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2006-10-14 01:49:09 PM
So what I'm wondering is how 20 vehicles could get damaged? Gasoline and diesel are instantly differentiable by the smell. I guess if it was a big gas station and 20 cars filled up at once...
 
2006-10-14 01:49:49 PM
Been there Done that. My friend and I were getting gas from a buddy who own a small bus company. The pumps were not marked and he used the Diesel fuel instead. The engine sputtered while we where driving it then after it was stopped it would not start again. All they had to do though was flush the system.
I also know someone who put gas into a deisel car(old 80's car when they were trying deisel in cars) They engine blew right away.

Deisel in a gas engine shouldn't combust causing it to stall flusing the system should fix it. Gas in a diesel will cause it to combust to early making it "reverse" usally busting the piston rod and possibly more.
 
2006-10-14 01:56:54 PM
olddinosaur: If you have a Wankel you can run it on anything that is handy: Gasoline, diesel, kerosene, cleaning fluid, or seven or eight kinds of alcohol.

No valves equals nothing in there to break, at worst you might foul a plug.

But you have hell to pay keeping the seal intact between the rotary piston and the cylinder wall; they don't last long.


Yep, those apex seals are the weak link. I've heard that if you have an RX-7, don't turn the engine off while it's cold as you might get unburnt carbon wedged between the seals. Never would have expected it to run well on various hydrocarbons though since I assumed it was a more delicate engine anyways.

I keep meaning to look online to see what Mazda might have down to make the engine in the RX-8 tro try to solve the seal problem.
 
2006-10-14 01:57:11 PM
does anyone know which contains more energy per litre?

it seems like diesel since it's also used to power jet engines.
 
2006-10-14 01:58:32 PM
For everyone doing intellectual wanking over This Is Bold Text's lawnmower: it not that it merely seems feasible that the lawnmower refused to stop while fueled by diesel, it's an absolute farking fact. Do you know why? Because the guy said it happened that way, and the only other option is that this guy lied on the internet about something his lawnmower did.

Now think about it for a moment, and carefully consider if you want to live in a world where you acknowledge that sometimes people lie over the internet about something their lawnmower does. Sweet MechaChrist, FARKers split hairs about anything.
 
2006-10-14 01:58:34 PM
olddinosaur: If you get a gasoline engine overheated, it will continue to run after it is shut off; this is called "dieseling." The fuel ignites on compression alone, no spark is needed.

I thought modern cars with electronic fuel pumps cut the fuel as well as ignition when you turn it off.
 
2006-10-14 01:59:40 PM
Why don't they use different size thread fittings or hose connections to stop this kind of thing? Dumbass indeed.

BTW: Gos engines have spark plugs cos gas is more volitle but has a higher auto ignition temperature thus compression alone isn't enough to ignite it. diesel is less volitile but will auto ignite at lower temps.

IF you want a demonstration of this, pour some lighter fluid onto a hotplate, it'll just flash off into vapour. Whereas cooking oil will catch alight. conversely, if you add a flame to the lighting fluid it'll ignite instantly, add a match to cold cooking oil, it's likely to go out and not catch.
 
2006-10-14 02:01:26 PM
emerson7: does anyone know which contains more energy per litre?

it seems like diesel since it's also used to power jet engines.


Diesel does. It has a longer carbon chain and hence releases more energy. That's why a Golf TDI gets such good mileage.

I heard about Mercedes offering a direct-injection diesel version of their E320 in Europe that gets around 54mpg.

Lots of interesting developments in diesel engines that overcome what a lot of people don't like about diesels. It's not nearly in the same ballpark as GM's failed diesel attempts in the 80s. Once low-sulfur diesel is required in teh states I hope to see Europe bring over some of their diesel cars.
 
2006-10-14 02:02:17 PM
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2006-10-14 02:04:34 PM
emerson7: it seems like diesel since it's also used to power jet engines.

I just caught this. Jet engines run on diesel? I'd be curious to see a link for a jet engine that does. Jet engines run on a mix of various compounds but the base fuel is kerosene.
 
2006-10-14 02:05:42 PM
Serge A. Storms: For everyone doing intellectual wanking over This Is Bold Text's lawnmower: it not that it merely seems feasible that the lawnmower refused to stop while fueled by diesel, it's an absolute farking fact. Do you know why? Because the guy said it happened that way, and the only other option is that this guy lied on the internet about something his lawnmower did.

Yeah, and some Farkers say Salma Hayek has pointy knees.
 
2006-10-14 02:05:48 PM
You know a story is big if it happens in Moosup but makes the papers in Norwich. I bet it's the talk of Plainfield too.
 
2006-10-14 02:08:03 PM
skankboy

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Anyone who actually types out "oh snap!" is a tard.


