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2006-09-22 10:44:41 PM
I'm a Sunday School Teacher for middle schoolers. There's a girl that asked me "Why is it OK for TV and schools to have a bunch of stuff on other religions, but not Christianity?" And I always try to be objective and give the other side's POV. I really couldn't give a legitimate sounding answer. And this is the kind of story that proves her point.
 
2006-09-22 11:08:03 PM
TWO BUX, HERE IS MY TWO CENTS:THE ANSWER IS QUITE SIMPLE:

CHRITIANITY IS NOT EVERYONE'S RELIGION. IN SPITE OF THE FACT, THAT SO MANY PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE, SUCH AS PAT ROBERTSON, WHO THINK IT IS THE RELIGION OF THIS ENTIRE NATION. WHICH IT MOST CERTAINLY IS NOT.

THERE ARE DOZENS OF TELIVISED CHRISTIANS SHOWS, SUCH AS: 700 CLUB OR JOYCE MEYER. AFTER ALL PAT ROBERTSON BUILT A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY FROM HIS SHOW, (A GREAT DEAL OF IT FROM DONATIONS), AND THEN SOLD IT AND KEPT THE MONEY INSTEAD OF USING IT FOR CHARITY SUCH POVERTY, ETC.

CHRISTANITY IS ALL OVER TV, ALL OF THE TIME. AFTER ALL, THERE ARE SO MANY TV SPECIALS ABOUT CHRISTMAS, AND EASTER.

MAYBE YOU NEED TO SEE THE ISSUE FROM THE EYES OF NON CHRISTIANS AS WE GET CHRISTIANTY SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS ALL OF THE TIME.

IE: THE POPE IS BEING ACCUSED OF INSENSITIVITY IN HIS RECENT QUOTE ABOUT MUSLINS. YET, DURING THAT SAME PERIOD OF TIEM, LOOK WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE CREWSAIDS (SP, SO SORRY).


THE CONSTITUTION STRICKLY PROVIDES A BARRIER BETWEEN CHRURCH AND STATE, YET CHRITIANITY, ESPICALLY UNDER THIS PRESIDENT, IS GIVEN A INCH AND TAKES TEN MILES!
 
2006-09-22 11:31:12 PM
twobux: I'm a Sunday School Teacher for middle schoolers. There's a girl that asked me "Why is it OK for TV and schools to have a bunch of stuff on other religions, but not Christianity?" And I always try to be objective and give the other side's POV. I really couldn't give a legitimate sounding answer. And this is the kind of story that proves her point.


Strange, the only things I see on TV that have any kind of religious theme are very much Christian.
 
2006-09-22 11:49:34 PM
twobux
I'm a Sunday School Teacher for middle schoolers. There's a girl that asked me "Why is it OK for TV and schools to have a bunch of stuff on other religions, but not Christianity?" And I always try to be objective and give the other side's POV. I really couldn't give a legitimate sounding answer. And this is the kind of story that proves her point.

Oh no, you sad, persecuted Christian. It's not like every History Channel, CNN, or Dateline special doesn't conclude with the final verdict being that Jesus was "probably real". I can't even turn on the TV without seeing a Christianity-denying hit piece!

My eyes can't roll hard enough.

As for this particular Veggie Tales faux outrage:

Veggie Tales have made millions of dollars exploiting the "Christian" market. TV execs will now further this exploitation by making the show more inclusive and allow an even larger market of parents to leave their kids in front of a TV for it to do the child rearing.
 
2006-09-23 12:03:03 AM
I didn't know Veggie Tales was about Christianity until someone told me. I thought it was just a bizarre kids show with catchy songs about hairbrushes and bits about water buffalos.
 
2006-09-23 12:27:20 AM
twobux

I'm a Sunday School Teacher for middle schoolers. There's a girl that asked me "Why is it OK for TV and schools to have a bunch of stuff on other religions, but not Christianity?"


There's no Christianity on TV???

I guess if these kids weren't in Sunday School learning about how Jesus loves you and shares your hatred of homosexuals, they would have a better idea of what's on TV... on Sunday mornings.

Quit your whining already.

members.cox.net
 
2006-09-23 01:23:46 AM
Odd how the PTC and Bozo Bozell are all for censoring just about everything on TV until it offends their sensabilities.
 
