Well, at least they've got business ethics all figured out...

After years of the Stalinist indoctrination that the rich are evil cheaters, I'm not surprised at this statement:
"...with many [students] saying they cheated because they believed it was an accepted practice in business."

Tell poor kids that rich only make their money by being evil, and they will think that when they decide they want to be rich.

Unwonted: After years of the Stalinist indoctrination

can i buy drugs from you?

heap: can i buy drugs from you?

Heh. No kidding.

It's not like the last 6 years haven't been a cavalcade of perp walks and gigantic bankruptcies or anything.

Abagadro: It's not like the last 6 years haven't been a cavalcade of perp walks and gigantic bankruptcies or anything.

yah, i think that was on account of the marxist indoctrination, tho....

...yah know...the 'give a penny/take a penny' jar convenience stores? root of all evil, right there.

I thought it was the black pickled egg.

Obvious tag? No?

"Following business students, 54 percent of graduate engineering students admitted to cheating, as did 50 percent of physical science students, 49 percent of medical and health-care students, O percent of law students, 43 percent of liberal arts students and 39 percent of social science and humanities students."

Can someone tell me the difference between a "liberal arts" student and a "humanities" student?

/graduate music student, we only cheat on other people

Jesus Christ!
That's a lot of cheating. I wonder how much of that is on a regular basis.

And it's starting to show.

And the biz students control the auditors, which means that the results are skewed.

Of course if it's really "O percent of law students" (previous poster) then it's FICTION and nothing to do with the real world.

0% of law students admitted cheating? Why am I not surprised? Farking lawyers, they are TRAINED in how to lie effectively and obviously they take to heart the lawyer's mantra of 'admit nothing'.

I tend to find that people who criticize the works of Karl Marx haven't read them.

All Apologies wins. Thread over.

Abagadro: It's not like the last 6 years haven't been a cavalcade of perp walks and gigantic bankruptcies or anything.

Because poor people don't commit crimes or go bankrupt? What? There are dishonest people at all levels.

Let's not continue to train students that the only way to be rich is to be evil. Contstantly (and often unconsiously) teaching kids that rich and evil must go hand-in-hand is very counter-productive. Instead, they should be taught ethics and pointed in the direction of positive business world role-models. Hold the good ones up as shining examples.

BrokenCow: 39 percent of social science and humanities students


Wooo. We cheat less, we cheat less.

Universaloneness

One is a subset of the other. No idea why they separated it out like that.

BrokenCow was pulling our legs and I fell for it because I didn't RTFA before posting. Oh well, I'm gullible.

Unwonted

Have you ever been to a B-school? My guess is no.

I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy sitting next to me.
-woody

Abagadro: Have you ever been to a B-school? My guess is no.

That's not what I'm talking about.

skwerl

BrokenCow was pulling our legs and I fell for it because I didn't RTFA before posting. Oh well, I'm gullible.

I found it a little hard to believe.. but I was surprised by the 45%. I mean, I expect them to cheat, but I would never hire a lawyer dumb enough to fess up to it.

Who are they letting in to law schools these days?

As a current business student.. this study is simply not accurate.

Business school is so simple... An student cheating in business school is like Marion Jones using steroids to ensure she outruns retards at the special olympics.

At least we have a reason to cheat.

/not a business student
//no idea how difficult that degree is

Unwonted: That's not what I'm talking about.

You're not? Could have fooled me. What are you talking about then. Where is all this "Stalinist indoctrination" taking place that leads to business students cheating?

Abagadro: Where is all this "Stalinist indoctrination" taking place that leads to business students cheating?

i'm tellin ya man, it's that 'give a penny/take a penny' jar. it's the gateway drug to communism.

I also want some of Unwonted's drugs.

/Um, on second thought, maybe not

Mediocre
But
Arrogant.

CougarJeff: 49 percent of medical and health-care students

You know what they call the person who graduated absolutely last in medical school?

Doctor.

I was a poli-sci major, philosophy minor in college...and after graduation, I found out I was in the SIGNIFICANT minority of people who never cheated, not even once. I felt like a fool. :-(

Students cheat.

