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(ABC)   Top U.S. general warns army would use more "brute force" if new war started with Iran or North Korea, as opposed to the scalpel-like tactics and scrupulous avoidance of civilian casualties now being practised in Iraq   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 262
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2006-10-24 09:22:50 PM
Touche`

However civ casualties on each side would be catastrophic.

Estimated dead in Seoul would be in the 5-10 million range as it is the primary target for NKorea
 
2006-10-24 09:49:57 PM
Excellent headline.
 
2006-10-24 09:58:40 PM
**golfclappé**
 
2006-10-24 10:19:40 PM
Submitter is a douchebag.

Bloody and wasteful as the war in Iraq has been, it could easily be 100-1000 times worse.

The U.S. could start carpet bombing every major city in Iraq tommrow-- Carpet bombing is what the article is mainly referring to. If we end up in a war with Iran or NK, that's the way most of it is going to be done.

Not creative enough for Iraq? Well, the U.S. could declare Baghdad off limits to Sunnis and start shooting every one found. Or poison all the water supplies available to the general population. Or publicly hang 50 women and children for every American soldier killed.

In fact, there are dozens of bloodthirsty and cowardly chickenhawk Farkers who demand we "Take The Gloves Off" with the insurgency in Iraq every freaking day.

True, it would make the soilder's job a hell of a lot easier-- at least in the short term.

The U.S. could easily crush the Iraqi insurgency in a few months-- the only problem being we would kill 100 or more innocent Iraqis for every dead insurgent.

That kind of kill ratio might OK if you absolutely MUST utterly conquer an agressor nation to keep yours from being destroyed, but not if you're trying to "Liberate" it, as we're trying to do in Iraq.
 
2006-10-24 10:21:32 PM
Riche: The U.S. could easily crush the Iraqi insurgency in a few months-- the only problem being we would kill 100 or more innocent Iraqis for every dead insurgent.

Exactly. Just like we did in Vietnam. Bring out the B-52's, baby. That'll learn 'em.
 
2006-10-24 10:28:06 PM
Riche: the only problem being we would kill 100 or more innocent Iraqis for every dead insurgent.


"That's one dead civilian for every 10 terrorists. I believe that's an acceptional ratio."
"Unless you're one of the civilians."
-Blue Thunder
 
2006-10-24 10:30:13 PM

Exactly. Just like we did in Vietnam. Bring out the B-52's, baby. That'll learn 'em.


No jungle to hide in, either...
 
2006-10-24 10:34:58 PM
Riche: No jungle to hide in, either...

Right! There ain't no hiding in cities. Damn insurgents. Blow 'em all to hell, that's what I say.
 
2006-10-24 11:55:45 PM
I was wondering why we went 6 hours without a Iran/North Korea story....
 
2006-10-24 11:56:13 PM
Pocket Ninja: Exactly. Just like we did in Vietnam. Bring out the B-52's, baby. That'll learn 'em.

Thats one of the reasons we won the Vietnam War...oh wait.
 
2006-10-24 11:56:18 PM
We could have been done with Iraq by December 2003 if we went in brute force

/Not saying we should
//Just saying we could
 
2006-10-24 11:57:35 PM
Brute force = more courses to stay?

A wise man once told me.. well, nevermind.
 
2006-10-24 11:57:39 PM
If smitty submits an article with a troll headline, and it gets greenlit, are the editors stupid or just lazy?

/inquiring minds, etc.
 
2006-10-24 11:57:53 PM
The problem is that the insurgents are constantly being resupplied from Iran. So level Iran, fix the problem.
 
2006-10-24 11:58:07 PM
GET YOUR POPCORN HERE... POPCORN HERE!

/Asbestos suits.. 1/2 off!
 
2006-10-24 11:58:37 PM
If people think that what's going on in Iraq is "brute force" then they don't know what brute military force really is.
 
2006-10-24 11:59:31 PM
Gothmolly: If smitty submits an article with a troll headline, and it gets greenlit, are the editors stupid or just lazy?

Both, but that's Fark for you these days.
 
2006-10-24 11:59:49 PM
I seriously recommend against attacking Iran. There is no conceivable benefit to the West. The only result would be destruction.

