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2006-09-23 06:22:10 PM  
regarding the lack of promotion for some ST ensigns:

Fans have suggested that Kim's case owes to Voyager's isolation in the Delta Quadrant. Others, however, say that Kim's actions did not warrant promotion. The suggested lack of a lieutenant (junior grade) rank in Enterprise may explain Sato and Mayweather. Others have suggested that Voyager and Enterprise executive producers Rick Berman and Brannon Braga simply did not pay attention to such details.

and still others have suggested that IT'S JUST A FARKING TV SHOW!
 
2006-09-23 06:32:36 PM  
Heh. Some Trekkies need to learn abotu suspension of disbelief. That said,
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2006-09-23 06:37:12 PM  
rockneedsasavior: That said,

If I am not mistaken that would be Cestus III and they are about to be attacked by the Gorn..

/I have my OWN basement thank you very much!
 
2006-09-23 08:36:04 PM  
There must be a Star Trek Wiki. They have one for the Muppets, for chrissakes.
 
2006-09-23 08:36:49 PM  
The Real Damien: If I am not mistaken that would be Cestus III and they are about to be attacked by the Gorn..

Kirk faced the Gorn captain alone.

/suprisingly not considered a geek
 
2006-09-23 09:59:09 PM  
So?

Tony Almeda's Chicago Cubs coffee mug has its own Wikipedia article.
 
2006-09-23 10:00:43 PM  
Memory Alpha is the Star Trek Wiki.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Main_Page
 
2006-09-23 10:02:28 PM  
Is submitter Ric Romero or is he just new to Wiki?

While we're on the subject however, why is Chief O'Brien not an officer and can be ordered around by ensigns?
 
2006-09-23 10:04:40 PM  
swahnhennessy

Kirk faced the Gorn captain alone.

/suprisingly not considered a geek


Ummm...not surprisingly, you are now.

/happy Saturday night to you
 
OZZ
2006-09-23 10:06:41 PM  
Mugato: Is submitter Ric Romero or is he just new to Wiki?

While we're on the subject however, why is Chief O'Brien not an officer and can be ordered around by ensigns?



Because he is an enlisted man. He did not attend Starfleet Academy.
 
2006-09-23 10:07:21 PM  
stranger than what?
 
2006-09-23 10:08:46 PM  
how is a wikipedia article news?
 
2006-09-23 10:09:46 PM  
I always assumed that Kim didn't get promoted on Voyager because there was no room for advancement. Though you'd think that eventually they would have killed off enough people for Kim to make Lt.

The thing about Hoshi and Mayweather not getting promoted bothered me while watching that last episode. That wasn't all that bothered me however. I just assume that it never happened in the Star Trek universe. It was just a holodeck fantasy (the last Enterprise episode, not the entire series), which explains why the bridge was messed up, why Hoshi and Travis were still Ensigns. Why Trip didn't really die, and why he and Tpol never seemed to hook up after the events in the episode before.
 
2006-09-23 10:10:01 PM  
OZZ: Because he is an enlisted man. He did not attend Starfleet Academy.

Damn, between the two shows he was in Star Trek for 12 years. You'd think he'd take some night classes or something.
 
2006-09-23 10:10:02 PM  
That article just makes me feel sorry for Harry Kim.
 
2006-09-23 10:10:51 PM  
The suggested lack of a lieutenant (junior grade) rank in Enterprise may explain Sato and Mayweather.

Isn't Ensign the naval equivalent of Lieutenant just about everywhere?
 
2006-09-23 10:12:12 PM  
Mugato

You obviously have no familiarity with military ranks do you? I am an enlisted man, I may make Chief after 12 years or so, but the most junior ensign fresh out of the academy will always outrank me. Also this article seems to disregard the fact that Ensign goes back beyond the 22nd century to actual Naval military ranks. Dumb farks, all of 'em
 
2006-09-23 10:18:16 PM  
Kim should have been promoted, period. Paris got DEMOTED and then repromoted. Totally unfair. Kim had just as many heroic actions as Paris without being an idiot and getting demoted.

/Voyager sucked in general anyways
//Deep Space Nine rocked
///geek
////not a nerd
//nerds are smart
//slashies off the port bow
 
2006-09-23 10:18:17 PM  
I just want to know "Where are the Nuk-lee-are Wes-sels?"

Is it still 'All-a-mee-duh?'
 
2006-09-23 10:20:18 PM  
JPWRana, this has to be said about ten times a day "It's not news, it's Fark.com"
/sorry if you were being sarcastic
 
2006-09-23 10:21:10 PM  
Party Spock approves.
www.godsjihad.com
 
2006-09-23 10:22:20 PM  
puddle privateer: You obviously have no familiarity with military ranks do you?

