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(Toronto Star)   Toronto-area doctor wants all Canadians to forfeit a day's wage to fight AIDS. Apparently, Toronto-area doctors don't realize that not everyone makes $300k/year   (thestar.com) divider line 121
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2006-10-17 03:41:15 PM
Actual headline from the article:

"Canada urged to give day's pay for AIDS"

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't take AIDS for free, let alone pay for it.
 
2006-10-17 05:48:19 PM
That's how socialized medicine works. You pay to get sick.
 
2006-10-17 05:48:25 PM
Everyone should donate at least a day's pay for a good cause once in a while. It's the only way things get done. It is called "doing your part".
 
2006-10-17 05:48:29 PM
...Yeah. Sorry - folks in the Maritimes can not afford to do something like this. Maybe if people stopped the c--k blocking on bringing business, and if the Provincial Government here lowered taxes, it would not be as big of a deal. But as is, a day of wages here is the difference between bills being paid and food on the table.
 
2006-10-17 05:48:58 PM
That's how Jared lost all that weight, you know?
 
2006-10-17 05:49:40 PM
yeah... this is a bad idea


Everyone has AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS!
Everyone has AIDS!

And so this is the end of our story
And everyone is dead from AIDS
It took from me my best friend
My only true pal
My only bright star (he died of AIDS)

Well I'm gonna march on Washington
Lead the fight and charge the brigades
There's a hero inside of all of us
I'll make them see everyone has AIDS

My father (AIDS!)
My sister (AIDS!)
My uncle and my cousin and her best friend (AIDS AIDS AIDS!)
The gays and the straights
And the white and the spades

Everyone has AIDS!
My grandma and my dog 'ol blue (AIDS AIDS AIDS)
The pope has got it and so do you (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
C'mon everybody we got quilting to do (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
We gotta break down these baricades, everyone has
AIDS! x 20
 
2006-10-17 05:49:53 PM
before or after tax? can I deduct the prorated portion of my health insurance premium? eh-here's ten bucks
 
2006-10-17 05:50:11 PM
Jon Snow, I think you're onto something.

"Give up a day's pay or we'll give you AIDS" would probably raise more money.
 
2006-10-17 05:50:41 PM
Amhran: ...Yeah. Sorry - folks in the Maritimes can not afford to do something like this. Maybe if people stopped the c--k blocking on bringing business, and if the Provincial Government here lowered taxes, it would not be as big of a deal. But as is, a day of wages here is the difference between bills being paid and food on the table.

Of course it would be nice if those who could (and hey there are a fair number of those) did.
 
2006-10-17 05:50:56 PM
But thats only 18 bucks in Canadian cash
 
2006-10-17 05:51:00 PM
HA. No damn way.
I get hit up at every turn with people/organizations begging for money. It wears THIN after a while.

/Canadian
 
2006-10-17 05:51:35 PM
In soviet canada...a days wage for a doctor (take home after taxes) is only $25 loonies...which is like $1.65 US.
 
2006-10-17 05:51:56 PM
Amhran

You're not kidding. I may hate the overwhelming conservative element, but at least progress exists here in Cowtown. New Brunswick was in bad shape when I left. Hopefully the new government gets them on track.
 
2006-10-17 05:52:31 PM
All your wage are belong to us.
 
2006-10-17 05:52:41 PM
Why stupid? FTFA it's a Donation, not a forfeit or tax. It's a huge chance to raise money for a cause of saving lives. If you can't afford to give up a single day's wage, don't. If you can? Great. Help find a cure
 
2006-10-17 05:52:50 PM
I thought AIDS was a good thing.
 
2006-10-17 05:53:06 PM
vandelay: Everyone should donate at least a day's pay for a good cause once in a while. It's the only way things get done. It is called "doing your part".

It's also called "having no money."

