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(PW Insider)   EBaum's TV show cancelled, contract cut. Rumor has it USA Networks will still air it without paying anyone and claim credit for itself   (pwinsider.com) divider line 241
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2006-09-26 02:05:29 PM
vanity


I'll acknowledge that if the actual content and message is altered, then passed off as the original work, that's wrong.

But I'm also standing behind the "you should be thankful" card. It's impossible to distribute your work for free. Due to bandwidth, someone is going to have to be paid. Media exposure costs money, no question about it.

.....

Up to me to decide whether the work I create and own should be hosted by Ebaums or some other aggregate site. Let's see how long an AP or Reuters photo that he has stolen lasts there before he gets legal threats.
.....

Since the ideal payment model isn't exactly working out for you at the moment, maybe you should just stop making stuff until it does. Then you can lead a more fullfilling life pursuing something else. Many of you look to get pretty worked up over this issue, and I don't believe it's worth it.


.....

I see. So we should stop creating stuff because some asshole is bound to steal it. I don't think so. Why even have copyright laws?
 
2006-09-26 02:06:35 PM
Ochiba

Ebaum knowing where to find something does not mean it isn't obscure. It means that he knew where to look, whereas nearly everyone else doesn't. My point is still right here.

tonesskin

Yes, Eric profited. That's called free enterprise. I know a lot of people who enjoy his site. If you feel you can pull something like that off by yourself while getting approval from every single person involved, I would love to see you try. It is harder than you might think. I still say that the authors should be thanking him for being included on one of the most popular internet video sites of all time. Otherwise, nobody would have seen their work.

If it wasn't for Ebaum's, nobody would care about any of these submitters or their work.
 
2006-09-26 02:09:06 PM
What's all this about comedian, early-Fox-network mainstay and frequent 'Gallagher' mistakee Bruce Baum, anyway? He has an everything/nothing website?

/remember when blogs were called E/N sites?
 
2006-09-26 02:10:26 PM
dave2198: I still say that the authors should be thanking him for being included on one of the most popular internet video sites of all time. Otherwise, nobody would have seen their work.

I simply cannot understand the logic that someone should be happy to have their work stolen. Not every artist's goal is to have their work viewed by the largest possible number of people, regardless of your overly simplistic view of people's motivations.
 
2006-09-26 02:11:14 PM
I think that the sites hosting the flash animations should place a disclaimer at the bottom of the page to the effect of:

All content on this page is the intellectual property of {its creators}. It may not be copied or reproduced in any fashion by Eric Bauman or ebaumsworld.com without the express written consent of its owners.

Then all that would be needed is a class action lawsuit filed by a sleazy attorney. Any lawyer farkers out there want to comment on the legal impact of this?
 
2006-09-26 02:11:32 PM
dave2198: If it wasn't for Ebaum's, nobody would care about any of these submitters or their work.

So sites like Fark, SomethingAwful, Newgrounds, 4chan

....yea those are just amatuer night compared to ebaum right?
 
2006-09-26 02:14:05 PM
dave2198

Yeah, you're right. Content creators owe Bauman their gratitude. "Hey Bauman, thanks for making money off of other people's work"

Sorry, if it came out garbled it's because I threw up a little in my mouth.
 
2006-09-26 02:16:05 PM
I really think you computer nerds deserve more respect.

/runs from thread
//laughing hysterically.
 
2006-09-26 02:16:13 PM
dave2198:

Outside of the allegations of stealing other people's content, and attaching the watermark to it, there is still another issue. Neil/Eric Bauman are total douches. Have you seen their letters to Max Goldberg (the founder of ytmnd)?

4chan/ytmnd ftw
 
2006-09-26 02:17:23 PM
Idiotkiller: man, look. i don't personally have any flash movies i'm worried about. i'm just a guy who doesn't want to see people claiming they don't have to be serious or respect anyone because "it's the internet". and i might have an overdeveloped sense of justice.

Idiotkiller wins but almost loses the championship due to the bold tag not ending.
 
2006-09-26 02:18:05 PM
vanity

Realized you got pwned, huh?

/thanks for leaving
 
2006-09-26 02:26:57 PM
vanity: I really think you computer nerds deserve more respect.

Some of us are actual artists and know what we are talking about. I also teach about intellectual property law in general and copyright law in specific.

