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(Baltimore Sun)   Japan's new prime minister talks about increasing military power, preemptive strikes, encouraging patriotism among school children and, oh, getting rid of that pesky passivist constitution. Because it went so well last time   (baltimoresun.com) divider line 201
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2006-09-29 09:48:51 AM
He's feelin' that Tojo Mojo!
 
2006-09-29 09:59:15 AM
With N. Korea threatening to become a nuclear power, I bet they do go for it. It's hard to make the case for pacifism in small, valueable countries now that the UN is incapable of stopping anything and the US has warmachinetm fatigue.
 
2006-09-29 10:00:44 AM
I didn't know George Bush was now the Prime Minister of Japan....
 
2006-09-29 10:01:28 AM
GaryPDX
Which isn't so bad as long as they're on our side.

This line of thinking has never caused any problems before.
 
2006-09-29 10:06:16 AM
www.ipal.jp
 
2006-09-29 10:09:22 AM
FriarTuck: With N. Korea threatening to become a nuclear power, I bet they do go for it. It's hard to make the case for pacifism in small, valueable countries

The Japanese have defense forces (JSDF), which trains like a regular army. They can only be used for defense purposes, though. By altering the constitution (specifically Article 9), Abe can construct military forces which he can use for more offensive reasons.
 
2006-09-29 10:30:39 AM
Last One Left: The Japanese have defense forces (JSDF), which trains like a regular army.

The JSDF is far from a regular army, though. Any army where you can legally resign at anytime is hardly going to dissuade North Korea from doing anything.

But they do a good job at peacekeeping.
 
2006-09-29 10:48:56 AM
Last One Left

The difference is the JSDF has no real ability to project power.
 
2006-09-29 10:49:39 AM
FriarTuck: The JSDF is far from a regular army, though. Any army where you can legally resign at anytime is hardly going to dissuade North Korea from doing anything.

South Korea has more reasons to be worried than Japan does, and it seeks a more conciliatory solution to the problem. Even if Japan starts building a military tomorrow, it won't match the weight or strength of the US military, and the US is already engaged in this matter. Military power won't dissuade North Korea.

The JSDF isn't a regular army, but it isn't weak either. Also, he isn't seeking to change the rules of the JSDF or increase its budget, both of which would be understandable. His stated goal is to create a military force which he can use for situations which do not involve Japan's defence. That's the problem.

His visits to the Yasukuni shrine and his insistence on making Japan more nationalistic haven't helped matters.
 
2006-09-29 10:56:43 AM
LineNoise: The difference is the JSDF has no real ability to project power.

Obviously, that is by design. They are for self-defense only.
 
2006-09-29 10:59:09 AM
Last One Left
Obviously. In terms of what they are do, they are very capablem, modern, and well trained.

Japan with the ability to land boots on foreign soil would make me a little nervous if I was Korean, Chinese, or Russian, from the last time around though. Many of the things they did in the 20s-40s made nazi concentration camps look like vacation spas.
 
2006-09-29 11:09:09 AM
LineNoise: Japan with the ability to land boots on foreign soil would make me a little nervous if I was Korean, Chinese, or Russian, from the last time around though.

I'm none of those, but I live in a Chinese city, which was once occupied by the Japanese. If cross-straits ties start failing, or if Japan and China go at it in a military build-up, I'm frankly quite screwed.

That being said, Abe could do a lot to pacify people in the region in various ways, but I just don't see that happening.
 
2006-09-29 11:17:34 AM
Sure this was Japan's new Prime Minister and not Bush???
 
2006-09-29 11:18:24 AM
Is this that "Abe" guy? Lincoln or Vigoda or whatever?
 
2006-09-29 11:19:04 AM
I didn't know George Bush was now the Prime Minister of Japan....

Deserved repeating...
 
2006-09-29 11:19:24 AM
Nationalism scares me.

Every country that's gotten extremely nationalistic--or "patriotic"--has gone on a freakin' rampage.

Look at history, from Greece onward. The more patriotic they got, the more of a danger they were.

/And that goes doubly for us.
 
2006-09-29 11:19:35 AM
Holy fark Tojo rides again. Tolf you we didn't drop enough nukes on that shiatass country.
 
2006-09-29 11:19:52 AM
Let the Japanese do what they want. We let Germany rebuild after WWII, eventually anyway because it was so strategic during the Cold War. Nations change. Sure Japan as a nation has done some horrendous things in the past, as have alot of other countries we now consider solid allies.
 
2006-09-29 11:20:46 AM
Awesome. Let's hope they bring back the rising sun battle flag as well. That was pretty pimp.

I would prefer they leave Pearl Harbor alone though.

Banzai!
 
2006-09-29 11:21:13 AM
Not sure why they'd need a new constitution. Bush seems to have no problem completely ignoring ours. Apparently those are just rough guidelines in there.
 
2006-09-29 11:21:55 AM
submitter: Obvious Japan's new Prime Minister talks about increasing military power, preemptive strikes, encouraging patriotism among school children, and oh, getting rid of that pesky passivist constitution. Because it went so well last time


And they've finally got a male heir to the Imperial throne now, too. Coincidence?
 
2006-09-29 11:22:44 AM
Is "passivist" what occurs after "passover"?

