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(Independent)   US Missile Defense Agency unveils a 747 with frikkin' lasers strapped to its frikkin' head   (news.independent.co.uk) divider line 181
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2006-10-29 04:13:00 PM
Not particularly effective against an insurgency
 
2006-10-29 04:39:14 PM
General Henry "Trey" Obering III,evoked the Jedi Knights vs Evil Empire saga. "

Have these guys even watched Star Wars? Which side was the ragtag band of rebels and which one had the giant battle platforms that shot lasers?

Yeah, it's cool, but these guys need to think before they speak.
 
2006-10-29 04:51:50 PM
Pictures? Thread? Useless? Without?

Heck, if you're gonna talk about an ugly airplane, I gotta see the ugly airplane.

Oh, and and what ^^^^^^^said.
 
2006-10-29 06:06:15 PM
What, this schtick again?

It'll never acheive any measure of success. Any atmospheric turbulence is going to kill the effectiveness of the laser; it'll be utterly ineffective against any non-ballistic missiles; it'll be a big freakin' sitting duck just waiting to be shot down.

Do not want.
 
2006-10-29 06:11:41 PM
www.airforce-technology.com
 
2006-10-29 06:11:55 PM
Tabatha Static: Not particularly effective against an insurgency

All your retinas are belong to us.
 
2006-10-29 06:11:58 PM
pfffft

I wonder what range it can do it at? Anyone?
 
2006-10-29 06:12:42 PM
If only they had consulted the collective military genius of muninsfire and Fark before they built it.

I only wish that the American left would say "It'll never acheive any measure of success" when it comes to flushing trillions of $$$ down the toilet in the "war on poverty" (laff).
 
2006-10-29 06:12:44 PM
vertigo32: General Henry "Trey" Obering III,evoked the Jedi Knights vs Evil Empire saga. "

Have these guys even watched Star Wars? Which side was the ragtag band of rebels and which one had the giant battle platforms that shot lasers?

Yeah, it's cool, but these guys need to think before they speak.


Dammit. Now I need to go watch TESB again. ARGH.
 
2006-10-29 06:12:46 PM
durka_durka_ilovejews: Pictures? Thread? Useless? Without?

Yo
 
2006-10-29 06:13:20 PM
www.pjbstudios.com
 
2006-10-29 06:13:35 PM
www.strk3.com
 
2006-10-29 06:13:54 PM
I think we allready used it against the Taep Dong II missile from DPRK that "failed"

I mean it would have been exactly what it was designed for, including clandestinly manufacturing accidents.
 
2006-10-29 06:13:59 PM
I was going to cue the armchair weapons analysts, but they are too quick for me...
 
2006-10-29 06:14:19 PM
All I want is boeing jets with friggin' lasers on their heads.
 
2006-10-29 06:14:30 PM
Dave L: I wonder what range it can do it at? Anyone?

Tried looking that up. Classified.
 
2006-10-29 06:14:41 PM
who still has icbm's anyway? russia? cuba?

waste o' cash.
 
2006-10-29 06:14:53 PM
www.tomgpalmer.com

Oh, no, TEAM AMERICA!

Congrats. Shoot down all their frickin' missiles.
 
2006-10-29 06:16:34 PM
"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. "
 
2006-10-29 06:17:05 PM
www.apexpredators.com

/Not amused.
 
2006-10-29 06:17:21 PM
vwfst55: Tried looking that up. Classified.

Wikipedia says 300 kilometers.
 
2006-10-29 06:17:59 PM
im drunk!
 
2006-10-29 06:18:13 PM
Sure, it's cool, but how many nations have ICBMs poised and ready to launch at us? This just kinda seems like it would have been a whole lot more usefull during the cold war. Nowadays it looks like the wrong tool for the job. A neat idea that is well past its prime.
 
2006-10-29 06:18:15 PM
Most likely been out for long time. Your just now hearing about it.
/ Power Rangers activate !!
 
2006-10-29 06:19:15 PM
muninsfire: Any atmospheric turbulence is going to kill the effectiveness of the laser;


I think the idea is to get as high as you can fly it and shoot at ballistic missiles at the top of their boost phase.

it'll be utterly ineffective against any non-ballistic missiles

Why do you think? If you were shooting down from 35000 feet, you should be able to screw up anything you can see, it has a LOT of energy. Of course, clouds, fog, etc are the usual bugaboos. I don't really think they intended it for this use though. It's a boost-phase ABM weapon, pure and simple.

it'll be a big freakin' sitting duck just waiting to be shot down.

There is that. Though, I'd have to assume it can use the laser to defend itself. Is it ok to blind a pilot that's attacking you?

I really see this as pure research for a bigger program that's got a ways to go. Sometimes you continue old projects that are superceded just to get data you don't have. If it's useful in itself, that's gravy.

I'm sort of surprised it's news, though, it's been all over the water cooler for months. Hey, my input is that it gets a couple of tests. If it fails twice, they cut it. Officially. Unofficially, it'll end up being a 'what does laser power density x do to a missile' test stand. Watch for it.
 
2006-10-29 06:20:38 PM
Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Sure, it's cool, but how many nations have ICBMs poised and ready to launch at us?

It's not designed for ICBMs. It's intended to be used against theater ballistic missiles, like Scuds.
 
2006-10-29 06:21:23 PM
REDARMYVODKA: who still has icbm's anyway? russia? cuba?

Did I just read that??
 
2006-10-29 06:21:46 PM
B..bu..but it's gonna be a waste o money.
 
2006-10-29 06:22:30 PM
erewhon: Is it ok to blind a pilot that's attacking you?

Is it OK to burn a hole through his wing?
 
2006-10-29 06:22:53 PM
wotnartd: im drunk!

Good for you!
 
2006-10-29 06:22:58 PM
And besides that, how much time do you have from the moment we detect a launch to the time it touches down? Is that enough time to move a lumbering 747 into range to shoot it down? Are we just going to have it on standbye at all time? Are they going to be up in the air all the time? How much does that cost? Can it hit a missile when it's on the way back down (and, I would assume, moving much faster) or can it only hit when it's leaving the atmosphere? How would you get the plane there in that time?

Too many questions for such an outdated concept.
 
2006-10-29 06:23:05 PM
FuturePastNow: Wikipedia says 300 kilometers

That is probably an official estimate. The range is not listed at Boeing website, the defense department, or Northrop Grumman. Max effective range is usually classified. The max ceiling of the SR-71 was classified for many years while those birds were flying. I see no reason why they would advertise the range.
 
2006-10-29 06:23:11 PM
What a breathtaking waste of money.
 
2006-10-29 06:24:06 PM
FuturePastNow

Ah, can scuds carry nuclear warheads, or am I just thinking about this all wrong and it's a purely anti-missile aircraft?
 
2006-10-29 06:24:49 PM
erewhon: I'm sort of surprised it's news, though, it's been all over the water cooler for months. Hey, my input is that it gets a couple of tests. If it fails twice, they cut it. Officially. Unofficially, it'll end up being a 'what does laser power density x do to a missile' test stand. Watch for it.

*chuckles* Like the Osprey? Pork barrel projects at their best.
 
2006-10-29 06:26:00 PM
Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Ah, can scuds carry nuclear warheads, or am I just thinking about this all wrong and it's a purely anti-missile aircraft?

It's supposed to shoot down the missiles during their boost phase, so whatever they're carrying will fall on the country that launched them.

Punch a wee little hole through thin aluminum and ignite the fuel. Pop.
 
2006-10-29 06:26:11 PM
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2006-10-29 06:26:42 PM
"vwfst55: Tried looking that up. Classified.
Wikipedia says 300 kilometers."

Mmm better than I expected, starting to be useful at that range.
 
2006-10-29 06:26:50 PM
I went back and re-read the article, and it uses language that makes me assume this is part of the old Star Wars anti-ICBM program. I'm confused. What's this for?
 
2006-10-29 06:27:06 PM
they announced an aircraft that's been under testing for a while is going into testing. kudos
 
2006-10-29 06:27:17 PM
indenture: Is it OK to burn a hole through his wing?


You can blind a lot more pilots per unit time than you can drill through wings.

At any rate, you wouldn't take the time. If it's a supersonic fighter, you knock baseball sized dents in the wings and let it rip itself to pieces. That's a lot more efficient in terms of power than melting or drilling holes. It's a little harder to pull off in terms of beam dynamics.
 
2006-10-29 06:28:15 PM
It's supposed to shoot down the missiles during their boost phase, so whatever they're carrying will fall on the country that launched them

Okay, so how do we make sure a big ole slow ass 747 can get to the missile in time to do that? Do we just keep them flying all the time?
 
2006-10-29 06:28:49 PM
ooo!
 
2006-10-29 06:31:07 PM
oh yea, regarding the physics expert saying the laser doesn't work due to issues in the atmosphere...you sir, are right but the problem has been solved. The plane uses a mirror that contours itself and results in a laser that can penetrate a turbulent atmosphere. I'm not sure what the range is, surely not hundreds of miles but it is effective enough to work.
 
2006-10-29 06:31:12 PM
"Jesus has told me that this is what he would want!"

justdontgo.org
 
2006-10-29 06:31:24 PM
Well, as long as the enemy are so good as to put GPS transponders in their missiles and refrain from launching in bad weather everything's just fine and dandy.
 
2006-10-29 06:32:22 PM
Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Okay, so how do we make sure a big ole slow ass 747 can get to the missile in time to do that? Do we just keep them flying all the time?

Heh. Sounds funny doesn't it? The official dope is, yes, you keep them on station where you think something's going to happen, like in the Sea of Japan or whatnot. Sort of like ELINT planes.
 
2006-10-29 06:33:10 PM
Bon_Scott: "Jesus has told me that this is what he would want!"


Let there be light.
 
2006-10-29 06:34:18 PM
vertigo32

Have these guys even watched Star Wars? Which side was the ragtag band of rebels and which one had the giant battle platforms that shot lasers?

Yeah, it's cool, but these guys need to think before they speak.



The reason Empire lost was because the powers of Force shifted in Rebellion's favor when the Emperor was killed.

So as long as G.W. is alive, we will be winning.

/Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?
 
2006-10-29 06:34:54 PM
This will strike the fear of Allah into those guys wiring up 20 year old artillery shells and firing $50 RPG rounds in Iraq...
 
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