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(Inside Bay Area)   "Lost" is being ruined by hardcore geeks obsessed with its mythology. Obvious tag explodes into 108 fragments, scattering in the shape of a question mark   (insidebayarea.com) divider line 357
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2006-10-12 10:53:50 AM  
You mean just like they ruined The Matrix?

/runs from thread
 
2006-10-12 11:02:39 AM  
Isn't part of the definition of being a "hardcore geek" that you take what for most people is a passing interest and blow it up into something of mythically exaggerated proportions?
 
2006-10-12 11:03:39 AM  
I completely disagree with the author. Lost has a little for everyone. Just because he prefers the character drama over the other aspects of the show doesn't mean we all should.

Critics - making money by stating insignificant value judgements. It's a nice racket.
 
2006-10-12 11:03:42 AM  
NikolaiFarkoff: You mean just like they ruined The Matrix?


The Matrix was great.

I choose to ignore the other two movies.

Fark the Wachowski Brothers.
 
2006-10-12 11:04:40 AM  
sounds like he is overanalysing the overanalysers. get a life dude.
 
2006-10-12 11:06:29 AM  
Lost isn't being ruined by the geeks.

It's being ruined by the writers.
 
2006-10-12 11:14:07 AM  
Diogenes: I completely disagree with the author. Lost has a little for everyone. Just because he prefers the character drama over the other aspects of the show doesn't mean we all should.

Exactly. I'm obsessed over the mythology, but my girlfriend loves the cast and their character stories.

I thought last night's episode was excellent, BTW. Not only some of the best flashbacks we've had in a while, but just an all around fun, action-oriented episode. And Benry's such a wonderfully manipulative b*stard.
 
2006-10-12 11:15:51 AM  
NikolaiFarkoff: You mean just like they ruined The Matrix?

I want my money back from the last two.

I mean the first one was all "Dark City" but no dorky mind bullets and stuff and the second one was all, like, huh, he just did what? But the third one was just plain god-awful. I kept thinking that if god was truly compassionate he would strike ME dead rather than watch another moment of that crap-fest.
 
2006-10-12 11:17:17 AM  
I mean the first one was all "Dark City" but no dorky mind bullets and stuff

Uh, everything in the Matrix was mind-bullets.
 
2006-10-12 11:21:17 AM  
kronicfeld: Uh, everything in the Matrix was mind-bullets.

uhhh, damnit, you're right, again.

but dark city's mind bullets were 'specially dorky.
 
2006-10-12 11:21:28 AM  
Damn, I didn't know people were that psycho over this. It's going to fizzle out just like The X-Files as even the writers lose track of all the horse hockey.

The first Matrix was a blatent plaigerism of about a half dozen other science fiction sources but it was still cool. I don't get the hate people have towards the second one. That one actually had a couple original thoughts in it. The third one was shiat however.
 
2006-10-12 11:29:36 AM  
GavinTheAlmighty: Lost isn't being ruined by the geeks. It's being ruined by the writers.

Truer words were never spoken. That's what happens when you make a mystery show and write it on the fly.

Fark it, bring back Carnivale. Beautiful series.
 
2006-10-12 11:40:00 AM  
KrunkSplein

Someone (was it you, bales?) explained to me that the Lost writers were ordered to slow down the plot a bit (i.e. add more twists) to make it run longer because it was so popular, and because the "average viewer" couldn't keep up with it.
 
2006-10-12 11:49:43 AM  
GavinTheAlmighty: Someone (was it you, bales?) explained to me that the Lost writers were ordered to slow down the plot a bit (i.e. add more twists) to make it run longer because it was so popular, and because the "average viewer" couldn't keep up with it.


Hmmm. I can't keep up with it because it's getting so slow. When they start a plotline and leave it hanging for 6 or 8 weeks, you forget what was going on anyway by the time they decide to wrap it up.
 
2006-10-12 11:50:37 AM  
I'll still watch Lost, at least for a while, to see if they can live up to the promise shown in the first season. The most unfortunate thing is that ABC will try to milk it for all it's worth, instead of letting it reach a real end.

Conversely, Carnivale was deliberately paced, was predetermined to last six seasons, each of which was already planned out in terms of overall plot points. The acting was outstanding, the story compelling - but I digress. This isn't a Carnivale thread.

