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2006-10-21 07:36:33 PM  
editorinquief:
How is vehicular manslaughter an adult decision?

and how do I make your name bold?
 
2006-10-21 07:36:35 PM  
There was a model in Chicago who did something similar a couple of years back. Had a fight with her mother and drove a car into a car intentionally (IIRC two guys in it, they worked for Shure, going out to lunch - bad farkin' day). Of course she lived, the two guys died.
 
2006-10-21 07:37:26 PM  
Look, my seventeen year old son knows you don't go crashing cars into cars in the on coming lane on purpose. This dumb bimbo knows that too. I think its lesson one in drivers ed -- don't crash on purpose. She should be prosecuted as an adult -- life ain't too severe a penalty!
 
2006-10-21 07:37:29 PM  
Regardless, until you are 18 you are considered to be a child. The reasoning for that is that society has said that until you are that age you do not have the maturity level or sense of responsibility to be afforded the rights or responsibilities of an adult.

And yet, the law ALSO says she's able to make decisions like having an abortion without parental consent. That's a fairly serious medical procedure, with potential long term consequences.

So we've already established that a 16 year old DOES have the capacity to make adult decisions. Now, you've got a much better shot at making your case based on her mental issues. But if you DO get her tossed in the loony bin for being a narcissistic self centered biatch, you also might as well throw half of hollywood and most of D.C. in there with her.
 
2006-10-21 07:38:37 PM  
Hawnkee: Times and humans are changing. That average human seems to be maturing at an earlier rate. The 18 == adult rule needs to be overhauled.

Agreed. We shouldn't just be picking and choosing who is an adult, especially when it is used to increase liability to a defendant.

I believe that dangers and flaws need to be worked out of any system. This goes for human society as well. She simply needs to be elimintated because she is flawed and proved herself to be a danger to society. Unlike a fark-load of other people, I don't just complain about something and not offer a suggestion for change. If it's the right thing, good. If it's not, I accept, adapt, and move on.

She has shown that she is capable of making irrational and irresponsible decisions, which is what we accuse all kids of doing, hence their limits on rights and liberties. Why is it in this case that those very behaviors suddenly make her an adult?
 
2006-10-21 07:38:49 PM  
I'm a little confused about people talking about choices and murder and stuff like that.

Can anyone who thinks that the best response to being turned down by a member of ones own sex, and being gay in a private school is to try and commit suicide in such a useless manner, raise their hand?

Clearly this kid has psychological problems, and needs help more than punishment. How is life in prison going to fix anything?
 
2006-10-21 07:39:02 PM  
Ateam

include html. > with b in the brackets.

I typed hastily. Vehicular Manslaughter is -not- an adult decision.
 
2006-10-21 07:39:16 PM  
FuturePastNow

Another sign she's probably rich: looks like that picture was taken at a country club.

Not that it matters...rich or poor, she's a delusionally selfish biatch who will hopefully spend a long time in prison.

Although, if she is rich she'll get a lawyer who'll get her off on temporary insanity or something. God bless our legal system.
 
2006-10-21 07:40:02 PM  
nottheman THe better angle is how she's this spoiled rich kid and managed to kill a working class immigrant mother and injure a baby in a carseat. Im sure this will be spun by conservatives as "Illegals almost kill straight-A student."

Or, it will spun by liberals as "Over-breeding housewife kills lesbian."

/not a conservative or liberal
//just trying to cover all bases
 
2006-10-21 07:40:48 PM  
Weaver95: And yet, the law ALSO says she's able to make decisions like having an abortion without parental consent. That's a fairly serious medical procedure, with potential long term consequences.

And it is also completely separate from what we are talking about. Giving a kid the right to get an abortion without parental consent is something we've allowed kids to do. But that doesn't make them an adult.

So we've already established that a 16 year old DOES have the capacity to make adult decisions. Now, you've got a much better shot at making your case based on her mental issues. But if you DO get her tossed in the loony bin for being a narcissistic self centered biatch, you also might as well throw half of hollywood and most of D.C. in there with her.

Every teenager is capable of making adult decisions. But we still don't give them the rights or liberties as an adult. Why should we use a double standard that suddenly lables them as an adult only when they've done something wrong?
 
2006-10-21 07:42:34 PM  
Ateam: and how do I make your name bold?

get farkit for mozilla firefox, then you wont have to learn html unless you want to link to websites or pictures...

like this.
 
2006-10-21 07:42:52 PM  
www.iansouter.com

//window please
 
2006-10-21 07:44:07 PM  
junkevil: i'm glad you can spell recognize, and i was speaking of your arguments as being weak.

that being said, do you discount the 10 commandments or were you personally wrong with what you said about man not being able to understand god?

i wonder why you didn't clarify.


