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2006-10-01 04:18:53 AM
The American Library Association (ALA), who compiled the list for their Banned Book Week, said there were more than 3,000 attempts to remove the books from libraries and schools between 2000 and 2005.

Idiots...


...unless they were trying to make room for some decent fiction, of course.
elitist>
 
2006-10-01 05:48:24 AM
Why can't people grasp that banning books is a bad thing?
/see; no qualifier
 
2006-10-01 06:56:10 AM
Funny thing is, Harry Potter is basically a Jesus figure.
 
2006-10-01 07:29:37 AM
Hahahaha
 
2006-10-01 08:34:03 AM
That's how we solve the energy crisis - we power generators by burning books! Hooray! Go USA!

/I'll bet the people who ban these books haven't even read them
 
2006-10-01 08:50:31 AM
farked after 5 comments, nice job. how about running a server behind some bandwidth or maybe on a better platform
 
2006-10-01 08:51:13 AM
Damn, those witch hunts "are" real!

/scary
 
2006-10-01 08:51:21 AM
Only in Jesusland
 
2006-10-01 08:51:31 AM
um, no actual banning, right? just assholes TRYING to ban books.
 
2006-10-01 08:53:17 AM
...Other authors on the list include John Steinbeck, for racism, violent language and sexism in Of Mice and Men, Harper Lee for To Kill a Mocking-Bird and William Golding for Lord of the Flies...

*bangs head on desk*
 
2006-10-01 08:53:21 AM
JK's blue eyes were just fantastic and the green she has is even better.
 
2006-10-01 08:53:57 AM
Meh. It's been done before.
 
2006-10-01 08:54:05 AM
The Potter books DO cast a spell over children! How else could she get kids to line up at libraries and bookstores on the day the new one is released? Kids voluntarily reading a 600+ page book in summertime? That's POWERFUL magic!
 
2006-10-01 08:54:41 AM
BigDamn
I suspect these attempts are made by people who are regarded as somewhat cranky, even by Mississippi standards.

Now the campaigns against books like Heather Has Two Mommies do have a bit more "oomph" behind them.
 
2006-10-01 08:54:48 AM
My 7th grade English class read Of Mice And Men. Good book.

Lord of the Flies was shiat tho.

Remember, the book burning will be at 8pm on Tuesday after prayer from 8am to 6pm and the Nazi meeting from 6pm to 8pm.
 
2006-10-01 08:55:42 AM
I wonder how many people who are trying to ban these books have actually read them? Sounds to me like a bunch of busy bodies that are bored with their lives and need something to kick the dust up around them. Unfortunaely that usually ends with other people choking on that dust.
 
2006-10-01 08:56:26 AM
Once again we here hearing about "banned" books. Sounds to me like someones more interested in generating some ad money then doing some real reporting.

Rowling said: "As this puts me in the company of Harper Lee, Mark Twain, JD Salinger, William Golding, John Steinbeck and other writers I revere, I take my annual inclusion on the list as a great honour."

Just for the record, no you don't belong on any respectable list with those names.
 
2006-10-01 08:58:19 AM
Now there's an accurate headline!
 
2006-10-01 08:58:28 AM
How many times was it successfully banned? Was it EVAR successfully banned more than, say, a dozen times?

I mean, if we are talking about only 3000 idiots in 3000 school districts in a country of almost 300 million... I like those odds.
 
awr
2006-10-01 08:58:40 AM
I have a quick question for you Yanks. My local library has a copy Mein Kampf floating around, and other rather questionable works. Do you get that in public libraries over there?

/Banning any book book is wrong.
 
2006-10-01 08:58:53 AM
We've all seen Bonanza!
 
2006-10-01 08:59:07 AM

Just for the record, no you don't belong on any respectable list with those names.


Why? Because she writes about wizards and magic and mythical creature in an eternal battle against evil?

I guess JRR Tolkien is just a hack too.
 
2006-10-01 08:59:42 AM
I wonder how many people who are trying to ban these books have actually read them?

Zero, they have trouble with all the big words.
 
2006-10-01 09:00:02 AM
I don't think that they are actually banning the books, (ban Lord of the Flies and Mice of Men wtfkthx). From reading the article, my impression is that it's simply people (radical islamofacist people) writing in to some random (islamofacist) group.
 
2006-10-01 09:01:07 AM
I may only have a SC public school education, but I'm proud to say that many of my required reading novels in school regularly appear on banned book lists: Lord of the Flies, To Kill a Mockingbird, Song of Solomon, The Grapes of Wrath, etc.

/PS--Psst, subby, no libraries pulled Rowling from the shelves. They just received requests from morons.
 
2006-10-01 09:01:35 AM
A lot of library users are nuts. From time to time we notice words crossed out in books as we check them in because someone has taken it upon themselves to be a censor. If we have a display of gay and lesbian fiction for pride week, there's always someone who wants to complain to the chief librarian.

I guess like any field it's a case of the squeaky wheels, and I'm sure the vast majority of users either don't care if some people regard something as objectionable or support the library's efforts to cater to a broad community.
 
2006-10-01 09:01:53 AM
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2006-10-01 09:01:54 AM
I love headlines that accurately capture what the article is about...
/rolls eyes
 
2006-10-01 09:02:12 AM
I'd vote to ban Lord of the Flies.

/Gawd I hated that book.
 
2006-10-01 09:03:00 AM
So you want to know who would challenge/ban Harry Potter?

Click here and scroll down to Challenges by Initiator(pops)

You'll notice that most of the challenges come from "Parents".
 
2006-10-01 09:03:37 AM
I really do hate ALL christians...
 
2006-10-01 09:03:47 AM
DARKSIDED!
 
2006-10-01 09:03:54 AM
"Harry Potter creator JK Rowling has been voted the author Americans most want to ban from libraries over fears that her books promote witchcraft."

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Interrogative
 
2006-10-01 09:04:19 AM
Why do you never hear about a group of outraged citizens trying to ban Mein Kampf.
 
2006-10-01 09:04:31 AM
I say when we ban books, start with those that incite the most violence first...

I can think of two right off the bat.
 
2006-10-01 09:06:39 AM
www.uploadfile.info
Clicky pop for story
 
2006-10-01 09:08:53 AM
yeah, because somehow peaceful practitioners of witchcraft are worse than the ignorant xtian fundie retards trying to ban evrerything.

how about we ban the bible? it contains plenty of offensive content..
 
2006-10-01 09:09:44 AM
Stupid fundies.
 
2006-10-01 09:09:49 AM
Jakevol2: Why do you never hear about a group of outraged citizens trying to ban Mein Kampf.

Wouldn't that cause some sort of Godwin's Law conundrum, therefore tearing a hole in the space/time continuum and taking us all into an alternate dimension or universe where the Nazis won the war and took over the entire world?
 
2006-10-01 09:10:39 AM
Jesus, no one liked lord of the flies. It was great. Kids going around killing eachother. Dead pilot floating around on a parachute. Some truly godawful shiat in there.
 
2006-10-01 09:10:56 AM
Jakevol2: Just for the record, no you don't belong on any respectable list with those names.

Why? Because she writes about wizards and magic and mythical creature in an eternal battle against evil?

I guess JRR Tolkien is just a hack too.



Compared to Steinbeck and Haper Lee- yes, Tolkein was in fact a hack. I'm sorry, but Lord of the Rings isn't in the same category as Mockingbird and most of Stenbeck's books. That's like comparing "New Jack City" to the "Godfather".
 
2006-10-01 09:11:32 AM
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2006-10-01 09:12:00 AM
Howie_Feltersnatch
That's one of the most disgusting images I've ever seen - and I've never even read Rowling
 
2006-10-01 09:12:17 AM
disclaimer: the following tirade is a result of not enough sleep and having to be at work at 7:30 in the AM on a sunday, they do not necessarily reflect the views of DPSB, or his affiliates.


I've had it up to here with these nutballs, and I want them out of my country. No. That's not good enough. I want them dead. I want to stick a pitchfork right in the throat of every one of these inbread psycho pre-millenialist right wing fascist balls of cock and I want to twist the farker till their heads pop off. There's not a place in hell hot enough for these dumb motherfarkers and I swear to christ I'm tired of sharing a planet with them.
 
2006-10-01 09:14:19 AM
to the people who "really hate all christians":
what people do when there is book they don't like:

fundie Christians: try to ban book
fundie Muslims: to to kill the author (Satanic Verses, anyone?)

um, fundies are of course annoying, but methinks the christian stripe is a bit less so...
 
2006-10-01 09:15:33 AM
BigDamn

Yeah, I was stung by a wasp once, so every time I get stung by a bee I just kind of shrug and giggle.

(I'm in a bad mood today, don't take it personal)
 
2006-10-01 09:16:36 AM
Man, you know society is full of flufftards when they feel threatened by a bedtime story.

I've read ALL of the Harry Potter books and the Bible several times. Any idiot who claims that Harry Potter is dangerous has been brainwashed by a fundamentalist preacher. Such people are unable to think for themselves.
 
2006-10-01 09:17:26 AM
Liliac_Hill
farked after 5 comments, nice job. how about running a server behind some bandwidth or maybe on a better platform

blogger runs apache on linux. i hope you're not suggesting they change to M$!
 
2006-10-01 09:17:57 AM
I beg to differ. The only lawsuits I see going on are trying to ban religious sounding stuff. The ACLU and their anti-free speach agenda.
 
2006-10-01 09:19:17 AM
thisispete: That's one of the most disgusting images I've ever seen - and I've never even read Rowling

Nor have I read any of Rowling's work. That image is disgusting, because it invokes remembrance of this:
www.uploadfile.info
 
2006-10-01 09:19:22 AM
awr

I dunno from the vast majority of public libraries, but the Richardson (a suburb of dallas in texas) public library has all sorts of books full of "questionable" material. It's really not that bad - and my university's library is, of course, just chock full of evil.

really, it's not as bad as the extreme examples make out, a lot of "the south" is actually very cosmopolitan and much of the populace is well-educated. I mean sure, we've got our morons, but on the whole you needn't believe the hype.
 
2006-10-01 09:21:46 AM
www.exposingsatanism.org


Is this why put our heads down when we pray? Its asymbolic burrying our heads in the sand?
 
2006-10-01 09:22:43 AM
Is Major Thomb like the new Bevets or something?
 
2006-10-01 09:23:36 AM
just in time too, when i was a little kid i used to read My Fathers Dragon. almost turned me into a dragon and that would have been really devistating for society
 
2006-10-01 09:24:04 AM
Icky Sticky is Yummy Yummy: I really do hate ALL christians...

Thats entirely well reasoned and rational, right there.
 
2006-10-01 09:24:57 AM
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2006-10-01 09:25:37 AM
Well if they are going to ban anything it should be "Catcher in the Rye". There was a very, very boring book.

/weirdo's, the lot of them.
 
2006-10-01 09:26:06 AM
Okay, well until Hermionie starts playing with Harry and Ron's wands, then I think we may have a legitimate excuse.
 
2006-10-01 09:27:11 AM
Wow, why all the hate for J.K.? Okay, fine, her prose might be juvenile but she's still a damn good storyteller. There are elements woven throughout all of her books that form complex unity stretching across volumes.

It's a farking tapestry, people! Maybe I'm overstating her importance but I'd put her in the same ranks as Ronald Dahl and L. Frank Baum.
 
2006-10-01 09:27:58 AM
Wait a bit here. I did not see where the ALA WAS banning the book. Only that there have been many request to ban the book from the US library system. No where did it say "we are banning the book".

This has been going on for YEARS, since the books first came out, and kids starting reading them. I guess the parent get freaked out when their kids are quietly reading, WILLING, and not screaming, playing video games, chatting with 40 year men trying to rape them, trying to kill everyone in their school.

I worked with one of these people who worked to ban HP books. Really felt sorry for her. She was so closed minded she was really was limiting herself. She would spend hours on the phone, at work, calling people to tell them how bad the books were after this nutty radio program she would listen to said it was up to her to "save the people".

Well at least they did not tell her to blow up the "non-believers"
 
2006-10-01 09:30:54 AM
NineInchNader: Maybe I'm overstating her importance but I'd put her in the same ranks as Ronald Dahl and L. Frank Baum.

That's Roald Dahl. No "n"
 
2006-10-01 09:31:04 AM
Whatever.

Fark is NOT news, so I guess one ought not always expect the headline to be factual.

Especially when it links to someone's stupid goofy agenda blog.
 
2006-10-01 09:31:21 AM
img121.imageshack.us

N00bs.
 
2006-10-01 09:31:29 AM
3,000 attempts/300 million people = 0.001% of the people

Relax.
 
2006-10-01 09:32:25 AM
Her prose is juvenile because she writes children's books!
 
2006-10-01 09:32:33 AM
cmjs: Well if they are going to ban anything require every person to read a single book it should be "Catcher in the Rye". There was a very very boring important and thought provoking book.

There... fixed that for ya'.
 
2006-10-01 09:32:39 AM
That's Roald Dahl. No "n"

D'oh!
 
2006-10-01 09:33:05 AM
vartian: ...unless they were trying to make room for some decent fiction, of course.

hah!
 
2006-10-01 09:33:22 AM
Fantastsche!!! If you can't borrow the book, then you must buy it, which means more sales for J.K. What a deal!!
 
2006-10-01 09:34:34 AM
wow one would think it's still 1600

/drtfa
 
2006-10-01 09:35:35 AM
ezkiel 23:20 For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.
BURN IT!
 
2006-10-01 09:35:40 AM
Bible.
 
2006-10-01 09:35:51 AM
StrikitRich: Fantastsche!!! If you can't borrow the book, then you must buy it, which means more sales for J.K. What a deal!!

