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2006-09-21 09:01:55 PM
why you shouldn't buy drm infected music.

//there, fixed it
 
2006-09-21 09:02:22 PM
ArbitraryConstant: I've been looking at a Sansa, since they're reasonably inexpensive and use AAA batteries.

Are you sure that's right? I just bought an e260 for my wife and it uses a usb rechargable.
 
2006-09-21 09:02:44 PM
I don't really have a problem with DRM, as long as you know what you're getting when you buy it. And if you don't, it's probably your fault. I will note however that DRM is only effective because of protectionism granted by the government.

Until songs are sold on secure devices then DRM isn't a problem for some.
 
2006-09-21 09:02:54 PM
Capt_Evil: How can people still be resisting?

Because elitist Mac assholes whose answer for everything is "Buy a Mac" make me not want to buy one. I mean, if owning a Mac is going to make me act like an elitist asshole, then I don't want one.

img209.imageshack.us

Also, iTunes has just as my DRM as anything else.
 
2006-09-21 09:03:17 PM
Whine here all you want. But if you want change, make change. Contect the music corporations. Contact your lawmakers.

In the short term, love your Big Brother.
 
2006-09-21 09:03:47 PM
Okay so is there many music that doens't have DRM rootkits?

Yeah, you can buy music from emusic. Plain, no-DRM .mp3 downloads and reasonable prices.
 
2006-09-21 09:03:57 PM
If you can hear it, IT CAN BE COPIED. Unplug your speakers, connect one end of an audio jack to the speaker OUTPUT, connect the other end to the audio INPUT of the same sound card (located usually about 1/2 inch away from the speaker OUTPUT), play the cd with winamp,musicmatch,realplayer, etc..., fire up ANY SOUND RECORDER SOFTWARE, click the RECORD button, and copy the shiat. Sure, it's extra steps....but u can select YOUR OUTPUT format. Screw 'em. Rootkits, DRM, and all of the other protection schemes have still failed to realize...that, if you can hear it, you can record it, digitally OR analog.
 
2006-09-21 09:04:06 PM
ArbitraryConstant: My bad. Some of them do use AAAs.
 
2006-09-21 09:04:14 PM
we_hates: "Are you sure that's right? I just bought an e260 for my wife and it uses a usb rechargable."

The e2xx series uses an internal battery, the c2xx and m2xx series use AAA's.
 
2006-09-21 09:04:47 PM
I use vlc and media player classic, etc. on my Media Center Edition box. XP media center works REALLY REALLY WELL though, and I use it to DVR all the tv I watch. The part about 11 deleting protected dvr content is absurd though, even though I could just watch HBO stuff 4 days later on "on demand". Not really an inconvenience, but damn creepy and I don't want it.

/wonders how long XPMCE will work on 10?
 
2006-09-21 09:06:21 PM
we_hates: "My bad. Some of them do use AAAs."

:)

earlydurb: "If you can hear it, IT CAN BE COPIED. Unplug your speakers, connect one end of an audio jack to the speaker OUTPUT, connect the other end to the audio INPUT of the same sound card (located usually about 1/2 inch away from the speaker OUTPUT), play the cd with winamp,musicmatch,realplayer, etc..., fire up ANY SOUND RECORDER SOFTWARE, click the RECORD button, and copy the shiat. Sure, it's extra steps....but u can select YOUR OUTPUT format. Screw 'em. Rootkits, DRM, and all of the other protection schemes have still failed to realize...that, if you can hear it, you can record it, digitally OR analog."

The problem is the quality loss. Same with the burn-rip strategy with iTunes. If you're going to get a crappy copy, you might as well just buy the CD and get a good rip in the first place.
 
2006-09-21 09:06:41 PM
People buy music? And they use windows media player? WTF?
 
2006-09-21 09:07:08 PM
EAC and LAME here; Microsoft and the RIAAholes can suck it.
 
2006-09-21 09:07:45 PM
ArbitraryConstant: But not any portable player.

Xclef HD-800(pops)

If you can find one...
 
2006-09-21 09:07:45 PM
ok, quick question for everyone : If you had to guess, how many TB of ripped music is all over the internet?

granted, it might well be in the PB or even EB range, but what do you think?

give a number, if you just say 'lots' you are a turd and not being very much fun...:-P

Oggs are pretty cool, db poweramp( which is free) will rip to Ogg in a snap....not that I know anything about that, cause I dont...I dont even have ears, or a head.


As far as media playback, I have used Zoomplayer for a few years now and I enjoy it, not as simple as VLC since you have to actually add codecs to it (called filters in Zoom speak) but it will tell you what codecs you are missing and point you to them on doom9's site (Zoom's home)..

