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Pollexabator		2006-10-05 12:03:24 PM

It's just WAAAY too much fun in here today.

/good thing it wasn't a Blazing Saddles reference, huh? ;-)
//'scuse me while I whip this out

SchlingFo		2006-10-05 12:03:30 PM

Asteron,

LOL ... you really aught to read up on the history of the region so you can realize how ridiculous that statement is.

I'm well aware of the bad blood between Japan and China.

I'm also well aware that most people can recognize the difference between a jab in jest and a mean-spirited attack.

I'm aware that people might be sensitive to jokes for a while after something bad happens to them. I'm probably not going to quote lines from Deliverance to some dude who was just butt-plundered.

But, and most people will agree, this article and the amusing tag it most definitely deserved, is nothing to get worked up about :)

Tatsuma		2006-10-05 12:03:30 PM

heap: i guess even a beating across the brow with the humor stick isn't going to diffuse your indignation.

He wasn't making a joke, he was completely serious.

If I see a random black person and I say "Watermelon" and she says no and I say "What, but you black people are always eating that shiat!", I'm just cracking jokes? And there's no such things as racist jokes?

heap		2006-10-05 12:03:35 PM

Tatsuma: How is this NOT about racism/discrimination?

because she was a daffy biatch, and going off on a multi-comment tangent over the usage of a 54x11px gif describing that daffyness is about as transparent of a soapbox as you're going to find?

prodigyking		2006-10-05 12:03:35 PM

Tats
"I was at the grocery store a few months ago and I had like, 42 cents of change and I told the cashier to keep it. He said "Oh, I thought you people were more careful about money""

He was referring to you buying the matzoballs at full price, clown!

Cheeseburger		2006-10-05 12:03:52 PM

Persepolis:

How are we "injecting" racism and discrimination into a story about a bar not letting in a woman because she looked jewish?

She looks like a friggin albino^^^^^^^^^

cooplege		2006-10-05 12:04:17 PM

2006-10-05 11:37:18 AM thew0rm

farking druids. Sow plz.

HAHA! You, sir, are a winner in my little world.

/new keyboard please

black_knight		2006-10-05 12:04:35 PM

I didn't know they had the Good Ol' Boy Club in Australia...

Persepolis		2006-10-05 12:05:30 PM

Cheeseburger: She looks like a friggin albino^^^^^^^^^

So, that negates both the headline and the article saying that she was believed to be jewish?

binnster		2006-10-05 12:05:43 PM

Tatsuma

How can I be racist, I've got Jewish/Black/Mexican/Chinese friends!

I was only saying that this does not look like the case of racism that nutjobwoman claims it is.

Ugh. Ok then, I give up, obviously this is a clear-cut case of racism and they are barring all Jews from the premises *except* for the ones that work there. Happy now?

heap		2006-10-05 12:05:51 PM

Tatsuma: He wasn't making a joke

i was. i was not referring to the comment you received, but my statement, and your inability to even acknowledge humor in favor of pulpit pounding.

SchlingFo		2006-10-05 12:06:02 PM

Tatsuma,

people saying discrimination is funny

Discrimination can be funny.

Blazing Saddles is a perfect example of that.

TommyDeuce		2006-10-05 12:06:04 PM

pink freud writes:

"Modern Druids are on the same level as mormons, scientologists and other wackjobs."

Yeah, but they get the "Call Lightning" spell at 5th level, while Mormons only get the so-so feat "Invest with Wisdom", which is a crock, since Wisdom isn't their primary stat.

mrsirjojo		2006-10-05 12:06:10 PM

Persepolis: mrsirjojo: Wait, so the article makes it clear that she was not allowed in because she was taken for Jewish, specifically, or because, being taken for Jewish, she was therefore not a Druid?

Fark headline: Melbourne bar wouldn't let in a Druid priestess because she looks Jewish

Article Summary from the article: A SELF-PROFESSED druid priestess has said a Melbourne bar refused to let her in because of her age and the mistaken belief that she was Jewish.

Why don't you re-read what I wrote...more slowly, if it helps.