I'm surprised some far-right nutcase hasn't condemned libraries as commie socialised reading.
 
2006-10-01 09:35:55 AM
They are only WORDS folks, lighten up.
 
2006-10-01 09:36:28 AM
Nobody's banning anything--this is a list of controversial books that either have been banned/censored at one time or that a bunch of idiots claim should be banned.

I'm against ALL forms of censorship--regardless of the topic.

J.K. Rowling's stuff isn't Shakespeare, and I was a bit disappointed with the latest HP book (her writing style got better with every book, but this last one seemed to decline in quality a bit), but she's still a good author who tells interesting stories.

I remember that Farenheit 451 was actually banned/censored....talk about irony.
 
2006-10-01 09:37:09 AM
I gave my daughter a list of banned books and told her she should read them all.

But lots of people are stupid and have stupid children. Stupid children shouldn't be allowed to read them.
 
2006-10-01 09:38:15 AM
Descartes
I mean, if we are talking about only 3000 idiots in 3000 school districts in a country of almost 300 million... I like those odds.

And those 3000 attempts to ban a book are spread out over 6 years. Frankly, I'm encouraged by this; I had expected a lot more idiots. The headline should be: "Book-banners are few, have minimal impact, fail miserably". This is good news!
 
2006-10-01 09:39:15 AM
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: I gave my daughter a list of banned books and told her she should read them all.

Hero!
 
2006-10-01 09:39:59 AM
/enjoys Cameron_Talley's support!
 
2006-10-01 09:42:53 AM
What's next?
 
2006-10-01 09:43:56 AM
...sorry I got distracted...I was killing kittens.

www.celebrity9.com
 
2006-10-01 09:45:32 AM
They are only WORDS folks, lighten up.

Well, no. Words form ideas which lead to concepts and provide an education which might fall outside the rigid structure of a fundamentalist worldview. Some people are frightened by the seductive power of reasonable, free will and independence of thought.

It's more than just words. It's a potential bridge to self discovery when they believe only a select group of elite spiritualists are qualified to shape our lives.

Of course, people like that are very messed up and Harry Potter really doesn't have that much power anyway, but it's the principle of the matter.
 
2006-10-01 09:47:32 AM
thisispete - True Conservatism has nothing to do with the social conservative nut jobs that the lazy media likes to dump into one label any more than a true liberal has to do with the socialist left that the media refuses to label.

Don't confuse true Conservatism with laissez faire economics, Neocons or the Bush Administration either.
 
2006-10-01 09:47:54 AM
Harry Potter promotes Witchcraft just like Star Wars promotes use of the Force, or Superman promotes Kryponian super-strength.

There, I think I made that sound ridiculous enough.
 
2006-10-01 09:49:56 AM
2006-10-01 09:36:28 AM Cameron_Talley

J.K. Rowling's stuff isn't Shakespeare, and I was a bit disappointed with the latest HP book (her writing style got better with every book, but this last one seemed to decline in quality a bit), but she's still a good author who tells interesting stories.

Hmm. Maybe we read different Harry Potter books. I mean, we have a guy murder the good supergenius at the end, and we still don't know if he's good or bad? I don't see how that's a decline.
 
2006-10-01 09:50:32 AM
ApokalypseNow: Harry Potter promotes Witchcraft just like Star Wars promotes use of the Force, or Superman promotes Kryponian super-strength.

Movement to ban Star Wars and Superman begins somewhere south of the Mason-Dixon line in 3, 2, 1...
 
2006-10-01 09:51:47 AM
Man, wait until they discover the Phillip Pullman novels.
 
2006-10-01 09:51:55 AM
Harry Potter is the only books in the history of mankind where the movies are better than the books.

/And thats not saying much.
 
2006-10-01 09:52:06 AM
Taking the "dangerous" item away makes it less desirable for children. Just like M-rated video games, R-rated movies, and PARENTAL ADVISORY labels on music. See problem solved! No parenting required...
 
2006-10-01 09:54:35 AM
Yes, the whackjobs on the right were behind a lot of this. But if you look at the list, a lot of the ban requests were presumably from the whackjobs on the left.

It's time for both sides to realize that due to your obsession with screwing over each other, you're screwing up the whole country.
 
2006-10-01 09:56:43 AM
If I ever do get published, I expect all you Farkers to be pals and rally to have my books taken off the shelves. Try to organize some book burnings among the more gullible and reactionary people you work with. Free publicity + multiple copies purchased as firewood = no more student loans. Brilliant!

That said, this headline kinda sucks. The way things are going, librarians are going to be the last ones standing between the PATRIOT act and your tender, delicious rights to privacy and freedom of information. Suggesting that they make a habit of caving to these neolithic blowhards is insulting.
 
2006-10-01 09:56:57 AM
whitetrashcompactor
Hm... maybe I should instead say:

Harry Potter promotes Witchcraft just like the Bible promotes belief in dragons, satyrs, firey flying serpents, unicorns, and cockatrices.

Isaiah 11:8, 13:21-22, 14:29, and elsewhere.
 
2006-10-01 09:57:09 AM
Hmm. Maybe we read different Harry Potter books. I mean, we have a guy murder the good supergenius at the end, and we still don't know if he's good or bad? I don't see how that's a decline.

It was a hell of a lot better than Order of the Phoenix. Plus it gave us the classic of Perteroticism: Harry Potter and the Half-Black Chick.
 
2006-10-01 09:57:54 AM
I am only going to say this an infinite amount of times.

The liberal left can do no wrong. I wish the neocons would stop blaming all of societies ills on the left. Its the the neocon Republican right's fault for every bad thing in our country. I wish everybody who wears an elephant sticker every four years would just DIAF. If this country were to ban the GOP this would be the best country in the world along with The Netherlands.
 
2006-10-01 09:59:07 AM
ApokalypseNow: Harry Potter promotes Witchcraft just like the Bible promotes belief in dragons, satyrs, firey flying serpents, unicorns, and cockatrices.

Movement to ban the bible starts in 3, 2... Hey wait a minute?!?
 
2006-10-01 10:01:00 AM
whitetrashcompactor:

Exactly! I think we should get on this right away.
 
2006-10-01 10:01:37 AM
Sigh... it'd be wonderful if we could gather all the fundies of the world from every religion, and just put them all on an isolated island with each other.
 
2006-10-01 10:02:17 AM
We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.
 
2006-10-01 10:02:49 AM

Meh... Web's gonna kill traditional libraries anyhow...


Ban away morons... and while you're at it why not tax email, or outlaw online gambling...


...or any other IMPOSSIBLE thing you're little minds can think of.


Oh right... it's too late for that shait. Never should have given us the Internet.

 
2006-10-01 10:03:12 AM
StrikitRich: True Conservatism has nothing to do with the social conservative nut jobs that the lazy media likes to dump into one label...

Oh please... True Conservatives have allowed the NeoCons/Fanatics to take over the G.O.P. and True Conservatives are doing NOTHING about it.

True Conservatives are perpetuating the NeoCons in the G.O.P. because True Conservatives continue to vote these nutjobs into office. I'm not talking about the nutjobs in the White House, I'm talking about the ones in elected offices all over the country promoting everything the so-called True Conservatives claim its not why they're True Conservatives.

True Conservatives vote for these nutjobs because "the G.O.P. tells you to vote for them". The G.O.P. can tell True Conservatives to vote for Satan and True Conservatives will vote for Satan because "the G.O.P. says so"... because True Conservatives are as guilty of being mindless BushBots as are the real BushBots.

Actually, True Conservatives are worse: True Conservatives would rather not vote in an election rather than give their vote to "the other party" because, heavens forbid, someone finds out that you voted for "the other party's candidate".

True Conservatives have no one to complain about the state of their beloved G.O.P. other than themselves... because the G.O.P. has not only been taken away from you, but you are neither able nor willing to so squat to take it back.
 
2006-10-01 10:03:17 AM
Brewer

And provide each group a big pile of rocks. Then tell them that the others think their religion is silly.
 
2006-10-01 10:03:27 AM
coretnor

Hmm. Maybe we read different Harry Potter books. I mean, we have a guy murder the good supergenius at the end, and we still don't know if he's good or bad? I don't see how that's a decline.

Yeeessss. That was a good ending. Never saw this before. Amazing storytelling.

/I bet the price of the next book that the "good supergenius" has hidden his life in some thingimaling and that he will be put back in his body after. You know, like in Gaiman's Neverwhere.
//Wouldn't be the first thing she steal from him.
 
2006-10-01 10:04:17 AM
Jakevol2: The liberal left can do no wrong.

Whaaa?
 
2006-10-01 10:04:31 AM
"Harry Potter creator JK Rowling has been voted the author Americans most want to ban from libraries over fears that her books promote witchcraft."

Isn't practicing witchcraft legal in the US?
 
2006-10-01 10:05:56 AM
Dhusk
Yes, but that doesn't mean that there aren't people here who both a) fear it, and b) think it actually works.
 
2006-10-01 10:05:56 AM
Brewer; Sigh... it'd be wonderful if we could gather all the fundies of the world from every religion, and just put them all on an isolated island with each other.

We already have. Unfortunately it's call Earth.

/But South Carolina might be a good place to start with the fence designed to protect the rest of us.
 
2006-10-01 10:06:25 AM
whitetrashcompactor: Movement to ban the bible starts in 3, 2... Hey wait a minute?!?

Actually, the left has been trying to do that for years.

/I hate the smell of hypocrisy in the morning
 
2006-10-01 10:07:26 AM
I'm not crazy about Rowling. Her books aren't bad, but they're not the best, either. James and the Giant Peach, Matilda... now those were great books. I loved Where the Sidewalk Ends. On the other hand, I read some real trashy stuff when I was a kid too... anyone here ever pick up an Anita Blake novel? Talk about something a 12 year old shouldn't be reading. They were fun as hell though, before they got weird. Piers Anthony (Xanth series), Robert Heinlein (with the deliciously corny The Puppet Masters), Asimov (Bicentennial Man), Diana Gabaldon, Terry Pratchett (Your small kids will love Where's My Cow, and the art is unbelievable), My Side of the Mountain...

And of course, if you want to read some books that would really freak out religious fundamentalists, try the His Dark Materials trilogy by Phillip Pullman. A couple of twelve-year-olds kill God, with some wonderful references to Paradise Lost. Suspenseful, creative, well-written... a bit literary. The Golden Compass, The Subtle Knife, and The Amber Spyglass have been languishing in the Juvenile science fiction/fantasy section for years, to the great detriment of some adults.

/This trip to McSly's literary past is sponsored by lonely smart kids.
//You know, I don't love Rowling, but whatever gets 'em reading.
///Yeah, I hated the Da Vinci Code too, but it's like the 7th most widely read book in the world. Only books like the Bible and the dictionary are more popular. Which just goes to show you, what you really need to sell books to grown-ups in this country is a little suspense and a double shot of Jesus. The people who want to ban Rowling are (probably) huge fans of the bleedin' Left Behind series. Which, btw, also made someone a dump truck full of money.
 
2006-10-01 10:07:36 AM
It was a hell of a lot better than Order of the Phoenix. Plus it gave us the classic of Perteroticism: Harry Potter and the Half-Black Chick.

...or maybe some kind of Italian.
 
2006-10-01 10:08:06 AM
Whaaa?


seriously name something that is so bad about the liberal left that Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage hasn't spoon fed you to say.
 
2006-10-01 10:08:27 AM
Jakevol2
Listen, you ignorant douchebag.
This is a thought that needs to be entertained in your tiny farking brain: The politicians that call themselves Republicans today, are in NO WAY ACTUAL REPUBLICANS. I am a Republican, but I am a Abraham Lincoln/Teddy Roosevelt Republican, the true type:the party that freed the slaves (yes ignorant douche the southern democrats were slave owners). Now I am so tired of defending myself against idiots like you. The bipartisan nature of this country is no longer working. All the politicans currently in power must go. They are not Republicans. A true Republican believes that a government that governs the least governs the best. Now, please consider what I have said and stop making blanket statements. Our president makes me feel ashamed just as much as you. You need to open your farking eyes a little bit.
 
2006-10-01 10:09:19 AM
Howie Feltersnatch (great name BTW)

The first pictures you posted only serve to highlight the truth. The president of the US is just a great example of a general trend. He needs to read more and more widely. Too few people read these days and even fewer read more than their religious texts.
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Thank goodness for librarians that refuse to bow to public pressures, pitchforks, and bonfires.
 
2006-10-01 10:09:38 AM
Actually, the left has been trying to do that for years.

/I hate the smell of hypocrisy in the morning


LOL.

WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!!11!1!11oneone!!11eleven
 
2006-10-01 10:09:41 AM
These books lead to drinking.

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2006-10-01 10:10:32 AM
espiaboricua: True Conservatives have no one to complain about the state of their beloved G.O.P. other than themselves... because the G.O.P. has not only been taken away from you, but you are neither able nor willing to so squat to take it back.

That's true. And the Democratic Party has been hijacked away from True Liberals as well.

Nice country we have here folks, I can't wait to head to the polls and more-or-less be forced to choose between a Fascist and a Socialist. Again.
 
2006-10-01 10:10:56 AM
Damn it, stop posting pictures of Hermione! You're making me have illegal thoughts!!!!
 
2006-10-01 10:13:50 AM
GoSurfing
I am saddened by the death of your old party, and even more so by the birth of this new party. Old-school Republicans were intelligent thinkers, excellent statesmen, and had some really neat, intriguing ideas about how government should work. Now, all you have is a bunch of old men who fear change, and younger (but still kinda old) men who wave the elephant flag but attempt to undermine every aspect of the Constitution that they swore to uphold.