There's thousands, if not millions, of good causes in the world. You can't fund them all, and making a decree from your ivory tower that "everybody can give one day's pay" for your given cause is the height of arrogance. AIDS isn't a disease that jumps up and bites you on the ass in a public restroom; it is a disease which is spread by partaking in certain risky behaviors (yes, there's people who have it by no fault of their own, but those people are damned rare). Telling people who are already taxed to their eyeballs to pay for medical care for everybody else to pony up a day's pay for a disease spread by behavior, well, it's not a nice thing to do.

Whatever happened to the assumption that your possessions (including your paycheck) belonged to YOU, and YOU are the one who decides where it goes? I guess that idea died when personal responsibility surrendered.
 
2006-10-17 05:54:34 PM
Say what you want about AIDS but it tastes just like Tang...


/so do Ants
 
2006-10-17 05:54:53 PM
Rather than take my wages, why not just prescribe the preventative drug, Noassitol?
 
2006-10-17 05:55:00 PM
Ha ha... good job on the headline.
 
2006-10-17 05:55:08 PM
300K Canadian dollars
=
262K real dollars
 
2006-10-17 05:55:37 PM
whoa kids, its only a suggestion, not a decree from the canadian government. he's raising a lot of research money. i really don't see how anyone could criticize this.
 
2006-10-17 05:55:40 PM
A doctor convinces people to donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight AIDS. The hero tag would have been far more appropriate.
 
2006-10-17 05:55:47 PM
ya no, I'll keep my money, YOU stop getting aids, problem solved
ps. stop farking monkeys
 
2006-10-17 05:56:43 PM
Maybe if people would stop humping everything in sight, This would be less of a problem. AIDS is preventable. How about donating monet to breat cancer. More die from that than AIDS, yet AIDS gets 10 times the funding...
 
2006-10-17 05:57:18 PM
Yeah,lets dump even more money down the drain in Africa while Mugabe says having sex with virgins cures AIDS...
 
2006-10-17 05:57:39 PM
Gunderson money maybe, but I stole the monet fair and square
 
2006-10-17 05:57:54 PM
I am willing to do this if it would get the US out of debt. fark AIDS though, those people who get it obviously did something to piss god off. Or else he wouldn't punish them. Like homosexuals, those ass tagers deserve AIDS.
 
2006-10-17 05:58:30 PM
strifecat: whoa kids, its only a suggestion, not a decree from the canadian government. he's raising a lot of research money. i really don't see how anyone could criticize this.

It's already been proven by numerous studies and top scientists that research money causes AIDS, Cancer, and Jock-Itch.
 
2006-10-17 05:58:34 PM
Apparently submitter doesn't realize a Canadian doctor doesn't isn't likely to make $300K per year, either.
 
2006-10-17 05:58:44 PM
akula - "Whatever happened to the assumption that your possessions (including your paycheck) belonged to YOU, and YOU are the one who decides where it goes? "


Yep, I agree. Good people decide to donate to worthy causes when they are able. If they don't have money to give, why not donate time? It is part of being a decent human.

BTW, I'm not speaking neccessarily about this AIDS thing, honestly I didn't even RTFA, and I didn't mention it in my post.
 
2006-10-17 05:59:22 PM
Solution to aids.

Execute everyone that has it.

Problem solved.

/I also advocate throwing babies out with the bath water
 
2006-10-17 05:59:24 PM
The amount of good will towards fellow mankind displayed in this thread is heart warming.
 
2006-10-17 06:00:32 PM
vandelay: Everyone should donate at least a day's pay for a good cause once in a while. It's the only way things get done. It is called "doing your part".


Actually, both Canadians and US citizens contribute a significant amount to the research and treatment of AIDS and other diseases through our federal, state and local taxes. Just because that "contribution" to our governments isn't voluntary doesn't mean we aren't "doing our part."
 
2006-10-17 06:01:04 PM
AIDS can be scrambled to speel SAID... I hope this helps...
 
2006-10-17 06:01:07 PM
or, if you feel that execution is too severe, banishment
 
2006-10-17 06:01:14 PM
Gunderson

Your forgetting about kids who got lucky enough to be born with HIV. Also while we're talking about underfunded diseases, how bout lung cancer?