Whatsyourangle		2006-10-05 12:06:32 PM

Now you see that evil will always triumph...because good is dumb.

herne		2006-10-05 12:06:39 PM

Tatsuma: This is a story about a bar not letting a woman enter because they thought she was Jewish

How is this NOT about racism/discrimination?

No, this is a story about a woman claiming that despite most facts.

Jean-Puc_Licard		2006-10-05 12:07:01 PM

She wasn't prevented from entering the nightclub because she "looked jewish".

She wasn't allowed into the nightclub at 1.30 in the morning. Then when she got mouthy with the bouncers both sides made presumptions about the others religious background. The bouncer asked if her necklace was a jewish symbol and she told him she was a pagan and presumed that as he was an islander (or maori or whatever) that he was one too.

Then she did a ritual and they all laughed at her.

Nobody here is saying it's ok to be anti semitic.

She's a pissed off attention whore trying to deflect from the fact that she's a terrible mother who lets her 15 year old son go to bars until the wee hours.

WzDD		2006-10-05 12:07:08 PM

Persepolis, I think it's amusing that you are all about fighting discrimination, and yet you are quick to denounce an entire country in your Boobies without even reading the article. If you'd read it you would notice that while the woman claims religious discrimination, the guard disagrees. Given the other kooky things the woman said it's far more likely she made that up, too.

editorinquief		2006-10-05 12:07:13 PM

pink freud

Modern Druids are on the same level as mormons, scientologists and other wackjobs.

Please explain how you've come to this conclusion.

testify		2006-10-05 12:07:36 PM

Cheeseburger

She looks like a friggin albino^^^^^^^^^

If she was a black lesbian as well as being a Jewish albino we could get some proper knee jerk reactionism going on around here...

mandrsn1		2006-10-05 12:07:38 PM

Tatsuma
I'm going to assume you made a sarcastic post-modern comment about ignorance in the Western societies and how it translate into asinine comments destined toward the wrong individuals, rather than you being completely farking ignorant.

Yes, you can be sarcastic without using slashes to explain. Plus its funny to see people flip out if they believe what you say.

WzDD		2006-10-05 12:07:54 PM

Hehe. Those must be big boobies.

Persepolis		2006-10-05 12:08:17 PM

mrsirjojo: Why don't you re-read what I wrote...more slowly, if it helps.

Then I have to admit, you have to rephrase it, because I don't see your point. (i'm not trying to be an ass, I really don't know what you're saying here)

She was thought to be jewish.... She wasn't let into the bar... This got an amusing tag. That's what I'm saying.

Raccoon Dog		2006-10-05 12:08:17 PM

Tatsuma: If I see a random black person and I say "Watermelon" and she says no and I say "What, but you black people are always eating that shiat!", I'm just cracking jokes?

It depends on how you say it.

Joey Jeremiah		2006-10-05 12:08:52 PM

Tatsuma:
A few days ago, I was minding my business and someone yelled "Dirty jew!" to me.
I was at the grocery store a few months ago and I had like, 42 cents of change and I told the cashier to keep it. He said "Oh, I thought you people were more careful about money"

I'm going to be in Montreal this weekend. So, um, where in Montreal should I go so I can share in this fun?

Gaijin Merc		2006-10-05 12:09:45 PM

They'd let this guy in:

/Studied abroad in Melbourne last year

phatface		2006-10-05 12:10:26 PM

Persepolis and Tatsuma: no no no....i think You two have focused on one or two sentences in the article, that two people don't even agree what was said anyway, but made fodder for a perfectly riculous headline, and made some kind of token issue out of a deliciously Farkable not news item.

like their is a shortage of serious flamewars to take our persecution complexes to?

prodigyking		2006-10-05 12:10:34 PM

Tatsuma: If I see a random black person and I say "Watermelon" and she says no and I say "What, but you black people are always eating that shiat!", I'm just cracking jokes?

"All these years, I thought I liked chicken because it was delicious. Turns out I'm genetically predisposed to liking chicken!"

Persepolis		2006-10-05 12:10:38 PM

WzDD: Persepolis, I think it's amusing that you are all about fighting discrimination, and yet you are quick to denounce an entire country in your Boobies without even reading the article. If you'd read it you would notice that while the woman claims religious discrimination, the guard disagrees. Given the other kooky things the woman said it's far more likely she made that up, too.