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2006-10-14 02:11:52 PM
beer4breakfast, lying about being too good for Salma Hayek is like lying about how much alcohol you can drink: it makes you look like a "big man". What the hell does lying about your lawnmower gain you?
 
2006-10-14 02:16:37 PM
Diesel in a gas engine will overheat it, assuming that there was still some gas in the tank and lines to get the engine going. A couple of idiots at camp have done that to their snowmobiles. Pistons basically welded themselves to the cylinder walls. Gas in a diesel will start but you end up with major detonation problems. There is a good reason that normal pumps at the gas station don't fit the wrong kind of fuel, and the diesel pumps are often set apart from all the gas pumps.
 
2006-10-14 02:16:40 PM
skankboy

how 'bout typing out "Lick my nuts, jerkface"?
 
2006-10-14 02:17:36 PM
olddinosaur: The average diesel engine has a compression ratio of 27:1

I'd be interested in where you're getting your numbers. I've never heard anything even as high as 27:1. The VW TDI is a 19.5:1. I think the old Benz's were 22:1.

As far as gasoline in a diesel engine. You're looking at a pump rebuild. Gasoline is a good solvent, evaporates quickly and will dry out seals. Injection pumps on diesels are lubricated by the diesel. (Which is why low sulphur took so long to get here. The de-sulphuring process removed lubricity.) You're going to dry up all your seals plus have some good wear going on the IP.

Rhawb: Don't diesel pumps not fit into regular gas tanks? Did the guy just spray it in there?

The article is talking about the gas station putting diesel into it's tanks. This has nothing to do with nozzle size. However to answer your question. Diesel handles come in 2 sizes. The Semi size and the 'car' size. The newer VW's won't fit the Semi size and if you ever pick one up you'll definitely know you have one.

However these are pretty rare at normal gas stations for the auto diesel pumps. Most of the time that I've seen them are at very rural stations where they have 1 diesel pump with 2 handles, one big one small. On my car it usually takes longer to fill up. The first 10 gallons go in in about 30 seconds, however diesel likes to foam so the last 4 gallons take forever.

SlappyKincaid: I used to own a Diesel car and the engine would run on Diesel and in an emergency Gasoline or Kerosene

I'd be very interested in what car you had. I've never heard of such a thing. Now if you still had diesel in the tank and just 'cut' it with gasoline I'd believe it. An old trick that farmer's would use would be using up to 20% Kerosene or Gasoline in the winter to keep the gel point of the diesel up. But never running straight on the gasoline.

olddinosaur: and if you put gasoline in a diesel engine, it will blow sky high.

I've never heard of any diesel engine 'blowing sky high' on the forums. Just IP problems which usually don't show themselves until much later.

j_moriarty: I remember watching something on TV about trucks they use to put out and repair oil-well fires. They said if the gas concentration was too high, it'd get sucked into the truck's air intake, causing it to rev out of control. That sounds like fun.

This is why you're never supposed to use starting fluid on diesel engines. Diesels don't have a throttle plate and so they let in as much air as the turbo can provide and let the amount of diesel injected control the RPM. Now if you take a volatile fluid and put that in the air stream, there's no way to control the RPM because the diesel is detonating in addition to the fuel introduced into the air stream. So if you got high enough concentrations of stuff in the air stream, there really is no way to control the engine.

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2006-10-14 02:21:38 PM
I knew a guy that put regular fuel in a Kenworth tanker truck once. Saddle tank was probly 1/3 to 1/2 full of diesel when he did it, so the mix was like 1/2 to 2/3 gasoline. He only drove it about a quarter mile, it was blowing really thick white smoke & running like crap. Shut it off. Drained the tank, refilled it with diesel, still ran like crap. Several thousand dollars and an engine rebuild later it ran fine. Gasoline is NOT god for a diesel engine.
 
2006-10-14 02:35:06 PM
Diesel engines use glowplugs.
 
2006-10-14 02:39:53 PM
diesel uses compression. The glow plug is only there to warm the cylinder when it's cold.
Had they put gasoline in the diesel tank the results would have been worse.

I had a little diesel VW Rabbit, and I remember filling up one time. when I went in to pay, the cashier looked at me wide-eyed and said" Do you know you just filled up on diesel?" I just laughed and said I hoped so and walked out.
 
2006-10-14 02:40:24 PM
I have to concur with the poster above who commented on why nobody recognized the difference in smell.

You only need to smell diesel once, and you'll never forget it. Even if you aren't "expecting" the smell (ie thinking you're pumping unleaded), you should still notice something is wrong. Added to that, if there's even the remotest drop of it on the pump handle, you can feel the difference in texture. Unlike unleaded, which evaporates, diesel will linger around, become gritty, etc.

In other words, the people who didn't notice are plain ignoarant about their vehicles. I tihnk everyone should have to pass a basic general-knowledge test about how cars work before they get a driver's lisence.
 