/cue House's rant
 
2006-10-17 06:01:47 PM
when in doubt, excecute them out
 
2006-10-17 06:02:22 PM
justdweezil: Apparently submitter doesn't realize a Canadian doctor doesn't isn't likely to make $300K per year, either.

Right... they get paid in furs and buffalo hides.
 
2006-10-17 06:02:49 PM
So I'm supposed to donate to whoever wants money?

A day's pay for AIDS
A day's pay for breast cancer
A day's pay for hunger victims
A day's pay for flood victims
A day's pay for tsunami victims
A day's pay for MS
A day's pay for my congressman
A day's pay for girl scouts
A day's pay for the Red Cross
A day's pay for Bethesda Mission
A day's pay for PBS
A day's pay for MDA

fark, I'm all out of money.
 
2006-10-17 06:03:04 PM
vat of acid

aids patient

problem solved
 
2006-10-17 06:03:59 PM
QuesoGrande nah they only make $299k instead of $300k
/still wont donate for aids
 
2006-10-17 06:04:33 PM
beer4breakfast

Die in a fire.

/just keepin' it rollin'
 
2006-10-17 06:05:23 PM
What do you call a blonde with AIDS?

A Sexually Stupid Disease.... LOL
 
2006-10-17 06:06:02 PM
Money will not solve all your problems.
 
2006-10-17 06:08:22 PM
vandelay

Wally:
Alice, have you fulfilled your obligation to society?

Alice: Yes. I signed up for payroll deduction. I like to give. I'm morally superior to Dilbert.

Dilbert: That is so illogical. As long as there are starving people in the world you can't have money in the bank and still claim to be moral.

Alice: There is ample precedent for my behavior. It is completely societally appropriate to give only as much as one can afford.

Dilbert: You just bought six pairs of shoes that look exactly the same.

Alice: That came out of my shoe budget.

Wally: Don't rock the boat, Dilbert. It's a fragile system.

Dilbert: That shoe money could have fed a poor family for a year. What's so moral about letting people starve to death so that you can have extra shoes?

Wally: Stop it. You're ruining everything.

Dilbert: I mean, until you give it all AWAY you're not more moral. You just feel less guilty.
 
2006-10-17 06:09:45 PM
AndEhBus I think Stupid Tramp Disease works better
 
2006-10-17 06:09:52 PM
FTA: "The world is now spending $10 billion a month to fight the war in Iraq and Afghanistan," said Lewis. "In all of 2005 we raised $8.3 billion from every source worldwide to fight AIDS."

The "world", huh? Be nice if the rest of the farkers would pick up a fair share of the check.
 
2006-10-17 06:10:16 PM
neonrisk: Money will not solve all your problems.

Come on, that's like saying beer can't power your car or taking a shower won't make your asshole stop stinking like shiat.
 
2006-10-17 06:11:12 PM
nytmare: So I'm supposed to donate to whoever wants money?

A day's pay for AIDS
A day's pay for breast cancer
A day's pay for hunger victims
A day's pay for flood victims
A day's pay for tsunami victims
A day's pay for MS
A day's pay for my congressman
A day's pay for girl scouts
A day's pay for the Red Cross
A day's pay for Bethesda Mission
A day's pay for PBS
A day's pay for MDA

fark, I'm all out of money.


No, they all make their case, and you donate to whomever you want when your heart moves you to donate.

It's pretty sad that some people are filled with righteous indignation because NPOs are asking for money to *gasp* help people.
 
2006-10-17 06:12:46 PM
Gunderson

Maybe if people would stop humping everything in sight, This would be less of a problem. AIDS is preventable. How about donating monet to breat cancer. More die from that than AIDS, yet AIDS gets 10 times the funding...

r tard. People live in many different countries on this planet. AIDS > Breast cancer
 
2006-10-17 06:13:58 PM
Is it just me or is this thread the dumbest conversation filled halfway with people who have their fingers in their ears? One side basically says that you should give, another side says they don't have money and this is stupid, of course the first says that while you should give it is not mandatory and you should only give as much as you can afford to.