Japan is just a little nervous about the UN being run by a South Korean while the North Korean are lobbing missiles their way, and sharing nuke info with the Iranians.
 
2006-09-29 11:22:51 AM
So long as he doesn't mess with my tentacle pr0n, I'm fine with him.

/Kudos on the "Kojo Mojo" bit.
 
2006-09-29 11:23:16 AM
JSDF?...

Could it be SDF

SDF-1?

Oh my god!!!
 
2006-09-29 11:24:02 AM
Hmm, he's been taking lessons from the Chimporer.
 
2006-09-29 11:24:19 AM
'project power' is a nicety for 'invade and conquer'. If we're going to talk about something lets use plain language.
 
2006-09-29 11:24:24 AM
north korea is gunna nuke them if they attack any communist countries
 
2006-09-29 11:24:35 AM
Then the control tower says "Japan flght 233, there is no airport in Pearl Harbor!"

The pilot replies " Ahh yes sir, but I cant say Honaruru."
 
2006-09-29 11:24:36 AM
We'll be seeing the meatball flag again, soon.
 
2006-09-29 11:25:15 AM
serpent_sky and wmoonfox

You both didn't know Bush wasn't the prime minister of japan? WOW YOU TWO ARE REALLY IGNORANT!
 
2006-09-29 11:25:42 AM
PorkChopSndwich5: Is this that "Abe" guy? Lincoln or Vigoda or whatever?

ah-bay
 
2006-09-29 11:26:06 AM
First of all: passivist?

Anyway, much like in the 1940's, Japan has increasingly less and less of a choice. Their location and natural resources puts them at the mercy of the world economy and whether or not other countries choose to help them. Any idea how much they pay for gas in Japan? I don't know exact figures, but people would be in the streets rioting here if we paid that much. Having said that, N. Korea going completely bonkers in the last few years, combined with China burning Japanese flags and demanding Japan change their school's textbooks, I'd say either the Japanese roll over and take it in the rear, or they stand up. Ever heard of the term 'Kamikaze'? The Japanese are not know for giving up, and I think they've reached an impasse in which they will be forced to make a decision on whether or not they choose to be a first-rate country, or a puppet at the whim of other, greater powers (mostly China or the US). Can't really blame them for preparing themselves for the inevitable. That, and my grandmother is a native Osakan, and I am in no position to disagree with my elders. Either way, though.
 
2006-09-29 11:26:09 AM
Did they elect Dubya?
More war, check
More nationalism, check
more military, check
ignore constitution, check

Sounds like Dubya must of knocked up a japanese girl.
 
2006-09-29 11:26:21 AM
i hate myself and want to die
 
2006-09-29 11:26:28 AM
Koizumi talked about doing these things as well. Everyone's just freaking out now because this guy's new, probably isn't as charismatic, and doesn't have such a smashing hairdo.
 
2006-09-29 11:26:54 AM
Bring on the new Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere!!!

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2006-09-29 11:27:24 AM
PorkChopSndwich5: Is this that "Abe" guy? Lincoln or Vigoda or whatever?

etymxris ah-bay

Is that where you buy cool Japanese electronics online?
 
2006-09-29 11:27:46 AM
I welcome our tentacle porn overlords.
 
2006-09-29 11:27:58 AM
The PM is simply following our lead, like in England and Canada. As long as we have a farking retard for a president, what else can you expect?
 
2006-09-29 11:28:02 AM
A sure sign many a person here on Fark suffers from BDS - Bush Derangement Syndrome, a close relative of a 90's plague called Clinton Derangement Syndrome - is that a forum concerning Japan's new prime minister has a good share of posts dedicated to our current president. Obsess much?
 
2006-09-29 11:28:20 AM
cheer up hasher it's the freakin weekend
 
2006-09-29 11:28:23 AM
hasher
i hate myself and want to die


TO?
 
2006-09-29 11:29:51 AM
kethares: I welcome our tentacle porn overlords.

You know, there's a thought. Perhaps the stories of Cthulhu were rooted in a prescient distrust by Lovecraft of the Japanese people, representing them as tentacled monstrosities from the Pacific?
 
2006-09-29 11:30:01 AM
What is it with the "people in power" and "getting rid of the constitution" these days? Global update?
 
2006-09-29 11:30:26 AM
Anduril
Are you saying that they do not seem to be quite similar?
 
2006-09-29 11:30:40 AM
Don't worry about it, folks. First of all, the Japanese are nationalist, but they're a bunch of wimps (in the nice sense).

Second of all, to change the constitution, they have to have 66% of both the representatives and the Senate vote to approve a change, then they have to have a referendum. Even if Abe (a dude that has more opposition in his own party than in the official opposition) is able to convince the Diet to have a referendum, the people won't go for it, or at least, not enough of them will go for it.

Japanese like the status quo.
 
2006-09-29 11:33:04 AM
Liche: What is it with the "people in power" and "getting rid of the constitution" these days? Global update?


Maybe it's just advance buzz for World War 3.0
 
2006-09-29 11:33:32 AM
Thank Jimmy Carter, Madeline Albright, and Clinton for this
 
2006-09-29 11:33:41 AM
We should arm them to the teeth, that way we won't have to get involved in Asia.
 
2006-09-29 11:33:43 AM
If Germany can have a real army, so can Japan.
 
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