Not to say that the current Democratic party is much better.
 
2006-10-01 10:13:52 AM
Jakevol2
Listen, you ignorant douchebag.


Yeah I am going to listen to someone who calls me a douchebag. Oh and which party was it that took up the civil rights movement? Not the log cabin Republicans. The Republican party you so admire and claim to be a part of no longer exists.

The liberal left can do no wrong and the neocons need to DIAF
 
2006-10-01 10:14:05 AM
WipeHandsOnPants: Actually, the left has been trying to do that defend the constitution for years.

There... fixed that for ya'.
 
2006-10-01 10:14:32 AM
www.dubsarhouse.com
 
2006-10-01 10:16:37 AM
Patriot Emma does not approve.

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2006-10-01 10:18:26 AM
GoSurfing

You are an endangered species. The Republicans you're talking about left politics in the 1980s; you know, the type that are fiscally conservative yet socially responsible. Too bad you can't meet my parents - then there'd be 3 of you in one room. Perhaps enough to start a revolution. ;-)

I grew up thinking that your description of Republicans was the true one, but became completely Independent when my eyes saw the truth of the real world and all political parties.

I wish you luck and hope you don't become too jaded to fight for what you believe is right.
 
2006-10-01 10:20:03 AM
oh, and before you farkers get too full of yourself, and think your shiat doesn't stink, remember *you* ban people on fark for saying things you find offensive.

you do it all the time, the only difference between this and the real world is that in the real world, people who PAY to support these libraries are the ones wanting the "filth" out of the library.

You have to draw the line somewhere, and each community decides where that line is drawn. (period)
 
2006-10-01 10:21:42 AM
Jakevol2: ...sorry I got distracted...I was killing kittens.

Me too...
www.uploadfile.info
Clickity pop and fappity fap to NSFW video
 
2006-10-01 10:24:03 AM
Liliac_Hill: oh, and before you farkers get too full of yourself, and think your shiat doesn't stink, remember *you* ban people on fark for saying things you find offensive.

you do it all the time, the only difference between this and the real world is that in the real world, people who PAY to support these libraries are the ones wanting the "filth" out of the library.

You have to draw the line somewhere, and each community decides where that line is drawn. (period)


Banned!

/by the way, please define "filth"
//please put your thinking cap on before you take a crack at it.
///that is all
 
2006-10-01 10:24:30 AM
Jakevol2: seriously name something that is so bad about the liberal left that Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage hasn't spoon fed you to say.

I am actually a liberal, thank you, and you need to recognize that both the parties are pretty crappy. Maybe (Probably) it's the corruption of power. To say the liberal left can do wrong shows the same blind partisanship you just tried to accuse me of.
 
2006-10-01 10:26:22 AM
 
2006-10-01 10:26:39 AM
thank you, thread. now i have to smash my hard drive, before the+++ATH0 NO CARRIER
 
2006-10-01 10:27:40 AM
If she should be banned for anything, it should be for being an annoying anti-American biatch. However, since that would be a violation of free speech, her garbage should stay on the shelf and people should instead work to educate others as to why this biatch shouldn't be getting our money if she hates us so much.
 
2006-10-01 10:28:01 AM
I never identified myself as a Democrat (though I do tend to vote that way), my liberalism is philosophically based. And if Joe Lieberman is anything to go by then yes the Democratic party leaves much to be desired. But there are a lot more Democrats in Congress I agree with than on the GOP side of the aisle (though McCain can live to tell the tale after the rest DIAF)
 
2006-10-01 10:28:30 AM
Where is former librarian Laura Bush in this?

If she had any kind of guts at all, she'd come out and say something against this kind of crap, but no, can't afford to alienate the base, can we?

I'd almost respect her more if she said she supported some of the attempted bans. At least it would show she had an opinion, and a measure of personality, rather than sitting back and being the subservient little wifey and "home maker".
 
2006-10-01 10:28:57 AM
Howie_Feltersnatch: Clicky pop for story


The funny part is, they bought those books, and therefore funded 'the occult'

Haha
 
2006-10-01 10:29:33 AM
Howie_Feltersnatch

Thank you, kind sir, for making my day just a little bit brighter. Those are some faptastic mammaries.
 
2006-10-01 10:31:24 AM
I am surprised "My Pet Goat" hasn't been banned. As long as that book stays on library shelves the terrorists ahve won.
 
2006-10-01 10:31:48 AM
Liliac_Hill: oh, and before you farkers get too full of yourself, and think your shiat doesn't stink, remember *you* ban people on fark for saying things you find offensive.

you do it all the time, the only difference between this and the real world is that in the real world, people who PAY to support these libraries are the ones wanting the "filth" out of the library.

You have to draw the line somewhere, and each community decides where that line is drawn. (period)


Yes, *I* ban people. I, who am not a mod and not an admin, have personally gone around banning people. And then I go to their homes, and burn all their books.

/farkers don't ban people... mods do.
//used to run my own forum
///banned exactly one person
////he deserved it
 
2006-10-01 10:32:28 AM
Jakevol2:
"The Republican party you so admire and claim to be a part of no longer exists."

Yeah, no shiat...that was pretty much my point in my previous post. About the civil rights movement...the Republican party had pretty much already been dead by that point too with farking idiots like Strom Thurmond in there...I don't mean to argue with you because you are actually correct..it's just all the "conservatives, neocons," etc. that you speak of are in no way philosophically Republicans. Just so you know, FDR did fark this country up pretty good with social security. I believe we should be given the choice to pay/receive social security. Secondly I believe in the Fair Tax which would actually get tax revenue out of the illegal immigrants and the extremely wealthy. The Republican party is tarnished and over...no one can remember the good that Lincoln/Roosevelt did for this country. The thing that makes me cringe is how modern "Republicans" treat the constitution. Republicans used to honor the constitition. That's why I have to go Libertarian. More annoying though sir, than your blanket statements...are the millions of Americans who accept what they have to say. There are some things we can do to get this country on track again though:
End War on Drugs
Create Fair Tax
Make Social Security Optional
Grow Hemp
Go Isolationist for a few years.
Make cars/trucks have mandatory MPG qualifications.
Recycle as much as possible.
Make higher math/sciences such as Calculus/Physics mandatory in high school for all students with high enough iq to do so.
If we don't go Kyoto, at least do the best we can to reduce emissions.
...random thoughts
 
2006-10-01 10:33:11 AM
Liliac_Hill

oh, and before you farkers get too full of yourself, and think your shiat doesn't stink, remember *you* ban people on fark for saying things you find offensive.

you do it all the time, the only difference between this and the real world is that in the real world, people who PAY to support these libraries are the ones wanting the "filth" out of the library.

You have to draw the line somewhere, and each community decides where that line is drawn. (period)


People get banned for not following the rules they agreed to when they signed up.

Books should get banned if they do not follow rules. But as the authors cannot sign a set of rules, the law is the rule, not some individual interpretation of the rules. And as far as I know, Harry Potter do no break any laws...

And unlike privately owned forums rules, "communities" cannot draw lines that go against the law.
 
2006-10-01 10:35:00 AM
Much ado about nothing...

/DVD?
 
2006-10-01 10:35:06 AM
Why are christians so stupid?
 
2006-10-01 10:35:40 AM
Sheila_McSly: double shot of Jesus

i KNEW there was something strange about my latte this morning. i ordered a double shot of hazlenut and got Jesus instead, damn starbucks.

/seriously though, very good suggestions. some of my personal favs from childhood/adolescence
 
2006-10-01 10:36:00 AM
GoSurfing

You my friend are a liberal. It's not a bad word the way Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage would have you believe. Embrace waht you truly are. It's okay.
 
2006-10-01 10:36:53 AM
although, if i had gotten hazlenut instead of hazelnut i would have been pretty ticked too

/spelling ftw
 
2006-10-01 10:37:24 AM
Jakevol2
Does laissez-faire ring a bell?
 
2006-10-01 10:38:05 AM
Ummon: Why are christians so stupid?

Simple. Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge, and then God threw a hissy fit and kicked them out of Eden. Therefore, God likes stupidity.

/To the God Squad: don't bother flaming me, I'm being facetious.
//LOOK IT UP!
 
2006-10-01 10:38:07 AM
how come i can't see "South of the South" anymore. It's just a movie with story telling
 
2006-10-01 10:38:39 AM
Movement to ban Star Wars and Superman begins somewhere south of the Mason-Dixon line in 3, 2, 1...

Most of the times I hear of an attempt at book banning it seems it is in Boston, Los Angeles, or New York. True bastions of Christian fundmentalism.
 
2006-10-01 10:39:10 AM
Ummon: Why are christians most people so stupid?

There... fixed that for ya'.

/and for what it's worth my answer to that question is powerlines... lots of homes built in very close proximity to high tension powerlines.
//got nothing.
 
2006-10-01 10:39:37 AM
Liliac_Hill:
oh, and before you farkers get too full of yourself, and think your shiat doesn't stink, remember *you* ban people on fark for saying things you find offensive.

you do it all the time, the only difference between this and the real world is that in the real world, people who PAY to support these libraries are the ones wanting the "filth" out of the library.

You have to draw the line somewhere, and each community decides where that line is drawn. (period)


Yet if a community were to ban bibles, fundie christians would be spontaneously combusting and flying airliners into skyscrapers.

The line should not be drawn by a fanatical minority who does not represent the community as a whole. And its is ALWAYS a tiny, whiny, myopic minority who tries to ban these books.

P.S. Despite what the Bushies and the Neo-Con minority have been trying to push on us lately, no "Community Standard" should ever supercede an individual's constitutionally guaranteed First Amendment Rights. No one forces anyone to read a particular book. It is always that person's choice. If you don't like what's in a book, JUST DON'T READ IT. Why is that so difficult for so many people?
 
2006-10-01 10:40:22 AM
Why yes I do. It's French for WTO
 
2006-10-01 10:40:34 AM
I'd rather have knowledge of Good and Evil than eternal life anyway.

/Hell, yes, I'll eat that apple.
 
2006-10-01 10:42:22 AM
...Other authors on the list include John Steinbeck, for racism, violent language and sexism in Of Mice and Men, Harper Lee for To Kill a Mocking-Bird and William Golding for Lord of the Flies...

DaCricket writes: *bangs head on desk*

I'm with ya, dude. I'm with ya. *Bangs head on keyboard*

/No book should be banned, including the crappy ones by Rowling.
 
2006-10-01 10:43:02 AM
God, I forgot Ender's Game... speaking of tree of knowledge/tree of life metaphors.

/but please, continue your biatch session.
 
2006-10-01 10:43:40 AM
atlanta_ufo

The teachings of Brer Rabbit have saved my ass on a number of occasions. But I guess that means zippidy-do-dah to the book and movie banners.
 
2006-10-01 10:44:03 AM
Dufus: Most of the times I hear of an attempt at book banning it seems it is in Boston, Los Angeles, or New York. True bastions of Christian fundmentalism.

unlikely.

/if that's what you hear then we listen to very different things.
 
2006-10-01 10:44:03 AM
I have a quick question for you Yanks. My local library has a copy Mein Kampf floating around, and other rather questionable works. Do you get that in public libraries over there?

/Banning any book book is wrong.


Banning books is illegal in the US... so yeah. Some individual organizations ban books, but don't confuse those with the US

And Banned Book week by the ALA is actually a GOOD thing. They are trying to promote awareness:

http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/backgroundb/background.htm#wbbw
 
2006-10-01 10:49:33 AM
FTA The ALA said some of the main reasons cited for protesters trying to get controversial books removed from circulation were sexually explicit material, having an occult theme or offensive language.

Other complaints highlighted books with violent content or promoting homosexuality or a religious viewpoint


Darn, there go those Christians trying to ban books with religious viewpoints again!

/rolls eyes
//3000 attempts = not much
///not much = real fruitcakes
 
2006-10-01 10:49:50 AM
Dhusk: If you don't like what's in a book, JUST DON'T READ IT. Why is that so difficult for so many people?


Because we are so obviously in need of saving. This is my basic problem with people of religion: they think they know what's best for everyone, specifically, me. I disagree. Most strenuously. I know what that leads to. No thanks.
 
2006-10-01 10:52:50 AM
Good thing that Dells & Thinkpads are doing their bit to burn all the ebook versions...
 
2006-10-01 10:54:04 AM
Dufus

I just did a little research and I stand corrected. There appear to be plenty of book banning fundies unclear that the constitution does not exist to enforce the will of the mob north of the Mason-Dixon line.

/and plenty in big cities.
//begins to stock the bunker
 
2006-10-01 10:55:17 AM
shipofthesun

the inconsistency of it all. if christians want to ban a book, people say christians are horrible, but a movie i mentioned like song of the south, where is the outraged. people should be outraged at any banning...not sure why christians are singled out and others are given passes
 
2006-10-01 10:56:29 AM
Dufus: Most of the times I hear of an attempt at book banning it seems it is in Boston, Los Angeles, or New York. True bastions of Christian fundmentalism.

Maybe that's because these are the only cities where people actually go to libraries.
 
2006-10-01 10:56:43 AM
Other authors on the list include John Steinbeck, for racism, violent language and sexism in Of Mice and Men, Harper Lee for To Kill a Mocking-Bird and William Golding for Lord of the Flies.

Strange. I read them all in high school. Please don't tell me Harry Potter's heading down the "required reading" list as well.

/Of Mice and Men and To Kill a Mockingbird were good. Lord of the Flies, not so much.
 
2006-10-01 10:56:47 AM
They want to ban a fictional book on witchcraft but, presumably, not on that purports to be nonfiction and treats witchcraft as a real thing? Although, I suppose they'd actually have to read it to know that.
 