2006-09-23 01:30:08 AM
GEE I THOUGHT I WS THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT THAT WAY... THE SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER CRYING ABOUT HOW YOU CAN'T MENTION THE WORD CHRISTIAN.
 
2006-09-23 01:39:20 AM
Maybe twobux can pray for growinthings to turn off the friggin caps lock.
 
2006-09-23 02:33:33 AM
I've seen every episode of "Veggie Tales". They are quite good. Sure, they are aimed at Christians, but they also have lots of in-jokes and Monty Python-esq humor. I would recommend them to anyone with children, Christian or not.

And if you don't like the Bible discussion at the end of each episode, just stop watching there. Simple.

Go.
Watch.
Enjoy.
 
2006-09-23 02:37:09 AM
Which "God"?

Apollo? Dionysius? Ra?

So many to choose from.
 
2006-09-23 02:49:33 AM
As silly as I find Christianity, or indeed almost all organized religions, NBC really should've known better. "Veggie Tales is Christian? Really?" Morons.
 
2006-09-23 03:10:21 AM
growinthings: TWO BUX, HERE IS MY TWO CENTS:THE ANSWER IS QUITE SIMPLE:

I agree with what you're saying, but my God you couldn't sound like a bigger jackass while saying it. Try turning off your caps lock if you want people to read more than just this singular line and skipping to the next post.
 
2006-09-23 03:58:29 AM
EVERYONE PLEASE STOP SCREAMING
 
2006-09-23 03:59:47 AM
 
2006-09-23 04:00:30 AM
I am so sorry about the caps, I am disabled and it is often very, very hard to tyoe!
 
2006-09-23 04:24:56 AM
growinthings

I am so sorry about the caps, I am disabled and it is often very, very hard to tyoe!


That's a good point everyone would do well to consider: Not everyone has english as a first language, and many people have disabilities.

It does not mean their points are any less valid.

I know an old man who can barely see from one eye. Yet, his insight, wisdom, and experiences are deep. I recently set up his computer so he could do better.
 
2006-09-23 04:25:23 AM
You know twobux, had you actually read more about the bible you would have caught the verses about human depravity and sin. Did you see the in the article about God made children special?

The bible says that God hates everyone before they are even born. Stop being such a sheep and expose the false gospel of Veggie Tales. At least if you actually cared about God you would have anyway.
 
2006-09-23 04:43:14 AM
VeggieTales is a very very very mild religious education. More than that its HILIARIOUSLY funny. I let my kids watch it because I like the basic moral lessons it teaches (like: be nice, don't be greedy, love your neighbour, being different isn't bad).

And if you're offended by it...don't let your kids watch it. Simple as that.
 
2006-09-23 04:45:42 AM
the parents television council is at it again!

that's right folks! the parents television council: thinking of your children so you don't have to!

these are the same asshats that write 250,000 complaints from one nipple exposed for less than a second right?
 
2006-09-23 05:03:21 AM
BlueGargoyle

I don't really think Christians are really being persecuted today, but if you're going to bring up the past:

www.dlib.org
 
2006-09-23 06:42:58 AM
Action Replay Nick: twobux
I'm a Sunday School Teacher for middle schoolers. There's a girl that asked me "Why is it OK for TV and schools to have a bunch of stuff on other religions, but not Christianity?" And I always try to be objective and give the other side's POV. I really couldn't give a legitimate sounding answer. And this is the kind of story that proves her point.

Oh no, you sad, persecuted Christian. It's not like every History Channel, CNN, or Dateline special doesn't conclude with the final verdict being that Jesus was "probably real". I can't even turn on the TV without seeing a Christianity-denying hit piece!

My eyes can't roll hard enough.

As for this particular Veggie Tales faux outrage:

Veggie Tales have made millions of dollars exploiting the "Christian" market. TV execs will now further this exploitation by making the show more inclusive and allow an even larger market of parents to leave their kids in front of a TV for it to do the child rearing.



You are a sad, petty, worthless human being. But then again, I have seen a few pictures of you when you had your myspace page listed in your profile, so I'm not all that surprised that you are a sad, petty, worthless human being.
 