Nope.

I may make Chief after 12 years or so, but the most junior ensign fresh out of the academy will always outrank me.

Stay in school, kids.
 
2006-09-23 10:23:47 PM  
17 posts and no Sulu-is-gay jokes? I'm disappointed in all of you.

/Standard dress for ensigns assigned to the Excelsior is red shirt and no pants.
 
2006-09-23 10:25:17 PM  
Mugato

Actually I'd much rather be a Chief than an officer. They're the ones who do all the real work. The officers just get all the pay.
 
2006-09-23 10:26:48 PM  
I like the video of Nimoy doing 'Bilbo Baggins,' if you've not seen it, google it. It is priceless; as good for a laugh as anything Shatner did.
 
2006-09-23 10:27:44 PM  
swahnhennessy

The Real Damien: If I am not mistaken that would be Cestus III and they are about to be attacked by the Gorn..

Kirk faced the Gorn captain alone.

/suprisingly not considered a geek


But the episode wasn't just Kirk fighting the Gorn one-on-one.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Arena

/geek, but not a Star Trek one
//has no idea whether the image is from that episode or not
 
2006-09-23 10:27:54 PM  
Puddle Privateer: I may make Chief after 12 years or so, but the most junior ensign fresh out of the academy will always outrank me.

MugatoStay in school, kids.

Oddly, I have no problem laughing at dead teenagers or kidnapped babies. Yet I still can't shake the feeling that I'm going to hell for laughing at that.

Well played.
 
2006-09-23 10:27:58 PM  
The other day I was watching some TNG. Spike showed the last episode of the first season and the first two of season two. What got me was Geordi LaFordge.

For the entire first season he piloted the ship. His only real gimmick was the visor. He pretty much came across as more useless than Mayweather on Enterprise.

Suddenly, in the second season, LaFordge has a pretty extensive background in warp field propulsion and is qualified for the one job that no one seemed qualified for in the first season, Chief Engineer. He didn't even have to spend a season in engineering, one day he's flying the ship, the next day he's incharge of making sure that it's running properly.

I guess being friends with the Captain paid off.
 
2006-09-23 10:28:57 PM  
Dwreck: Kim should have been promoted, period. Paris got DEMOTED and then repromoted. Totally unfair. Kim had just as many heroic actions as Paris without being an idiot and getting demoted.


Massive word to that. Kim was Voyager's punching bag. He got his heart broken by a hologram, died and was replaced by a temporal/dimensional twin, got beaten around like he wasn't even a main character, and stayed an Ensign through the whole damn show?

Meanwhile Tom Paris nailed the Klingon, earned back his greater-than-Kim's rank twice, and even had hot freaky devolution lizard sex with the captain.

O'Brian was totally in the same boat as Kim. He got the hot Asian wife, but was cloned and his clone was killed. Got temporally shifterized and was killed and replaced by the temporal shifterized clone, was arrested and tortured by the Cardassians, and got a brain implant that made him think he was in solitary confinement for a crime he didn't commit.

Doctor Bashir was almost as irritating as Paris (especially his ridiculous "genetically enhanced" retcon in the sixth season), but he at least had the decency to be cockblocked by both Worf and Rom.

/I pay rent on this basement!
 
2006-09-23 10:29:03 PM  
Great Janitor: A hell of a retcon is that all engineers spend some time as a pilot. Would you want an engineer who had never flown the damn thing?
 
2006-09-23 10:32:24 PM  
Great Janitor: O'Brian went from transporter jockey to running a space station even bigger than the Enterprise, so it's not unprecedented.

I could totally make an affirmative action joke here, but I loved Geordi.
 
2006-09-23 10:34:59 PM  
OH, puleeze... The character Butters from "South Park" has a longer, more extensive Wiki article.

/Trekkies are not the only ones
 
2006-09-23 10:36:54 PM  
Great Janitor: Suddenly, in the second season, LaFordge has a pretty extensive background in warp field propulsion and is qualified for the one job that no one seemed qualified for in the first season, Chief Engineer. He didn't even have to spend a season in engineering, one day he's flying the ship, the next day he's incharge of making sure that it's running properly.

Ok, I have to put my Spock ears on for this one.

That episode where LaForge suddenly became the engineer was written during a writer's strike. They had no writers so they lifted the story from an episode of the second Trek series with Kirk and crew that never happened and made it fit the TNG crew. So the whole reason LaForge is an engineer was probably the idea of a producer or exec who didn't know the characters.