2006-10-01 10:59:35 AM
3 things:

If you don't want to read a book, then, don't read it!

If you don't want your children to read a book, then, don't let your children read it!

If you don't want me to read a book, then, go to hell!
 
2006-10-01 11:00:35 AM
whitetrashcompactor: Actually, the left has been trying to defend trash the constitution for years.

There, fixed that for you.
 
2006-10-01 11:00:58 AM
*Checks DaCricket's profile*

My apologies. My post should have said "dudette" instead of "dude."

/Still banging head on keyboard in solidarity.
 
2006-10-01 11:01:11 AM
whitetrashcompactor

Movement to ban Star Wars and Superman begins somewhere south of the Mason-Dixon line in 3, 2, 1..

Are you suggesting that rednecks have teamed up with the Sith and Lex Luthor???
 
2006-10-01 11:04:06 AM
Actually, the left right has been trying to defend trash the constitution for years.

There. You almost got it but missed that one thing. I fixed it for you though.
 
2006-10-01 11:04:53 AM
atlanta_ufo: the inconsistency of it all. if christians want to ban a book, people say christians are horrible, but a movie i mentioned like song of the south, where is the outraged. people should be outraged at any banning...not sure why christians are singled out and others are given passes


I think you are intertwining two different things here. Calling for the banning of books is religious people asking for Gov. intervention in the flow of information to the populace. Song of the South is not available largely due to its distributer(ultimatly Disney I believe) simply not, well, distributing it. That is because of embarassment at outdated social mores more than any sort of ban. The crucial difference there is the voluntary vs. required at gunpoint thing.
 
2006-10-01 11:05:09 AM
WipeHandsOnPants

I'm still trying to find evidence anyone, anywhere, has tried to ban the Bible as you claimed.

/Hysterical much?
 
2006-10-01 11:05:52 AM
arethusa: FTA The ALA said some of the main reasons cited for protesters trying to get controversial books removed from circulation were sexually explicit material, having an occult theme or offensive language.

Other complaints highlighted books with violent content or promoting homosexuality or a religious viewpoint

Darn, there go those Christians trying to ban books with religious viewpoints again!

/rolls eyes
//3000 attempts = not much
///not much = real fruitcakes


You don't think that Christians try to ban books with religious viewpoints?

Here's a clue-by-four for you--it says religious, not Christian.

/There ARE other religions out there, you know.
 
2006-10-01 11:06:30 AM
anubis1337: Are you suggesting that rednecks have teamed up with the Sith and Lex Luthor???

Red neck fundies, the sith and lex luther?!? We don't stand a chance!

/uncle!
//take my books!!
 
2006-10-01 11:06:52 AM
www.betreiberportal.de

just because there hasn't been enough Emma in this forum lately
 
2006-10-01 11:09:29 AM
'puter's going really slow, and the light thingy is on all the time....
 
2006-10-01 11:09:54 AM
Of Mice and Men?
To Kill a Mocking-Bird?
Lord of the Flies?

WTF is wrong with this country?

Here is the solution:
If you don't like a book/movie/song/TV show, don't read/watch/listen to it. You get to decide what you read/watch/hear, I get to decide what I read/watch/hear. End of story.

This magical solution, can be applied to many issues now facing society:
If you don't like gay (interracial, inter-religious, etc.) marriages, then don't have one.
If you don't like boobies on TV, change the channel.
If you don't like porn, don't buy it
If you don't like "blah", then avoid "blah", but you have no right to tell me, or anyone else, not to like "blah".

...there problem solved.
 
2006-10-01 11:10:22 AM
ftfa commentsAt 15:50 , Jordan said...Anyone who complains about Harry Potter needs to have a nice sit down with someone who will explain to them, in gentle terms, that MAGIC IS NOT REAL.

sums it up quite nicely, me thinks.
 
2006-10-01 11:11:56 AM
Lets see

sexually explicit material - Stupid Christians
having an occult theme - Stupid Christians
offensive language- Stupid Christians
violent content - Real Christians/Stupid Liberals
promoting homosexuality - Stupid Christians
religious viewpoint - More then Likely Stupid Christians
racism - Stupid Liberals
violent language - Stupid Liberals
sexism - Stupid Liberals

Stupid Christians Have it!!!
 
2006-10-01 11:12:31 AM
If anyone in this thread is over 12 and reads these books for pleasure - GET A BOOK FOR farkING ADULTS.
 
2006-10-01 11:13:14 AM
Want to ban books? I know of one chock full of sex including rape and incest, misogyny, murder, meyhem and too much death to keep track of. The Bible.
 
2006-10-01 11:13:35 AM
Duke Phillips' Singing Bears

I've had it up to here with these nutballs, and I want them out of my country.

With no disrespect to any religious or other people who AREN'T farking the world up, I really just thought for the first time "What would the world be like if it weren't for these douchebags? What could we be doing if we didn't have to do it while dealing with ignorant idiots making a stink?" Picture a class full of kids trying to learn calculus. Now picture one smelly kid in the back who keeps interrupting and claiming 2+2=5. He's hindering the progress of the whole classroom, and by analogy, all mankind.

Evolution, an accurate portrayal of American and world history, and literature are three obvious things that some kids in America are missing a proper education in because of ignorant loudmouths, for example. It's sad there's nothing at all to do about it.

Oh, and Crown Of Negativity no way is that real. Shame though.
/would still hit it
//too desperate to turn down a hot girl just because she has another hot girl's face
 
2006-10-01 11:14:23 AM
The same people who tried to ban the books obviously never watched Fahrenheit 451, (or the R.O.D. TV series, for that matter).
 
2006-10-01 11:15:00 AM
Destroy Christian Fascism. Read A Banned Book Today!

"Give me liberty, or give me death." ~ Patrick Henry, Patriot

static.flickr.com
 
2006-10-01 11:15:41 AM
DON'T ban the books because of witchcraft.

DO ban the books because they're utter crap.
 
2006-10-01 11:16:27 AM
Jakevol2
How is that "tolerance" thing working out for ya? I thought libs were always screaming about tolerance for other points of view. Hypocrite.
 
2006-10-01 11:17:19 AM
meekychuppet: If anyone in this thread is over 12 and reads these books for pleasure - GET A BOOK FOR farkING ADULTS.

You know I just re-read 'Lord of the Flies' a few months ago and am glad I did. I think the books we read as kids when read as adults have a lot for us. Not just in your adult interpretation of them, but in the balancing of what it said to you and what it says now. Very cool actually.

/besides everyone should read 'To Kill a Mockingbird' once or twice a decade at a minimum!
 
2006-10-01 11:18:52 AM
Book banning? Why don't we's has a good ol' fashion book burnin, instead?

People want children to read, but they don't want them to read things that would help their imagination or thought process. Let's just give children phone books to read, or better yet, history books, because those books never talk about horrid things.
And I have to ask: What idiot really and truly thinks that by reading Harry Potter, a child will abandon his religion and start practicing witchcraft?
We must protect the children from fun!
I can't sympathize with these people because I don't have a stick up my ass.
 
2006-10-01 11:19:20 AM
there is tolerance and there is rolling over for the butt secks from the asshole neocons. Like my hero Bill Clinton I am nont gonna be bullied by them.
 
2006-10-01 11:20:28 AM
there is tolerance and there is rolling over for the butt secks from the asshole libs. Like my hero Ronald Reagan I am nont gonna be bullied by them.
 
2006-10-01 11:20:43 AM
whitetrashcompactor: /besides everyone should read 'To Kill a Mockingbird' once or twice a decade at a minimum!

Bears repeating. I try and pick up Twain or some Thurber once every so often so I can remeber what made me laugh so much.
 
2006-10-01 11:20:51 AM
84Charlie: How is that "tolerance" thing working out for ya? I thought libs were always screaming about tolerance for other points of view. Hypocrite.

You have the right to believe anything you want. You also have the right to express anything you believe in.

Just don't forget that I also then have the right to ridicule you mercilessly.
 
2006-10-01 11:21:57 AM
espiaboricua - Theres some truth to what you said because most people don't know that they have alternate choices in candidates because of the self protection of the two dominant parties and their accomplices in the corporate press.

True conservatives vote Libertarian when available, and I have no problem cross voting when that choice is not an option. I'll be doing just that for a couple of candidates in my general election here in five weeks.
 
2006-10-01 11:22:20 AM
whitetrashcompactor
Thats alright. I don't mind being the butt of jokes as long as they are as low as mine.
 
2006-10-01 11:25:11 AM
84Charlie: there is tolerance and there is rolling over for the butt secks from the asshole hero libs. Like my hero asshole Ronald Reagan I am nont gonna be bullied by them.

I think you transposed a couple of words so I fixed that for ya'.
 
2006-10-01 11:26:37 AM
whitetrashcompactor

Ummon: Why are christians more stupid most people?


there, fixed that fer ya's
 
2006-10-01 11:27:31 AM
The whole "fixed that for ya'" thing is being driven into the ground. Is there no farkism that people won't completely overuse?
 
2006-10-01 11:27:40 AM
HeartBurnKid
You don't think that Christians try to ban books with religious viewpoints?

Here's a clue-by-four for you--it says religious, not Christian.

/There ARE other religions out there, you know.


The point I was trying to make is that the article did NOT say anything about WHO was trying to ban the books. That would include Christians or any other religion. How do you know that it wasn't Muslims wanting to ban books with nudity or homosexuality? You don't!!

Thanks for letting me know that there are other religions out there. I would never have known!!! I thought all those books I have with references to the Jewish, Catholicism, Buddahism and Muslim were really just psuedonyms for Christian.

Will say again...only the fruitcakes would want to have certain books banned.
 
2006-10-01 11:28:38 AM
whitetrashcompactor

You have the right to believe anything I want. You also have the right to express anything I believe in.

Just don't forget that I also then have the right to ridicule you mercilessly for disagreeing with me.

There, fixed that for ya.
 
2006-10-01 11:28:52 AM
I worked in a high school library in San Diego and we had some parents complain about the Harry Potter books.
There was no organized push to ban the books, but some parents had their kids blocked from checking them out, which was funny since our library had every Stephen King and Anne Rice book and these were not on these kid's list of blocked books!

Read Banned Books!
 
2006-10-01 11:29:40 AM
I'm sure this will somehow get blamed on Bush.

Either way, burning books...._any books_....is utterly pointless. I farking hate these "think of the children" types, like my mother. Want to know where I get my hatred for these people?

She abandon me when I was a baby, and then when I was getting ready to go to war, I found her and she abandon me again because her other kids couldn't know about me because she is "teaching abstainance". Now my half-siblings, whom I might never meet, will grow up not knowing they have a big brother, and now knowing all the joys in life because their parents keep them from them.

And I'M a conservative.
 
2006-10-01 11:30:21 AM
arethusa

I haven't heard of many Muslim groups in the US with the political clout to ban anything at all.
 
2006-10-01 11:30:28 AM
An ALA spokesman said: "Banned Books Week celebrates the freedom to express one's opinion, even if it is considered unorthodox or unpopular and it stresses the importance of ensuring others have access to those viewpoints."

Muslims, of course, are free to just murder anyone who doesn't agree with them.
 
2006-10-01 11:30:37 AM
RussianPooper: The whole "fixed that for ya'" thing is being driven into the ground. Is there no farkism that people won't completely overuse?

oh ya... die in a fire.

/jk. expect a hot cocoa sampler from me this christmas.
 
2006-10-01 11:30:52 AM
Up yours, Donna Taylor.

Fascist coont with a swiss cheese jackass son.
 
2006-10-01 11:31:56 AM
It bears repeating

Liberals can do no wrong

Neocons can DIAF
 
2006-10-01 11:32:36 AM
The 100 Most Challenged Books from 1990 - 2000, according to the American Library Association, can be found here:

http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/bbwlinks/100mostfrequently.htm

"t's not just the books under fire now that worry me. It is the books that will never be written. The books that will never be read. And all due to the fear of censorship. As always, young readers will be the real losers." - Judy Blume

www.cs.princeton.edu
www.theocracywatch.org
creazativity.typepad.com
 
2006-10-01 11:32:42 AM
It bears repeating

Liberals can do wrong

Neocons can help liberals DIAF
 
2006-10-01 11:34:43 AM
Rodeodoc: Muslims, of course, are free to just murder anyone who doesn't agree with them.

I didn't catch that quote in the article. Is it near the bottom?
 
2006-10-01 11:34:51 AM
Looks like they dun worred bout them kneegrows lernin ow to reed. If dem kids lern to reed, day mite not be so uhpressed an rise up agenst der owner.

/chikins cummin home to roost
 
2006-10-01 11:35:03 AM
This is from Book A Minute and it shows offers proof that the Potter books are magical.

Editor's Note:
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone is not just about magic; it is magic, for this single book is mysteriously comprised of two separate texts: there is the printed text that is experienced when the book is read, and there is the secret, more sinister text that is experienced when it is not read. This strange divergence has caused a lot of controversy, but we here at Book-A-Minute maintain the spirit of neutrality and uphold the freedom of personal choice. Rather than forcing our readership to subscribe to one text or the other, we have chosen to condense both versions of the text, thereby permitting concerned parents the choice of which version -- if either -- to read to their children.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
(aka: Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone)
(printed version)
By J. K. Rowling
Ultra-Condensed by Samuel Stoddard
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --
Harry Potter:I thought I was a lowly child; instead, I'm a wizard.
Hagrid: Harry, here are some secrets I'm not supposed to tell you.
Harry Potter: (saves the world)
THE END
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
(aka: Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone)
(secret version)
By J. K. Rowling
Ultra-Condensed by Samuel Stoddard

------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --
Harry Potter: I thought I was a lowly child; instead, I'm a wizard.