Where is the problem here?

Though I would say fight a cause that is less preventable and more fatal. Not that I do not feel for AIDS victims but, until we can get a vaccine or a cure to AIDS, Africa will not be majorly impacted and people in developed nations should be using condoms properly and researching their potential partners a little better. It will not be fought, and there is plenty of funding for finding a cure as is.
 
2006-10-17 06:15:07 PM
My money is best spent on me, thank you very much.
 
2006-10-17 06:18:06 PM
atleast you can't get cancer because you're easy/slutty
 
2006-10-17 06:18:29 PM
sun in canada?
 
2006-10-17 06:20:59 PM
www.moviezine.se
YAY!
 
2006-10-17 06:22:43 PM
I already have a cure for aids. Test everybody for aids, then whoever has it, send them to baffin island so that they can't give it to anyone else. The end.

It's not like this is polio we're dealing with. It's a freakin STD. Wear a Condom and don't share needles or use public toilets. I'm sick of hearing about aids. Screw Aids.
 
2006-10-17 06:24:13 PM
If you don't give anything, don't feel too bad. You already gave 30% of your money to the government, which gives part of it to the AIDS people directly, so you're already doing your bit.
 
2006-10-17 06:24:26 PM
Reed Solomon: already have a cure for aids. Test everybody for aids, then whoever has it, send them to baffin island so that they can't give it to anyone else. The end.

It's not like this is polio we're dealing with. It's a freakin STD. Wear a Condom and don't share needles or use public toilets. I'm sick of hearing about aids. Screw Aids.


Exactly. All those thousands of babies born with HIV each year, it's their fault.
 
2006-10-17 06:24:50 PM
Executing them all is too harsh. Move them into colonies and give them a comfortable life until they die. They can even fark each other in there. In 20 years the number of AIDS infected individuals will be drastically reduced. Wear a jimmy hat or get 'relocated'.
 
2006-10-17 06:24:57 PM
How about canadians forfeit farking people they aren't in a committed relationship with, to fight aids?

/No that's just too crazy.
 
2006-10-17 06:27:35 PM
Babies aren't spontaneously born with HIV. The irresponsible adults are the ones that cause that problem. Now -those- are the ones that need to be executed.
 
2006-10-17 06:28:25 PM
Earth shrugs and says "Don't bother, there is too damn many of you humans anyway. (Grumble grumble) monkeys couldn't do the deed, what's next, birds? cows? I know, I'll get the Americans to reactivate the Spanish Flu - good choice!"
 
2006-10-17 06:28:47 PM
I can't believe there's people trying to envoke sympathy for something that for the most part is preventable
1. don't fark african monkeys
2. wear a rubber
3. don't share needles
4. don't be a vampire
seems pretty simple and straight forward to me
 
2006-10-17 06:29:04 PM
Analy Inflicted Death Sentence
A.I.D.S.

/M.O.D
 
2006-10-17 06:31:10 PM
Incetardis
I may hate the overwhelming conservative element, but at least progress exists here in Cowtown.

If by progress you mean a runaway economy that the PC government neither planned nor prepared for and which will inevitably crash, then I guess that's accurate. I grew up in Alberta and I remember the oil bust of the early 80s. All those people with big new houses (mortgages), shiny new cars (loans), and cabins and boats (more loans), will be facing tough times at some point in the future. Here's hoping that at least some people learned their lesson the last time around.
 
2006-10-17 06:31:32 PM
beer4breakfast

Exactly. All those thousands of babies born with HIV each year, it's their fault.


And I care.. why exactly?

Guess what, I don't feel compassion. From a realistic point of view, if you get rid of everyone with aids, then nobody else will get aids. Send them all to Baffin Island and let them fark each other as much as they want until they die. I don't care. Boo hoo babies born with HIV. Their parents weren't that smart if they're having kids with HIV. Screw em.