I did read the article, and my Boobies still stands. I didn't say ALL australians are racist. I didn't say the country of australia is a racist country. I said, I've heard of issues before of a problem with horrible discrimination (even leading to violence) there, so it's not entirely shocking.

Much like, I hate it when people say all muslims are terrorists, but I understand that when say a jewish temple blows up, that people wouldn't be suprised if a muslim did it.

testify		2006-10-05 12:11:08 PM

Jean-Puc_Licard

Nobody here is saying it's ok to be anti semitic.

"Semitic" encompasses both Arabs and Jews, so actually people here regularily say its okay to be anti-semitic. Have we had our two minute Iran hate today yet?

mrsirjojo		2006-10-05 12:11:25 PM

Persepolis: mrsirjojo: Why don't you re-read what I wrote...more slowly, if it helps.

Then I have to admit, you have to rephrase it, because I don't see your point. (i'm not trying to be an ass, I really don't know what you're saying here)

She was thought to be jewish.... She wasn't let into the bar... This got an amusing tag. That's what I'm saying.

What I said was, how can you prove. or why have you assumed, she was not allowed in the bar because she was Jewish, rather than simply a non-Druid?

Persepolis		2006-10-05 12:11:53 PM

phatface: Persepolis and Tatsuma: no no no....i think You two have focused on one or two sentences in the article, that two people don't even agree what was said anyway, but made fodder for a perfectly riculous headline, and made some kind of token issue out of a deliciously Farkable not news item.

like their is a shortage of serious flamewars to take our persecution complexes to?

I'm just throwing out my opinion here. I would have been long gone from this thread if people just let is stand, but people keep asking us to redefine what we're saying, or trying to refute what we're saying.

Raccoon Dog		2006-10-05 12:12:44 PM

Joey Jeremiah: I'm going to be in Montreal this weekend. So, um, where in Montreal should I go so I can share in this fun?

Degrassi Jr High, maybe?

Tatsuma		2006-10-05 12:13:13 PM

Joey Jeremiah: I'm going to be in Montreal this weekend. So, um, where in Montreal should I go so I can share in this fun?

Pretty much anywhere, actually.

If you want REAL fun, though, try it outside Montreal. Quebec City, for example, is demographically 99% white, french-canadian and catholic, according to newspapers. According to the same survey, 30% of the people in Quebec City think there are too many immigrants in their town.

You'd have a ball. And Quebec is open-minded compared to the backwater regions.

Persepolis		2006-10-05 12:13:30 PM

mrsirjojo: What I said was, how can you prove. or why have you assumed, she was not allowed in the bar because she was Jewish, rather than simply a non-Druid?

Again, read the headline here, then read the summary sentence in the article.

And either way, either she was thought to be jewish, or thought to be a non druid. She was denied access to the bar because of her percieved religion. how is that not discrimination?

SchlingFo		2006-10-05 12:13:40 PM

Persepolis,

She was thought to be jewish.... She wasn't let into the bar... This got an amusing tag. That's what I'm saying.

When racists can't get their races right, it's funny.

If I'm walking down the street and somebody yells at me, calling me a dirty ni**er, I'm going to laugh my ass off and then proceed to call and tell my friends so they can laugh as well.

herne		2006-10-05 12:14:17 PM

mrsirjojo: What I said was, how can you prove. or why have you assumed, she was not allowed in the bar because she was Jewish, rather than simply a non-Druid?

I don't even think this is some kind of 'all-Druid lounge'.

Tatsuma		2006-10-05 12:15:12 PM

Oh yeah, and Joey, when someone tells you "the town's black family", they literally mean the only black family in town.

testify: "Semitic" encompasses both Arabs and Jews, so actually people here regularily say its okay to be anti-semitic. Have we had our two minute Iran hate today yet?

ah fark.

Christ this pisses me off. Anti-Semetic is not the antonym of semetic.

muck4doo		2006-10-05 12:15:19 PM

Asinine tag would have been better.

/That's all.

demonlag		2006-10-05 12:15:40 PM

Man, I hate being a druid. It is always "Stand in the back", "Heal me you nub", "Innervate the priest!".

