California is behind Utah! That's unpossible!

/seriously. Bush got like 90% of the popular vote there.

I've always wondered if California attracted dumb people, or just made them dumb once they got there.

blindman

took DC out because didn't have smartness data for it. It did have an IQ value by the way of 95 from the link you provided (which would strengthen the correlation!)

The other interesting think - the correlation of smartness and IQ is negative, so these bozo's and their smartness measure is complete crap. In fact, if I add randomness equal to the annual change in their ranking, then their data is meaningless. But they charge school administrators 800 bucks a pop. Who is smart after all?

As has already been pointed out, the criteria used in this study are complete crap.

procrastin8or Hmmm...14 of top 20 are blue states. coincidence?

Not a coincidence. The first item on their ranking agenda is tax rate.

Suhweeet, so I can move to Arizona to pick up chicks???

/How YOU doin'?

MrToast

Well, whatever the situation may be...I think we can truthfully say that all the treehugging, troop-hating, cindy Sheehan-loving liberals in California really ARE retards after all LOL

>>As has already been pointed out, the criteria used in this study are complete crap.

As long as the people in the dumb states believe the criteria, I think it all still works.

Blindman

IQ versus %pop, with data from here

That IQ list by state and 2004 election results is 100% fake.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp

After reading the article right above this about Massachusetts schools banning tag you would think they would be a lot lower.

marzipanic,7:38 PM.

Can I assume your x axis is age and the y axis is number of household sheep? Or would it be Scalp Hair vs. Timeshare Ownership? Helf me.

Well it doesn't help when the State Superintendant of Schools has been quoted saying something along the lines of "anyone with a BA can teach".

/future music teacher
//planning on staying in AZ

helix400

Actually Blindman is using a version that claims to debunk the link that you provide (but uses the damn same color scheme - idiots). It looks to be a balanced and measured approach, but I can't find the raw underlying data, so can't verify it. The numbers are different from the Snopes link though, as I mentioned in my post above.

WHOOOO!!! Go NJ!!

suck it Newark and Camden haters!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

/PA and NY are teh suck

if you think that those cities contributed anything other than "$s spent on degenerates" in this study, think again.

Sensei: States with large ESL populations are going to do worse -- unless they throw all those kids out of the mix, which I don't see how they can.

I present to you, Virginia, number 6.

qqqq

Sorry - I was diligent in my 1st 2 xplots but got so excited and had a raging clue so forgot. IQ on X-axis. % of population of a state that is black Y axis

How about a map comparing hispanic decent to a states intelligence...

Hey, if black was brought up, why not the other minority.

Okay, you'd have to compare it to school districts terroritory to IQ to the demographics in that area to get the best idea.

marzipanic

Heh, you are right! I'm just so used to debunking the fake IQ list that it's a reaction of mine to post the snopes link.

I've never seen the same color scheme chart used with another set of data. However, I have seen the methodology used to create this list, and it's definitely the best out there. The author of this list mentioned that it's nowhere perfect, but it's a pretty good guess.

Vermont. Yep.


To be fair, the USA is still #14 or so in the world.

Suck it, world. We've got nukes and as soon as we figure out how to use 'em you're GONE!

helix400

I thought your way too - I was quick to jump over blindman. In the end it's a fun discussion.

My concern with the data is 3-fold
1) I can't track down to original sources
2) he estimates IQ from SAT scores (biased sample)
3) blacks have historically underperformed on standardized tests relative to whites for a number of possible reasons. I seem to recall efforts to make standardized tests background-neutral

Goldsfool


Vermont. Yep.


To be fair, the USA is still #14 or so in the world.



that's only because of the mass of 'tards in California and Arizona.

If we could get rid of California, our ranking would shoot up about 5 spots right off the bat.

/lol

marzipanic

A fun discussion that will get any public figure crucified, for better or worse...

Anyway correlation isn't causation and all that jazz.

marzipanic 1) I can't track down to original sources

The site I saw was this: http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQ-States.htm

Personally, I don't think you aren't going to find anything better than this. There are no decent standardized nationwide tests of adults (or near adults) nationwide, so a SAT/ACT combination is probably the closest we'll ever get. Even then, there is bound to be problems with such as list, and that link describes several.

"smartness" equal large teacher pay.

And you'd think that would be an output of the smartness equation, not an input.

Retards.

woo-hoo 11th place! I guess the N really does stand for 'Nowledge..

tbeatty


"smartness" equal large teacher pay.

And you'd think that would be an output of the smartness equation, not an input.

Retards.


and that train of thought (or lack thereof) is part of the reason why you helped your state take dead last.

>>The site I saw was this: http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQ-States.htm

Oregon only placed that high because I couldn't find where to take the test.

Its not saying that us Californions are stupid. Its saying that we dont score well in testings.

That's Mexifornia to you Mr. Smartypants. Just ax any of the 20 million illegals.