Same goes with North Korea. Just, don't.
 
2006-10-25 12:00:30 AM
Heck, just Neutron bomb them all!

Just think, none of the precious oil would harmed!

After all, isn't that the important thing?
 
2006-10-25 12:00:32 AM
Pocket Ninja: Damn insurgents. Blow 'em all to hell, that's what I say.

The british said the same thing.
 
2006-10-25 12:00:34 AM
America's generals are subordinate to George Bush.

Why should anyone respect them?
 
2006-10-25 12:00:39 AM
img301.imageshack.us

Things get destroyed and people get killed in war.
 
2006-10-25 12:01:19 AM
You know, we spend billions devevloping these weapons..may as well use them, right? Right?
 
2006-10-25 12:01:36 AM
Shock and Awe - 2003

thewebfairy.com



Glass parking lot - 2007

img95.imageshack.us
 
2006-10-25 12:02:15 AM
Predalien: America's generals are subordinate to George Bush.

Why should anyone respect them?


A military coup is possible if Bush orders an attack on Iran. The amount of American life spent would be inconceivable, for no benefit. Is assured death better than possible death? It is actually a very frightening situation.
 
2006-10-25 12:02:20 AM
and so, another predictable step in this clusterfark comes through, eventually the exit strategy will be fullfilled through the roof of some green-zone building as everyone scrambles to get the hell out before the decapitation squad comes along.
 
2006-10-25 12:02:24 AM
Smitty is a moron. By any historical standard, that is EXACTLY how we're fighting the Iraq war.
 
2006-10-25 12:03:35 AM
Has there ever been a nation in the history of planet earth that has spent what we've spent on weapons that minimize civilian casualties? Or has put its own soldiers in danger in order to reduce civilian casualties?

I don't think there has been a nation in all of human history that has gone out of its way to avoid civilian casualties as much as the United States has.
 
2006-10-25 12:04:25 AM
Riche The U.S. could easily crush the Iraqi insurgency in a few months-- the only problem being we would kill 100 or more innocent Iraqis for every dead insurgent.

That worked out well for Israel in lebanon.

Oh wait, it didn't.
 
2006-10-25 12:04:58 AM
BigJake: Smitty is a moron. By any historical standard, that is EXACTLY how we're fighting the Iraq war.

We used propaganda (fake Sunni/Shia bombings really done by the USA) to make them kill each other. We've killed a huge number of civilians, but the numbers killed by the rivalling death squads that resulted have killed far more.
 
2006-10-25 12:05:52 AM
I hated clinton....
he got Impeached...
I was glad...
Bush got elected...
I was sad...
Bush decided to occupy a country...
I got scared...
Bush decides to attack 2 more countries...
I miss clinton....
 
2006-10-25 12:07:42 AM
I agree, czarangelus.

I wonder if an attack on Iran would merely be a precursor to use America's remaining army to subdue the 'homeland'.

Bush is a monster who would gladly trade America for one more kiss of his true master's ass.

Is it Sun Myung Moon? Is it Strauss? All I know is that he has a true hatred for the American people.
 
2006-10-25 12:08:33 AM
Come on submitter...

When most of Iraq looks like this:

www.historyplace.com


With clerics instead of priests of course, you get back to me. Until then, LOL, we Europeans sure are good at killing each other.
 
2006-10-25 12:08:58 AM
Travel the world!

See exotic locations!

Earn money for college through the G.I. Bill!

img147.imageshack.us

/Free honorary funeral!
 
2006-10-25 12:09:18 AM
The act of conquering nowadays is made difficult by the internets, the media, and a general learning towards humanitarianism that the planet has acquired in the last hundred or so years. No one should invade a country in these modern times unless they're seriously ready to learn from and emulate the best. Genghis Khan, Alexander, the Romans. Those guys knew how to deal with an insurgency.
 
2006-10-25 12:09:21 AM
czarangelus
A military coup is possible if Bush orders an attack on Iran. The amount of American life spent would be inconceivable, for no benefit. Is assured death better than possible death? It is actually a very frightening situation.

What scares me is that you probably vote.
 