/WoW
//60 Warrior, Hunter, and Druid, almost a 60 Rogue.
///Have more fun with the druid than any other class
////Making a total (slashie!) mockery of this woman's plight.

Persepolis		2006-10-05 12:15:47 PM

SchlingFo: When racists can't get their races right, it's funny.

If I'm walking down the street and somebody yells at me, calling me a dirty ni**er, I'm going to laugh my ass off and then proceed to call and tell my friends so they can laugh as well.

I see what you're saying. But the fact remains he could have gotten it right. In other words, yeah the dude who called you a nubian is stupid, but he could have said that to a real black person (And in your case, he thought he did)

It's still discrimination, I think it's based on intent, not accuracy.

Tatsuma		2006-10-05 12:16:43 PM

muck4doo: Asinine tag would have been better.

/That's all.

Exactly. And we wouldn't have had that trainwreck of a thread.

Cheeseburger		2006-10-05 12:18:19 PM

Persepolis:

She was denied access to the bar because of her percieved religion.

Is being an ass a religion?

Joey Jeremiah		2006-10-05 12:18:41 PM

Tat:
What a small world! I think I know that family. Their son works as the concierge of my mother-in-law's condo in the Cavendish area.

/He's an Ethiopian Jew
//Black Jews are cool

Algebrat		2006-10-05 12:19:05 PM

Tatsuma:
A few days ago, I was minding my business and someone yelled "Dirty jew!" to me. So, according to you, it's acceptable since there was no physical violence and it was not a mob around me screaming it, just two guys in a car?

No, not particularly acceptable. Happened to me a few times too though, and in the US I thought it was pretty funny. When I was a kid in the USSR however, getting pushed around and having shiat whispered in my ear all the damn time for years on end wasn't very funny.

All I'm saying is, there is a fundumental difference. In one setting, making fun of someone over looking Jewish is no different from making fun of them over being tall or short. In another, it may be abusive in all the worst ways. One doesn't lead to the other. Europe got antisemetic because a visible ethnic minority was introduced into a racial homogeny, not because people failed to curtail any particular sort of behavior. 600 years later, they're having the same reaction to the latest arab migration.

The US is very ethnically and religiously diverse. There is one prevailing homogeny however, and it's heterosexuality. Which makes that my one "dude, this shiat isn't funny" exception.

testify		2006-10-05 12:19:54 PM

Tatsuma [TotalFark]

Christ this pisses me off. Anti-Semetic is not the antonym of semetic.

Strictly speaking, it is. Against Shem. It matters not a whit that the common parlance has changed it into something racial, not that, as I mentioned, there is any real racial difference between an average Arab and an average Jew.

But hey, don't let that stop your beard in the sky telling you all to battle it out, or waste stunning amounts of time debating the finer points of the Zohar.

/lol

Persepolis		2006-10-05 12:19:57 PM

Cheeseburger: Is being an ass a religion?

No, just a side effect. Still, she alleges discrimination. And apparently it's a valid enough complaint to warrent the australian government to look into it.

ets2104		2006-10-05 12:20:58 PM

She was denied access to the bar because she made an ass out of herself. Obviously a 51-year old woman who can perform an "evoking the guardians" ritual in front of other adults with a straight face has serious mental issues. Clubs discriminate against old people and people who don't seem "cool." I'm pretty sure this lady fit both categories. Discrimination my ass. This deserves the > tag.

SchlingFo		2006-10-05 12:21:10 PM

Persepolis,

I see what you're saying. But the fact remains he could have gotten it right. In other words, yeah the dude who called you a nubian is stupid, but he could have said that to a real black person (And in your case, he thought he did)

It's still discrimination, I think it's based on intent, not accuracy.

But, he didn't.

If a bunch of Neo-nazis try to fire-bomb a synagogue but accidentally blow up their own house instead, we'd all be laughing about it.

Because, discrimination and racism can be funny. Discrimination and racism boil down to stupidity, and stupid people tend to make for good laughs for Farkers.

You and Tatsuma have said that discrimination and racism can never be funny.

I find it hard to believe that, with the existence of "Blazing Saddles" and pretty much every other Mel Brooks movie, anyone can say that discrimination/racism is never funny.