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(Scientific American)   Researcher discovers that men focus on subliminal pictures of naked women - but women focus on both naked men and women   (sciam.com) divider line 142
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2006-10-24 10:58:38 AM  
icehole

*clap*
 
2006-10-24 10:58:56 AM  
Woo, so my girlfriend is also likely to cheat on me with my sister?

/Doesn't have a sister
//Nor a girlfriend
 
2006-10-24 11:02:26 AM  
TheOtherWoman: If I could only figure out a way to slip a subliminal image into my annual review, perhaps I'd get a better raise.


Just a warning...ya might not like the raise they offer you!
 
2006-10-24 11:07:28 AM  
FWIW, several of the gay men I know have an appreciation for female boobs and butts. Vaginas, not so much. But they'll also take an appreciative look at some lovely curves.

If you stripped 100 men at random and 100 women at random, the nekkid women would be much easier to look at. Even the most flaming queen will agree that a guy has to be a pretty exceptional specimen to look good unclothed, but fairly average women actually improve the more clothes you remove.
 
2006-10-24 11:09:34 AM  
keep your standards low and everyone looks smokin' hot.
 
2006-10-24 11:10:12 AM  
SInce I am always interested in learning more about how some female's thought processes function:

Is it that some women are checking out the competition? If so, why would this not apply to men? Surely men are stereotypically thought of as the more competative gender.

My wife hounds my ass all the time if my gaze strays within a solid galaxy of another woman. I would hope that she has more self esteem than to think that I am looking for the next best thing.

At the risk of thread-jacking, does this not stray in to the zone of objectification? It seems to me that objectification these days is equated with exploitation. Now I am fully aware that many will try to dissuade any argument about how poorly women are treated by claiming my white male priviledge (and to a point I will agree with them) as a block to my ability to understand.

Case in point. Some women, for whatever reason, feel that they can dress up in a tank top and a miniskirt and walk around public without being stared at. While some may consider this empowerment, how is it that people can feel that they have the power to redefine the meaning of one thing and that everyone has to share that meaning, when another shared meaning already exists? To some it may be empowerment, to others it may be an attempt at attention.

So many conversations on the topic, yet so little has been discovered.

Thoughts?
 
2006-10-24 11:10:33 AM  
but fairly average women actually improve the more clothes you remove.

Now, there I disagree with you. Being a costumer/wardrobe tech, I've seen more naked people than I like to think about...and not airbrushed, porn people. REAL naked. So many attractive people are less so when they're totally nude. A little clothing can sometimes be sexier/nicer to look at than total nudity.
 
2006-10-24 11:13:08 AM  
Momiage

Its sad that your wife is so incredibly insecure. Perhaps she should try therapy? Or couples therapy? My sister-in-law is like that and I want to scream, "You're married, not dead, hon."
 
2006-10-24 11:14:56 AM  
llarken: A little clothing can sometimes be sexier/nicer to look at than total nudity

Absolutely. Hence the lingerie industry.
 
2006-10-24 11:15:53 AM  
Momiage

To some it may be empowerment, to others it may be an attempt at attention.

That seems accurate to me. I fear linking to it, because I don't want to rain hordes of Farkers on the poor woman, but there's a nice blog that has an essay you'd probably be interested in called "The Sword of Power." Searching for "biting beaver sword of power" on TEH GOOGLE will probably get you there.
 
2006-10-24 11:18:23 AM  
I think I just sublimitalled all over my keyboard..

/off to Best Buy again
 
2006-10-24 11:18:26 AM  
llarken,

She has far too much pride for therapy unfortunately. She does have a mind that is receptive to a good argument, and so I try to amass as much evidence to support claims as I can. She has self esteem issues, although not admittedly, and I am her lighting rod. It is getting better with time.

What bothers me is the hypocrisy. It is a human condition that I will never be able to get away from, only try to prevent within myself. I see in many ways modern feminism being more about gaining power over men than equality.
 
2006-10-24 11:20:15 AM  
Momiage

Oh please. We've got a long way to go before equality, much less "power over." Now who's insecure?
 
2006-10-24 11:22:15 AM  
If there's one thing I know about women, it is that pretty much all of them are sexually attracted to one gender or the other or possibly both!

Sexually attracted? No. Sexually aroused? Yes. Besides, naked men are silly looking from the waist down.
 
2006-10-24 11:22:38 AM  
Quackedtheduck

You are correct, women, in most ways, are far from equal.

The issue is equal to what?

Yes, I am insecure. Many, including my wife, are quick to point it out as a weakness, but I consider it a test to help decide who I am.
 