Compassion is for losers.
 
2006-10-17 06:31:46 PM
Everytime I see money donated to AIDS research I can't help but think how the money IMO would be better spent on researching cancer or alzheimer's. Those diseases have many not to well understood causes...AIDS is very easy to prevent. If you get aids then you failed to take certain precautions(unless you're one of the very few unlucky ones to get it from a bad transfusion or something of that nature). There's a big difference in you got AIDS and in you developed cancer. Peoples bad choices come second to those who didn't have a choice in the matter.
 
2006-10-17 06:32:05 PM
I wonder how many CEO's of big PHARMA COMPANIES would be willing to chip in? You know, those guys that say they need those high drug prices to pay for the "research" but the money really gets pissed away on multimillion-dollar advertising campaigns for "boner pills" and the 1,238th version of "Zoloft"

Pricks....
 
2006-10-17 06:35:56 PM
$300K Canadian is what, like $50K US?

/nada
 
2006-10-17 06:37:23 PM
"Whatever happened to the assumption that your possessions (including your paycheck) belonged to YOU, and YOU are the one who decides where it goes? I guess that idea died when personal responsibility surrendered."

No that pretty much dies everytime I receive the net amount in my account after the government's finished with it
 
2006-10-17 06:38:10 PM
submitter: Apparently, Toronto-area doctors don't realize that not everyone makes $300k/year

In other words, submitter thinks only people making that much, who just so happen to be less likely to get the disease in the first place, should bear 100% of the expense.

fark off submitter. Try and show a little more control than the average simian.
 
2006-10-17 06:40:14 PM
scotttothety

fark off submitter. Try and show a little more control than the average simian.

Isn't that what started the whole aids thing, lack of simian control?
 
2006-10-17 06:43:21 PM
Reed Solomon: Isn't that what started the whole aids thing, lack of simian control?

That's what I hear. Although some would have you believe that it only gets spread to innocent wives whose husbands cheated on them or some shiat like that.

/i know you were joking, but we all know how it spreads
//let 'em die, who gives a shiat
 
2006-10-17 06:43:38 PM
scotttothety I'd put some retort here for your lame point but it'd be waaaaay to simian for you
 
2006-10-17 06:45:14 PM
Der Poopflinger: I'd put some retort here for your lame point but it'd be waaaaay to simian for you

No, let's have it. Explain to me why a disease that is damn near 100% preventable should receive funding over diseases such as breast cancer that can strike at random and for no cause whatsoever.
 
2006-10-17 06:45:28 PM
Amhran, why is it that I find out about girls like you in Halifax only AFTER I move away from the city?
 
2006-10-17 06:47:10 PM
scotttothety actually I was just being a jackass, if you look at my previous posts you'd see I'm anti-aids funding
 
2006-10-17 06:48:49 PM
Seems to me that Gates and Buffet have a good bit of my money and have already stated their intent to go after this problem in Africa.

Long as they don't give it to any first generation druggies ...
actual conversation between working person with profiled unclean street person with bad track marks...

"you want me to give you money? You street level chronic, your in my way, you give me a quarter for getting in the way of progress..."
 
2006-10-17 06:48:49 PM
Der Poopflinger: actually I was just being a jackass, if you look at my previous posts you'd see I'm anti-aids funding

I was just about to say that.

Post before reading. It's a way of life.
 
2006-10-17 06:51:39 PM
scotttothety you could read before posting, but that takes the adventure out of it
 
2006-10-17 06:52:47 PM
Sure, no problem.

Today i made $0.

You can have all of that!
 
2006-10-17 06:59:11 PM
The Canadian doctor has a median revenue of approx CAN $450k.
I don't know how much is left after expenses; a baseless guess would put it at CAN$200k.
 
2006-10-17 07:02:00 PM
Why not increase the tax by 1/(# of working days)? Oh yeah, because people don't like taxes.
 
