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(Vast right wing conspiracy)   Jim Webb: "A Boy's Penis in your mouth - not a sexual thing"   (cnsnews.com) divider line 53
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2006-10-28 06:44:09 AM
..or maybe subby can read the book? Its FICTION.

/DIAF because of two reasons, one, you dont know what context is and two, its FICTION.
 
2006-10-28 07:04:34 AM
Maya Angelou wrote about child rape. She must be a pedophile.
 
2006-10-28 07:16:45 AM
Lynne Cheney, wife of our current VP, wrote about lesbian encounters in her book Sisters. I guess she must be a lesbian.
 
2006-10-28 07:51:55 AM
fiction or reality makes no difference to the 12 year olds keeping a ledger of atrocities purely to defend their team. Seriously, they really are this pathetic.
 
2006-10-28 08:11:49 AM
Ugh, god, it's not sexual because it's a cultural tradition.

I don't understand why people are so quick to judge a foreign culture without knowing anything about it.

Sure, I find it gross, but the author witnessed people doing this while he was in the war. McCain vouched for it, etc.
 
2006-10-28 08:27:47 AM
Mordant: Seriously, they really are this pathetic.

Pandering to the LCD Possee... Works everytime. Sad, really.
 
2006-10-28 08:28:35 AM
NewportBarGuy: Possee

See what I did there?

/I'm a moran
 
2006-10-28 09:10:41 AM
I'm not really up on the latest smoke and mirrors show so can somebody explain this to me? It sounds like a Democrat wrote a novel twenty years ago which portrays a culturally accurate practice that looks ugly when taken out of the context of the novel and original culture. How close am I?
 
2006-10-28 09:14:03 AM
equilibrium: How close am I?

Nail on head. However, he was a Republican when he wrote it. Not that it makes any difference whatsoever.

/Fan of Webb... and his books.
 
2006-10-28 09:15:14 AM
Anyone shocked that Matt Drudge is all over this one?
 
2006-10-28 09:18:30 AM
The banana quote is also taken out of context. It's part of stripper culture. Duh.
 
2006-10-28 09:21:32 AM
Jim Foley must be calling his travel agent.
 
2006-10-28 09:31:20 AM
The desperation of the republicans is hilarious.
 
2006-10-28 09:48:58 AM
I've loved watching these last few weeks unfold.

What a farking disaster... can we fix the entire socioeconomicpolitico system now?
 
2006-10-28 09:53:33 AM
That is Cambodia, and this is the United States of America and Virginia," Nelson said. "From where I stand, it is not normal or cultural behavior to put that out there for us to read.

Do I even need to add anything to that to make my point?
 
2006-10-28 09:58:48 AM
Didn't those guys who circumsised babies used to stem the blood with their mouths?
Wow, they must be pedophiles!
 
2006-10-28 10:04:28 AM
Why are Republicans so dishonest?
 
2006-10-28 10:05:06 AM
Why do Republicans hate Metzitzah?
 
2006-10-28 10:06:09 AM
Stupid sons of biatches need to put his books into context like John McCain did.

"James Webb, a legendary fighting man, tells a remarkable story - how the Scots-Irish and their fighting faith in America shaped the great nation we are today. His profound insights deepen our understanding not only of this unique people, but also of America's past and present."
 
2006-10-28 10:12:38 AM
Suddenly its a novel? The original defense was that it was non-fiction and he was just relaying the things he saw.

Now granted, this is a BS poltical move by the GOP... after being on the receiving end of BS political moves for the last two months. F them all.
 
2006-10-28 10:25:54 AM
mrexcess
Why are Republicans so dishonest?

I can only answer that with the following

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river. The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream. "Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.
 
2006-10-28 10:49:27 AM
"James Webb's new novel paints a portrait of a modern Vietnam charged with hopes for the future but haunted by the ghosts of its war-torn past. It captures well the lingering scars of the war, and exposes the tension between the dynamism of a new generation and the invisible bondage of an older generation for whom wartime allegiances, and animosities, are rendered no less vivid by the passage of time. A novel of revenge and redemption that tells us much about both where Vietnam is headed and where it has been."
- Senator John McCain
 
2006-10-28 10:50:27 AM
Litterbox: ..or maybe subby can read the book? Its FICTION.

---------

I assume you were making that argument when Bill O'Reilly wrote those horrible romance novels in the Late 80's before his time at Fox News that people like Mr. Franken like to quote with such glee...
 
2006-10-28 10:53:07 AM
FriarTuck: I assume you were making that argument when Bill O'Reilly wrote those horrible romance novels in the Late 80's before his time at Fox News that people like Mr. Franken like to quote with such glee...

When all else fails, make up a position, attribute it to someone, and attack it!
 