2006-10-24 11:23:29 AM  
llarken A little clothing can sometimes be sexier/nicer to look at than total nudity.

Totally agree. The imagination is much more powerful than the real thing.

/Also have seen women who look better under a pile of laundry.
 
2006-10-24 11:23:50 AM  
She has self esteem issues, although not admittedly, and I am her lighting rod.

If you need to get her past this, you'll probably have to ditch the girlfriends for a while. *snork*
 
2006-10-24 11:24:10 AM  
It amazes me the insecurity we have about ourselves and how we project that self hate towards others for simply being human.

Case in point Momiage's spouse
 
2006-10-24 11:27:33 AM  
Hmmm..... my experience has been that at least 60% of the women I've dated have had sexual fantasies about other women and the majority would have acted on those fantasies if the oppourtunity arose and they were drunk enough....

Of course, I'm only interested in women who have raging sexual appetites, so that may have something to do with it....

Still trying to get two of them in the same hot tub at the same time with enough booze... damn it.
 
2006-10-24 11:27:40 AM  
Momiage

The issue is equal to what?

Men, hon. There's no deep philisophical question here.

Being female means a whole new set of expectations and opportunities for social shunning that you never had to deal with. It's a pain in the ass, which it would be nice to be judged for something other than for once, but I digress.

And buck up. Everyone is insecure. It's a scary world out there.
 
2006-10-24 11:30:41 AM  
Quackedtheduck

Actually I would argue that the issue is far less two demensional than people make it.

Perhaps I should have phrased my question, "the issue is equal to which men?"
 
2006-10-24 11:30:41 AM  
For those "bitter" men who suggest that women look at other women because they're insecure?

Bingo. Sorry to burst any fantasies here. Women are insane in that way. They will go as far as to say (about a total stranger who may be as much as a block away) "She's so pretty! I hate her!"

If women start yelling at guys just because there are prettier women around, that's just messed up.

People say it's because men objectify women, blah blah blah... We brought this upon ourselves. Women treat their bodies like houses in need of renovation, no matter how pretty or healthy she may already be. My favorite part is when women belittle others for minor body flaws because they're insecure about themselves.

It's probably the most anti-feminist belief ever, but you'll be hard-pressed to find a woman who doesn't believe there's at least some part of her that is hideous and that one day, Heidi Klum will walk into her life and steal everything she has.

/time for coffee
 
2006-10-24 11:31:19 AM  
img232.imageshack.us
 
2006-10-24 11:37:31 AM  
Momiage

It's the privileges given to all men that we've got our eye on. You know, the ability to not have how we look, dress, and act constantly scrutinized for how much it pleases the other gender, the ability to have sexuality be a part of our life but not the only part ever worth mentioning, to walk alone at night or get drunk at a party without being told that we invited our own rape, and be assumed to have the responsibility and judgement necessary to take responsibility for our own reproductive decisions.

Case in point. I can't find a doctor ANYWHERE who will tie my tubes. They all tell me "you'll change your mind" (with a subtext of 'silly little girl, we know what's best for you') My fiancee asks for a vasectomy, and the only thing they tell him is (paraphrased, obviously) "you should probably tell your woman, she might get mad. Silly hysterical women, har de har har"

So yes, I think it is that simple. What do you even mean by which men?
 
2006-10-24 11:43:08 AM  
Quackedtheduck: Case in point. I can't find a doctor ANYWHERE who will tie my tubes. They all tell me "you'll change your mind" (with a subtext of 'silly little girl, we know what's best for you') My fiancee asks for a vasectomy, and the only thing they tell him is (paraphrased, obviously) "you should probably tell your woman, she might get mad. Silly hysterical women, har de har har"

Its localized... they'll tie your tubes out here no questions asked. But a vasectomy on the other hand will get you the grilling of your life.
 
2006-10-24 11:43:25 AM  
Seventy five post, and no pics of hot girl-on-girl action?

Did I log onto Fark.edu again?
 
2006-10-24 11:45:41 AM  
IdBeCrazyIf

Yet more proof that Indiana is actually Mars, cleverly disguised.

Really though? Did someone you know get one done? 'Cause that's pretty cool.
 
2006-10-24 11:51:17 AM  
excuse to post pics of asian women...
looks like links to japanese amazon.com... close enough
 
2006-10-24 11:55:17 AM  
Quackedtheduck

First off, thank you for responding. It is rare that I can discuss ideas (and maybe fark is not the best place) and get responses that are worthwhile. My attempt is to learn as much as I can.

What I mean by "which men" is that I believe that many people in general enjoy lumping people in to binaries because it makes the discussion far easier. I would hope that any individual who claims to be semi-aware would realise that the group "men" encompasses an wide variety of individuals (BTW I am not calling you stupid here).