What's your background of expertise in the field?
 
2006-09-26 02:38:57 PM
The guy who made the Ebaum sucks flash would make a better point if he didn't illegally use copyrighted images himself. Because it really makes it all sound like sour grapes over not making money.
 
2006-09-26 02:41:04 PM
vanity: I fail to see why people are so uptight about this. You created something to entertain people. Ebaum's World (or any other site for that matter) serves as a vehicle to your audience. They enable the most amount of people to view what you created.

So what if it doesn't list your name and address as the author. Most flash and animations are so low on my attention list I wouldn't bother to remember the author, let alone seek out more works by him/her.

I think people are getting an overdeveloped sense of importance for their works. No one cares how long it took, what type of writing you used, how deep the story line was...it's the internet. As soon as that little montage is over and served it's purpose to entertain, it's gone. It'll be forwarded on or lost forever. Be glad it's not the latter.



Okay, feel free to send me all your original shiat, and I will happily remove your name from the credits, stick my name on it instead, and make oodles of cash off your hard work while you don't see a penny of it, or even get the tiniest bit of credit for it.

Sound fair to you?

It sure sounds fair to me, because I know that while I am basking in millions, at least you'll be happy at home knowing that your hard work that I stole is happily entertaining billions on the internet, and your name will live on in the works you created.

Except that your name won't live on, it'll be my name that lives on instead.

/Pssst! There's a reason why copyright law exists
 
2006-09-26 02:49:06 PM
grizzlyjohnson: The guy who made the Ebaum sucks flash would make a better point if he didn't illegally use copyrighted images himself. Because it really makes it all sound like sour grapes over not making money.

Where did he do that? The "Zeus" that was used with credit to the creator and year of copyright?

Congratulations for completely missing the point.

dave2198: Yes, Eric profited. That's called free enterprise. I know a lot of people who enjoy his site. If you feel you can pull something like that off by yourself while getting approval from every single person involved, I would love to see you try. It is harder than you might think. I still say that the authors should be thanking him for being included on one of the most popular internet video sites of all time. Otherwise, nobody would have seen their work.

If you have to steal something to profit, that's not free enterprise at all...I wouldn't consider the guy who sells fenced DVD players out of his trunk an "Entrepeneur".

Sony should be THANKFUL that he's selling their products out of one of the most popular 1976 Le Barons on 5th street!
 
2006-09-26 03:00:04 PM
So I guess the distinction is stealing someone elses work and taking credit for it = asshattery.

Stealing someone elses work for fun and private use = P2P networking.
 
2006-09-26 03:08:12 PM
Here, let me fix that for you

So I guess the distinction is stealing someone elses work, taking credit for it and making a profit = criminal asshattery.
 
2006-09-26 03:18:06 PM
Simply downloading an mp3 is NOT the same as taking someone's watermarked picture, putting your own watermark on top, and then profitting off that picture. It's more like downloading the picture and using it as your wallpaper.
 
2006-09-26 03:24:40 PM
good-i hate that fewking show!
 
2006-09-26 03:28:55 PM
jordan_lund: So I guess the distinction is stealing someone elses work and taking credit for it = asshattery.

Stealing someone elses work for fun and private use = P2P networking.


While it's not exactly the same thing, copyright law applies in both cases. Regardless of the assumptions made in this thread, many of us do not illegally download anything.
 
2006-09-26 03:48:18 PM
ChevyGuy

Funny considering that your posting on a web site who exists based on posting other peoples content. Drew isn't exactly poor ya know.

Fark links out to original content on it's original host site. Ebaum rebrands the material and removes other watermarks to add his own. Nice strawman, idiot.


3. When a person can prove that they are the original author of content it is removed.

That's a lie. There is overwhelming testimony from numerous creators that he does NOT remove stolen content when asked. Is that really so hard for you to believe? What reason would the people making these claims have to lie? Now ask yourself, what reason does Ebaum have to lie? Yeah.


I've made my case and am now going to bail on this thread.

You've lost your case and have given up. Probably a good idea.
 
2006-09-26 04:15:33 PM
This is right up there with Lowtax getting beaten like a confused little girl by Uwe Boll in terms of internet assholes getting their real life comeuppance.
 
2006-09-26 04:28:55 PM
There is no legal need to put a sign on your website stating that no one may steal your original content. ARTWORK IS ALWAYS COPYRIGHTED TO THE ARTIST. Automatically. It is the law.

EBaum hasn't been busted because the people he steals from cannot afford lawyers. It will happen eventually if he is stealing. It is only a matter of time.
 
2006-09-26 04:33:54 PM
Oh and let me add- stealing MP3s isn't even in EBaum's category.

For an MP3 stealers to make money like EBaum, the MP3 stealer would have to rent a concert hall, tell people the concert is free, collect all their information such as addresses and numbers, play pirated MP3s and fail to mention the artists, sell food and tee shirts, and after everyone is gone, sell all their information to advertising companies.
 
2006-09-26 04:37:17 PM
Every one of you has mad a cassette recording of your friends record album. BTW, who cares? My stealing is justified, yours is wrong. STOP BEING METALLICA!
 
2006-09-26 04:44:28 PM
beachbuzzbret Read my above post. Your comparison is bullshiat.
 
2006-09-26 04:50:12 PM
go-kharma-go go-kharma-go

couldn't happen to a nicer guy, the son of a biatch
 
2006-09-26 05:07:03 PM
beachbuzzbrett: Every one of you has mad a cassette recording of your friends record album.

Making an incorrect assumption and then crticizing others for it is really dumb.
 
2006-09-26 05:35:36 PM
YTMND FTMFW.
 
2006-09-26 05:56:42 PM
I want my YTMND TV.
 
2006-09-26 06:00:55 PM
That headline is brilliant!
 
2006-09-26 06:08:53 PM
lol

YMTD
NSFWish
 
2006-09-26 06:32:30 PM
Karma FTW.
 
2006-09-26 07:11:46 PM
ChevyGuy: Glad you shut up and went back to da-butt-secks-with-Ebaum -- I was about ready to throw up from reading your comments in this thread.

Vanity: I'm hoping you are just ignorant, so I'll take your comments at face value. Copyright ( note the combo ) is the right a creator has to define how people may copy his/her work. It is bestowed upon the creator by Society and the Govt.

An author doesn't have to justify his/herself in anyone's eyes as to if they have that right or if they are a hypocrite or not in placing their terms on copying.

For example, Lucas is kind enough to allow people to use his copyrighted IP in their fan-fic works, so long as they don't profit from it. IT WAS HIS RESTRICTION HE CHOOSE, he did not have to allow it. One of the myriad faults with defending ebaum then, is that he copies and puts up copyrighted works for others, on his own terms without complying with the author's wishes -- or even consulting with them.

The other things then compound his asshattedness into total douchebaggery as others have amply demonstrated.


Yes, all copying that violates the author's terms is a violation of their legal rights. No, not every violation is equivalent. [ Fair-use excepted from discussion. ]
 
2006-09-26 07:40:23 PM
No offense, but maybe the show was passed on because it is exactly the same as that one show on VH1.

/I think there was a show like this on Bravo as well
 
2006-09-26 07:41:30 PM
Few things have put a smile on my face this year. This makes up for it... as long as it stays on the cutting room floor. FOREVER. Ebaum is THE DEBIL!!!

/spelling noted ;)
 
2006-09-26 11:38:36 PM
www.dailyhog.com
Here he is, the biggest douche in the universe... in all the galaxies, theres no bigger douche than he...

(SUBST EBAUM)
 
2006-09-27 12:37:21 AM
They provide a public service.
Easily browsed crappy versions so you seek out the original.

Obviously one of their original creations..
img.photobucket.com

They can't even rip things off decently...
img.photobucket.com
 
2006-09-27 01:13:14 AM
Oh, and I think it's img.photobucket.com but img.photobucket.com that some folks think ebaum rips off other websites.
That's just img.photobucket.com talk.
However, I'd like to see a img.photobucket.com on this img.photobucket.com story about their img.photobucket.com site..

..so img.photobucket.com that they don't get to make more money.
 
2006-09-27 03:59:36 AM
Ok, Kayoteq has either been sleeping under a rock the past three years or he's just fagging off show everyone his un-elite html skills.
 
2006-09-27 04:27:58 PM
GOOD!!! Ebaum got exactly what he deserves for being such a farking scum bag.

/flame on
 
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