2006-09-23 06:48:12 AM
VeggieTales just isn't very good. 30 minutes of horribly cheap-looking animated vegetables that behave and speak like Eisenhower is still in office while extolling musical Sunday School lessons? That's enough for me to renounce Jesus Christ right there.

Also, it's nice to see the PTC, the most pro-censorship group in the country, get a taste of their own medicine for once. The lesson of all this will likely be lost on them (to wit: if bikinis and four letter words can be kept off the air, so can references to a god), though I'm sure they're happy to fire up their Random Letter to the FCC Generator and spam the whole of the federal government from a single IP address again.
 
2006-09-23 07:16:02 AM
The Billdozer

You are a sad, petty, worthless human being. But then again, I have seen a few pictures of you when you had your myspace page listed in your profile, so I'm not all that surprised that you are a sad, petty, worthless human being.

People like you are the whole reason I detest xians in the first place. You wake up and realize you are sad, petty, worthless human beings and instead of coming to terms with what you are, you try to make it seem like you are OK by putting others down. I am not at all suprised that the ancient Romans were so annoyed by this they would feed you people to the lions.

I used to be an xian, but I got tired of being a sad, petty, worthless human being, so I renounced it, and I'm all better now.

The Billdozer, you shall learn the truth and the truth shall set you free. The truth is, Jesus died on the cross and he is still dead.
 
2006-09-23 07:24:59 AM
TheMightyJohn: People like you are the whole reason I detest xians in the first place. You wake up and realize you are sad, petty, worthless human beings and instead of coming to terms with what you are, you try to make it seem like you are OK by putting others down. I am not at all suprised that the ancient Romans were so annoyed by this they would feed you people to the lions.

I used to be an xian, but I got tired of being a sad, petty, worthless human being, so I renounced it, and I'm all better now.

The Billdozer, you shall learn the truth and the truth shall set you free. The truth is, Jesus died on the cross and he is still dead.


For that, he'll now insult your mother.

Gotta love that great christian love™.
 
2006-09-23 07:28:08 AM
TheMightyJohn you shall learn the truth and the truth shall set you free. The truth is, Jesus died on the cross and he is still dead.

hahaha, anyway

Christianity touches everybody in this country. Some for the better, a lot for the worse. It's everywhere you look. I personally just learned to tune it out.

I really don't think I need to donate 10% of my income to get 1 simple rule. Don't victimize anyone. And there you have it. It's that simple.

(Yes, you can be a christian and not go to church. I commend you for this, because you probably aren't out proselytizing.)
 
2006-09-23 07:58:20 AM
I love how rational Farkers can be when the word "Christian" appears.

It's a television show, with a strong "Christian" theme and the people that support it are upset because the TV PRODUCERS want to remove more of the "Christian" references.

This has nothing to do with being persecuted, this has nothing to do with the government, this has nothing to do with any Farker's particular bias, it's strictly a struggle between producer, director, and fans.

Kind of like if South Park were actually forced to never cus, and Kenny was never allowed to die.
 
2006-09-23 08:26:29 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

"I dunno, Daaaaaa-vey.... the PTC don't sound as Christian as they want others to think..."

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INeedAName:

Kind of like if South Park were actually forced to never cus, and Kenny was never allowed to die.

Check out the non-Comedy Central broadcasts for SP in syndication. Heck, "Deadwood", is being redubbed for non-HBO syndication.
 
2006-09-23 08:26:58 AM
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/Obligatory
 
2006-09-23 09:10:15 AM
mr_shhh: Maybe twobux can pray for growinthings to turn off the friggin caps lock.

Amen, dominus patrus and all those other latiny-type words.
 
2006-09-23 09:18:40 AM
Cyber_Junk: VeggieTales is a very very very mild religious education. More than that its HILIARIOUSLY funny. I let my kids watch it because I like the basic moral lessons it teaches (like: be nice, don't be greedy, love your neighbour, being different isn't bad).

True that. The creators of Veggie Tales are big fans of movies and Monty Python and it shows. Here's a tip: Rent the VeggieTales movie, Jonah. Watch with the creators' commentary turned on to appreciate how much they're influenced. Then watch it again with Larry & Mr. Lunt's commentary. It's a scream.
 
2006-09-23 09:54:51 AM
Grandemadaca: Rent the VeggieTales movie, Jonah.