"You know, the ability to not have how we look, dress, and act constantly scrutinized for how much it pleases the other gender"

I will fully admit that even to my eyes a mini skirt draws my attention faster than loose khakis. However, two things need to be mentioned here. The first is that IMHO women do the same to men, perhaps without the idiotic voracity. A man in a suit who is well groomed will get more eyes following him than some baggy pants wearing wannabe punk. The second is that we all make choices about our appearance. If you remove sexuality from the discussion completely and focus on something like, social status, it can be said that everyone regardless of gender is scutinized by their appearance. We all choose to appear in some way in public, and there are consequences because of this, regardless if they are positive.

"the ability to have sexuality be a part of our life but not the only part ever worth mentioning"

This bothers me as well, because in essence it just gets in the way of everyone. I wish more women were willing to have sexuality be a mental "good". Again here I go back to the diversity of men in that I know, for me, it is the mind of a woman that is the aphrodesiac (sp?). My wife is an incredibly beautiful woman, but what first made me notice her was when she came in to my work one night crying wearing sweatpants and a hoodie.

"to walk alone at night or get drunk at a party without being told that we invited our own rape, and be assumed to have the responsibility and judgement necessary to take responsibility for our own reproductive decisions."

As my investigations in to this subject have grown deeper, I have realised, thanks to my wife, that there are some spots where women get shafted hardcore. The only avenue I have been able to take in either of these topics is to assert my own beliefs about them, and publically decry those who are opposed to them.

As for your medical experience, I have seen more cases of medical mysoginy than I ever care to. Doctors, like anyone else given too much power, can be a bunch of dicks.

A side point: I am hoping that people realise that while some men are buttheads, some are not, just as some women are buttheads, and some not.
 
2006-10-24 11:55:42 AM  
Perhaps we should conduct our own 'scientific' study. TheOtherWoman? Will you help by getting some pictures, then we can ask everyone what they think?

I was going to ask llarken, but her profile insists the answer is no.
 
2006-10-24 11:56:29 AM  
/no idea what happened to the homosexual women, or the bisexual men.

thejoyofpi, I was wondering the same thing.
Are there any researchers out there who know why they would go out of their way to make their results pretty much useless?
 
2006-10-24 11:56:51 AM  
Quackedtheduck: Yet more proof that Indiana is actually Mars, cleverly disguised.

You have no idea how close to the truth that is

Really though? Did someone you know get one done? 'Cause that's pretty cool.

They ask you during the birth procedure if you want it done. Wife just had the baby and it was one of those check if you want it, check here if you don't want it sorta of things.

A women she works with had it done.. only had to has the OBGYN for a in patient reference.

Now my vasectomy on the other hand requires a visit to the local shrink just to make sure "I'm in a secure mind to do this"
 
2006-10-24 11:59:08 AM  
Momiage: Case in point. Some women, for whatever reason, feel that they can dress up in a tank top and a miniskirt and walk around public without being stared at. While some may consider ...
...So many conversations on the topic, yet so little has been discovered.

Thoughts?



This is certainly worth discussing, and I'd like to contribute, but as soon as I start thinking about a tank top and a miniskirt my mind just kind of wanders off...
 
2006-10-24 12:03:35 PM  
Cognitive neuroscientist Sheng He of the University of Minnesota and his colleagues gathered groups of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men and bisexual women numbering 10 each.

That's their setup? Shouldn't they have gotten homosexual women and bisexual men to round out their results? Not to mention the sample size is tiny.
 
2006-10-24 12:03:52 PM  
Come on... I am disappointed! OK, a couple of mildly amusing submissions so far, but much more is expected. I need to correctly identify the orientation of the Gabor patches!
 
2006-10-24 12:05:35 PM  
If eatin ain't cheatin, lookin certainly isn't.

Tell you wife to have more sex (with you) and there'd be nothing to be insecure about.

This is 100% serious. If you're already married and these issues haven't been solved already, they're only going to get worse. You got married too soon.
 
2006-10-24 12:06:40 PM  
Momiage

A man in a suit who is well groomed will get more eyes following him than some baggy pants wearing wannabe punk.

You've managed to miss my point by a mile. The point I was making is that it is customary in this society for men to be judged based on many factors. When the object of discussion is a woman, though, the FIRST thing everyone does, even if she's 65, is to talk about whether she's hot or not. That's why I say women in this society are treated as if their primary value is as a sex object. It has nothing to do with your taste for miniskirts.