2006-10-14 02:40:39 PM
Riche: What would diesel do to a gas engine, anyway?

Well, for one, diesel will ruin catalytic converters.
For two, it can cause heavy damage due to detonation (knock/ping).


It's my understanding that diesel is a bit more oily and less volitle than gas

Yes. While it is less volatile, however, it is very low octane, meaning that it does not resist spontaneous combustion well. Diesel engines don't even have spark plugs, diesel ignites sheerly by the heat of compression (which is why This Is Bold's lawnmower wouldn't turn off; the engine in his mower turns off by turning off the ignition, not the fuel injectors. But if the fuel doesn't need spark to ignite...)

Diesel inside a gasoline engine will ignite before the spark plug sparks, while the pistons are still traveling upwards. The force of the combustion presses down while the crankshaft tries to push up, which puts huge stresses on piston connecting rods. Highly stressful, and can cause massive engine failure. If a conrod breaks the piston will cause major havoc inside the engine and do plenty of damage before the engine siezes.
 
2006-10-14 02:41:36 PM
When I worked at Halliburton they advised me, if you put gasoline into a diesel, it wil rev out of control, and blow the engine.

The last comp ratio I checked was 27:1 for a Mercedes 240 D.

It is not the type of statistic which crops up every day.

BTW, Halliburton doesn't lock the tanks on their trucks, the caps just screw off, and their gasoline pumps usually have only a $7 Master padlock on them, easily removed with a bolt cutters. Since a Halliburton pump truck goes for about $500,000 new, it would be an expensive mistake if someone introduced gasoline in the diesel tanks.

Of course I am only making note of this in passing mind you; I am sure Halliburton is such a well-beloved company and Farkers are such nice people, they would never think of doing anything like that.
 
2006-10-14 02:42:40 PM
I was at a gas station once and a guy was at the pump on the other side from me. He was filling up a U-Haul. I brought it to his attention that there was a sticker over his gas cap that said "DIESEL ONLY". He wasn't happy. I still wonder whether they tried to drive it, or if they called U-Haul and explained the situation.
 
2006-10-14 02:45:15 PM
Serge A. Storms: Now think about it for a moment, and carefully consider if you want to live in a world where you acknowledge that sometimes people lie over the internet about something their lawnmower does.

If you knew anything about the topic being discussed you might realize why it is feasible that this did, in fact, happen.
 
2006-10-14 02:50:27 PM
This sounds like the tanker delivery driver was the fark-up and loaded the underground tank with diesel. Sue the distributor for hiring stupid/inattentive/distracted/impaired drivers.
 
2006-10-14 02:50:28 PM
someone put gasoline in my 85 190d benz (diesel) when I was in college,

I already had about 5 gallons of diesel in the tank, whoever added it added about 5 gallons of gas in,

I drove at least 15 miles from school to work and from work to home beforeit died on me on the freeway on the way home,

I t started driving fine when I left school and 2-3 miles into to my trip I felt I was loosing power

I stopped and checked waht i icould everything seemed fine so I drive to nearest auto parts and bought some diesel injection cleaner.

made it to work alright, still hesitant but drivable, I taught it was then engine dying on it since it had 220k miles on it already.

car ended up dying on the way home, 3 miles from work


after we figured what had happend, we ended up replacing one of the injections pumps, hoses, and some other seals, as well as draining the whole fuel system

after $500 and about a month at our shop , the car drove just as before, but it had a diesel leak on top of the motor that we could never figure out, had to wipe the diesel off once a week since I didnt want a risk of it to detonate.

Never figured who and where put gas in my tank, I know it wasnt me since I always went to empty when I refueled, and no one ever borrowed the car...
 
2006-10-14 02:53:03 PM
Whole Foods is Wal Mart: She also may have had a quarter tank of unleaded gas in the tank so the car ran on the mix for awhile causing more damage.

This is what they did in the show:

http://fifthgear.five.tv/jsp/5gmain.jsp?lnk=401&section=Consumer&show=s9e9&fea tureid=372&description=What's%20in%20your%20tank?
 
2006-10-14 02:58:42 PM
MiamiChef: I think it is closer to 25%

You're both wrong. Only 1 out of 4 Americans are retarded.
 
2006-10-14 03:00:29 PM
One winter some idiots stole some diesel from me, obviously thinking it was gas.

I got my revenge watching them try and start their car at -30F.
 
2006-10-14 03:05:34 PM
I own an RX-8 and think that my engine could run off piss if it had to ...
 
2006-10-14 03:07:03 PM
That's weird. I heard the statistic was 5 out of every 20...
 
2006-10-14 03:08:01 PM
And a lot of you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to retarded Americans! It isn't 1 in 4, 25% or 5 out of 20 -- it is a quarter. Geesh.
 