Recognise is a perfectly valid spelling of the word, as you'll find in many dictionaries covering British spellings. It is fading out, but is not presently considered to be an incorrect spelling.

As to the ten commandments, I'm not a member of an Abrahamic faith. I don't believe that Moses understood the mind of God.
 
2006-10-21 07:45:06 PM  
untrustworthy

So I ask again, if she were busted for drinking would the courts extend the same consideration for her maturity level? Or if she had sex with an adult, would they allow for the argument that she was as mature as an adult is, thereby dismissing charges against her partner?


I see what you're getting at. No, I doubt she'd be tried as an adult in those situations. But, that does not necessarily mean that she should be tried as a minor in ALL cases. While she isn't an adult, the protection of being a minor shouldn't shield blatantly irresponsible decisions which required mature, adult calculations.

I can't tell if I'm arguing on a sinking ship, here. I'm personally hoping she's tried as an adult; my biased is kinda seeping in.
 
2006-10-21 07:47:50 PM  
 
2006-10-21 07:49:12 PM  
editorinquief: I see what you're getting at. No, I doubt she'd be tried as an adult in those situations. But, that does not necessarily mean that she should be tried as a minor in ALL cases. While she isn't an adult, the protection of being a minor shouldn't shield blatantly irresponsible decisions which required mature, adult calculations.

Isn't making blatantly irresponsible decision indicative of childish behavior? And to be fair, shouldn't courts also consider some who are over 18 who have the maturity level of a child to be tried as children? The way the law is being bent makes absolutely no sense to me.

I can't tell if I'm arguing on a sinking ship, here. I'm personally hoping she's tried as an adult; my biased is kinda seeping in.

I hope she pays dearly for what she did, but that's beside the point that the law is unfair and hypocritical. You can't lable someone as being too immature and irresponsible to be given rights and liberties appreciated by adults, and then lable them as an adult so you can leverage more severe laws against them. Are they kids or are they adults? You can't have it both ways.
 
2006-10-21 07:51:47 PM  
untrustworthy

Aye, point taken.

/opens a beer
 
2006-10-21 07:52:39 PM  
Stupid spelling habits. Lable = label.

*sigh*
 
2006-10-21 07:53:21 PM  
editorinquief: Aye, point taken.

Wait, did I just win?!?

Weaver?
 
2006-10-21 07:54:19 PM  
Reveilled: Recognise is a perfectly valid spelling of the word, as you'll find in many dictionaries covering British spellings. It is fading out, but is not presently considered to be an incorrect spelling.

of course, the i'm british so i must be right argument. brilliant.

As to the ten commandments, I'm not a member of an Abrahamic faith. I don't believe that Moses understood the mind of God.

so its okay to kill people then? sweet!
 
2006-10-21 08:04:35 PM  
junkevil: so its okay to kill people then? sweet!

Since when were the 10 Commandments the only thing that said murder was bad?
 
2006-10-21 08:04:46 PM  
junkevil: of course, the i'm british so i must be right argument. brilliant.

As opposed to the "I'm American so I must be right" argument?

so its okay to kill people then? sweet!

So in your opinion, the word of the Islamo-Judeo-Christian god is the only thing that makes killing people wrong? Strange, I thought you were an atheist. Atheists, in my experience, usually believe you can derive morality from sources other than god.


My troll sense is tingling, but much too late.
 
2006-10-21 08:07:09 PM  
img89.imageshack.us
 
2006-10-21 08:08:46 PM  
So...homosexuality is a disease after all...hahaha
 
2006-10-21 08:09:21 PM  
I see untrustworthy's point, and regardless of my feelings on how much punishment or leniency this girl should receive, I have to agree with the basis for his argument.
 
2006-10-21 08:12:42 PM  
I guess my headline wasn't funny enough when I submitted this three days ago! Drat!
 
2006-10-21 08:13:25 PM  
16yo?

what fuking imbecile gave another imbecile keys to the car?

fuking kid needs a psychiatrist and the 'parents' need oh damn i do not know what.

16yo there is no 'personal responsibility'

fuked up, i know, but this is the law.

in these cases law holds parents responsible.
 
2006-10-21 08:15:50 PM  
Believe me, there are good reasons why kids are sometimes tried as adults. Maybe not in Smalltown, USA, or maybe not even in this case. But where I'm from, these teenagers live as adults and break the law as adults. Rapes, armed robberies, murders. Rap sheets going back to when they were 11. Try them as kids, and they're out in a couple of years.

/just sayin
 
2006-10-21 08:16:00 PM  
Reveilled: As opposed to the "I'm American so I must be right" argument?

of course thats my argument!

also, the whole thing about realize was a joke in the first place. i'm no grammar nazi, notice as i rarely capitalize things. the remark about britan as well a joke. no need to get all offended by it.

So in your opinion, the word of the Islamo-Judeo-Christian god is the only thing that makes killing people wrong? Strange, I thought you were an atheist. Atheists, in my experience, usually believe you can derive morality from sources other than god.

absolutley, but i also note that religions create a set of laws and if you're defending christianity then i'd like to see what yours are. also, to date, i have killed no one.

My troll sense is tingling, but much too late.

you should get that checked out then. sounds like a problem.
 
2006-10-21 08:16:01 PM  
*eats cookie*
*waits for flame war to start*
 
2006-10-21 08:16:59 PM  
And it is also completely separate from what we are talking about. Giving a kid the right to get an abortion without parental consent is something we've allowed kids to do. But that doesn't make them an adult.

I'm sorry, that statement broke a logic circuit. We let kids make adult decisions, give them adult level responsiblity BUT you're not saying they're adults?

Can't have it both ways sparky - either they're able to make all those decisions about their lives or they're not.

As to THIS case, I bet it'll come down to her mental state at the time she did it. You can tap dance all you want, but your objections don't amount to anything. She'll get a semi-fair trial, then do some jail time. whatever sentence she gets won't be enough tho.
 
2006-10-21 08:17:55 PM  
Weaver95: And yet, the law ALSO says she's able to make decisions like having an abortion without parental consent. That's a fairly serious medical procedure, with potential long term consequences.

Actually, if we get into it, it's really not that serious of a medical procedure, and most states will do it without putting you under.

Do you know why?

Because putting you under requires your parents to sign off on it.

The procedure itself is much like a vaccume. Only when you get into second and third trimesters it is medically serious, and after that, you do need parental consent in most states.

/the more you know
 
2006-10-21 08:22:21 PM  
untrustworthy [TotalFark]

Win? I acknowledged the sense of your point of view. Mine was emotional moreso than anything. You had the right(er) of it.
/slowly getting drunk
 
2006-10-21 08:23:50 PM  
Weaver95: I'm sorry, that statement broke a logic circuit. We let kids make adult decisions, give them adult level responsiblity BUT you're not saying they're adults?

The issue he's talking about is fairly simple.

Kids can drive at 16.
Buy cigarettes at 18.
Die for their country at 18.
Can't drink until you're 21.

And, and in some states, if you're 12-14, you can be tried as an adult.

It is unfair and should be corrected, but I don't see them doing it any time. If you are old enough to be punished as an adult, you should have all the adult perks.

Is what he's trying to say. I don't see where you are missing the logic.
 
2006-10-21 08:25:01 PM  
PS More lesbian pictures plz.
 
2006-10-21 08:25:16 PM  
junkevil: also, the whole thing about realize was a joke in the first place. i'm no grammar nazi, notice as i rarely capitalize things. the remark about britan as well a joke. no need to get all offended by it.

Sorry. It didn't come across that way. No hard feelings, then.

absolutley, but i also note that religions create a set of laws and if you're defending christianity then i'd like to see what yours are. also, to date, i have killed no one.

I'm not defending Christianity. I'm arguing against the idea that this sort of occurence proves that god does not exist. Christianity isn't the only religion, and even then there are plenty of interpretations of Christianity. Even if this sort of action disproved one group's idea of the nature of god, it would not disprove the existence of god.
 
2006-10-21 08:25:42 PM  
Stupid spoiled brat.

Obviously her parents didn't teach her that there are consequences that go along with actions.

Because we all know that when you're rich you dont have to deal with consequences because money will solve everything.

/sarcasm
 
2006-10-21 08:26:27 PM  
I think in the case of murder the bereaved's family should decide the punishment to the guilty party.
I suggest the killer should be handed over as a nanny/slave to the victim's husband to help cook and raise the kids.
 
2006-10-21 08:28:55 PM  
Weaver95
Can't have it both ways sparky - either they're able to make all those decisions about their lives or they're not.

Actually, I think that's what untrustworthy is trying to say, if I'm not mistaken. The child is sixteen, and would not be treated as an adult in most situations or circumstances. She does not have all of the rights of an adult--for example, she is considered incapable of signing a legally binding contract. She is considered incapable of making an informed sexual decision. For most criminal proceedings, even, she would not be tried as an adult because they consider sixteen year-olds differently from adults. There are others.

However, in this instance the state wishes to punish her more severely than the punishments to which she'd normally be subject--and not necessarily without good reason. They determine that she is now capable of acting as an adult. I think--think--that he is calling out the exact double standard of which you are accusing him. I'm certain he can correct me if I'm wrong.

Again, all things considered, I understand the drive for this kind of action, but I feel inclined to agree with the basis behind untrustworthy's argument. Is she a child or isn't she? The law would virtually always say that she is, except now. It's interesting, at least.
 
2006-10-21 08:33:58 PM  
EMO sucks
 
2006-10-21 08:37:12 PM  
Another picture (address only because my URL keeps getting thrown out, dunno why):

http://www.hostimage.org/376803.jpg.html


We're a rather resourceful lot, aren't we?
 
2006-10-21 08:41:08 PM  
It's like two ships that crash in the night.

/thank you I'm here all week
 
2006-10-21 08:45:26 PM  
Boortz has been harping on this story for two weeks. His comments are still in his Nealz Newz from Friday.

boortz.com
 
2006-10-21 08:48:16 PM  
kethares
Sweet, thanks
 
2006-10-21 08:50:17 PM  
screams incomprehensible: My First Thought.
slooser: ZOMG SO VERY VERY HAWT!
 
2006-10-21 08:54:09 PM  
Weaver95 you have this very annoying tendency to pretend that you have set up a logically rigorous argument when in fact you are indulging in some gross fallacy or other for the sake of annoying liberal farkers with your conservative opinions.

In this case you have begged the question of whether abortion is an "adult procedure" (which is an undefined term in this thread, or anywhere else for that matter) in order to paint pro-choicers as hypocrites.

I could go on about how irrational it would be to put the abortion decision in the hands of the parents rather than the mother (after all the less competent the mother is to make such a fundamental decision the more clear it is she shouldn't be a mother), but you really don't care.

(The real 'logic' behind requiring parental consent should become obvious when you consider that virtually no prochoicers support parental consent, and I'm sure all pro-lifes do. It's just another strategy to limiting the right to abortion for the sake of limiting the right to abortion.)
 
2006-10-21 09:00:32 PM  
What a self-centered farking c*nt. The brat needs about 10 years of intensive torture followed by a slow feeding to the crocodiles.
 
2006-10-21 09:01:00 PM  
The age of consent here in GA is 16, so she could have sex with anyone 16 or older that she chooses to.

As for the being tried as an adult issue...

http://www.ifes.ge/files/laws/criminal_code.html

Art. 35. Incompetence based on Age

Unlawful action stipulated by criminal law will not be assigned as guilt to a person who while committing the crime had not reached the age of fourteen years.

A person who has reached the age of fourteen years before committing a crime will be criminally liable for premeditated murder (Article 110), premeditated murder in aggravating circumstances (Article 111), premeditated severe bodily injury (Article 119), premeditated less severe health injury (Article 120), kidnapping or other restriction of another persons liberty (Article 136), rape (Article 145), violent sexual offense (Article 150) theft (Article 182), burglary (Article 183), robbery (Article 184), premeditated damage to property (Article 190.2), terror ( Article 226), hostage taking (Article 228), hooliganism in aggravating circumstances (Article 234.2 and 234.3), theft or robbery of a weapon and explosives (Article 244), damage to roads and transport facilities (Article 263), auto-theft (Article 267), unlawfully obtaining narcotics (Article 281), unlawfully obtaining especially dangerous narcotics (Article 282).


Certain crimes commited are capable of having a minor being tried as an adult. This girls premeditation (as evidenced by her "countdown") is one of those crimes. Murder is another "special circumstance" that allows you to be tried as an adult. The youngest person I personally know of being tried and sentenced as an adult was a 15 year old girl who received a life sentence when her and her BF killed a woman for her unborn child. Cut the baby from the woman while she was dying. She readily admitted to it. Her BF got a death sentence, as in GA you can't legally be sentenced to death unless you are 17.

My best friend and her daughter were shot during a home invasion in 1998. The person that did it? A 16 year old crackhead wanting money for his next rock. My best friend was shot in the stomach, her daughter had a gun set on her jaw and the trigger pulled. She ran next door holding her face on. My best friend died in ICU 5 weeks later, her daughter lived and has went through many reconstructive surgeries. Even better? He was already on ADULT probation for prior offenses. Juvi record as long as your arm.

The DA said his biggest regret was that he couldn't seek the death penalty for the little farker that did it because even though he was 17 at trial (YES, as an adult) he was 16 when he commited the crimes and you have to be 17 to get the death penalty. He met all the criteria (murder, attempted murder, aggravated kidnapping (dragged her daughter down the hall)) to receive death. The guy was sentenced to life without possiblity of parole.

Citation for my friends case? Don't have one. Her name was Valerie McGouirk, the shooting happened on April 1, 1998 in Albany, Georgia (Dougherty County). I tried looking, but couldn't find one.
 
2006-10-21 09:03:32 PM  
www.11alive.com
StrikitRich: Louise Egan Brunstad
/A Less Attractive Picture of her.
 
2006-10-21 09:12:54 PM  
icegryphon: Louise Egan Brunstad
/A Less Attractive Picture of her.


She still looks fairly attractive, in my opinion. She's plain, at worst, and certainly not ugly.
 
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