in order to be strong enough to get past the metal bars they constructed around the well he's supposed to come out of.
 
2006-10-29 09:45:19 PM  
Okay... not to threadjack here, but...

We're in a freakin' goddammm mess.

We shouldn't have gone in there. Everybody told the Texas dumbass we shouldn't have gone in there, and the Texas dumbass and his arrogant buddies need to go to jail, go directly to jail, for their little Office of Special Plans snow job that put us in there.

Having said that....

At this point we have two choices... pull out, or:

...put three time more troops in there and FINALLY give the Powell Doctrine some proper support.

The risk of pulling out now is that we send the message that we can be beaten, which is pretty much what happened in Somalia... and you can draw a line from our pull-out of Somalia more or less directly to 9/11.

I hate to agree with George W. Putz, but maybe we should re-double our effort, subjugate Iraq completely - just farking overwhelm them, and install a puppet regime that actually places a solid, real emphasis on human rights. Keep that regime in place for 5 years or so - long enough for RJ Reynolds, Coca-Cola and Hugh Hefner to get a foothold in the culture - and we win.
 
2006-10-29 09:47:27 PM  
2006-10-29 09:42:24 PM Persepolis
Well the 12th Imam can bench press over 300 pounds. 300 pounds! I mean, wow.


Pfft. Alexsey Vayner can do that... AND serve a tennis ball at 140mph... AND break a stack of bricks with his bare hands.
 
2006-10-29 09:49:21 PM  
Like we need any more crazy fuel on this loony pyre.
 
2006-10-29 09:49:31 PM  
I just love how I can find myself getting killed over these fark-ups and their goddamned religion.
 
2006-10-29 09:49:32 PM  
KazamaSmokers: Pfft. Alexsey Vayner can do that... AND serve a tennis ball at 140mph... AND break a stack of bricks with his bare hands.

Hah. I wonder what happened to his job search after that.
 
2006-10-29 09:50:53 PM  
TFA
Another follower, teacher Patrick Hewitt, said the pastor will shortly post instructions, on his website on how parishioners should cast their ballots for the mid-term elections. "I'm going to vote the way he tells me," he said.

Perhaps Cornerstone Church should have their tax exempt status reviewed by the IRS.

I think if I had the option of going back in time and killing any one historical figure I think I'd probably put a bullet in John's head before he wrote the book of Revelation. It would be a real toss up between Saul on the road to Damascus and John. Saul perverted the message of Jesus and hijacked the early movement but John wrote that final chapter which has turned so many branches of Christianity into a death cult.
 
2006-10-29 09:54:19 PM  
So, does this mean that Dubya is an instrument of God?

/or just a tool
 
2006-10-29 09:57:31 PM  
redoctober65: So, does this mean that Dubya is an instrument of God?

He's God's strap-on and the Allmighty ain't using lube.

People who not only insist on predicting but actually look forward to the end of the world need to STFU and kill themselves already. The world will end when the sun goes nova, not before.
 
2006-10-29 09:58:14 PM  
These same idiots claimed the same thing during the Gulf War. It's what happens when you watch too much of the Van Impes.
 
2006-10-29 09:59:05 PM  
equilibrium -

But Clinton.

/felt so right
 
2006-10-29 10:03:37 PM  
I do wish those wackjobs would leave me and my rational brethren out of their morbid fantasy/fairytale.
 
2006-10-29 10:05:40 PM  
boy, is this guy going to feel foolish..
 
2006-10-29 10:06:12 PM  
The idea of people voting exactly as their religious leader tells them to seems so damn un-American, it makes me sick. Someone needs to hack the shiat out of their web site and replace it with, for example, this.
 
2006-10-29 10:09:30 PM  
I dunno...Rapture and Armageddon and Antichrist talk is just so 1982.
 
2006-10-29 10:13:33 PM  
Fascists masquerading as Christians. Non-story.
 