2006-10-14 03:08:29 PM
Gortex
I tihnk everyone should have to pass a basic general-knowledge test about how cars work before they get a driver's lisence.

While we're at it, let's make everyone pass a basic general-knowledge test about spelling and grammar before allowing them to use internet forums.
 
2006-10-14 03:13:08 PM
I rented a diesel cube van once. The guy before me put gasoline in it. I don't know what the gas/deisel ratio was, but the truck ran like shiat. lots of white smoke and I could only drive around the parking lot very slowly.

They gave me another truck.
 
2006-10-14 03:15:51 PM
haha you silly rotary guys, you and your seal leaks and other nonsense.
 
2006-10-14 03:21:28 PM
lolz fun with fractions is fun. Lolz 1/4, no 2/8, no 21/84, no 25%, lol it's so fun. I like quarters best. Lol it's so fun!
 
2006-10-14 03:23:59 PM
While we're at it, let's make everyone pass a basic general-knowledge test about spelling and grammar before allowing them to use internet forums.

Since we're on the subject, let's also test for future Grammar Nazis and restrict them so that they can only log in between 2am and 3am.
 
2006-10-14 03:24:51 PM
haha you silly rotary guys, you and your seal leaks and other nonsense.

Hey, my rotary engine comes apart in six pieces -- how many pieces does your piston engine have?
 
2006-10-14 03:27:29 PM
I was in a boat (28 footer) between two islands when we ran out of gas. My buddie says, "don't worry, I have a gas can with enough to get us to shore." He puts it in, and we're ok for about a minute before the engine sputters out. Right then we recognize the distict smell of diesel, not regular. It turns out that his dumbass dad had put diesel in it.

No radio on the boat, and it had just turned nighttime. It was so damn cold, we were in the middle of a channel with a strong current, and weather was blowing big ass waves over the boat. Strait of Juan De Fuca in Puget Sound, Washington. It was like some Perfect Storm shiate. We had to sleep on the boat the entire night before help came. Thought we were going to die.

The moral: don't put diesel where regular should go.
 
2006-10-14 03:31:29 PM
olddinosaur:

BTW, Halliburton doesn't lock the tanks on their trucks, the caps just screw off, and their gasoline pumps usually have only a $7 Master padlock on them, easily removed with a bolt cutters. Since a Halliburton pump truck goes for about $500,000 new, it would be an expensive mistake if someone introduced gasoline in the diesel tanks.



What does Halliburton care? They'll just put it on the tab for the US taxpayers to pay. With 'cost-plus' billing and accounting, they dont have any incentive to prevent something like that. Just ring up another half million dollars from the chump taxpayers. Who cares?
 
2006-10-14 03:37:18 PM
Gawdzila, I think you're misunderstanding me. I'm not raving about how it couldn't have possibly happened, I'm raving about how stupid it is to disbelieve someone who claims their lawnmower wouldn't shut off on diesel, because I think it's ridiculous that someone might lie about such a thing.

So the short version: I do think it's feasible that it happened; in fact I'm absolutely certain it happened, because I can think of no possible reason why someone would lie about lawnmowers over the internet, nor do I want to think of such a reason.

Unless what you're saying is that you think it's feasible that This Is Bold Text actually did lie about the lawnmower, in which case I would love to hear of whatever reason makes you suspect he would do such a thing.
 
2006-10-14 03:37:42 PM
Woot! Norwich CT in the hizzay. Represent, son!

/from the streets of the East Side
 
2006-10-14 03:50:51 PM
!!one quarter of all Americans are retarded!!

I beg to differ! This is implying there are ONLY 75 million retarded people in America.
 
2006-10-14 04:01:54 PM
Serge A. Storms: Unless what you're saying is that you think it's feasible that This Is Bold Text actually did lie about the lawnmower, in which case I would love to hear of whatever reason makes you suspect he would do such a thing.


No, you're right, I just misunderstood you. I have no clue why anyone would lie about a lawnmower.
 
2006-10-14 04:01:56 PM
I maintain that you are all wrong and that 75% or nearly three-fourths of all Americans show little to no discernable signs of mental retardation.

Factiod: Four-thirds of all Americans do not understand fractions.

/slashie
 
2006-10-14 04:03:38 PM
eye yam we told did:

I maintain that you are all wrong and that 75% or nearly three-fourths of all Americans show little to no discernable signs of mental retardation.



Think of how dumb the average American is. Now realize that half the people in America are dumber than that person.
 
2006-10-14 04:05:17 PM
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2006-10-14 04:06:05 PM
Goodfella

**Eye Yam stares off into space with a droolet on his chin.**
 
2006-10-14 04:59:14 PM
Kerosene in a lawnmower engine is also much fun.
 
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