J. K. Rowling: Now that I have your attention, my pretties, here is how you perform satanic rituals and become demons.

THE END
 
2006-10-01 11:35:04 AM
84Charlie

You really should google up html or fark tags or something so you flame with the big boys.

/come strong or stay home.
//just kidding... still 90 minutes til kick-off so just out trolling
 
2006-10-01 11:35:58 AM
www.rushlimbaughonline.com

need I say more?
 
2006-10-01 11:36:25 AM
See Bees

3 things and 3 addenda:
If you don't want to read a book, then, don't read it!
If you don't want your children to read a book, then, don't let your children read it!
If you don't want me to read a book, then, go to hell!


if you don't want to see a television programme: don't watch it
if you don't want to your children to see a television programme: don't let them
if you don't want me to see a television programme: fukc off!

a few rules to live by....good job See Bees .
 
2006-10-01 11:37:07 AM
i want to start a bible burning party, whos with me?
 
2006-10-01 11:37:15 AM
whitetrashcompactor
What can I say, I'm lazy today. It is a beautiful Sunday morning and I too am waiting for kickoff.
 
2006-10-01 11:37:31 AM
Jakevol2

Liberals can do no wrong nothing useful

There, fixed that for you.
 
2006-10-01 11:39:54 AM
KiplingKat I'm still trying to find evidence anyone, anywhere, has tried to ban the Bible as you claimed.

The Catholic Church did.
 
2006-10-01 11:40:21 AM
Not only is this a terrible and misleading headline, it illustrates one of the issues of book banning. Namely, that people don't read the book(s) they want banned--they react to excerpts and isolated passages. Hey, headline writer, at least you didn't write "liberry."
 
2006-10-01 11:40:52 AM
Liberals can do no wrong nothing useful

There, fixed that for you.


Oh so that is what I got wrong. Gee my whole outlook on life has changed. We fight the terrorist there so we dont have to fight them here. They hate us for our freedom.

I totally get it now!

The scales have fallen from my eyes. I once was blind and now I see. Praise baby Jebus.

/Shiiiiiit
 
2006-10-01 11:42:00 AM
84Charlie

Tell me your a Seahawk fan? That would be perfect. Go Bears.

/by the way I wanted to make sure you got the latest fox news talking point- stop sending sexually explictit IM's to young boys. the biased liberal media can get their hands on them and spin them into something negative.
//at least o'riley was inappropriate with an adult!
 
2006-10-01 11:44:39 AM
Remember, of course, this is of people who support banning anything
 
2006-10-01 11:44:46 AM
//at least o'riley was inappropriate with an adult!

Rush wasn't. Went down to the Dominican Republic with a whole bottle of Viagra to bump uglies with underage prostitutes.
 
2006-10-01 11:44:47 AM
NineInchNader: Wow, why all the hate for J.K.?

Because her work has mainstream popularity, which is intolerable to many online forum denizens, who see themselves as above the mainstream. See today's thread on overrated musicians for more examples.
 
2006-10-01 11:45:36 AM
All you guys bashing on JK Rowling can suck it. First of all most of you probably have not read all the books. Second of all she got almost a whole generation of kids to start reading/read. Which is more than anyone else can say.

Seriously anyone.... ever

P.S. Submitter sucks
 
2006-10-01 11:45:38 AM
RussianPooper

The whole "fixed that for ya'" thing is being driven into the ground really hysterical. Is there no farkism that people won't completely overuse is funnier and makes a point faster?

there, fixed that for ya.
 
2006-10-01 11:46:06 AM
I'm probably stoopid, but I cannot find any recent examples of books that were actually banned on the web site. They talk about "challenged books", but no specifics of bannings. They do say there were 405 "challenges" to books in 2005. In a country of 300 million, that's miniscule.

It's like road rage, keep broadening your definitions until you can "prove" there's a problem.
 
2006-10-01 11:47:01 AM
The Sofa King:

Liberals Partisan hacks can do nothing useful

There, now it's perfect.
 
2006-10-01 11:47:31 AM
emerson7

golf clap
 
2006-10-01 11:47:42 AM
Whoops, I stumbled onto another thread in which all the Farkers are blaming the Christians for stuff that TFA gives us no credit for.

And like it or not, everyone condones some level of censorship. Why, just the other day some ignorant PROLLY X'IAN cop censored my right to wave Mr. Willy at your daughter.

Not really, actually. But some ignorant PROLLY ATHEIST Farker would like to burn the religious section of the library. Tell me I'm wrong. I dare you.
 
2006-10-01 11:48:02 AM
Jakevol2

img521.imageshack.us
 
2006-10-01 11:48:08 AM
there would be no partisan politics if all the neocons would simply DIAF
 
2006-10-01 11:48:55 AM

The new RNC recruitment posters.



Whatever you do, children, don't read, follow.


www.ushmm.org

www.inweekly.net

www.ushmm.org
 
2006-10-01 11:51:44 AM
I have two Prussian Blue tickets I am not going to use. They're yours buddy!
 
2006-10-01 11:51:55 AM
whitetrashcompactor-

Keep drinking the DNC kool-aid.
 
2006-10-01 11:52:17 AM
KillTheSodomites: All you guys bashing on JK Rowling can suck it. First of all most of you probably have not read all the books. Second of all she got almost a whole generation of kids to start reading/read. Which is more than anyone else can say.


I have to agree. Aren't these children's books? I for one don't read the Ramona series for my own amusment these days. For my daughter? We're having a great time reading them together. No, these books are not The Foundation Trilogy or whatever. They aren't meant to be.
 
2006-10-01 11:52:53 AM
Agent C2H6O: And like it or not, everyone condones some level of censorship. Why, just the other day some ignorant PROLLY X'IAN cop censored my right to wave Mr. Willy at your daughter.

Speach and illegal behavior are very different things.

/your flame is weak young troller
 
2006-10-01 11:53:16 AM
Agent C2H6O: But some ignorant PROLLY ATHEIST Farker would like to burn the religious section of the library. Tell me I'm wrong. I dare you.

You're wrong. Burning the religious section would only be an ineffectual treatment of a symptom. Burning religious adherents on the other hand...
 
2006-10-01 11:55:20 AM
Didn't bother to read the thread, but my guess is that 99% of the people responding didn't bother to RTFA, and just took the idiot Subby's word for the fact that the books were actually banned, when such is not the case.

But hey, wouldn't want to deprive Farkers of their daily "Christians suck" frenzy, just to bring up something as irrelevant as facts.
 
2006-10-01 11:57:00 AM
Yeah, the headline is kind of misleading as it leads to an article about the ALA's Banned Books Week (which was last week).

Also, to answer awr's question from way back: According to WorldCat there at least 5,000 copies of Mein Kampf circulating in American libraries. There are also at least 12,000 copies of Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. The efforts to ban are clearly not working very well.

/Yay libraries!
 
2006-10-01 11:57:05 AM
84Charlie: whitetrashcompactor-

Keep drinking the DNC kool-aid.


Cue cartman, "guess again dumbass"

whitetrashcompactor=libertarian
 
2006-10-01 11:58:04 AM
My html skills are also clearly not working very well.
 
2006-10-01 11:59:27 AM

Agent C2H6O: But some ignorant PROLLY ATHEIST Farker would like to burn the religious section of the library. Tell me I'm wrong. I dare you.


Are you kidding? That's where I learned that Christianity is nothing more than a religion stolen from the Perisans (Zoroastrians), Egyptians and Greeks.

Read about the Myth of Attis. It's the first resurrection story, circa 5000 BCE. Attis is also called Ishtar and... (drumroll please)...EASTER. Goddess of Spring. Dies in winter, is resurrected in spring.

Funny, ignorant Christians.

www.wilsonsalmanac.com
 
2006-10-01 12:03:11 PM
You'd better never read the definition of "hypocrit", bigomdickhead. It might make your brain explode. But then, most Farknobs trying to pass themselves off as "athiests" when in fact they're just garden variety jackasses have a similar problem to yours.
 
2006-10-01 12:03:33 PM
I don't think the thread is really "Christians suck". It's more about how fundies are really scary.

/note to self, remeber to continue stocking the bunker. add classic literature to supply list (looks like it will fall somewhere between candy corn and curry powder)
 
2006-10-01 12:03:34 PM
www.pekingduck.org


Just exercising my right to free speech.
 
2006-10-01 12:04:17 PM
AladinSane: You'd better never read the definition of "hypocrit", bigomdickhead. It might make your brain explode. But then, most Farknobs trying to pass themselves off as "athiests" when in fact they're just garden variety jackasses have a similar problem to yours.


wtf?
 
2006-10-01 12:07:33 PM
Agent C2H6O

"Agent Dimethylether"?

/just wondering
 
2006-10-01 12:08:51 PM
Crown Of Negativity

For some reason that picture seems to be point in the general direction of something gross...
 
2006-10-01 12:10:49 PM
Other authors on the list include John Steinbeck, for racism, violent language and sexism in Of Mice and Men, Harper Lee for To Kill a Mocking-Bird and William Golding for Lord of the Flies.

I guess I am a bad person because I love all three of these books.

/Odd that they should want to ban Lord of the Flies. Eh, Piggy?
 
2006-10-01 12:15:23 PM
I don't think the thread is really "Christians suck". It's more about how fundies are really scary.

If only that were true. But looking through the tread, what I see is a lot of people who apparently have never heard the word "irony", writing things like "I hate Christians because they're ignorant and intolerant, and I want them burned alive because Easter is actually an ancient pagan holiday."

Now, since you seem to be a rarity here, in that you appear to both have and use your brain, let's talk about the real issue at hand: Tribalism. Tribalism is the lowest of all human impulses- the desire to demonize and attack other human beings, based soley on the idea that they belong to a "different group" than you do. Thus, Muslims attack Christians, Democrats attack Republicans, Red Sox fans attack Yankees fans, and "Fark Athiests" throw these idiotic fits every time there's a thread that mentions religion in any context whatsoever.

Tribalism is the most juvenile, idiotic, retarded impulse in all of human nature, and is the foundational cause of just about every problem we face today. And it has nothing to do with religion- "religion" is just one of the arbitrary, idiotic rubrics that Tribalists use to advance their pathetic cause of Hate. And that's why threads like this bug me so much- the Tribalists are all apparently too stupid to see the hipocrisy of their actions. No guys, it's NOT the "christians" or the "neocons" or the "Mets fans" that are causing all the problems. It's extremists that spread hate just because of the personal lable that they've attached to themself.
 
2006-10-01 12:16:49 PM
AladinSane: You'd better never read the definition of "hypocrit", bigomdickhead. It might make your brain explode. But then, most Farknobs trying to pass themselves off as "athiests" when in fact they're just garden variety jackasses have a similar problem to yours.

Not only have I read it, I also know how to spell hypocrite.

Who says I'm an athiest? Not me. You did. And you would be wrong.

And now for the flag of the Aryan Nations, a not-so-extreme version of the Christian-fascist Republican movement.

content.answers.com
 
2006-10-01 12:17:41 PM
www.twilighttimesbooks.com
 
2006-10-01 12:18:01 PM
"As this puts me in the company of Harper Lee, Mark Twain, JD Salinger, William Golding, John Steinbeck and other writers I revere, I take my annual inclusion on the list as a great honour."

I don't care how many idiot kids and their disturbed parents read your damn books...you aren't worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as Lee, Twain, Salinger, Golding, and Steinbeck
 
2006-10-01 12:20:49 PM
Who believes in Witchcraft anymore? Those are the people that we should be worried about. Believing in ridiculous superstitions like that seriously makes me wonder about their mental stability.
 
2006-10-01 12:22:02 PM
A list of the top ten challenged books in this decade. Courtesy of the ALA

1. Harry Potter series by J.K. Rowling

2. "The Chocolate War" by Robert Cormier

3. Alice series by Phyllis Reynolds Naylor

4. "Of Mice and Men" by John Steinbeck

5. "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings" by Maya Angelou

6. "Fallen Angels" by Walter Dean Myers

7. "It's Perfectly Normal" by Robie Harris

8. Scary Stories series by Alvin Schwartz

9. Captain Underpants series by Dav Pilkey

10. "Forever" by Judy Blume
 
2006-10-01 12:26:07 PM
AladinSane: I'd love to chat but it's almost kick off.

Happy Sunday!
 
2006-10-01 12:27:15 PM
Jakevol2

5. "I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings" by Maya Angelou


You gotta be shiattin' me.
 
2006-10-01 12:28:27 PM
Enough about these assholes already!

Somebody post some girly pics!!
 
2006-10-01 12:30:01 PM
Christians should always be mindful that, throughout history, their Bible was a banned book.


"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it."
www.fsvonline.org

"To limit the press is to insult a nation; to prohibit reading of certain books is to declare the inhabitants to be either fools or slaves."
~ Claude Adrien HELVÉTIUS
French philosopher (1715-71)
upload.wikimedia.org


Humanism Saves!

No Humanism, No Peace!
 
2006-10-01 12:30:33 PM
Jakevol2: 9. Captain Underpants series by Dav Pilkey

What? Why? Whoever tried to ban that one is a real party pooper.

/I work for a city library. We have about 10 copies of each Harry Potter book just in our small branch alone.
 
2006-10-01 12:30:36 PM
AladinSane
Tribalism is the lowest of all human impulses- the desire to demonize and attack other human beings, based soley on the idea that they belong to a "different group" than you do.

Like, for example, attacking things your tribe doesn't agree with i.e. by getting those things banned.


the Tribalists are all apparently too stupid to see the hipocrisy of their actions

Well spoken.
 