2006-10-29 10:21:33 PM  
i do not agree with john hagees whoring for 'israel' at the expense of american blood.

he should be ashamed, imo.
 
2006-10-29 10:28:55 PM  
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I think Mr. Dawkins has a valid point or two in his latest book.

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This is terrible. There are millions and millions of Americans who believe this dangerous nonsense. What's extra terrifying is an awful lot of them are politically involved and even manage to get elected to national office.

And you can FORGET about reasoning with these people-- Most are "True Believers" and therefore completely immune to all reason, evidence, and logic.

A Democratic Republic such as ours only works when the voting population is well informed and open to reason.

We may be in big trouble.
 
2006-10-29 10:33:15 PM  
Riche: We may be in big trouble.

may be?

You're definitely an optimist.
 
2006-10-29 10:36:38 PM  
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2006-10-29 11:10:45 PM  
Riche And you can FORGET about reasoning with these people-- Most are "True Believers" and therefore completely immune to all reason, evidence, and logic.

A Democratic Republic such as ours only works when the voting population is well informed and open to reason.


The exact same statement can be said by the believers about the non-believers. Reason, evidence, and logic are all relative. What you may perceive as evidence and logical may differ from what someone else perceives.

And regarding the "working Democratic Republic only working will a well informed population", one could argue that the information they receive may be incorrect. Do you believe everything you read and hear in the mainstream media? If you say "no", remember, that is what you call "information". If you are going to use the term "well informed population", that information should come from various sources.

In the case of this pastor, I will agree that he has no business telling people how to vote and that goes against his 501(3)(c) tax exempt status. He has zero business being specific about certain political races. He does, however, have the right to express his general views.

Now, those of you that haven't stepped into a church since you were kids really have no right to crtizice those of us that do go to church. You also cannot call us "loons", "nutcases", etc. We believe something different that what you believe. Most of us think that people like Pat Robertson and others on TV have serious mental defects, but we don't feel that way about our pastor. We don't all have radical views like some people (I compare fundamentalist Christians to their Islamic counterparts - totally out of line), so don't put us all in the same barrel. Not all Christians are fundies, although I don't think, based on what I read in this article, that this guy falls into the fundie category.

Finally, before I get attacked by all sides, please take a minute to read "My Rules of Engagement".
 
2006-10-29 11:11:35 PM  
I'm the Kwisatz Haderach.
 
2006-10-29 11:23:53 PM  
This same chiliastic fervor, and the same sort of idiots who propound it, has been part of the millenarian ideology since before Constantine converted. Unfortunately, we're living in an era when there is a government that seems to be ideally suited to both fulfill those tendencies, and to believe they should.

Like most everything else associated with the Bush regime, this pastor and his ilk are following the trail of money--in fact, the "megachurches" and their attendees probably aren't what we need to worry about. It's the thousands of smaller churches with no media coverage who have been promulgating this sort of retardation for decades.

We are, indeed, in big trouble, and CheekyMunky's photo of a church marquee is pretty much de rigueur for the evangelicals, many of the so-called "moderate" Baptists, and much of the other American sects who don't usually fall into the wacko cabal.

Please get off your ass and vote.
 
2006-10-29 11:27:53 PM  
superdolfan1

The exact same statement can be said by the believers about the non-believers. Reason, evidence, and logic are all relative. What you may perceive as evidence and logical may differ from what someone else perceives.

I'm sorry, but reason is relative? What ass did you pull that out of? Comprehension of reason is relative - but reason is not.
 
2006-10-29 11:45:09 PM  
jghanc We are, indeed, in big trouble, and CheekyMunky's photo of a church marquee is pretty much de rigueur for the evangelicals, many of the so-called "moderate" Baptists, and much of the other American sects who don't usually fall into the wacko cabal.

The sign, in case you didn't read the watermark, is made up, like this one:

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EzraS I'm sorry, but reason is relative? What ass did you pull that out of? Comprehension of reason is relative - but reason is not.