Fark WMP! Fark DRM too! And Fark DRM when its labeled Palladium....

Some 12 year olds will crack it, anyway...and Fark the uninformed public for buying any machine (computer, player, whatever) that has DRM built into it!

Teach big business a lesson and tell them NO!


There is no way they can control thousands of TB of mp3 that are freely found online every hour of every day...

/end rant, begin pudding cups...who wants one?
ps, no turds saying 'lots' get a pudding cup...so there
 
2006-09-21 09:07:49 PM
edschurr: I don't really have a problem with DRM, as long as you know what you're getting when you buy it.

But they can, and do, and will again, change "what you're getting". And there is nothing you can do about it. This is the point of the article.
 
2006-09-21 09:07:55 PM
DO NOT WANT

tfmc.blogs.com
 
2006-09-21 09:08:02 PM
Cool! I am elitist asshole that loves to buy Apple Products. I only get them because they make me feel superior and they look cooler. Whew, it feels good to type that out loud. It is empowering.
 
2006-09-21 09:08:07 PM
ArbitraryConstant: That's a bit more than I want to pay for my next one, and things are still a little sparse on the player support side (eg if they go out of business I'd be in trouble).

I hear that, but it's one of those relatively small bullets I've decided to bite. Most of the big players are reliable on that count precisely because they've made a fortune supporting proprietary content. Even though no player works for 100% of people 100% of the time, I can testify that this one is good, and while NewEgg reviews can often be taken with a grain of salt, almost everyone there seems satisfied with it too.

I also don't want to convert a lossy collection to another lossy collection.

You'd be surprised at the preservation of sound quality when converting with the newer versions of Ogg Vorbis. I use dbPowerAMP Music Converter to convert to Ogg Vorbis AoTuV b4 SSE2, usually around quality 6 or 7 (out of 10; this is equivalent to most common MP3 compressions), and there's really no distinction between the files when you listen to them, either on your computer or burned to CD.
 
2006-09-21 09:08:25 PM
Schadenfruede: People buy music? And they use windows media player? WTF?


I use media player - but I have modded it so much it pretty much plays anything I can get, including dvds. I had no idea it wasn't supposed to until someone pointed that out.
 
2006-09-21 09:09:23 PM
What's this "Windows Media Player 11" thing y'll talkin'bout?

Media Player Classic (pops)
 
2006-09-21 09:09:23 PM
Silvertail:

Go ahead...I stole it from someone else here on Fark.

I like it...and it seems appropriate for this thread
 
2006-09-21 09:10:30 PM
elffster: If you had to guess, how many TB of ripped music is all over the internet?

I think we're well outside the range of TBs if it comes to guessing that.....
 
2006-09-21 09:10:42 PM
make your own music....distribute it for free. Screw the middleman and rock stars with gold-plated swimming pools.
 
2006-09-21 09:10:50 PM
elffster: ok, quick question for everyone : If you had to guess, how many TB of ripped music is all over the internet?


It's not a constant numbr because it comes and goes. I think its safe to say that anything that was ever recorded (including glass spindles) is on the net if you know where to look. So putting a number on it is pointless.
 
2006-09-21 09:10:51 PM
Funny how people think Gates is still running the show...
 
2006-09-21 09:11:28 PM
Capt_Evil: Get a Mac.

yeah, because rootkits have no effect whatsoever on Macs. (yes, this is dripping sarcasm)

you're cute when you're smug.

I give your troll attempt a 4 out of 10. You got 4 only because quote a few people bit, including me. You lose 6 points for being a smug, unoriginal bastard.

Better luck next time.
 
2006-09-21 09:12:50 PM
kb7rky: Go ahead...I stole it from someone else here on Fark.

I like it...and it seems appropriate for this thread


I found it rather amusing
 
2006-09-21 09:13:05 PM
deeproy: What's this "Windows Media Player 11" thing y'll talkin'bout?

No idea.

foobar2000(pops)
VLC media player(pops)
 
2006-09-21 09:13:41 PM
ack, got to love fark, ask a simple question and get ...nada..

come on guys, give your best guess...you can guess, its ok..sheesh....
 
Bek
2006-09-21 09:13:48 PM
Sunny Ray, the guys at Penny Arcade who made that awesome comic up there intended to lance people who are elitists assholes in general, but used Macs due to whatever was in the news that day. Unfortunately, the lemming like audience that PA attracts takes things at face value and usually goes into frothing-at-the-mouth mode when the word Mac comes up, all the while disregarding that PA uses them.

So relax a bit, let the him have his fun. Of course, there's an excellent chance that you are an elitist ass due to your response, in which case please burst another forehead vein.