2006-10-01 12:35:38 PM
This is horrible! I'm going to go out and... keep reading Order of the Phoenix which I started on thursday after finishing Goblet of Fire on Wednesday...


Screw you censors.
 
2006-10-01 12:36:37 PM
Jakevol2: I was a teenager when I checked out "Forever" from my local public library about 30 years ago (!). My mother took it back after I asked her, "Mom, what does 'come' mean??"

Mom had no problem with me reading the "Bloodletters and Badmen" series, which contains graphic descriptions of the most violent, sickening, and disgusting crimes ever committed.
 
2006-10-01 12:37:32 PM
MadAfro: Because her work has mainstream popularity, which is intolerable to many online forum denizens, who see themselves as above the mainstream. See today's thread on overrated musicians for more examples.

Best post of the day.
 
2006-10-01 12:37:51 PM
All Apologies: Who believes in Witchcraft anymore? Those are the people that we should be worried about. Believing in ridiculous superstitions like that seriously makes me wonder about their mental stability.

Petitionary spells v. Petitionary prayers. Spells v Prayers. Prayers v Spells. Saints v gods. Gods v saints. Asking a supernatural being or beings to change the nature of physical reality in one's favor.

Nope, I don't see a difference.
 
2006-10-01 12:43:02 PM
Personally, I think this is a blatant case of profiling, and if they are attempting to ban Rowling, they should ban all authors...


Two points to consider though:

1) These are not actual banninations; these are attempts to ban. Many if not most of the attempts were known they would fail from the get-go. The value to the originators was in the attempt, and the resultant publicity.

2) The target audience for these attempts - as well as attempts to introduce ID in schools - is not Mainstream America or Liberal America. The target is the large section of the population that tend to be socially and religiously conservative Protestants. The fundie extremists don't care how their words and actions are received by Farkers and MSM; they are more concerned about how it plays in venues like the Southern Baptist Convention.
 
2006-10-01 12:45:34 PM
I think it's really kind of amusing that not many folks are making the obvious argument here, which is that it's really quite retarded that so many people are getting upset about these books for promoting witchcraft, which, last time I checked, ISN'T REAL.

Let me repeat that for your benefit, America: witchcraft isn't real. Okay? Do you understand?

I could write a book extolling the virtues of baby-powered rocketships, but they don't exist. I could write volumes about how great the Tooth Fairy is. I could write books insisting that the ONLY correct way to brush your teeth is with toothbrushes made from unicorn-mane bristles. I would LIKE to think that no reasoning adult would be upset by these ideas.

Why do your brains go all soft about "witchcraft"?
 
2006-10-01 12:46:36 PM
The American Library Association (ALA), who compiled the list for their Banned Book Week, said there were more than 3,000 attempts to remove the books from libraries and schools between 2000 and 2005.

WTF? "Banned Book Week." What, do they gather for this every week?

That's f*cked up right there.
 
2006-10-01 12:47:09 PM
ya know Jakevol2, i absolutely endorse your right to speak freely...no matter how trite, unamusing, rank, vulgar, racsist, and vapid your turban image may be. ...just wish you'd try harder.
 
2006-10-01 12:47:55 PM
TVoD: Agent C2H6O "Agent Dimethylether"?


Thanks for the chuckle. Perhaps "Agent C2H5OH" might narrow the field a bit...
 
2006-10-01 12:49:07 PM
My english teacher in 11th grade was cool, he hated the idea of "banning books", so we read Huck Fin, Scarlett Letter (this book is horrid though), and Native Son. Before that I had read To Kill a Mocking Bird, which was awesome.

/fundies can go DIAF
//all of them
///pussification of america
 
2006-10-01 12:50:20 PM
She's not been banned, so there's no sense in going on another tirade about the stupidity of the average American parent.

However, I will note that I absolutely enjoyed the movie version of 'To Kill A Mockingbird' and liked the book and was a big fan of Twain as a child.

Besides, if the saps allowed 'Dianetics' by Ron Hubbard to be sold and available, it shows that folks have no common sense anyhow.
 
2006-10-01 12:52:15 PM
Looking good :naughty: JK that is. I'd hit it 20 times


/am not jk
 
2006-10-01 12:52:54 PM
img.timeinc.net
 
2006-10-01 12:53:17 PM
awr: I have a quick question for you Yanks. My local library has a copy Mein Kampf floating around, and other rather questionable works. Do you get that in public libraries over there?

I had a friend read it (or at least parts of it) back around junior high. Got it from the school library, IIRC.
 
2006-10-01 12:53:51 PM
That's it! I've had enough of these motherfarking fundies in this motherfarking country!

Seriously, I am not a Harry Potter fan. Never read one of those books, and I'm not tempted to in any way. They don't appeal to me. Saw the first movie, found it boring.

However, I am really sick of the "ban the book" freaks. You don't like these books? Do what I do and don't read them. America won't fall because kids like a book about sorcery. If you think these books are contrary to the values of your family, don't buy your kids these books. Period. And STFU.

As far as book burnings, well, as long as they're not violating any statutes about open flames, and they're only burning books they legally own, these gatherings are and should remain legal. However, that doesn't stop them from breaking my heart, and weeping for the future of this country. Get educated, and get a clue.
 
2006-10-01 12:54:00 PM
Descartes: I'd vote to ban Lord of the Flies.

/Gawd I hated that book.


but you read it and got to choose and decide for yourself.
 
2006-10-01 12:55:36 PM
All Apologies: Who believes in Witchcraft anymore? Those are the people that we should be worried about. Believing in ridiculous superstitions like that seriously makes me wonder about their mental stability.

Unless you believe the same about all religious (or otherwise) superstitions, DIAF. No difference between prayer and spells. They're both petitioning a greater force for aid.
 
2006-10-01 12:57:28 PM
ya know Jakevol2, i absolutely endorse your right to speak freely...no matter how trite, unamusing, rank, vulgar, racsist, and vapid your turban image may be. ...just wish you'd try harder.

You completely missed my point of my posting that image. No one is goingto take away my right to free speech. I don't care if it offends you or not. This is what the neocons have been trying to do to the liberals of America for a very long time. Claiming we should shut up or we are not true pacifists. If the neocons had it their way we would shut up and eat our granola.
 
2006-10-01 01:02:13 PM
Unless you believe the same about all religious (or otherwise) superstitions, DIAF.

Cast a spell then, see if it happens.

Actually, I do think that all religion is archaic and more than a little silly.
 
2006-10-01 01:03:48 PM
Petitionary spells v. Petitionary prayers. Spells v Prayers. Prayers v Spells. Saints v gods. Gods v saints. Asking a supernatural being or beings to change the nature of physical reality in one's favor.

I just happen to think that believing in Witchcraft is particularly silly.
 
2006-10-01 01:04:42 PM
shadesofblack
I think it's really kind of amusing that not many folks are making the obvious argument here, which is that it's really quite retarded that so many people are getting upset about these books for promoting witchcraft, which, last time I checked, ISN'T REAL.

I sometimes wonder whether those fundies feel so uneasy about magic in fantasy stories because it might be hard work to convince children (or even yourself) why magic in one book isn't real while the magic (and thus the stories) described in another book shouldn't be questioned and should define the way to live their lifes.
 
2006-10-01 01:07:26 PM
No, here's the real reason:

What happens when you correct one persistent typo?

"Ok, I have found, definitive proof that J.K Rowling is a dirty DIRTY woman, making a fool of us all."
 
2006-10-01 01:13:53 PM
KarmicRetribution
TVoD: Agent C2H6O "Agent Dimethylether"?

Thanks for the chuckle. Perhaps "Agent C2H5OH" might narrow the field a bit...


My chem teacher's mnemonic for that was:
"Herr Ober! 5 Helle, 2 Corn!" (acually "Korn" in German not "Corn"; but it is pronounced the same)

roughly translated:
"Mr waiter! 5 lagers, 2 corn!"
 
2006-10-01 01:21:44 PM
All Apologies: Cast a spell then, see if it happens.

No, I don't think I will, because I don't believe in magic. I also don't believe in prayer, for what it's worth. However, I can't see the difference between the two. They're both trying to draw on some power for aid.

Actually, I do think that all religion is archaic and more than a little silly.

Won't disagree there, but I also won't judge people who believe as stupid or useless, and I wouldn't try to ban it. Not saying you would, but just saying.

I just happen to think that believing in Witchcraft is particularly silly.

No more silly than prayer.
 
2006-10-01 01:22:08 PM
I own & have read both Mein Kampf & Mao's Little Red Book. That being said, the last book challenge I can recall in my area was for "Heather Has Two Daddies" because it's about a little girl who has two gay men as her daddies. Farking Springfield Public Library didn't ban it, but they removed it from the childrens section and put it behind the library checkout counter. You can still check it out, but you have to specifically ask for it. The challenge was from members of the OCA (Oregon Citizen's Alliance), a fundie organization that goes absolutely batshiat about anything even remotely homosexual in nature.
 
2006-10-01 01:24:22 PM
The Voice of Doom: I sometimes wonder whether those fundies feel so uneasy about magic in fantasy stories because it might be hard work to convince children (or even yourself) why magic in one book isn't real while the magic (and thus the stories) described in another book shouldn't be questioned and should define the way to live their lifes.

Real good point. Can someone please tell me the fundamental difference between works of religion and works of fantasy fiction, and why I should believe one or the other? They both tell of impossible things, so why is one bad and the other is fundamental to soceity?
 
2006-10-01 01:32:09 PM
OK, I'm spiritual. I'll put myself, and my faith, right in the middle of a Fark war by saying, I believe in things I can not prove and that science can not explain. I believe there are certain kinds of thoughts a person should steer clear of, and books a person should choose not to read. I think that there are books, in fact, that should never have been written. There are activities I don't do cuz I view the activity as a trap for the unwary, like drinking alcohol.
I also believe, as a fundamental part of my faith, that everything I've said here belongs inside my eyeballs and earbones, and normally, should not escape my lips.
 
2006-10-01 01:32:51 PM
Just do what a friend of mine has done. Check out the bibles, go to a quiet and somewhat secluded part of the library and fark it up badly with one of those massively(Serious) black sharpies.

/He did it because that library took Harry Potter, Mice and Men, and Catcher in the Rye off the shelves.
//Sometimes diplomacy doesn't work
 
2006-10-01 01:37:17 PM
Let me be as clear as possible, US citizens who want to ban books have absolutely no clue what the Constitution is all about and need to be re-educated in it's content, meaning and purpose.

Yes, people have the right disagree with the content of a book but to BAN it because you do is UNAMERICAN in every respect.


/Loves the Harry Potter series.
 
2006-10-01 01:40:59 PM
OK, what do you want to bet that "Hogwarts" are involved? I don't understand why their ideology of death hasn't been banned already.

Oh, wait...it has.
 
2006-10-01 01:45:02 PM
WITCHCRAFT. DOESN'T. EXIST.
 
2006-10-01 01:46:08 PM
Ahhh there we go, Americans once again proving that they WANT to be the most ignorant and oppressed country in the world... AGAIN. shiat like this just makes my week. Thanks America, for being such a douchebag.
 
2006-10-01 01:54:24 PM
We, as a country, have to seriously stop this whole "Think of the children" BS. I'm so sick and tired of people going around to censor everything because they don't want little Billy or Jamie to become immoral.
Stupid parents that think everything on this planet sound be child-friendly and if they don't like it, then it should be censored. Please, PLEASE, shut the F up. If you don't like the book, then don't go to the library and leave the normal people alone. And stop using religion as a means to promote your twisted, asinine crusades. I hate the fact that if one person finds something offensive when it is not and they are just overreacting as per usual, that this country caves in and gives them what they want. One person (hypothetical) doesn't like the book, so let's just ban it from everyone.
As I said earlier:
What idiot really and truly thinks that by reading this book, child will abandon religion and practice witchcraft?

To all fundy parents: Go. A. Way!
 
2006-10-01 01:56:35 PM
You know, cause I totally believe witchcraft exists.

What's this? Your savior turned water into wine? Sounds like witchcraft to me.

But banning to kill a mockingbird? That book has been around through ages and makes a point about certain things. You might want to ban it if you are too stupid to even get past the first page.

/how stupid do people get?
 
2006-10-01 02:02:33 PM
Canadian Canuck, hey...count em up, man!

Transubstantiation (water into wine)
Cure Disease (people followed him all over just for that, you know. Not to listen to him talk, but to say, "I hear you can cure me. Cure me! Cure me!")
Water Walk
Conjuring (loaves and fishes)
Necromancy (self applied)

Man. If anybody else tried even one of these during the Dark Ages, they'd be burned as a warlock.
 
2006-10-01 02:05:04 PM
you know what's great about these people that make a big pit and bon fire to burn all these books, is that they actually had to go BUY the book...to burn it. So really, they're just making her pockets deeper. The added attention to the so-called controversy also just entices other people's curiosity as to 'hmm, i wonder why they're banning this book..let me go buy a copy'. These incredibly devout Christians, or otherwise, should be more concerned about protesting against the douchebag we have in the oval office right now, instead of concentrating on children's literature.
 
2006-10-01 02:09:15 PM
Jakevol2: Why? Because she writes about wizards and magic and mythical creature in an eternal battle against evil?


My guess is because she's a horrible bloody writer.

Popularity doesn't equal quality.
 
2006-10-01 02:09:27 PM
2006-10-01 10:03:27 AM Teafortwo

You had a point until you proved you've never read a Harry Potter book, so kindly STFU. If you want originality, stop being human.
 
2006-10-01 02:10:31 PM
2006-10-01 02:09:15 PM Kaybeck

Popularity doesn't equal quality.

Nonconformity doesn't equal integrity.
 