2006-10-25 12:09:32 AM
"A military coup is possible if Bush orders an attack on Iran. The amount of American life spent would be inconceivable, for no benefit. Is assured death better than possible death? It is actually a very frightening situation."

Well, now that Duffy has relinquished his "King Bonehead" crown I see we have an heir to the throne!

You're a flipping idiot to believe a military coup could EVER occur in the US
 
2006-10-25 12:09:49 AM
czarangelus: We used propaganda (fake Sunni/Shia bombings really done by the USA) to make them kill each other.

Soooooo your position is that the US is deliberately destablizing the country? What possible end would this serve, economically, politically, or even militarily? We're getting way less oil out of there than we could if it were stable, we're expending many more of our military resources that will probably be called upon again soon than we'd need to, and it looks terrible for Bush and the Republicans. To have a crime, you must have a motive.

BTW, nice photo.

img.villagephotos.com
 
2006-10-25 12:10:07 AM
Riche wins this thread
 
2006-10-25 12:10:43 AM
vosgienne: With clerics instead of priests of course, you get back to me. Until then, LOL, we Europeans sure are good at killing each other.

And America had a genocide.

img-srv.everestwebworks.com
 
2006-10-25 12:11:09 AM
We should have just spent the money on the war to fly every citizen of Iraq to America. FREEDOM ACCOMPLISHED.
 
2006-10-25 12:11:19 AM
strangeusa dot com

Nice.

As a Canadian, I'm quite content with America as the global superpower. Do they have their problems? Yes. Could they do better? They have before,they will again. I couldn't imagine the state of affairs if any other country, including mine, was "running the show". Stop the America hating. It's not cool anymore.

Guaran-farkin'-teed no other country could keep check and balance like the US. None.
 
2006-10-25 12:11:37 AM
And yes, the grammar in my post is terrible. Mea culpa.
 
2006-10-25 12:12:06 AM
We Americans don't have the stomach for total war. We're a civilization of businessmen, not Mongols.
 
2006-10-25 12:12:24 AM
A military coup is possible if Bush orders an attack on Iran.

Quite possibly the most ridiculous statement I've heard all day. Care to expand that at all? Or do you simply have no idea how things work in this country?
 
2006-10-25 12:12:26 AM
BigJake: Soooooo your position is that the US is deliberately destablizing the country? What possible end would this serve, economically, politically, or even militarily?

The more bullets and rockets and missiles and shiat that the US troops shoot at Iraqis, and all the bullet shields on blown up Humvees that need to be replaced, all make a farking fortune off of it. This is nothing but a cash grab gussied up for the American people by the ramblings of George W. Bush. That so many people fall for this ploy is... well... disappointing. But the truth is out there, for people who follow the cash.
 
2006-10-25 12:12:36 AM
Incetardis

I love you.
 
2006-10-25 12:12:52 AM
czarangelus: We used propaganda (fake Sunni/Shia bombings really done by the USA) to make them kill each other.

Wow! We did?. Fortunately, we have the Kos Kiddies of the world to TELL TEH TROOF to the rest us!


/Not really.
//You should look into metallic foil haberdashery.
 
2006-10-25 12:13:41 AM
yoshie0728: Quite possibly the most ridiculous statement I've heard all day. Care to expand that at all? Or do you simply have no idea how things work in this country?

Do you think the Joint Chiefs of Staff are just going to carry out that order without any reservations, disregarding the consequences? Furthermore, Bush just sees this as an expansion of the War on Terror. Where is Congress' declaration of war on Iran? Or will another terrorist attack be engineered to get that?
 
2006-10-25 12:14:00 AM
STRYPERSWINE


"Has there ever been a nation in the history of planet earth that has spent what we've spent on weapons that minimize civilian casualties? Or has put its own soldiers in danger in order to reduce civilian casualties?

I don't think there has been a nation in all of human history that has gone out of its way to avoid civilian casualties as much as the United States has."


Nope there sure hasn't. But, what we need now is actionable "real" intel that lets us kill the bad guys much faster than we are currently killing them.
It's nice to have the surgical tools, but they would work better if they knew what and where to cut.
 
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