Reason is relative. What you may find "reasonable" I may not find "reasonable", thus it is relative to the person making the decision. And if you do enjoy debating, using phrases like "what ass did you pull that out of", then you have some serious learning to do.

/Sun Tsu has never been wrong
 
2006-10-29 11:54:11 PM  
superdolfan1

Reason is not the same as 'reasonable'. I don't know how you expect to talk about these sort of things when you don't want to use any sort of precision of language.

Reason is math, reason is logic, reason is a set of universal rules that can be used to determine facts about the universe. If reason was relative, science and math would be impossible since we could never infer about the future from our experiences. In fact, reality itself would not be possible if reason was 'relative'.

Reason is relative. What you may find "reasonable" I may not find "reasonable", thus it is relative to the person making the decision. And if you do enjoy debating, using phrases like "what ass did you pull that out of", then you have some serious learning to do.

What you are talking about is not reason - its about peoples judgments about things. Of course people disagree about 'reasonable' - but this is because they have opposing motives or because they are stupid. This has nothing to do with reason itself being 'relative'.

And arguing on Fark isnt debating. Ain't no judges here.
 
2006-10-30 12:00:10 AM  
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By SARA LUBBES
LAKELAND -- Flanked by a banner that reads "Israel shall stand forever," Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein sings a song in a rousing mix of Hebrew and English.

U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris is on her feet, stomping and clapping to the beat from her place on the stage.

The predominately Christian audience waves its arms to the music as Eckstein, the founder of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, praises Israel.

Next, Harris gets her turn.

"Nothing that we believe in the world would exist without you," she says to Jewish leaders in the crowd. "We're all sort of Jewish wannabes."

The event last Thursday, sponsored by Tampa's Pentecostal Without Walls church, was not on Harris' Senate campaign press schedule. Spokesmen said the media were not invited.

The Longboat Key congresswoman's presence in Lakeland -- surrounded by people of faith, tucked away from the cameras and the media frenzy -- provides a window into Harris' Senate campaign, but also into a subculture of voters likely to be drawn to her conservative message.

Here at the small town's convention center, the audience doesn't care about Harris' struggles in the polls or the fact that she only has $1 million left to spend on her campaign.

Here, Harris doesn't talk about the Iraq war, oil drilling off Florida's coast or whether Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson, her opponent, is too liberal.

Instead, she focuses on her love of God and gets her message out to hundreds of people without ever mentioning one line from her campaign speech.

Jews "are the chosen people," she tells the crowd, to uproarious applause and whistles. "You are the apple of God's eye."

The crowd of more than 1,000 people is part of a movement that believes Jews play a key role in the fate of Christians.

For them, the Rapture -- a miraculous event where Jesus Christ resurrects the dead and sweeps his loyal followers from the Earth -- depends on a complete restoration of the nation of Israel, including the rebuilding of the Temple on the Mount and the reclaiming of all the holy lands.

Some believe the Rapture is coming any day now.

The movement has led to a unique marriage between Christian evangelicals, the Republican Party and pro-Israeli groups across the country.

But it has also drawn criticism from some Jewish leaders who fear it provides Christians with an outlet to convert Jews.

"It's a problem to many in the Jewish community," said Kenneth Wald, a distinguished professor of political science at the University of Florida and former head of the Center for Jewish Studies. "They are only seen as a bit player in the larger Christian destiny."

But for Harris, it might be a smart campaign stop, experts say.

All signs indicate that Harris needs all the votes she can get, and she's always been popular with conservative Christians, said Aubrey Jewett, associate professor of political science at the University of Central Florida.

Harris' campaign is low on cash and struggling to get voters' attention without having to pay for expensive statewide television ads.

She has been largely abandoned by GOP leaders. While President Bush and first lady Laura Bush made visits to Sarasota, Harris was nowhere to be found at either event.

Targeting the evangelical Christian community is nothing new for Republicans.