Lawyers lie.

Businessmen steal.

Doctors harm.

Researchers copy.

Hookers fake orgasms.

I'd be disenchanted if I weren't absolutely certain this has been going on since the day those professions were invented.

McCabe said it's likely that more students cheat than admit to it. Let's hear it for this guy!
But seriously, cheating is a bad thing. Not so much for the administration, they're still getting your tuition. But you don't learn how to solve problems or deal with the stress of being stuck. An education is partly the things you learn, the rest is what you had to do in order to learn them. It's the groundwork for your life, and you're just screwing yourself over.

I tend to find that people who criticize the works of Karl Marx haven't read them.

Or have read a lot of Foucault

Students cheat.

Lawyers lie.

Businessmen steal.

Doctors harm.

Researchers copy.

Excuse me for pointing out that these are issues that we should be dealing with.

Hookers fake orgasms.


Excuse me for pointing out this is something you should already know.

P.S.

Strippers take off their clothes for money.

Taking care of one will improve us as a society.

Realizing the other won't change much.

The graduate political science students only pass if they don't get caugt.

Unwonted is absolutely right. Graduate business students' cheating is evidence that they have been indoctrinated in the idea that it's bad to become rich, and thus one must be bad to become rich. Which is why they also terrorize grannies and smoke in the bathroom. Humanities students, of course, are exempt from that marxist/stalinist indoctrination (doye), which is why they don't cheat.

There is no way that it could be, say, hyper-conformity to the profit motive, or to the acquisition of rewards to the neglect of other considerations. No, Unwonted is 100% correct. (Don't RTFA, whatever you do)

/I cheated
//with your momma

As a med student, I have no idea how 49% of us can be cheating. They don't let you take anything to exams but pencils and they watch us like hawks.

I've read Marx. It gives me the heeby-jeebies that anyone takes him seriously. He has no respect for history, which is ironic since history is supposed to be his big thing. He's an intellectual of the worst kind - arrogant and self-aggrandizing.

I'm simply stunned at this news.

PopeUrban

Well played, sir.

Tactful

What have you read? No agenda, I'm seriously asking.

Its pretty farking hilarious watching people cheat in college. What is supposed to be a thoughtful intelligent process turns into simple and crude biological goal seeking. Even amoeba's can ooze towards food, good job. There's this thing called "stealing" and you can start today. You can do sales, for instance.

Tactful: I've read Marx. It gives me the heeby-jeebies that anyone takes him seriously. He has no respect for history, which is ironic since history is supposed to be his big thing. He's an intellectual of the worst kind - arrogant and self-aggrandizing.

I think that his criticisms of capitalism are better than his efforts to devise a new economic system. I mean, a lot of people don't see the criticism of capitalism as the thrust of Marx's works, but I think that those bits are better than the bits on Communism. Communism as he presented it was a very prefunctary system. It doesn't mean it can't work, but we do need to do much more legwork before we can make it work.

Which category is math in? I guess we don't cheat.

I'm a PhD student in aerospace enginnering. In most of my graduate level classes, there have only been 10 or less students enrolled in each class. Most of my classes are projects/tests only. There is no assigned homework, which is great because most engineering students learn from longer project assigments. Most of these projects require rather large FORTRAN or C++ codes to complete. Of course the students discuss answers on these projects... that's how people learn. That's not cheating.

I'm sure that some graduate level students cheat, but I haven't seen it at UMR.

Problem is that in my major, if you cheat, you'll kill someone

/major: aviation flight operations (aka pilot)
//and if a student pilot cheats in class, then he doesn't learn.
///if he doesn't learn, he'll kill himself and his passengers.

Gaping logical flaw in your argument, Unwonted. Business students don't take Marx. They don't take philosophy. The only humanities that business students take are the ones that they are forced to take in order to graduate. And then they let everyone else in the class know just how low their opinion is of anything that won't make them money. In general, some of the most reprehensable people I have ever met.

/Then again, there's theatre students.
//reprehensable for completely different reasons.
///generalizations are fun

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