I still love Kate.
 
2006-10-12 11:57:40 AM  
Dark City is better than the Matrix!
 
2006-10-12 12:03:34 PM  
Gaboo

I loved the first season. I really liked the fact that it was a survivalist drama. I thought the character development was excellent and the acting pretty fair for television. I just think that now, they're trying to do too much with it. A hatch in the ground was pushing it for me, but all these twists are just ruining it. Back stories are getting to be too complex for me to care.

When the main storyline was survival, I was very impressed. The stories were much more character-centric. Who actually cared when Michelle Rodriguez or Cynthia Watros got shot? Well, aside from the fact that I have a major major boner for Rodriguez. People liked the fact that Sawyer was a jerk and Locke was a survivalist and Jack a leader. Now, it seems like the conflict is much more outward, and I just don't care about that.

I might be alone, but this could have been wrapped up in three seasons without "The Others". The writers are trying to get me to care about too many mysteries, and I just don't.
 
2006-10-12 12:04:21 PM  
Mind bullets?

That's telekinesis, Kyle.
 
2006-10-12 12:04:45 PM  
When the main storyline was survival, I was very impressed. The stories were much more character-centric. For example, they put so much time and drama into Ian Somerhalder's death that you actually felt bad for him and Maggie Grace!

Insert: the second season changed that

Who actually cared when Michelle Rodriguez or Cynthia Watros got shot?
 
2006-10-12 12:10:16 PM  
GavinTheAlmighty: explained to me that the Lost writers were ordered to slow down the plot a bit (i.e. add more twists) to make it run longer because it was so popular, and because the "average viewer" couldn't keep up with it.

no, it wasn't me, but that pisses me off! why must our entertainment be watered down to the lowest common denominator?

this is one of the things that made carnivale so good. also, it is why they were cancelled.
 
2006-10-12 12:23:38 PM  
NikolaiFarkoff: Mind bullets?

That's telekinesis, Kyle.


Ha. You reign supreme.

As for the show, I'll still watch it but when people ask me about it I tell them it's not worth it. There will never be a satisfactory payoff at the end of the show. I'm reminded of ALIAS.
 
2006-10-12 01:18:04 PM  
submitter: "Lost" is being ruined by hardcore geeks obsessed with its mythology. [abject absence of plot development, coherence, competent acting]

Better.
 
2006-10-12 01:34:15 PM  
NikolaiFarkoff: You mean just like they ruined The Matrix?

/runs from thread



No, the Matrix always sucked.

/jumps in car and speeds away from thread as fast as possible
 
wil [TotalFark]
2006-10-12 01:43:09 PM  
NikolaiFarkoff: Mind bullets?

That's telekinesis, Kyle.


That's also known as the power . . . to move you.
 
2006-10-12 02:37:14 PM  
Nerd complaining about nerds. Meh.
 
2006-10-12 02:38:10 PM  
I don't think The Matrix is a good analogy. I think Twin Peaks is a better one.
 
2006-10-12 02:38:14 PM  
Lost has jumped the shark. It's just a stupid show that shows us a million stupid sub-plots that make no sense what-so-ever. You all will burn in hell. Yes.
 
2006-10-12 02:38:34 PM  
No shiat, what gave that away, Sherlock...?


/ more Kate
// now
 
2006-10-12 02:38:51 PM  
Bandman614

The Matrix was great.

I choose to ignore the other two movies.


What other two movies?
 
2006-10-12 02:39:02 PM  
bales [TotalFark]

no, it wasn't me, but that pisses me off! why must our entertainment be watered down to the lowest common denominator?


Because there is no money to be made catering to only the people with an IQ greater than their shoe size?
 
2006-10-12 02:39:23 PM  
Pff. The characters are the bad part of Lost. The mystery is great, but I couldn't care less if Jack and Kate both offed it. (It seems to be a recurring problem with TV shows these days--the main characters are just plain annoying, while the side characters with minimal screen time are the more interesting and compelling, i.e. Hurley, Jin and Sun (got more time last episode), and Eko.)
 
2006-10-12 02:40:14 PM  
I am so sick of the flashbacks. Did we really need. yet. another. Jin. and. Sun. flashback. to. drag. on. for. an. entire. hour.
 