But Harris' effort is especially relevant in this campaign season, where episodes such as the Mark Foley e-mail scandal threaten to scare some Christian voters from the polls. The effort could translate into more votes for Harris, Jewett said.

"It makes sense for her," he said.

"Signs are suggesting the Republicans can't just take for granted the evangelical voters this year."

Harris used her time in front of the Without Walls congregation Thursday to praise the Israeli technology her family used in citrus groves to preserve crops.

"We have to stand with Israel," she said. "Our futures are linked."

She also condemned the United Nations for its failure to take stronger action when the terrorist organization Hezbollah attacked Israel this year.

"The United Nations should be held to account for its anti-Semitism," she said.

When Harris wrapped up, Without Walls pastor Scott Thomas, organizer of the event, reminded his followers to vote for her in November.

Harris' campaign would not comment on whether she subscribes to the idea of the Rapture.

Harris' team also brushes off criticism that she is not reaching out to a diverse group of voters by meeting with mostly Republican and religious groups.

What's more, many of her events -- including meetings with church groups and Mosaic phosphate mining executives -- have been closed to the public and not on her press schedule at all.

Spokeswoman Jennifer Marks said the campaign simply has a policy to keep some events private, especially because Harris feels she has been treated unfairly by the media in the past.

"It's kind of silly to criticize her for talking to those groups," Marks said.

"There's just an effort to get out the base."

 
2006-10-30 12:01:19 AM  
EzraS: And arguing on Fark isnt debating. Ain't no judges here.

I've always considered whoever is reading fark to be a judge for themselves. Just because some third party doesn't assigns you points doesn't make fark's exchange of ideas and views any less of a debate in my book.

Of course, thats up for debate.
 
2006-10-30 12:03:31 AM  
EzraS:
I think our definition of "reason" differs. Mine is the first, yours the fourth:

noun
The basis or motive for an action, decision, or conviction.

A declaration made to explain or justify action, decision, or conviction: inquired about her reason for leaving.

An underlying fact or cause that provides logical sense for a premise or occurrence: There is reason to believe that the accused did not commit this crime.

The capacity for logical, rational, and analytic thought; intelligence.

Good judgment; sound sense.

A normal mental state; sanity: He has lost his reason.

Logic A premise, usually the minor premise, of an argument.

In these definitions, both of ours are included.

And arguing on Fark isnt debating. Ain't no judges here.

Incorrect. We are the judges.
 
2006-10-30 12:04:57 AM  
Expanding on that point, because I'm bored:

Two people disagreeing on something has nothing to do with its truth. We could disagree on whether the sky is blue - but that doesnt change that it is. Simple observation and shared definitions of terms are used to prove that. As our proofs get more complicated - geometry, calculus, geography, physics, cosmology, etc, people obviously get lost. Its harder to show someone that through reason we came to this conclusion, because many people simply cant understand it or dont have the background knowledge to grasp it.

But that doesnt change reason itself, obviously. The people we are discussing - those 25% of americans who identify as evangelical - are oppposed to reason because reason has produced conclusions that oppose their beliefs. They don't give a damn about what was used to understand evolution, cosmology, and human sexuality - they just care about the results. Saying that reason is relative because these people disagree about the products of reason is ridiculous. No one is opposed to reason - they are just opposed to its results, since they care far more about who their peers are than they do about the process of reason and science.
 
2006-10-30 12:10:03 AM  
Just ran into this

64 Failed End-Of-The-World Predictions Before 1990
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/going home
 
2006-10-30 12:12:30 AM  
Superdolfan1

In these definitions, both of ours are included.

*sigh*

Congratulations on using dictionary.com. Now, the way we were originally using reason in this thread was not "The basis or motive for an action, decision, or conviction." or any of the variations on that theme. Its rather mindbogglingly obvious to state that people disagree about what should be done and why, isn't it? I disagree with my landlord about how soon he should fix my fridge. We have different reasons for believing our respective beliefs. This does not mean that my landlord and I are representative of a grand battle between reason and faith and it does not mean that reason is 'relative'. Our reasons are both perfectly valid (He's lazy, I'd like to open my fridge and not have the door fall of), but this isnt the source of our dispute - our individual motives are. This has nothing to do with reason at all.