Just don't let your kids watch it and then take them swimming in a pool with those big, hard, plastic, battery operated fish. Sibling rivalarity will ensue.

/I had cravings for cheese doodles for days after watching it.
 
2006-09-23 10:06:41 AM
Quit your whining already.

Funny, everyone always seems to forget romans feeding christians to the lions when putting idiotic pics like that up.
 
2006-09-23 10:07:28 AM
Why is this under the politics tab?
 
2006-09-23 10:30:51 AM
steamingpile
Like morbo did?

/I think "You forgot lions" is the new "You forgot Poland."
 
2006-09-23 10:30:51 AM
Nice strawman, everyone. twobux never said anything about persecution. Santa and the Easter Bunny on TV don't count as religious symbols either. Traditional and cultural symbols, yes, but not religious.
If there's one thing that's positive about the shift of the nation away from defaulting to Christianity it's that one day it may be meaningful to be a Christian again. I'd rather live somewhere where it takes some work to say, "I'm a Christian."
 
2006-09-23 10:38:54 AM
Bevets: ...is like taking our Christian Heritage out of our history classes (with link to your website on Christianity)

While not denying that Christianity was (and very much is) a strong influence on the decisions made in this country, it is certainly not the only thing. In fact--and I think I might have gleaned this on your site--Christianity most often comes to play during times of war or conflict as a way to convince the masses to go along with a plan, as though by not making the "Christian decision", e.g. to go kill the Muslims ("terrorists", who just happen to have a large store of oil on their person), thay are not American, either. It works. It's mostly used as a political ploy.

How would you propose integrating Christianity into public school history classes without belittling non-Christian school children? It was certainly mentioned in passing during my schooling (in public school) that it has had a heavy influence on our "democracy", that nearly every president was a Christian, and that I could get more information from my local library. But to focus on it as a supremely influential part of our history is is just too controversial and even incorrect. Our nation wasn't founded on Christianity or on some Godly message. If we thought the Puritans had something good going on, we would have included their messages as the primary focus of the constitution.

With regards to VeggieTales, it was utterly stupid of the creator to assume that on public television his show would not be edited. It was stupid of NBC to take the show knowing that it would have to destroy the religious overtones. But it's not because it's "liberal" TV, it's because it's public TV and must be accessible to everybody so as not to lose viewers. Ironically, I'm an atheist, and like most non-bitter atheist, I appreciate the effort of VeggieTales to promote moral lessons, whether or not it has religious overtones. I'd let my kids watch it, if I had any, but I think those moral lessons can easily be taught independent of religion, which most religious people don't believe.

twobux

How did this prove your point? It actually completely contradicted it. The show is not allowed on TV unless it removes the religious overtones. And what other shows on public TV have religious overtones? Any of them?
 
2006-09-23 11:28:16 AM
morbo

I don't really think Christians are really being persecuted today, but if you're going to bring up the past:

I am aware that Blacks and Jews are no longer subjected to the kind of wholesale persecution displayed in the image I posted. However, those are good examples of what genuine persecution actually looks like. Having an 85% majority, owning pretty much the entire government, and yet still having to suffer a few taunts on the intertron is not "persecution."


INeedAName

This has nothing to do with being persecuted, this has nothing to do with the government, this has nothing to do with any Farker's particular bias, it's strictly a struggle between producer, director, and fans.

You are correct that the article has nothing to do with persecution. This thread does. Every time an article is posted where some christians don't get their way, there will invariably be at least a few posts alluding to the persecution complex some christians embrace. And every time that happens, you can be assured that there will be others who will clear their throats and point out their lack of real persecution.


steamingpile

Funny, everyone always seems to forget romans feeding christians to the lions when putting idiotic pics like that up.

Being fed to the lions was actual persecution. Christians in America are not "persecuted" in this day and age. Not having complete and authoritarian control to force prayer in schools and execute heretics is not persecution. Most christians understand this. Some apparently do not.

members.cox.net
 
2006-09-23 12:10:32 PM
Our family loves Veggie Tales, and I think the animation is pretty good for 3-d CGI done on a tight production schedule. The creators of the show picked a look and made it part of the show identity, and it's a well thought-out show.