2006-10-17 07:05:13 PM
try living in BC and see what happens if you want to impose that, we'll get angry, then get stoned, then get angry again, AND then write you some very angry emails and letters
 
2006-10-17 07:06:58 PM
Well whatever. I've read Stephen Lewis' book and I believe in this cause. I gave the $110. It's not much but it's the right thing for me, which is all that matters.
 
2006-10-17 07:07:25 PM
I am a Canadian, and I won't donate a day's worth of pay to fight AIDS. Here's why...

Aids is preventable. The amount of cases that are discovered in a year in the First World are tiny compared to new cases of cancer (leukemia, bone, etc. not smoking induced lung cancer and the like), war, disaster, or a spectrum of other things that can harm or kill a human.

AIDS research will do NOTHING to prevent the disease in Third World places like Africa. Africa has a problem because the people there are too ignorant to know that sharing drugs and unprotected sex with multiple partners can spread (not cause) AIDS. Even worse is the misinformation that people over there believe. In Africa a lot of men believe that they can cure themselves of AIDS by raping a virgin. Why do they believe that? Because the local witch doctors and shamans told them. Fighting the disease does nothing for these people. Education is the only thing that will help them. Spend this money attacking the root problems of Africa, and AIDS will die out.
 
2006-10-17 07:07:58 PM
Here's how I fight AIDS: I don't engage in at-risk behavior. (But one person not spreading the disease doesn't do much to counteract a lot of people spreading it.)

That said, I think it's a slippery slope when you get into language of "X is preventable, therefore it doesn't warrant as much attention/sympathy/resolution as Y, which strikes at random." It could get dicey if you start applying such rhetoric to "legitimate" conditions in which personal responsibility still may have played a factor -- For instance, let's say Joe gets lung cancer. He smokes 4 ppd but also has a genetic marker for it; it's cancer, so it's worthy of more sympathy than a deadly STD?

(I know AIDS has other etiologic factors besides sexual transmission; it's not a patient's fault if the blood transfusion was tainted, etc. Also, I know the lung cancer example probably isn't a good one -- Farkers understandably tend not to sympathize with smokers or obese people when it comes to the health effects of unhealthy behavior.)

I agree w/ GuyCaballero re: donate to whatever moves you.

/I'm not directing this comment at scotttothety specifically.
//slashies enable thoughtful discussion, I hope
 
2006-10-17 07:17:06 PM
Cure for AIDS/HIV:

If you have it STOP F**king and sharing needles and donating blood.

If you don't have it make sure not of F**k someone who does or use a shared needle.

Wait 35 years.

AIDS is cured.
 
2006-10-17 07:20:15 PM
Don't stop donating blood. Nobody is going to get AIDS from giving blood.
 
2006-10-17 07:21:14 PM
I meant by everyone having it dieing of the desease.
 
2006-10-17 07:21:32 PM
Education is the key. If we taught every kid in highschool (or elementary school) how AIDS is actually spread and things we can do to NOT SPREAD IT, then that's half the battle right there. We need to educate the, uh, ignorant people of the world as well. "Ignorant" as in the dictionary definition of the word, not the insult.
 
2006-10-17 07:25:44 PM
and yet no one has bothered to ask magic johnson...
 
2006-10-17 07:28:15 PM
Oh, I thought the headline was a rip on this story.

/crazy shiat
 
2006-10-17 07:28:44 PM
sn0wblind ya because his johnson wasn't as magic as he advertised
 
2006-10-17 07:34:48 PM
Der Poopflinger
atleast you can't get cancer because you're easy/slutty

Actually you can. Most, if not all, forms of cervical cancer are caused by HPV, which you get from being, as you say, easy/slutty.

One of my best friends growing up contracted HIV/AIDS from tainted blood products. He was a haemophiliac, and the stuff he needed to live was contaminated. I'll donate in his memory.
 
2006-10-17 07:39:45 PM
Hey, you-idiot...."Education is the key. If we taught every kid in highschool (or elementary school) how AIDS is actually spread and things we can do to NOT SPREAD IT, then that's half the battle right there."