Individual men are of course an endless varying group, just as women are. However, i'm not talking about them, i'm talking about the messages blasted by our culture. Watch TV. How many of the male actors are conventionally attractive and treated as sex objects? Maybe 20% (your mileage may vary.) Female? More like 90%.

My wife is an incredibly beautiful woman, but what first made me notice her was when she came in to my work one night crying wearing sweatpants and a hoodie.

This is why I don't generally like discussing feminism with men. They always try to make it about them. I truly don't care if you're "not like that." You're not who (well, what) i'm talking about.

Idbecrazyif

That sucks about the shrink. You could try doing what I was thinking of doing. Just present yourself as far too unstable to ever be allowed to reproduce. "Well, sometimes I sleep-strangle people, and occasionally if i'm holding something i'll just throw it really hard to the floor for no reason. Also, I forget to feed myself or clean for days at a time, and i'd probably do the same to a baby."
 
2006-10-24 12:14:36 PM  
Quackedtheduck

Sorry about my misunderstanding.

However...

If you say:
"This is why I don't generally like discussing feminism with men. They always try to make it about them"

Then say:
"The point I was making is that it is customary in this society for men to be judged based on many factors. When the object of discussion is a woman, though, the FIRST thing everyone does, even if she's 65, is to talk about whether she's hot or not. That's why I say women in this society are treated as if their primary value is as a sex object."

Have you not in fact made it about me?
 
2006-10-24 12:15:35 PM  
Quackedtheduck: You've managed to miss my point by a mile. The point I was making is that it is customary in this society for men to be judged based on many factors. When the object of discussion is a woman, though, the FIRST thing everyone does, even if she's 65, is to talk about whether she's hot or not.

Well, women do plenty of that as well. Hell, half the tmie when I describe men I do it based on what about them is goofy looking.

I'm sorry of you're not hot, or if you've been unfairly judged. Not all men are like that, and even if so a competent woman gets noticed professionally.

In any event, hot women should like being appreciated for the way they look. I fthey do a good job, they get noticed for two rerasons. If they don't, at least they look good.
 
2006-10-24 12:16:13 PM  
Momiage

Uh, by "everyone" I was talking about the general population. You know, true for most people, but your individual mileage may vary? Though I suppose I could have been talking about Fark threads.

I really, truly, am not talking about you at all.
 
2006-10-24 12:18:11 PM  
scotttothety

I know women do it too. It's unfair because it's true for one gender and not the other, and it's a way we behave because society tells us that's what we're supposed to do.

It's sweet that you jump to the conclusion that i'm just saying this because i'm ugly. Because god knows women can't notice and comment on the culture they see around them. Oh no, we're just jealous biatches.
 
2006-10-24 12:20:49 PM  
Quackedtheduck: It's sweet that you jump to the conclusion that i'm just saying this because i'm ugly. Because god knows women can't notice and comment on the culture they see around them. Oh no, we're just jealous biatches.

That part was just a bit of snark.

perfectly willing to be priven wrong.

/e-mail in profile
 
2006-10-24 12:21:57 PM  
/spelling in absentia
 
2006-10-24 12:22:02 PM  
scotttothety

You're doing a better job of proving my point than I ever could.
 
2006-10-24 12:23:27 PM  
Quackedtheduck: You're doing a better job of proving my point than I ever could.

Why deny who you are?

Men look at tits. Get over it.

Women look at cars and wallets. That's OK with me.

You, however, seem to lack a sense of humor.
 
2006-10-24 12:24:33 PM  
all men are teh evil!!!1!11!!!111!1!!1!!!!!1111!!!7
 
2006-10-24 12:25:21 PM  
Regnad Kcin

This focus benefit did not carry over, however, when the participants were allowed to consciously see the naked photos, the researchers report in the paper published online in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA. It may have been that the erotic images were on display too long, they speculate; previous studies have shown that it is difficult to maintain attention in one spot. Or it could be that social or cultural norms take over. "Maybe you don't want to look at the nude pictures," he suggests.

Sicko.


Prude. =;o)
 
2006-10-24 12:25:50 PM  
Quacktheduck

I am curious about your views on misogyny and language use.

/loves a good conversation
//and slashies!
 
2006-10-24 12:26:54 PM  
scotttothety

You seem more bitter than funny to me. Cars and wallets?
Poor baby.

If you look at women as tit-delivery systems rather than people, don't be too shocked when they look at you as a wallet and a pair of wheels. An obnoxious wallet, to boot.
 
2006-10-24 12:27:27 PM  
LawTalkingGuy

If there's one thing I know about women, it is that pretty much all of them are sexually attracted to one gender or the other or possibly both!

And men are complete asexuals, right? =;o) =xoD
 
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