I think the network is being greedy and stupid to try and leverage the program's audience while secularizing the shows. You should take the show as made or not, but wanting to distort and re-cut it is wrong.

I also object to Cartoon Network censoring Professor Farnsworth on Futurama when he says "Sweet Zombie Jesus!" In both cases the censorship is a case of the network not "getting it".

Finally, the Veggie Tales producers were naive to think NBC would operate the same way as they do.
 
2006-09-23 12:12:08 PM
Meh. They took the swears out of South Park and it did well.

I wonder if NBC will cave. The Networks usually have extreme shrinkage of the testicles when it comes to the Religious Right.
 
2006-09-23 12:16:47 PM
Funny that the same farkers who get upset when sex scenes and swear words are edited out or stations get fined for having them seem to have no problem with this. Bottom line: what NBC is doing is censorship. If we want the swear words and sex scenes (my hand is up) you gotta take all of it. Yes, this message needs to be forwarded to the PTC.

The kids I used to babysit had VeggieTales. I didn't know it was religous until the very end when it showed a bible verse corresponding with the lesson of the show, so it's definitely not something that would make a Jewish child suddenly want to convert.

/I also sometimes still get that stupid song (Rumor Weed) stuck in my head.
 
2006-09-23 12:21:23 PM
Harry Pooter: Also, it's nice to see the PTC, the most pro-censorship group in the country, get a taste of their own medicine for once. The lesson of all this will likely be lost on them (to wit: if bikinis and four letter words can be kept off the air, so can references to a god), though I'm sure they're happy to fire up their Random Letter to the FCC Generator and spam the whole of the federal government from a single IP address again.

This isn't censorship. It's MARKETING. NBC knows that the God talk turns mainstream viewers off. It has nothing to do with the FCC.
 
2006-09-23 12:22:27 PM
LadyHawke911: Funny that the same farkers who get upset when sex scenes and swear words are edited out or stations get fined for having them seem to have no problem with this. Bottom line: what NBC is doing is censorship. If we want the swear words and sex scenes (my hand is up) you gotta take all of it.

Bottom line: It is not censorship.
 
2006-09-23 12:23:29 PM
The real irony here is that free market fundamentalists are getting pissed off at a private corporation's decision to make their shlock more marketable.

/Sesame Street still rules!
 
2006-09-23 12:25:51 PM
LadyHawke911: Funny that the same farkers who get upset when sex scenes and swear words are edited out or stations get fined for having them seem to have no problem with this.

I notice that you didn't mention violence.
 
2006-09-23 12:30:03 PM
totalsecurity: Apollo? Dionysius? Ra?

Ra is a false god.
 
2006-09-23 12:30:28 PM
It's only censorship when the government mandates it. I'll be the first one to say that the government should never censor god-talk on TV; if Pat Robertson has the money to broadcast himself praying for judges to get cancer and die, more power to him, welcome to the land of free speech.
NBC can also broadcast what they want, and if they feel the show would make more money for them if they sanitize it, not only is it their right as Americans, it's sound policy. If the evangelicals don't like it, they can just tune in to the 700 club.
 
2006-09-23 12:32:02 PM
I'd like to see all these TV shows that feature non-Christian religions that twobux is talking about. Maybe I accidentally blocked the 24 Hour Kali Channel but everytime I'm flipping through the cable stations on a Sunday morning it's all Christ, all the time. And I must miss it when they roll out "It's a Charlie Brown Kwanza" every year.
 
2006-09-23 12:37:12 PM
LadyHawke911: Funny that the same farkers who get upset when sex scenes and swear words are edited out or stations get fined for having them seem to have no problem with this. Bottom line: what NBC is doing is censorship. If we want the swear words and sex scenes (my hand is up) you gotta take all of it. Yes, this message needs to be forwarded to the PTC.

Another bottom line: You're cute!
 
2006-09-23 01:57:09 PM
So, if the Simpsons (good years) moved to another network and, all of a sudden, Homer couldn't say "D'oh", or Barney couldn't be a drunk, etc. there wouldn't be an outcry? Veggie Tales' fans see the entire creative fabric of their show changed and are pissed.

And, the reason it is being censored is really lame. If you don't like it, change the damn channel. If you don't want your kids to watch it, parent them.
 
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