/spock ears off
 
2006-09-23 10:41:17 PM  
Bloody William: 17 posts and no Sulu-is-gay jokes? I'm disappointed in all of you.

helllooooooooooo
 
2006-09-23 10:46:33 PM  
Someone explain to me how LaForge can read a god-damned tricorder!!!
 
2006-09-23 10:47:15 PM  
NERDS!!!
www.horrordvds.com
 
2006-09-23 10:47:18 PM  
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2006-09-23 10:47:29 PM  
O'Brian went from transporter jockey to running a space station even bigger than the Enterprise, so it's not unprecedented.


Well, we did actually see O'brian in Engineering before he transferred to DS9. Geordi just suddenly moved.

I could totally make an affirmative action joke here, but I loved Geordi.

We all love Geordi, and really, the best thing for the character was to move him to Engineering. Though, after taking some classes in electrical code, could he have really been the best man for the job? Odds are the Enterprise had some form of an electrical code book/PADD, and while he coukd see much of the EM spectrum, I really doubt he could tell the difference between black and red wire (or what ever the hell they used?)
 
2006-09-23 10:48:59 PM  


I may make Chief after 12 years or so, but the most junior ensign fresh out of the academy will always outrank me.


But what if he is a Master Chief? that should count for something.
 
2006-09-23 10:50:51 PM  
Seriously, someone tell me how LaForge could read a tricorder, or the friggin computers at all!!!
 
2006-09-23 10:52:01 PM  
The visor has like, super night vision, x ray stuff, and a telescope.

It can also tell if people have a zombie virus, or if they have any Jewish blood.

Long story.
 
2006-09-23 10:58:13 PM  
That episode where LaForge suddenly became the engineer was written during a writer's strike. They had no writers so they lifted the story from an episode of the second Trek series with Kirk and crew that never happened and made it fit the TNG crew. So the whole reason LaForge is an engineer was probably the idea of a producer or exec who didn't know the characters.


Actually, I have on my book shelf a book written over 10 years ago that explained the writers strike and all the movies, and the different series (every episode of TOS, TNG, TAS, Phase II and the first 7 movies. Plus only mentioned DS9 and VOY). There were two or three episodes that were from Phase II (the one with the woman pretending to be the devil was another one) and carried over into TNG.

My theory on the Geordi LaForge promotion is that at the start of TNG, they didn't plan on having Engineering at all. It would be mentioned but never seen. Then they realized at the last minute that they actually needed that set (from the book previously mentioned from 10 years ago called 'Captain's Log'). This also explains why the first season had 'Chief Engineer of the week' instead of a cast member in the role. I'm guessing that between the two seasons they decided to make Geordi the Chief Engineer to give him a bigger role.

/must have sucked being him, and being upstaged by Wil Wheaton for the entire first season.
 
2006-09-23 11:00:45 PM  
the mormon magazine?
 
2006-09-23 11:00:51 PM  
Carth

But what if he is a Master Chief? that should count for something.

My dad was an officer, and he used to talk about the command structure on his command. While experienced enlisted men may be outranked by junior officers, the smart ones tended to pay attention to the Chiefs and Master Chiefs for advice and guidance, even if in the end they still had final say.
 
2006-09-23 11:01:07 PM  
TNG never used silver pips, did it?

By my reckoning those images should be

TNG (all seasons): one gold pip on black
TNG (films)/DS9/Voy: one gold pip on red
 
2006-09-23 11:03:36 PM  
i like how fark gets credit for linking:

On September 23, 2006, this article was linked from Fark.com, a high-traffic Internet site. All prior and subsequent edits are noted in the revision history.

like we're energetic enough to edit a wiki page. jheesh.

/lazy farkers = good donut.
 
2006-09-23 11:05:32 PM  
I thought all the trekkies had moved on to WoW now...I mean since D&D never really caught on
 
2006-09-23 11:05:57 PM  
LOL! Seriously, what was the deal with having no central Chief Engineer character the whole first season. It's like they were drawing up the characters, and they totally forgot about it, and they actually had three different chief engineers in the first season. That's got to be a hell of a turnover for the flagship of the federation.
 
2006-09-23 11:11:33 PM  
...the smart ones tended to pay attention to the Chiefs and Master Chiefs for advice and guidance, even if in the end they still had final say.

Wouldn't you think the really smart ones would go to OCS? I know what you're saying, anyone who's been in for that long knows his shiat, but c'mon, it's gotta be nice to have people salute you for once.
 
2006-09-23 11:14:05 PM  
apotheosis247

Wouldn't you think the really smart ones would go to OCS? I know what you're saying, anyone who's been in for that long knows his shiat, but c'mon, it's gotta be nice to have people salute you for once.

I meant the smart junior officers.
 
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