/Not a Mac user
//Anyone who picks sides is an idiot
 
2006-09-21 09:14:07 PM
HumbleGod: "Most of the big players are reliable on that count precisely because they've made a fortune supporting proprietary content."

The difference is that MP3 is supported by almost everyone. If any of the individual players goes out of business, you're still okay.

"You'd be surprised at the preservation of sound quality when converting with the newer versions of Ogg Vorbis."

I'd probably be prepared to bite that bullet if I had to, but I really don't see it coming to that. It would be a last resort.
 
2006-09-21 09:15:03 PM
http://fascination127.com


Free Music. No DRM.

Not bad.
 
2006-09-21 09:15:17 PM
//Anyone who picks sides is an idiot


I'll have what he's having...(he/she...not like I turned 'em over and looked)
 
2006-09-21 09:15:18 PM
ArbitraryConstant: The problem is the quality loss. Same with the burn-rip strategy with iTunes. If you're going to get a crappy copy, you might as well just buy the CD and get a good rip in the first place.

If they're trying to screw over my fair-use rights with overly restrictive DRM, I'm more than happy to put up with a "ever so slightly" degraded analog copy over buying it...
 
2006-09-21 09:15:24 PM
hey, how bout you stop your f****ng bi***ing and just not buy their DRM media? problem solved. stop complaining about contracts that you have a choice to make.
 
2006-09-21 09:16:05 PM
I've never bought DRM'd music and I never will. And when I (rarely) buy CD's, it's from a used music store, so the RIAA doesn't get any more money than it already has from the disc.

ev: Don't return your Tivo, take it out to the country and blow it up. Post the video online, along with an explanation why and a PayPal address begging for donations. Odds are you'll recoup some of your losses, or at least make a little internet history.

Either way, there will be a little less DRM in the world.

/easy for me to say, I didn't spend money on it
 
2006-09-21 09:16:40 PM
2006-09-21 08:56:33 PM ArbitraryConstant [TotalFark]

HumbleGod: "Ogg Vorbis has enough support to work fine on any computer"

But not any portable player.


I have an iriver player that plays ogg just fine. I had to load the latest firmware to get ogg support, but that's usually a good idea anyway.

Just a helpful suggestion( Cue "the more you know thing").

BW
 
2006-09-21 09:16:56 PM
faethe

I think its safe to say that anything that was ever recorded (including glass spindles) is on the net if you know where to look.

Ok, can someone tell me where to find songs from Elmer Fudpucker? I've been looking for those for years.
 
2006-09-21 09:17:05 PM
Nogami: "If they're trying to screw over my fair-use rights with overly restrictive DRM, I'm more than happy to put up with a "ever so slightly" degraded analog copy over buying it..."

Conversely, I'm prepared to buy it, but I'm not prepared to buy from any of the DRM'd services. Except maybe the subscription ones, since they don't make any pretence of you getting to keep the music.
 
2006-09-21 09:17:07 PM
kingflower: make your own music....distribute it for free

I think you're right. This is the way of the future
 
2006-09-21 09:19:58 PM
lsc78: Free Music. No DRM.

Not bad.



Is that you - because you so do not suck at all! Good stuff!
 
2006-09-21 09:21:32 PM
earlydurb: Unplug your speakers, connect one end of an audio jack to the speaker OUTPUT, connect the other end to the audio INPUT of the same sound card

You don't even need to do that, just select "stereo mix" as the source in Audacity and you can record all sound that comes through your speakers
 
2006-09-21 09:21:41 PM
2006-09-21 08:55:52 PM Eric Hexagon
run:mplayer2

still works in xp at least...
 
2006-09-21 09:23:53 PM
Support Emusic.com you buy the MP3's.. its legal and no DRM on them at all. Support NonDRM music.. do not support DRM!
 
2006-09-21 09:24:08 PM
thisispete: You don't even need to do that, just select "stereo mix" as the source in Audacity and you can record all sound that comes through your speakers

Oh don't worry, the powers that be are working on "fixing" that hole as well
 
2006-09-21 09:24:38 PM
music piracy is wrong.


/vlc player and winamp rule
//don't click my profile
 
2006-09-21 09:24:43 PM
I read that as DLR infected music.

/likes bluegrass but geez
 
2006-09-21 09:25:20 PM
K-Lite Mega Codec Pack is all you need to play WMP, quicktime, realplayer etc etc. Or VLC, both are good.

http://www.codecguide.com/

DRM sounds terrible. Good thing I don't purchase music. Don't plan on it in the future the way things are going.
 
2006-09-21 09:25:20 PM
SharkUW: hey, how bout you stop your f****ng bi***ing and just not buy their DRM media? problem solved. stop complaining about contracts that you have a choice to make.

Complaining loudly about other people complaining? That's a paddlin'.
 
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