I live on the border of Vermont and Mass.

w00t!

Purelilac

Californians made their beds...time to lie in them.

You say it's because of the undereducated farm workers, a lot of whom are probably illegal Mexicans. The reason they are there is because California is so touchy-feely about offending someone in the country illegally that the entire state as a whole doesnt have enough testicular material to account for ONE scrotum.

Or, it could be because the entire state is full of whiny panty-wipes that are more concerned with finding their next pair of Birkenstocks and putting flashy LED lights on their cellphone covers than actually getting an education.

/lived in California for a few years
//you people are some of the whiniest bastages on earth.

>>Its [It's] not saying that us [we] Californions [Californians] are stupid. Its [It's] saying that we dont [don't] score well in testings [on tests (or) under testing].

True.

Whoo-hoo! Florida at #29. That means were exactly half-way to no #1!

Suck it, libs!

>>I live on the border of Vermont and Mass.

Ah, the cusp of brilliance. Well done, sir.

MrToast: >>Its [It's] not saying that us [we] Californions [Californians] are stupid. Its [It's] saying that we dont [don't] score well in testings [on tests (or) under testing].

True.

*golf clap*

MrToast

LMAO! priceless

MrToast FTW!!!!

woohoo, go #8. Is it just me or are all the redneck states in the lower 25?

/der, i'm as inteligint as da next pursun.

tarrant84 [TotalFark]
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: tarrant84: Of course Pennsylvania is up there... we have Pitt, Duquense, Carnegie Mellon, UPenn, Villanova, Bryn Mawr College, Swarthmore, Haverford, Temple, Drexel, Bucknell, Penn State... and a whole bunch of crappy colleges.

Lafayette and Lehigh aren't slouches either. There are several more good liberal arts colleges, too. Muhlenberg, Gettysburg, and Dickinson.

Oh yeah, and Franklin and Marshall.

You know, I tell people back home where I go to college, and I have heard more than once "Never heard of it. Is it a community college?"

>>LMAO! priceless

I meant no harm there, BTW. Just teasing.

worldbeater: "Never heard of it. Is it a community college?"

I get the same response (Williams). Or they ask - "William and Mary...isn't that in Virginia?"

Not a lot of red states in the top 20. Here's the 2004 winners:

1  Vermont        Kerry
2  Massachusetts  Kerry
3  Connecticut    Kerry
4  New Jersey     Kerry
5  Maine          Kerry
6  Virginia       Bush
7  Montana        Bush
8  Wisconsin      Kerry
9  Iowa           Bush
10 Pennsylvania   Kerry
11 Nebraska       Bush
12 New Hampshire  Kerry
13 Minnesota      Kerry
14 Rhode Island   Kerry
15 Kansas         Bush
16 New York       Kerry
17 South Dakota   Bush
18 Maryland       Kerry
19 Wyoming        Bush
20 Idaho          Bush

metal headgear: Here's the 2004 winners:

40% red states.

Not to intimidate anyone, but I was able to figure out the change in rank without using the third column...West Virginia educated, you know

MtLebanonBalogna: That makes me question why so many non-rednecks (i.e., Burghers and Philadelphoids) go to Penn State. Maybe it's just to mix with some locals to "get real?" Y'know, like the suburban white kids are attracted to hip-hop and/or thug culture? Wow, I didn't realize the Yinzers and Philly folks were so open-minded.

I'm a transplant to PA (for work). When I went to Penn State, one-third of the campus was from Philly, another third from da Burgh, and the rest of us from out of state/country. Oh, and I guess you could throw the kids of faculty in with that last third.

/at least it seemed that way

BlindMan

I think your premise is faulty:

So assuming that people at the highest levels of intelligence are at least no MORE likely to be drawn to low paying fields than less intelligent people (a safe assumption) - it would still hold that wealthier people are on average, more intelligent.

Here's a counter argument cited from wiki


link

Intelligence is most commonly measured using IQ tests. These tests are often geared to be good measures of the psychometric variable g (for general intelligence factor), and other tests that measure g (for example, the Armed Forces Qualifying Test and the SAT) also serve as measures of cognitive ability.
All such tests are often called "intelligence tests," though the use of the term "intelligence" is itself controversial. It is clear, however, that performance in these tests correlates with performance in similar life tasks (school grades and to a lower degree college grades). The correlation with many real-world results is lower. For example, while the correlation of IQ with job performance is strong, income is modestly correlated and accumulated wealth is only weakly correlated. The hereditary transmission of wealth via IQ is near zero. As commonly used, "IQ test" denotes any test of cognitive ability, and "IQ" is used as shorthand for scores on tests of cognitive ability. Some critics question the validity of all IQ testing or claim that there are aspects of "intelligence" not reflected in IQ tests. Historically, criticisms of the validity of IQ testing focused primarily on questions of "test bias", which has many related meanings. Several conclusions about tests of cognitive ability are now largely accepted: