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(ABC)   Having solved all its other problems, New York City now considering making trans fats in food illegal   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 301
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2006-09-26 10:28:47 PM  
Radioactive Ass: I never stated I was a smoker and yes I agree that it should be taken outside but I don't think it should be forced by law but a decision made by the business owner, just like I think this should be.

Well, here in Florida we voted on it with a simple majority; just democracy in action. Smokers could never learn to take it outside, so the law had to intervene. You can say it was up to the business owner, but after spending nearly a decade in restaurant biz, I never saw anyone evicted for a stogie.

I used to wait tables, and one cigar smoker at the bar would receive 30 complaints. But no one ever did anything about it until it was turned into law.

A rather orderly and simple example of democracy at work.
 
2006-09-26 10:29:04 PM  
Candy is bad. Should we ban candy?

You think you're being facetious, but I guarantee you that someone, somewhere, has already thought about this.
 
2006-09-26 10:29:16 PM  
Jay-EES-us! Does anyone in here actually understand the raionale for it?

They're not trying to ban FAT.

They are trying to ban TRANS-FAT.

You know, the fat that's 10% cheaper for the mass food producers to make that when unused stays stable for weeks instead of going rancid after a little while and forcing them to make more of?

The fat that seems to be in almost damn near anything you get at the store these days, so if you're trying to avoid it, that means you're eating sprouts and beans there cowboy?

The fat that has made coronary disease skyrocket, but hey! It's a couple cents cheaper per portion to make food with them, so why would we stop using them?

Canada was set to ban them at one point. They damn well should have. Nothing would change in our food except they'd replace the transfats with regular fats, and things might cost 1% more. Oh, and our food wouldn't be all laced with heart killing chemicals. Or at least one less, anyhow.
 
2006-09-26 10:29:18 PM  
Can't smoke, can't eat....hell, I hope we're still allowed to get drunk!

In some places, you can actually be arrested for being drunk in public if you are in a bar (even a hotel bar). Is NYC one of those places?
 
jgi
2006-09-26 10:29:40 PM  
Weaver95, would you paint your rooms with lead paint just because you could and because it was cheaper?

I thought it was the government's job to protect the people it governed. Banning smoking outright wouldn't be a good thing because people can enjoy smoking. I know smoking is bad for me but I like to have a cigarette. But trans fat are just unnecessary. You can have a Big Mac or whatever else without it and it would taste the same. It's something that is unneeded and provides no real benefit or increase in pleasure. If trans fats tasted better than natural fats, if there was some detectable difference for the consumer, I wouldn't be against them. But if I fed you the same food, one made with trans fats and one made with natural fats, you could not tell the difference. You would just have a lower risk of heart disease if you ate the natural fat.
 
2006-09-26 10:29:40 PM  
elpepe55

Please tell me why we should give huge food companies the "right" to poison us with unnatural trans fatty acids that were invented for profit?

1) Please tell me why they shouldn't.

2) Please tell me why the government should get involved and what limits we should place on them.

3) Don't like what the companies are doing? Call them or don't buy their crappy products. That's what I do.
 
2006-09-26 10:30:03 PM  
2006-09-26 10:21:43 PM jgi

Maybe you people who think your civil liberties are being crushed should actually read what trans fats are.


Weaver95 beat me to it, but the point is that what business of it is it the government's that I choose to eat or not eat unhealthy food? We know it is bad for you.. that's not the point. If you choose to get clogged arteries, more power to you. If you are smart, you'll avoid these bad foods. Auto-darwinism is a powerful force.
 
2006-09-26 10:30:19 PM  
img205.imageshack.us

Fat Trans are really unhealthy for you.
 
2006-09-26 10:30:30 PM  
Please tell me why we should give huge food companies the "right" to poison us with unnatural trans fatty acids that were invented for profit?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
 
2006-09-26 10:30:38 PM  
And after the trans fats it will be high fructose corn syrup.

/rice cakes and water for everyone
 
2006-09-26 10:31:08 PM  
But trans fat are just unnecessary.

The government doesn't have the right to ban "unnecessary" things. That's such a stupid farking proposition.
 
2006-09-26 10:31:24 PM  
Trans fats are dangerous to cardiovascular health. I want to avoid them completely, so at a minimum I need to know which foods have them and which don't. Restaraunts are not required to disclose nutritional information, so I can't make an informed choice.

Labels on packaged foods are misleading. The label on a bag of Doritos says it has 0 grams of trans fat per serving. Yet they are allowed to say that when it has as much as 0.5 grams per serving. How many of you eat only one "serving" of Doritos in one sitting? You probably eat 4 servings, which could be as much as 2 grams of trans fat. If you are trying to avoid trans fats, ignore the "0 grams per serving" label and look at the ingredients list for "hydrogenated" oils. If you see that magic word, run away!!!
 
2006-09-26 10:32:27 PM  
elpepe55
Please tell me why we should give huge food companies the "right" to poison us with unnatural trans fatty acids that were invented for profit?

Welcome to capitalism. You can vote with your money.
 
2006-09-26 10:32:29 PM  
"trans fatty acids are not essential and provide no known benefit to human health".

When are the going to ban Olestra? That stuff actually REMOVES nutritional content from food.

Not to mention the anal leakage.
 
2006-09-26 10:32:30 PM  
I'm against big government but if this would force food companies to stop feeding everyone shiat then I'm all for it.

Trans-fat crap is cheaper to produce, plain and simple. In no way is it good for you.

Same with high fructose corn syrup and aspartame. It should all be banned as poison (aspartame actually is banned as poison in other countries).
 
2006-09-26 10:33:06 PM  
Restaraunts are not required to disclose nutritional information, so I can't make an informed choice.

Strange. I have a nifty little book that tells me.
 
2006-09-26 10:34:28 PM  
elpepe55: Please tell me why we should give huge food companies the "right" to poison us with unnatural trans fatty acids that were invented for profit?

Please tell me where other people have the "Right" to tell me what I can or cannot eat. If you want to mandate slapping a warning label on it, that's fine by me. But let me make that informed decision as to whether or not I decide to eat it. It's not about whether or not trans fat is good for you, clearly it is not. It's about whether I have the freedom to make my own choices, good or bad, on my own.
 
2006-09-26 10:34:45 PM  
The government doesn't have the right to ban "unnecessary" things. That's such a stupid farking proposition.

Lead in paint is unnecessary. Asbestos is unnecessary.
 
2006-09-26 10:34:56 PM  
I, for one think they should be illegal in food, just like cyanide and arsenic. Trans fats are farking poison. This should have the "hero" tag.
 
2006-09-26 10:35:01 PM  
I thought it was the government's job to protect the people it governed. Banning smoking outright wouldn't be a good thing because people can enjoy smoking. I know smoking is bad for me but I like to have a cigarette. But trans fat are just unnecessary. You can have a Big Mac or whatever else without it and it would taste the same. It's something that is unneeded and provides no real benefit or increase in pleasure. If trans fats tasted better than natural fats, if there was some detectable difference for the consumer, I wouldn't be against them. But if I fed you the same food, one made with trans fats and one made with natural fats, you could not tell the difference. You would just have a lower risk of heart disease if you ate the natural fat.



cache.boston.com
 
2006-09-26 10:36:10 PM  
Please tell me why we should give huge food companies the "right" to poison us with unnatural trans fatty acids that were invented for profit?

Followed-up by:

1) Please tell me why they shouldn't.

Somebody is actually demanding an explanation as to why they shouldn't be poisoned. LOL

/the stuff you see on usenet and fark
//tard central 1.0 and 2.0, respectively
 
jgi
2006-09-26 10:36:29 PM  
WriteEraseReload: Weaver95 beat me to it, but the point is that what business of it is it the government's that I choose to eat or not eat unhealthy food? We know it is bad for you.. that's not the point. If you choose to get clogged arteries, more power to you. If you are smart, you'll avoid these bad foods. Auto-darwinism is a powerful force.

There are people in this country who are not as smart as you and do not think about these things. So because they are undereducated it's okay if companies use an inferior product that is harmful to them? Again, these aren't natural or benficial things; they don't taste any better and they're just cheap and harmful. I don't think that just because someone is dumb and doesn't educate themselves about trans fat that they should have to eat it unknowingly.
 
2006-09-26 10:36:32 PM  
tonesskin: Strange. I have a nifty little book that tells me.

Don't be ridiculous, man - you have a book that tells you what a non-chain eatery uses to make its foods? Didn't think so.
 
2006-09-26 10:37:29 PM  
2006-09-26 09:56:33 PM Aqueduct_Pocket [TotalFark]

I've got an idea:

Instead of making trans fats illegal at restaurants, how about making fat trannys mandatory at restaurants.

Nothing will make you lose your appetite faster than an overweight cross-dresser.


Speak for yourself... it makes me hungry for pepperoni.

/That doesn't make me gay, does it?
 
2006-09-26 10:37:30 PM  
Lead in paint is unnecessary. Asbestos is unnecessary.

So is candy. And pop. And your mom.
 
2006-09-26 10:37:47 PM  
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...uuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrp.
 
2006-09-26 10:38:32 PM  
Somebody is actually demanding an explanation as to why they shouldn't be poisoned

No, people are concerned that the government will be given the power and authority to decide FOR US what we can and cannot do. Today it's tobacco, tomorrow it's what we can and cannot eat. After that - who knows? Video games maybe. Certain kinds of music or films. A couple of books with 'unhealthy' ideas.
 
2006-09-26 10:38:36 PM  
Don't be ridiculous, man - you have a book that tells you what a non-chain eatery uses to make its foods? Didn't think so.

No, but it has guidelines.

Here is one: ASSUME THAT RESTAURANT FOOD HAS TRANSFATS AND MAKE YOUR OWN FOOD.
 
2006-09-26 10:39:22 PM  
"Restaraunts are not required to disclose nutritional information, so I can't make an informed choice."

Strange. I have a nifty little book that tells me.


Most national chains publish this, but smaller chains and mom-n-pop restaurants usually don't. There's no requirement as far as I know.
 
2006-09-26 10:39:46 PM  
There are people in this country who are not as smart as you and do not think about these things. So because they are undereducated it's okay if companies use an inferior product that is harmful to them?

who are YOU to decide how other people live their lives?
 
2006-09-26 10:40:18 PM  
Why is everyone so ridiculous about this?

We all understand that everyone wants to have freedom and ingest whatever they want, but why on earth would anyone be against this?

You can still eat anything you want to, just the person who makes it has to spend an extra half a penny. On top of that, it is much better for you. Same with high fructose corn syrup. Why would you be against that? Wouldn't you rather have a coke sweetened with sugar instead of corn. Even if it costs a nickel more.
 
2006-09-26 10:41:46 PM  
Why is everyone so ridiculous about this?

Do they teach US history in schools any more? Or do people just forget this stuff when the graduate?
 
2006-09-26 10:42:48 PM  
jgi
There are people in this country who are not as smart as you and do not think about these things. So because they are undereducated it's okay if companies use an inferior product that is harmful to them? I don't think that just because someone is dumb and doesn't educate themselves about trans fat that they should have to eat it unknowingly.

That's what advocacy groups, doctors, nutritionists, and other consumer groups are for (yes, even the FDA). Put the facts out and let the people make their own decision. Being ignorant is not an excuse.
 
2006-09-26 10:43:00 PM  
tonesskin: No, but it has guidelines.

Here is one: ASSUME THAT RESTAURANT FOOD HAS TRANSFATS AND MAKE YOUR OWN FOOD.


Oh.. yeah.. ah-HUH... So, if the majority of folks didn't know enough to boycott restaurants that didn't vocally state that they don't use trans-fats... and so restaurants continued to use trans-fats... you'd never eat in restaurants again for the rest of your life? Please.
 
2006-09-26 10:44:58 PM  
Radioactive Ass

No one is fighting for their right to eat transfat. You can argue (persuasively) that marijuana or alcohol have health benefits, and that you should be free to make a decision about whether to consume them. You can even argue that cigarettes make you feel good and you have a right to them.

What is it that appeals to you about transfats?

Even industry doesn't give a crap. Many in the food industry will welcome this because they want to change, but currently can't for cost reasons. If everyone changes at the same time, they can remain competitive.
 
2006-09-26 10:45:22 PM  
Man this country sucks. Don't get me wrong, it is pretty and has its good points. But damn, there's just no winning situation or goodness left.

On one hand, people won't stop choosing to remain stupid apes. People won 't stop choosing to recognize their full potential. People won't stop choosing to aspire to greatness, even though they are fully capable of it. People won't stop choosing to allow anyone to push them around by fighting unhealthy business tactics.

On the other hand, some people want government to do it for them, by making it illegal for them to have a choice, since they are too stupid to make a wise choice for themselves.

Everyone certainly has the right to be an obese redneck moran, but why did we become a nation of submissives?
 
2006-09-26 10:45:42 PM  
So, if the majority of folks didn't know enough to boycott restaurants that didn't vocally state that they don't use trans-fats... and so restaurants continued to use trans-fats... you'd never eat in restaurants again for the rest of your life? Please.

No, because I don't mind trans-fats every now and then. I expect that at a restaurant.
 
jgi
2006-09-26 10:47:18 PM  
Weaver95: who are YOU to decide how other people live their lives?

People have a right, I believe, to not be harmed by things that are beyond their immediate control. Many people do not have a choice what they eat because they do not have a lot of money. Nobody's liberties are being taken away by this. I feel a bit duped by you though, Weaver95, because you really haven't addressed anything I've said. But honestly, I don't feel trans fats will ever be banned because large companies make a lot of money off them. If you really cared about people and their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness you would see why trans fats are bad. Neither you or I have the power to make that great of a change, though, so those in charge will continue to force these things on you. Eat them if you wish.

 
2006-09-26 10:48:26 PM  
NY is following Chicago now. Who's the second city?

Sad day for both.
 
2006-09-26 10:48:54 PM  
Do they teach US history in schools any more? Or do people just forget this stuff when the graduate?

They must have replaced it with health and common sense.

A ban on trans fat does not mean a ban on pizza or anything else. If the government ever tried to start banning anything like that, then thats what you fight. Giving them the power to do one thing does not automatically give them the power to ban other things.

I can see the whole slippery slope view of things on this, but this is one instance where it has absolutely no value to anyone except businesses.
 
2006-09-26 10:49:07 PM  
www.hame.ca

"Could you pass the trans fat?"
 
2006-09-26 10:50:10 PM  
LOL @ Weaver95 because he needs to be convinced that he shouldn't be fed poison. What a tool.
 
jgi
2006-09-26 10:50:32 PM  
tonesskin: No, because I don't mind trans-fats every now and then.

What does this statement even mean? You don't mind trans fats? You can't taste them. You have no idea what they even do.

"Let's have pepperoni and trans fat on our pizza tonight because I've been really craving some trans fat lately!"
 
2006-09-26 10:50:32 PM  
People have a right, I believe, to not be harmed by things that are beyond their immediate control. Many people do not have a choice what they eat because they do not have a lot of money. Nobody's liberties are being taken away by this. I feel a bit duped by you though, Weaver95, because you really haven't addressed anything I've said. But honestly, I don't feel trans fats will ever be banned because large companies make a lot of money off them. If you really cared about people and their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness you would see why trans fats are bad. Neither you or I have the power to make that great of a change, though, so those in charge will continue to force these things on you. Eat them if you wish.


cache.boston.com
 
2006-09-26 10:52:23 PM  
What does this statement even mean? You don't mind trans fats? You can't taste them. You have no idea what they even do.

It means that I expect them to be in the food and don't really give a fark if I don't do it often.
 
2006-09-26 10:52:35 PM  
i dont smoke but ive always agreed with smokers that no one should have the right to tell them not to, and now its everyone elses turn. first its trans fat, next high sugar, then high sodium, etc. soon we will all be eating rice for every meal. and this is also a very effective way for the government to gain more control over us..... i say we riot
 
2006-09-26 10:53:46 PM  
Weaver95 No, people are concerned that the government will be given the power and authority to decide FOR US what we can and cannot do. Today it's tobacco, tomorrow it's what we can and cannot eat. After that - who knows? Video games maybe. Certain kinds of music or films. A couple of books with 'unhealthy' ideas.

Do you get this upset about bans involving carcinogenic dyes? How about fecal coliform bacteria levels?

It's exactly the same issue.
 
2006-09-26 10:54:08 PM  
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe anyone is arguing -for- trans-fats. The issue is what role the gov't has in advising against vs banning/regulating them. Correct?

/personal responsibility, anyone?
 
jgi
2006-09-26 10:54:50 PM  
Weaver, you just confuse me. I was hoping for a real argument but I'm getting nothing from you.

Anybody else in here want to argue with me why trans fats are okay?
 
2006-09-26 10:54:58 PM  
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe anyone is arguing -for- trans-fats. The issue is what role the gov't has in advising against vs banning/regulating them. Correct?

/personal responsibility, anyone?


Exactly. BUT ITSSSS POISSZZZEEENNNN
 
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