Good plan, just like teaching them about not using drugs and safe sex........that's why we have so many teen druggies, unwed teen moms, and kids with STDs.

/Sorry, but the damn kids just don't listen
//Well, many of them don't
///AAARRRGGGHHHH, this is so farking frustrating
 
2006-10-17 08:17:51 PM
I try and do my part

wzus.ask.com
 
2006-10-17 08:36:08 PM
I will keep my days pay and raise you a box of condoms...much cheaper and just as effective.
 
2006-10-17 09:10:11 PM
I suppose we could always just start diverting some of the money we're throwing away keeping the infected alive, especially in 3rd world countries. Let's actually use that money to research an actual cure.

If people are serious about solving the problem, then use that money wisely. If you cure it the walking dead we are currently throwing dollar bills at may actually have a chance at something other than infecting a few more people.
 
2006-10-17 09:14:40 PM
No need to give money. Our government already has lots to spare. What's needed is a kick in the pants for a Prime Minister whose reaction to an AIDS conference was to run away to Nunavut.
 
2006-10-17 09:18:33 PM
I'm doing my part to help reduce overpopulation by NOT contributing to any cause that will save lives (saving lives is *so* overrated).

However, doing any more than that would be over-doing it, so I don't contribute to any cause that would help reduce overpopulation either.
 
2006-10-17 09:24:30 PM
Day_Old_Dutchie

I wonder how many CEO's of big PHARMA COMPANIES would be willing to chip in? You know, those guys that say they need those high drug prices to pay for the "research" but the money really gets pissed away on multimillion-dollar advertising campaigns for "boner pills" and the 1,238th version of "Zoloft"

Pricks....


So your contention is that they advertise for these products and don't make money? And your other contention is that research is not expensive?

Antibiotic research is very important and difficult to find ones that work well.
 
2006-10-17 09:30:58 PM
Hogwasher

No need to give money. Our government already has lots to spare. What's needed is a kick in the pants for a Prime Minister whose reaction to an AIDS conference was to run away to Nunavut.

Like he wouldn't have gotten booed for not being a socialist. You didn't vote for him anyways. Quit biatching. I don't whine when Jack Layton doesn't show up at the Rich Corporatists Society benefit for overtaxed white folks.
 
2006-10-17 09:34:23 PM
What's that in American money, about $400k?
 
2006-10-17 09:45:09 PM
I do my share to fight AIDS. I use a condom and don't do drugs. If everyone were me, in 20 years all the people who had AIDS will be dead and we'll be free to fark at will. Just keep a bottle of Levoquin handy for the occasional post penile drip.
 
2006-10-17 09:46:18 PM
Save me Jebus. I think i need to slap a fat chick.
 
2006-10-17 09:54:16 PM
Amazing. Most doctors do NOT make $300k/year...
... but this article from TODAY'S Cnn.com shows that the average Wall Street paycheck is nearly that amount.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/10/17/news/newsmakers/bc.financial.wallstreet.pay.re ut/index.htm?cnn=yes

Food for thought.

-TF
 
2006-10-17 10:03:00 PM
Part of the issue with teenage education is that the brains of children have not fully developed yet; while they can absorb information and analyze from the ages of 12-18, they are much less able to integrate themselves into what they learn. Most teens can be taught risk, but a significant subset cannot understand how to properly behave with respect to risk until their early to mid-20's. This is the developmental basis for the excessive risk-taking behavior seen in many teenagers.

Education can teach those that are developmentally ready for it how to safely approach sex. It can teach those that aren't ready, but they're not going to do what they're taught. Because parents don't watch kids all the time, sex will happen, and AIDS will happen. Blaming the kids who can't properly frame the consequences of their actions is kind of like blaming toddlers for getting into household chemicals under the sink and poisoning themselves.