2006-10-01 02:10:45 PM
Well if your a Christian - you believe magic is real.

So its not much of stretch to see why they fear these books.
 
2006-10-01 02:13:04 PM
coretnor: Nonconformity doesn't equal integrity.

needs repeating.
 
2006-10-01 02:15:33 PM
Are they planning on banning other colorful books such as The Bible & The Satanic Bible as well? No?

/what the fark
 
2006-10-01 02:19:14 PM
Jakevol2

You completely missed my point of my posting that image.

1. yes...i perhaps i did.

No one is goingto take away my right to free speech. I don't care if it offends you or not.

2. gotcha...i'm on your side.

This is what the neocons have been trying to do to the liberals of America for a very long time. Claiming we should shut up or we are not true pacifists. If the neocons had it their way we would shut up and eat our granola.

3. gotcha...we're on the same page.

/however, still don't get the point
//isn't that image classic neocon iconography?
 
2006-10-01 02:19:49 PM
Huh, never realized that Ms. Rowling was such a hotie.

Steinbeck is the only one on that list who should be banned. And only cause he sucks, not for any content issues.
 
2006-10-01 02:23:41 PM
Hey Fundies! Shakespeare is filled with tons of sexually expicit scenes/language, ban that too.

Oh right, you actually have to be able to understand what you're reading in order to be offended by it.
 
2006-10-01 02:24:02 PM
Public libraries should be expressly forbidden from banning any book, for any reason.
 
2006-10-01 02:28:05 PM
I encourage everyone to watch every season of Penn & Teller's BULLSHIAT! series. They cover several topics in this thread quite well!
 
2006-10-01 02:29:46 PM
meekychuppet

If anyone in this thread is over 12 and reads these books for pleasure - GET A BOOK FOR farkING ADULTS.


1) Remove stick from ass.
2) Photograph stick.
3) Post photograph on Fark.com.

Seriously, there's nothing wrong with reading kid's books. In fact, a lot of them are better than a lot of adult's books because kid's book authors don't expect their audience to put up with self-important preachy windbaggery. Two of my favourite books while growing up were Watership Down and Jurassic Park. Frankly, I think Watership Down is better: it manages to make a moral point without having an author effigy get up on a soapbox every chapter.

That said, I do enjoy stuff that's for adults. Jurassic Park, if you excise the windbaggery, is an enjoyable Icarus story. Dracula is awesome in both senses of the word--I don't understand why the movie adaptations so consistently suck. To Kill A Mockingbird is quiet but powerful. Rime Of The Ancient Mariner is fun to read aloud--try it!

I recognize I'm probably feeding a troll, but I'm a little annoyed by the pervasive attitude that if a book is aimed at children, it's automatically trash.
 
2006-10-01 02:30:10 PM
"Book-banners are few, have minimal impact, fail miserably"

This should have been the headline all along.
 
2006-10-01 02:31:36 PM
homepage.mac.com
 
2006-10-01 02:36:49 PM
Wow. Know I'm a Johnny-Come-Lately here but, dang, didn't anyone RTFA?

The American Library Association (ALA), who compiled the list for their Banned Book Week, said there were more than 3,000 attempts to remove the books from libraries and schools between 2000 and 2005.

Challenges, actually. And as stated on their website:
The ALA reports there were more than 3,000 attempts to remove books from schools and public libraries between 2000 and 2005. Challenges are defined as formal, written complaints filed with a library or school requesting that materials be removed because of content or appropriateness.
So we can figure that there were (round-abouts) +350 challenges concerning Potter books. Yet from this miniscule amount, we get this from a "Miki":

Harry Potter creator JK Rowling has been voted the author Americans most want to ban from libraries over fears that her books promote witchcraft.

WTF? How one can draw such a supposition is beyond me. Were that to be even remotely the case, the books wouldn't be sellouts, now would they?

Too many of you are so ready and willing to assume and/or take offense that you don't bother checking the relevence of the accusation. Get rid of the nose rings and start thinking on your own for a change!
 
2006-10-01 02:38:41 PM
Dhusk

Isn't practicing witchcraft legal in the US?

I say the witchcraft should be regulated the same way firearms are, maybe worse since thus far we have no reliable detection method. Praticing magic without a permit, you're in jail.
 
2006-10-01 02:40:19 PM
"If your library is not 'unsafe', it probably isn't doing its job."
- John Berry, III, Library Journal, October 1999
 
2006-10-01 02:45:39 PM
Found this amusing. Several years ago when the first Harry Potter book came out, I read it on a whim (I was a freshman in college? I think) and I recall talking with my mom about it. Mom is a die-hard Catholic and was sure--SURE--that the book was bad because it "promoted witchcraft." We actually fought about it when I was home for Thanksgiving that year.

Anyway, fast forward a few years, and mom is asking me if she can borrow book #6 in the series. She hadn't read them before she made her snap judgment, and once she did she changed her mind.
 
2006-10-01 02:50:00 PM
Someone should the fanatical Christians (or people in general) in on the fact that witchcraft is not real.
 
2006-10-01 02:50:42 PM
Someone should clue*
 
2006-10-01 02:56:30 PM
GoSurfing: Yeah, no shiat...that was pretty much my point in my previous post. About the civil rights movement...the Republican party had pretty much already been dead by that point too with farking idiots like Strom Thurmond in there...

FYI, when Strom Thurmond was writing his Southern Manifesto and filibustering 1957 Civil Rights legislation he was a Democrat. Didn't switch until 1964.

As for what the article was about WHO CARES! It's 3000 complaints. How many people live in this country? This is not even a blip on the radar.
 
2006-10-01 02:56:52 PM
A bit off topic but, now that I reflect on past abuse inflicted by the academy, I can't imagine I'd suffer any anguish if the collected works of Jane Austen somehow DIAFF.
 
2006-10-01 03:03:47 PM
LightCloud Just for the record, no you don't belong on any respectable list with those names.

AMEN! I think those books are overrated. It's a gah-damn childrens book. Does Judy Blume belong on a list of classic authors? HELL NO! Just because her books are on a "we want to ban these books" list, doesn't make her a good author. It just means she have a controversial book.

on another note, (even thought I hate those books, and yes, I've read every one of them) I don't think they should get banned. People should be alowed to read whatever they want whenever they want, even if it's a bunch of dribble.
 
2006-10-01 03:10:39 PM
sorry for the spelling mistakes in previous post.
 
2006-10-01 03:19:47 PM
Anyone on the internet knows that no matter what you say or do, somebody's going to have a problem with it. I wouldn't go drawing broad conclusions about the state of society or liberty from the fact that a handful of random nutbags get their knickers in a knot about a book.
 
2006-10-01 03:21:32 PM
Two questions:

1) How many challenges were successful?

2) Are these public schools/libraries or private schools/libraries?

Also note the footnote "sometimes works are challenged in a school and school library" so some of these incidents are being double-counted.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, banning books is bad. But, per #1, show me that books are actually being banned. Also, per #2, it is one thing for a public library to ban books but it is something else for, say, a small private Christian school to ban a book.

Remember the ALA is also a lobbying association that is trying to drum up donations and support for its own activities.

Who knows.
 
2006-10-01 03:23:49 PM
Her books should be banned just because I'M SICK TO F-ING HELL OF HEARING ABOUT THEM! Good God! Make it stop! Make her go away! Her little limey, four-eyed twerp is a public nusiance!

Is this all the world of publishing has to offer us? Harry Potter, Harry Potter, Harry Potter and The Da Vinci Code?

What a lame era for the art-form of writing. What an unimaginative industry.

And, yeah, let's all hoot at the "Jesus freaks." Writing a nasty letter to a librarian is a far cry from shooting AND stabbing Theo Van Gogh on the street.

"They came for the crappy magical fiction books, and I did not speak up because I wasn't a crappy-magical-fiction nerd..."
 
2006-10-01 03:27:58 PM
e4tango: . Get rid of the nose rings and start thinking on your own for a change!

That someone would want any book banned is pretty much no less bad than having the book banned.

woman_in_red_dress: I think those books are overrated. It's a gah-damn childrens book. Does Judy Blume belong on a list of classic authors? HELL NO!

Some of the best books ever written are children's book. Half the problem with children''s lit today is people think children are incapable of enjoying or understanding good writing.
 
2006-10-01 03:29:53 PM
st. cuervo: 2) Are these public schools/libraries or private schools/libraries?

Actually some of the books have been banned before at certain public libraries and school libraries.
 
2006-10-01 03:30:39 PM
bigdomdickus
"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it."

Voltaire didn't say that, though he believed it.
 
2006-10-01 03:34:47 PM
WhyteRaven74
Some of the best books ever written are children's book. Half the problem with children's lit today is people think children are incapable of enjoying or understanding good writing.

To back you up The Hobbit is meant for kids not yet in middle school.
 
2006-10-01 03:48:13 PM
Since when have stupid blogs been a source of news for Fark?
 
2006-10-01 03:49:43 PM
arethusa
Quoted: Other complaints highlighted books with violent content or promoting homosexuality or a religious viewpoint

Darn, there go those Christians trying to ban books with religious viewpoints again!


Yes. Which is why "Curses, Hexes and Spells" by Daniel Cohen, "The House of Spirits" by Isabel Allende, "The Witches" by Roald Dahl, and the Harry Potter series by J.K. Rowling are on the list.

You'll notice that the Left Behind series by LaHaye and Jenkins, "This Present Darkness" by Frank Peretti, and "Thr3e" by Ted Dekker (which, by the way, is the cheesiest rip-off ever of another work) are absent from the list.

Remember that in fundamentalist Christianity all other religions are anathema (as they detract from the Truth of the One True God). Personally, I think God Almighty is more than capable of taking care of Himself.
 
2006-10-01 03:56:31 PM
The ALA list of banned books is the greatest con game going. 99.9% of the time there is NO actual banning of books just complaints from folks WANTING to ban books. If some asshat makes a complaint the book makes it to the ALA list whether or not there was an actual ban.

The ALA then promotes the list and says "We're defending your freedoms!" No your not your just compiling a list of books that some asshats complain about. The complaints come from asshats of all stripes. True most of the time its fundies seeing the devil every where but my college library had to deal with an unltra-liberal dude who wanted EVERY book with the n-word in it withdrawn from circulation! He had quite a sizeable list.
 
2006-10-01 04:10:06 PM
Oracle of Bandwidth: To back you up The Hobbit is meant for kids not yet in middle school.

that was one of the books I had in mind :)
 
2006-10-01 04:20:54 PM
coretnor

You had a point until you proved you've never read a Harry Potter book, so kindly STFU. If you want originality, stop being human.

See making assumption is bad, be it about a person or about a book.

I've read all of them. I've even read Order of the Phoenix before most people on this forum, as I bought it the day it came out in the UK and read it on the plane back home. All 600 pages of it in 9 hours.

And you say that because of the Gaiman comment? Lol... Go read The Books of Magic miniserie and STFU. I'm not talking about originality. I was refering to your comment that stated that her ending of the last book was good writing.
 
2006-10-01 04:22:33 PM
To me, the fact that people want to ban it only suggests that it has something original to say.

I remember hearing once that older folks thought Mozzart was terrible and avant-gard, or however it's spelled. Couldn't understand that noise all those twenty-somethings were practicing on their violins.
 
2006-10-01 04:23:01 PM
"Well if they are going to ban anything it should be "Catcher in the Rye". There was a very, very boring book."

Oh THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! I have NEVER understood why people go batshiat about how "GREAT" that book is. It's just some shiathead kid saying "Goddam this and Goddam that" incessantly. In fact, ALL of Salinger's books suck, I have NEVER read one that I could stand. I'm not for burning OR banning ANY books, except maybe the Bible. And only because it makes some people think that they can tell others how to live their lives, kill people of other beliefs or who have different morals, values, or desires than they do. Too many people have been killed, tortured, or penalized simply because they don't WANT to believe in the magical sky wizard and his book (that was written by PEOPLE, not "God", BTW). That book has too much misery and death on its pages for me to care about it. We would ALL be much better off without that thing around, that's for certain.

And when will people learn that trying to ban books just makes smart people want to read them MORE? My mom had "The Turner Diaries" and her FBI friend went off on how TERRIBLE that book was, how RACIST, blah blah blah, so I just HAD to take it and read it. And I LIKED it, it's sitting on my bookshelf right now, right next to "Lord of the Flies" and "The Grapes of Wrath" which is one of my all-time favorite books, simply because it's timeless. You can see the parallel between the Okies and the illegals, if you aren't a total retard, that is. I have never read any of the Harry Potter books, but I think I will now. I DO have many, many witchcraft books though, so how would the fundie dipshiats explain my interest in it if they can't blame Harry Potter? I also found a list of books that people have tried to ban, and I printed it out just so I could get those books and read them. Nothing is more interesting or fun to me than learning, and if I can learn AND piss off the fundie sheep at the same time, I'm all for it! Hell, if they don't want to read those books, fine, more power to them. If they WANT to be ignorant people that blindly follow what some religion tells them to do, that's their choice, but do NOT try to make ME as stupid as YOU are! I will never, EVER understand why people choose to be ignorant, and then try to drag others down to their level. I don't WANT to believe in, or worship, the magical sky wizard and his book of fairy tales, and I do NOT want you to shove your ideas of "morality" and "decency" on me...why can't these fundamentalist jackoffs UNDERSTAND THAT? AAAGH, it makes me so freaking ANGRY!!!
 
2006-10-01 04:43:19 PM
shadesofblack: I think it's really kind of amusing that not many folks are making the obvious argument here, which is that it's really quite retarded that so many people are getting upset about these books for promoting witchcraft, which, last time I checked, ISN'T REAL.