2006-10-12 02:40:31 PM  
I have a feeling that Jericho has ruined Lost. Its the new "give me a nugget of info and keep me glued to the seat" show. As long as it keeps progressing and Lost doesn't, Lost will lose an audience.

They dont' compete head to head, but it will be a Star Trek/Star Wars kinda of debate.
 
2006-10-12 02:41:28 PM  
What is worse?

Somebody who goes through the trouble of trying to interpret "Lost," or someone who goes through the trouble of trying to interpret the people who go thought the trouble of trying to interpreting "Lost."

/Ironic Tag?
 
2006-10-12 02:41:51 PM  
How are they ruining it? They pause and do screencaps and flip over little details, but it doesn't get them any closer to the 'big mystery.' Where is the ruin?

In my opinion it's getting to be too much like real life. The more you know, the more you know you don't know squat. Every 'answer' has a hundred questions in it.
 
2006-10-12 02:42:20 PM  
Okay, so I've never wathed a single episode of Lost, and for the most part, I hate television (exceptions being the Office, Nip/Tuck, Rescue Me, Ninja Warrior...).

Should I really bother trying to rent a dvd or two and watch it?
 
2006-10-12 02:42:55 PM  
WATCHED, dammit, WATCHED!
 
2006-10-12 02:43:12 PM  
Clint Zombie

save your time, the whole show is a hack that is made up as it goes along.
 
2006-10-12 02:43:14 PM  
Never seen it, nor do I have a desire to...
 
2006-10-12 02:43:40 PM  

Should I really bother trying to rent a dvd or two and watch it?



No. You may as well start collecting comic books for the sheer volume of catching-up that you'd have to do.

Fark it. Just look at stills of Kate.


/ more Kate
// now
 
2006-10-12 02:43:46 PM  
Krunk Splein

The most unfortunate thing is that ABC will try to milk it for all it's worth, instead of letting it reach a real end.

That's what kills ALL good TV. There was a good article in EW about that a few issues ago, that basically all good TV series degenerate because the networks don't want to lose their cash cow but the writers/creator/etc. are basically done.

Think about what happened to The West Wing when Aaron Sorkin left. That really sums it up perfectly.
 
2006-10-12 02:43:48 PM  
Ya know I was mildly intrigued when I first started wtaching it, and then got genuinely curious about what the authors were doing.

However I'm almost ready to turn it off for good after watchingthe first couple episodes this season. So far they make me think the writers got stuck, so decided to watch a marathon of old Prisoner episodes with pen and paper in hand.
 
2006-10-12 02:44:00 PM  
threadjackers have ruined what was supposed to point out the obvious ...Lost ....Sucks...Balls !!!1
 
2006-10-12 02:44:13 PM  
Why all the Matrix 3 hate?

I can't think of anything more exciting than watching people in Mech suits shoot at a hole in the ceiling for 45 minutes.
 
2006-10-12 02:44:13 PM  
Can someone give me a brief synopsis of what exactly makes this show so fascinating?
 
2006-10-12 02:44:56 PM  
It entertains me for an hour, and Kate has a great ass. I'm a simple man.
 
2006-10-12 02:45:04 PM  
I'm almost done with the first season box set of Lost. Can't decide whether to get the second season or bail while I only have 20 hours of sunk opportunity cost.

To those who have followed it all the way through to the present season, do they ever find the mysterious source of seismic activity on the island that causes the camera to lurch around like a Special Olympics medalist who failed the doping test? I was hoping that subplot would have been resolved by now.
 
2006-10-12 02:45:12 PM  
Still the best show evar.
 
2006-10-12 02:45:44 PM  
Did no one watching Lost see "Alias?" If they did, this would come as no surprise. I gave up on Alias because of this exact same crap - the writers CLEARLY making it up as they went along and not even bothering to pretend there's a master plan.

Not to mention how the entire third season was a complete waste of time which served NO purpose except, in the end, to functionally erase the on-so-idiotic season 2 cliffhanger from continuity.

This is exactly what I predicted from Lost when I first heard about it and why I've refused to watch it.

PS - see also "X-Files, The"
 
2006-10-12 02:45:52 PM  
Never seen it, hopefully never will.
 
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