2006-10-28 10:57:14 AM
Code_Archeologist
I can only answer that with the following

Well done, with a side of credit to Aesop.
 
2006-10-28 10:59:08 AM

What's been reported so far is only the tip of the iceberg. Here's the latest:

Just the sight of those breasts made Reginald's penis very hard. His penis was of considerable size, and now beads of sweat slowly ran down his penis, making it glisten like a strong swimmer fresh from out of the pool. It was a fantastic penis, that seemed as strong as a horse's leg, yet as delicate as a flower wrapped in silk. What a grand, grand penis.
And then there's this:
Diana had never slept with another woman before, but it was an erotic thought she often fantasized about. And as Rebecca's naked body lay before her, Diana couldn't help but feel aroused. "Go on", Rebecca said softly, "Touch me." Diana leaned down slowly and brushed Rebecca's bare stomach with her fingertips. It felt good. Like a penis. A soft, but sturdy penis that felt warm to the touch. In Rebecca's mind, she suddenly felt like she was surrounded by penises. They were all around her, flopping all around and slapping her face. It was as if she were in a redwood forest of penises.
 
2006-10-28 11:05:34 AM
Sucking your 12 year old sons penis a cultural tradition and taken out of context? What? Not sexual , that must be from the Bill Clinton I did not Fark that intern handbook. No that must be where B C came up with it.
It's fiction ok , bad taste but I'd give it a pass and a wide berth.
 
2006-10-28 11:06:26 AM
Consider the source--CNS is a well-known right wing shill masquerading as journalism. Macaca's got nothing on Webb here. Its a non-story from any sort of objective perspective. The novel in question is a piece of historical fiction--much like James Michener's work. Its based on Webb's experiences as a journalist in postwar Vietnam. There are a number of folk cultural practices worldwide that seem pretty odd, to say the least, to Western culture. One of them is to put pressure on the penis of a young boy to stop them during a major psychotic episode or freak-out, so that they don't hurt themselves or others. In a warzone, psychotic freakouts are fairly common and in a totalitarian regime they can get you shot on site. The practice in question falls under the broader category of "non-sexual uses of sexual behavior." You see this all the time among animals, where males will prove their social dominance by mounting other subordinate males. Its not sexual, but it sends codes to the other males and females about who is the alpha male in the group. This is why an intelligent person like McCain praised the novel. In a warzone, human behavior is pushed to the limits of rationality, and people have to do some pretty odd things in a given situation. As opposed to a political rally where a sitting U.S. senator "welcomes" a dark-skinned person "to America," and calls him a racial slur in front of a crowd of white rural people.

This isn't even comparable to Lynne Cheney or Bill O'Reilly--those fetish sex scenes of lesbian incest and panty fetish were just gratuitious. Webb is drawing on real life in a warzone to illuminate the extremes of human experience. So suck it, reactionary wingnutjobs. Webb is going to kick Macaca's ass.
 
2006-10-28 11:09:08 AM
SkinnyHead

ROFL!

www.mwctoys.com
 
2006-10-28 11:11:11 AM
BiffDangler

Suddenly its a novel? The original defense was that it was non-fiction and he was just relaying the things he saw.

*Historical fiction* is a leading genre in popular publishing. Check it out.
 
2006-10-28 11:24:05 AM
Somacandra: BiffDangler

Suddenly its a novel? The original defense was that it was non-fiction and he was just relaying the things he saw.

*Historical fiction* is a leading genre in popular publishing. Check it out.


Actually, it's both and neither. The book itself is historical fiction. However, the action itself is something he saw while he was over there. Also, the quote which was put up there is being taken out of context, since the main character - the person witnessing this - expresses being disturbed by seeing this.

Claiming that this is advocating incest and pedophilia is like saying that Tom Clancy supports terrorism.
 
2006-10-28 11:29:16 AM
SkinnyHead: What's been reported so far is only the tip of the iceberg. Here's the latest:

Tell me you made those up. Someone is at least guilty of really, really bad writing.
 
2006-10-28 11:35:38 AM
Webb's a sicko! Or not:

But as the commenters at my other site pointed out, this isn't Webb's fevered imagination at work. One linked to this anthropological piece on crosscultural treatment of children:
The authoritative Growing Up: A Cross-Cultural Encyclopedia covers 87 cultures in which it says there is no incest, just adults playing with, stroking, masturbating and sucking their baby's genitals: "Truk adults play with an infant's genitals...In China, Manchu mothers tickle the genitals of their little daughters and suck the penis of a small son...in Thailand, a Banoi mother habitually strokes her son's genitals."

Judge that how you want, but it's important confirmation for Webb's explanation this morning: "It's not a sexual act," Webb told Plotkin regarding the "Lost Soldiers" excerpt. "I actually saw this happen in a slum in Bangkok when I was there as a journalist. The duty of a writer is to illuminate his surroundings."