That said, most people don't know that if you are willing and able to adhere strictly to a regimen of high activity antiretroviral therapy (HAART), and I mean strictly - never missing one of many pills per day, ever, for the rest of your life - AIDS is likely not a death sentence for you. It can't be cured yet, but it can be postponed indefinitely, for the right (very high) price.
 
2006-10-17 10:04:47 PM
First, let the medicos find and produce an effective cure/vaccine for an incredibly SIMPLE virus, like, oh, say, the common cold (Rhinoviruses).....

THEN, and only then will I consider throwing money at research for HIV (one of the most complex, mutating, variable virus the human race has ever encountered) to be anything other than a huge waste of resources that would far better be directed at USEFUL causes, like cancer/diabetes research. HIV doesn't even make the top ten list of causes of death in first world countries. And personally, I find enough worthy causes to donate to within my own country.

Heart disease
Stroke
Lung cancer
Lower respiratory infections
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)
Colon and rectum cancers
Alzheimer's disease and other dementias
Type 2 diabetes
Breast cancer
Stomach cancer
 
2006-10-17 11:01:28 PM
Who really give a fark about AIDS anyway.
 
2006-10-17 11:04:04 PM
The libertarian stance on social healthcare is one of the most disgusting and, I believe, inhumane stances people can take. Also, it is one of the worst long-term choices one can take.

It's in the whole society's interest that everyone is healthy, not just the individuals. This is a case of where an ounce of prevention is worth 100 pounds of cure.
 
2006-10-17 11:06:43 PM
Do you people realize that the only reason you can, today, sit here and say "Fighting AIDS is so simple" is because very smart and very well intentioned people spent a lot of time and money figuring this stuff out for you?

You forget, 20 years ago, people didn't freaking know what a retrovirus was.
20 years ago, people didn't know that AIDS could taint the red cross blood supply.
People didn't know that you could stop AIDS by wearing a condom, or that you could get it by sharing needles. People thought only gay people could give it to other gay people.

You know why this all seems so simple to us now? You know why, for educated people, AIDS is a low threat to the western world? Because we've been doing the work, and putting the billions into it, and making the discoveries that it takes to nip this in the bud.

You people only get to say "fighting AIDS is so simple" because 20 years of hard, well funded research, the very research you're sitting here arguing against, has told you so.

/Quit your biatching
//ante up your share
///Lets finish the job, then move on.
 
2006-10-17 11:55:04 PM
I'm sure every struggle to fight every disease could be thought of as a waste of time until it gets results, if results are the means by which many people judge the validity of medical research. It begs the question of whether you can really know the usefulness of research from the very beginning, since you cannot predict a complex future with complete accuracy--particularly when the future might bring complex things we can't even fathom now.
 
2006-10-18 12:22:46 AM
Nuuu: ///Lets finish the job, then move on.

Beautifully put.
 
2006-10-18 12:54:48 AM
AndEhBus: What do you call a blonde with AIDS?

A Sexually Stupid Disease.... LOL


this comment belongs in the Paris Hilton/Palm tree thread
 
2006-10-18 01:02:02 AM
Canadian healthcare workers do not make shiat. My wife was a nurse there before coming to the states. She had to take a bunch more classes here but now makes nearly six figures.

/I ain't complaining
 
2006-10-18 04:20:13 AM
Not everyone contracts AIDS through unsafe sex or shared needles. There are those who contracted it through contaminated blood products...people like Ryan White & Elizabeth Glaser (and her children).

Ryan White

Elizabeth Glaser
 
rp.
2006-10-18 08:21:22 AM
Dilbert: I mean, until you give it all AWAY you're not more moral. You just feel less guilty.

Repeated for truth.
 
2006-10-18 11:25:06 AM
1) CDN$/US$ = 0.87/1.0 (so $10 Canadian is worth about $8.70 US)

2) It IS unrealistic to expect everyone to give up a day's wages, so why not $1 per person? That's still almost $30,000,000

3) When a friend of yours dies (or 10, or 20, or 30) from AIDS, it's not so funny anymore.
 
2006-10-19 12:06:20 AM
Nuu well said!
 
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