Let me repeat that for your benefit, America: witchcraft isn't real. Okay? Do you understand?

I could write a book extolling the virtues of baby-powered rocketships, but they don't exist. I could write volumes about how great the Tooth Fairy is. I could write books insisting that the ONLY correct way to brush your teeth is with toothbrushes made from unicorn-mane bristles. I would LIKE to think that no reasoning adult would be upset by these ideas.

Why do your brains go all soft about "witchcraft"?



Applause
 
2006-10-01 05:08:48 PM
Wizards First Rule: People are stupid.

/Obscure?
//Moronic?
 
2006-10-01 05:17:02 PM
This reminds me of something that I watched in my Multicultural Literature class-- this woman was holding a press conference in protest of her daughter being "forced" to read Huck Finn because of the racist language. Nevermind that Twain was an abolitionist and that Huck Finn was written in PROTEST of racism. She had obviously never read the book and the funny that is that she was white...her daughter was half-black and her opinion of her self as some sort of civil rights warrior was hilarious.
 
2006-10-01 05:21:31 PM
Some people just don't like the library because the same information you pay thousands of dollars to hear in a college class room can be had for free from the library. We know how people are; their sentiment is "if I have to pay for it, everyone should have to!"
 
2006-10-01 05:22:19 PM
Farking muggles.
 
2006-10-01 05:28:13 PM
Harry Potter is fantasy. No attempt is made to make kids believe that spellcasting works, therefore there's nothing wrong with the books (aside from the most recent ones being of lower quality, imho).
 
2006-10-01 05:30:10 PM
profanecleric

Wouldn't that be Muggles are stupid? ;-) Maybe I just have the wrong series.
 
2006-10-01 05:44:23 PM
kaiserinamanda
AAAGH, it makes me so freaking ANGRY!!!

www.coffeeadikt.com
 
2006-10-01 05:49:43 PM
Jin Verde

Indeed, different series, but given the politobabbel going on in here with people defending different sides the quote seemed appropriate. Besides both series has wizards an stuff.
 
2006-10-01 06:05:18 PM
From a comment on the same page as the article:
Ban books in my town, and I will personally make sure the entire list is delivered via Amazon to your doorstop for every Christian holiday promising peace on Earth and good will toward men.

This is the best idea I've heard in a long time. I'd be more than willing to shell out some $$$ to do this.
 
2006-10-01 06:17:16 PM
How about banning the Harry Potter books because they're pure shiat?

/has read Harry Potter
//yes, it's still shiat
///it's true.
////somewhere, JK Rowling is smoking cigars rolled in hundred dollar bills while a team of monkeys make up words for her to use in her next 'book'.
//still the sheep go 'baaaaah'.
//slashie.
 
2006-10-01 06:17:29 PM
i5.photobucket.com
 
2006-10-01 06:17:41 PM
Who let the fundies out again?
God damnit, I told you to lock that farking door.
 
2006-10-01 06:33:14 PM
To all the people saying "there's nothing wrong with the books, because witchcraft isn't real," try telling that to one of these wannabe asshat censors. To save time, here's a list of the Bible verses they'll refer you to:

Deuteronomy 18:10-12; 2 Kings 21:6; Micah 5:12; Isaiah 47:12; Ezekiel 13:18, 20; Acts 8:11-24; Leviticus 20:27; Exodus 7:11; Revelation 9:21; 21:8; 22:15; Galatians 5:20-21

As hard as it may be for the rest of us to believe, fundies actually think magic works (and I don't mean the Penn & Teller variety.)

Oh yeah, at least one person up the thread mentioned Star Wars and the Force; some of the fundies won't let their kids see that, either, on the grounds that it promotes "new age mysticism."
 
2006-10-01 06:36:18 PM
Too many 1984 readers in here. For the do not burn books, ever(.) crowd...

Do you feel all information should always be public to everyone, always?

If there is a situation that it should not, how about if it's printed in a book?
 
2006-10-01 06:46:59 PM
Billy-Bob Kenobi

Tell them Jesus was a wizard and explain through D&D rules. It's a laugh riot how they react, and this tip come sfrom a catholic (lol!).

No, really. Tell them about the Magi that visited Jesus, and then tell that in ancient times every frikken' wise man was called wizard. Look at them twich, tape it and post it on YouTube.

/Jesus Saves, everyone else takes 1/2 damage
//This implies that Jesus had monk levels?
///Window seat please
////Though I think the Man is down with jokes
//Unlike the monks of In the Name of the Rose
 
2006-10-01 06:48:56 PM
uidzero
Do you feel all information should always be public to everyone, always?

Yes.
 
2006-10-01 06:52:29 PM
I wonder how many of the people on this thread saying "Christians suck" have read "The Lord of The Rings"?

And of those people, I wonder how many of them know that J.R.R. Tolkein was a devout Catholic?
 
2006-10-01 06:54:53 PM
CygnusDarius: Tell them Jesus was a wizard and explain through D&D rules. It's a laugh riot how they react, and this tip come sfrom a catholic (lol!).

I'm more familiar with the White Wolf system... wonder what level of Matter you need to turn water into wine, and how many paradox points it would earn?
 
2006-10-01 07:04:26 PM
Cast a spell then, see if it happens.

been there.
done that.
works just fine.

/amateurs
 
2006-10-01 07:25:05 PM
Attn stupid American rednecks: these books are works of fiction. FICK-SHUN.

That is, not real, and not intended to be real. Imaginary.

FICK-SHUN!!!!!!
 
2006-10-01 07:30:11 PM
Having not read the topic or the FA, I'm going to assume there's a lot of adults defending a children's series of books here.

Lol.
 
2006-10-01 08:13:19 PM
Reposting:

Wow. Know I'm a Johnny-Come-Lately here but, dang, didn't anyone RTFA?

The American Library Association (ALA), who compiled the list for their Banned Book Week, said there were more than 3,000 attempts to remove the books from libraries and schools between 2000 and 2005.

Challenges, actually. And as stated on their website:
The ALA reports there were more than 3,000 attempts to remove books from schools and public libraries between 2000 and 2005. Challenges are defined as formal, written complaints filed with a library or school requesting that materials be removed because of content or appropriateness.
So we can figure that there were (round-abouts) +350 challenges concerning Potter books. Yet from this miniscule amount, we get this from a "Miki":

Harry Potter creator JK Rowling has been voted the author Americans most want to ban from libraries over fears that her books promote witchcraft.

WTF? How one can draw such a supposition is beyond me. Were that to be even remotely the case, the books wouldn't be sellouts, now would they?

Too many of you are so ready and willing to assume and/or take offense that you don't bother checking the relevence of the accusation. Get rid of the nose rings and start thinking on your own for a change!
 
2006-10-01 08:14:10 PM
Major Thomb

I beg to differ. The only lawsuits I see going on are trying to ban religious sounding stuff. The ACLU and their anti-free speach agenda.

Oh ya, nobody hates free speech like the ACLU. Moran.
 
2006-10-01 08:17:28 PM
Billy-Bob Kenobi
I'm more familiar with the White Wolf system... wonder what level of Matter you need to turn water into wine, and how many paradox points it would earn? Back in that time the belief in magic was commonplace so I wouldn't think there would be a paradox dilemma.
 
2006-10-01 08:28:12 PM
Harry Potter sucks, but it has every right to be on the shelves with all the other lame fiction books.
 
2006-10-01 08:28:26 PM
Personally, I thought Slaughterhouse Five sucked big time. I heard so much about it and picked it up. What. A. Bore.

My favorite classics are 1984 and Johnny Got His Gun.
 
2006-10-01 08:31:30 PM
You'd need two dots in Matter and two in Prime if you wanted the effect to be permanent. If you were going to drink the wine within the next hour or so, just two in Matter.
 
2006-10-01 09:13:00 PM
Pope John Paul II thought Harry Potter was a charming story and children should be able to read it. Any Christian, up to his death, are being Bad Christians by harping on a dead subject. Pope Palpatine, however, hates Harry Potter and now they're good Christians again.
 
2006-10-01 10:22:12 PM
drivingsocrates.com



And by the way, why would people who don't believe if witchcraft and think its horrible if they don't believe in it? Why would you ban a fiction book? Things like these frustrate me. Expecially Emma Watson (It's okay for me to think dirty thoughts still)
 
2006-10-01 10:23:34 PM
My list of must-read books:

Fahrenheit 451
1984
A Brave New World
Harrison Bergeron

Yeah. All the dystopian classics.
So that you'll know stupid when you see it.
 
2006-10-01 10:50:37 PM
Other authors on the list include John Steinbeck, for racism, violent language and sexism in Of Mice and Men, Harper Lee for To Kill a Mocking-Bird and William Golding for Lord of the Flies.
So, in other words, good literature. When you can turn down a book using one word or one idea, it basically means you haven't read it.

//Anyone actually interested in witchcraft would probably turn their nose up at Potter.
 
2006-10-01 11:05:50 PM
To all our fundie-friends...

M-E-T-A-P-H-O-R. Metaphors are not real. They are symbols that have a deeper meaning. Again, let me repeat, they are not real. I know this is very hard to believe, but parts of the Bible are even filled with metaphors. And if you think about it, language itself is like a metaphor.

Jeez. You would think that we havent been through this over the last few thousand years.
 
Biv
2006-10-01 11:47:18 PM
More Emma needed.
www.teenidols4you.com
 
2006-10-02 12:54:39 AM
Rowling said: "As this puts me in the company of Harper Lee, Mark Twain, JD Salinger, William Golding, John Steinbeck and other writers I revere, I take my annual inclusion on the list as a great honour."

And there folks, is the great tragedy in all of this.
 
2006-10-02 01:56:25 AM
Jakevol2: Just exercising my right to free speech.
Dear God. You know what you've just done???

They're going to blow up the Internet.
 
2006-10-02 02:46:10 AM
I understand how Rowling might like being banned - I draw cartoons for the school newspaper here at NU and the best part of it all is the hate mail that comes in when I do a particularly good one... getting banned by a bunch of retards while you're sitting on billions of dollars and world fame must be pretty funny...
 
2006-10-02 06:23:43 AM
This whole thread is darksided
 
2006-10-02 07:58:45 AM
Jakevol2: Why? Because she writes about wizards and magic and mythical creature in an eternal battle against evil?

It has nothing to do with subject material and everything to do with the quality of the work.

What JK Rowling writes is the literary equivilent of bubblegum. This is not meant as a disparagement -- it's just a statement of fact. Bubblegum may be tasty and fun to chew on, but it can't be called fine dining. Likewise, The Harry Potter books are fun to read, but they are by no strech of the imagination literary masterpieces.

I would make the same argument about Anne McCaffrey's writing as well -- and I've read most of her stuff as well. Just because a book is fun to read does not make it fine literature.

I guess JRR Tolkien is a just a hack too.

If you honestly cannot appreciate the diffrence in the depth of writing and the literary craftsmanship between Harry Potter and Lord Of The Rings, I feel sorry for you.

They are both entertaining stories, but comparing LotR to HP is like comparing the Mona Lisa to a picture from Sears Portrait Studio.
 
2006-10-02 09:44:10 AM
From The 100 Most Frequently Challenged Books of 1990-2000:

#88. Where's Waldo? by Martin Hanford

WTF? How, in any possible way, could these books be viewed as controversial?
 
2006-10-02 12:58:42 PM
From the Grand Arbiter of Truth on the subject of fiction with a supernatural slant:

"The cult of The X-Files has been defended as harmless because it is, after
all, only fiction. On the face of it, that is a fair defence. But regularly
recurring fiction - soap operas, cop series and the like - are legitmately
criticized if, week after week, they systematically present a one-sided view
of the world. The X-Files is a television series in which, every week, two
FBI agents face a mystery. One of the two, Scully, favours a rational,
scientific explanation; the other agent, Mulder, goes for an explanation
which is either supernatural or, at very least, glorifies the inexplicable.
The problem with The X-Files is that routinely, relentlessly, the
supernatural explanation, or at least the Mulder end of the spectrum,
usually turns out to be the answer. I'm told that, in recent episodes, even
the sceptical agent Scully is starting to have her confidence shaken, and no
wonder.

But isn't it just harmless fiction, then? No, I think the defence rings
hollow. Imagine a television series in which two police officers solve a
crime each week. Every week there is one black suspect and one white
suspect. One of the two detectives is always towrds the black suspect, the
other biased towards the white. And, week after week, the black suspect
turns out to have done it. So, what's wrong with that? After all, it's only
fiction! Shocking as it is, I believe the analogy to be a completely fair
one. I am not saying that supernaturalist propaganda is as dangerous or
unpleasant as racist propaganda. But The X-Files systematically purveys an
anti-rational view of the world which, by virtue of its recurrent
persistence, is insidious."


Richard Dawkins
pg 28
Unweaving the Rainbow

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2006-10-02 01:04:26 PM
Whew! Those silly Christians atheists! Now, where was I? Oh, yeah - Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!
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2006-10-02 01:53:38 PM
Great_Milenko: WITCHCRAFT. DOESN'T. EXIST

Sure it does.
The same way Christianity exists. That doesn't mean that its true or that it works, but it certainly exists. The difference between Witchcraft and Christianity is that Christians believe that they get their power through God by prayer. Witches believe that they get their power either from nature or from one of many dieties through ritual.

Come to think of it... there isn't much difference, is there.
 
2006-10-02 04:48:18 PM
#88. Where's Waldo? by Martin Hanford

WTF? How, in any possible way, could these books be viewed as controversial?


If you look carefully, there's a few 'alternative lifestyle' individuals in the pictures. Still no nudity though.
 
2006-10-02 07:20:52 PM
No DaVinci Code?
 
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