What we were talking about is the fact that these people seem to refute reason and its conclusions (mostly scientific) on a large scale. Thats what I'm discussing, and thats what actually matters in this discussion.
 
2006-10-30 12:18:00 AM  
Persepolis

Heh, I guess. My point is that since the majority of people on Fark (and on the net) are semi-retarded marsupials, saying 'whose ass did you pull that out of' will probably do more in support of my case than against it.
 
2006-10-30 12:19:25 AM  
EzraS: Heh, I guess. My point is that since the majority of people on Fark (and on the net) are semi-retarded marsupials, saying 'whose ass did you pull that out of' will probably do more in support of my case than against it.

Pft. whoes ass did you pull that out of?

/well I'll be damned.
 
2006-10-30 12:20:18 AM  
superdolfan1
The sign, in case you didn't read the watermark, is made up, like this one

I didn't read the watermark, because the sign was pretty believable, and pretty tame, compared to what I see daily. For example, see Pensacola's "Bible Baptist Church":

http://www.kjv1611.org/

"Dr" Ruckman and his acolytes are endemic in the Gulf Coast area. Further away, you can find as many examples at Bob Jones University in Greenville, SC.

Concerning your statements about "reason" and "logic"--I really don't know what to say. If you make up a definition of "reason", "logic", and "evidence" to suit yourself like you'd pick out your socks, then you'll be right every time.

I hope the rapture works out for you. God knows heaven needs more moderate Christians who confuse "reason" and "reasonable".
 
2006-10-30 12:48:37 AM  
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2006-10-30 01:13:19 AM  
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I really do. I really, really, really do. But as of late, the more I think about it, the less things make sense, the fewer reasons there are to believe. At all.

As someone said, a religion that can be believed on faith alone can just as easily be dismissed on faith alone.

I know you think that's stupid, but I don't care.
 
2006-10-30 01:33:17 AM  
superdolfan1: The sign, in case you didn't read the watermark, is made up, like this one:

No it's not. That's from the "Real Signs" section of the site.

It's the real deal, I'm afraid.
 
2006-10-30 01:34:59 AM  
The link for you. Second one down on the left.
 
2006-10-30 01:39:14 AM  
Have another one.

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2006-10-30 01:57:01 AM  
thejoyofpi: Can we please just secede from Jesusland and join Canada?

I see you're one of those who didn't realize that America is not Red and Blue, but Purple all over?

Party Boy: "Nothing that we believe in the world would exist without you," she says to Jewish leaders in the crowd. "We're all sort of Jewish wannabes."

Yeah, yeah. Martin Luther was saying "Let's treat the Jews with respect!". Then, when the Jews still rejected JC, he became one of the biggest anti-semites of Europe.
 
2006-10-30 03:22:32 AM  
So the world is gonna end? Crap. Gotta schedule it in before the end of the Mayan Calendar and some crazy astrologers end of the world. Don't want to be caught off guard.
 
2006-10-30 04:16:18 AM  
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2006-10-30 06:15:58 AM  
"We believe something different that what you believe. Most of us think that people like Pat Robertson and others on TV have serious mental defects, but we don't feel that way about our pastor. "

So, everything is relative, and I believe what I want, and if I don't like the conclusion I get from "facts" that's just becasue all exisitence is relative and there is no such thing as "truth" or "facts"? And, I guess, therefore, "good and evil"?

Isn't that your whole argument?
 
2006-10-30 06:22:11 AM  
God forbid that any of the fundamentalists ever gets their hands on any WMD's...

Wait, what?
 
2006-10-30 06:22:15 AM  
Hey, look, there's a war in the Middle East...and hey, over there our government is behaving incompetently...such things are so rare that they must surely be the herald of the apocalypse.
 
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