So what we're left with is rather remarkable: Webb, who fought in Vietnam and spent much of his lifetime exposing that experience in his fiction, documented a real and unsettling feature of daily life there. It was non-sexual, but testament to his actual experience in the country. The Allen campaign is warping it, ripping it out of context and pretending that it stems from Webb's own fantasies of pedophilic fellatio.
 
2006-10-28 11:43:38 AM
Oh noes, Tom Clancy and John Grisham are defending Webb on this! Sounds like we need to burn books by those cheese eating surrender monkeys too.
 
2006-10-28 11:59:40 AM
Lynne Cheney, wife of our current VP, wrote about lesbian encounters in her book Sisters. I guess she must be a lesbian.

Considering who she is married to... I'd believe that.
 
2006-10-28 12:01:56 PM
larry00
Sucking your 12 year old sons penis a cultural tradition and taken out of context? What?

See Lackofname's excellent post summarizing the details, or merely do some elementary research for yourself. That is a perfectly accurate summation of the events described in the book, which comes recommended by people such as John McCain.
 
2006-10-28 12:15:18 PM
Lackofname: It was non-sexual,

Yeah, sure it was.

Just because some culture hasn't come to terms with its own ruses doesn't make them all okidokie.
 
2006-10-28 12:23:20 PM
RockIsDead
Just because some culture hasn't come to terms with its own ruses

You're saying that Thai culture in this regard is actually a "ruse"? For what, pray tell? Who orchestrated this mass conspiracy? Can I get you some fresh tinfoil?
 
2006-10-28 12:42:34 PM
I love the smell of desperation in the morning.


/usually it me.
//after striking out the night before.
///my sock smells of desperation.
 
2006-10-28 12:53:31 PM
Republican hero and monket porn author Scooter Libby unavailable for comment.

Or should I say maccaca porn?
 
2006-10-28 12:58:56 PM
RockIsDead, here's a new concept for you.

"Ethnocentric fallacy - the belief that the beliefs and behaviour of those in other cultures can be judged from the perspective of one's own culture, thus suggesting that one's own culture is superior to the other."
 
2006-10-28 01:37:53 PM
Knight_of_Swords: "Ethnocentric fallacy - the belief that the beliefs and behaviour of those in other cultures can be judged from the perspective of one's own culture, thus suggesting that one's own culture is superior to the other."

Considering the puritanical ninnies in this country think that an exposed breast on Lady Justice is a perverted sexual display that threatens our children's psyches, I am not surprised one bit that this concept is alien to most of them.
 
2006-10-28 01:37:55 PM
Why is Sen. Macaca so fixated on child sex?
 
2006-10-28 01:42:20 PM
RockIsDead

Just because some culture hasn't come to terms with its own ruses doesn't make them all okidokie.

Quit lying about Webb. He never said or wrote that it was "okidokie," as you are implying.
 
2006-10-28 01:54:35 PM

Just because some culture hasn't come to terms with its own ruses doesn't make them all okidokie.


Except that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Webb was recounting something he saw. The character in his book was disturbed by it.

The passages from his book were not sexual fantasies.
 
2006-10-28 02:11:55 PM
kronicfeld,

Considering the puritanical ninnies in this country think that an exposed breast on Lady Justice is a perverted sexual display that threatens our children's psyches, I am not surprised one bit that this concept is alien to most of them.

That's one of the things that has always confused me about the puritanical mindset. It's okay for a child to see 10 people blown away per night on TV. But one exposed breast is TEH SIN!!!111! This is the same mindset that says that abortion is wrong, but war is a-okay.
 
2006-10-29 05:19:00 AM
Michael Crichton wrote about dinosaurs in his book Jurassic Park... he must be a dinosaur.
 
2006-10-29 07:15:55 AM
Vote Democrat nov. 7

That is all.
 
2006-10-29 07:49:30 AM
Knight_of_Swords: "Ethnocentric fallacy - the belief that the beliefs and behaviour of those in other cultures can be judged from the perspective of one's own culture, thus suggesting that one's own culture is superior to the other."

Heh. That is not a fallacy. It has nothing to do with logic. Why did you even bother to incorrectly link to a one sentence Wikipedia stub?

The "all cultures are equal" argument is debatable and that "ethnocentric fallacy" does nothing to invalidate arguments that some cultures are superior to others, whatever that may mean.
 
2006-10-29 10:38:48 AM
fartymcfartypants:

Vote Democrat nov. 7

That is all.


I'm a Republican. With the exception of the Governor's Race, I'm voting Democrat this election, and probably the next election as well, if the GOP doesn't get its act together or split into two or more parties. (If the GOP is going to be worth saving, it needs to throw out the religious extremist right and the big business/big government fascists.)
 
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