in related news for the victorian gentleman

http://ejmas.com/jnc/jncart_barton-wright_0200.htm

self defense class?

I'm recalling something about... mace and a swift kick to the crotch vs. an overzealous ninja.

anyone?

"People see I'm a cripple, you wouldn't believe the crap they let me get away with..."

Shillelagh, and the fine old art of Bataireacht Sail-Éílle, was so effective that the English banned the Irish from even owning one.

Nice to see that some form of self defense is still legal, other than cooperating, staying calm, and calling 911 afterwards if you're still alive.

Canes are fun.

Scooby's'pawn: Canes are fun.

Sword canes are illegal in many jurisdictions.

Check your local laws.

HAL_lives: Shillelagh, and the fine old art of Bataireacht Sail-Éílle, was so effective that the English banned the Irish from even owning one.

Gotta love the Irish.

We're so badass that they don't even want to let us own sticks.

Is it Whacking Day already?

tai chi... he's going to teach them "modified tai chi"?

i'll stick with my escrima thankyouverymuch.

Don't mess with Bill of Bills Market. I saw that man take down a tweaked out shoplifter who was twice his size. Old man strength. yeah.

SELF-defense...not chasing crotch goblins off your lawn whilst beating them about the head with your pegleg.

http://www.chentaichi.org/instructor---gordon-muir.html

i see now lei tai nor san shou training in his bio, but lots of forms practice.

additionally
"Gordon has been training in martial arts since the age of 12. He first studied hard style martial arts, including Judo, Karate, Kempo and kickboxing. By the time he began studying internal martial arts he was ranked as a 3rd degree black sash."

none of those arts use sashes for ranks. and ... 3rd degreee in what? all three?

i wanna see what this guy can do.

I'm a 3rd degree back slash.
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maverickz
none of those arts use sashes for ranks. and ... 3rd degreee in what? all three?

Chinese arts often use a sash for rank. Certain styles of Kempo are Chinese.

krode
i'm willing to take that explanation, though it still leaves a lot of ambiguity there as to what exactly that means.

maverickz

From your post, I would assume it means that he had studied long enough to rank as what you might recognize as a 3rd dan black belt, In Shaolin (or similar) Kempo before beginning internal martial arts, such as Tai Chi.

I'll have to ask my Sensei, he probably knows the guy. (I live in Victoria, he is quite well known in the local martial arts community, and he knows everyone.)

Stinkmeaner: Who in the hell parked in my space? That's like callin', 1-800-Collect an ASS whoppin', and no, that ain't no toll-free call, partna.
Grandad: You hit my car. Are you blind?
Stinkmeaner: YES....I....AM. So?
Grandad: Wait. You're blind?
Stinkmeaner: Yes. BLIND. You got a problem with dat, nubian?

Tai Chi? Hapkido is the school to go to for cane weapon training.

muninsfire
Sword canes are illegal in many jurisdictions.

If I was an old dude and needed a cane and I was worried about them young punks hasslin' me I would get a well-made (i.e. casually undetectable) sword cane in a second. The problem of course is that you wouldn't want to forget about it and try to board a plane with it by accident.

In fact, I can hardly wait until I get old now so that I get walk with a sword cane and learn how to beat you young punks upside the head with it.

/would only use the pointy bit if you punks really deserved it

Back when I actively studied and practiced martial arts I was taught techniques using a standard crook-necked walking cane. There's a lot more you can do than just whack someone upside the head. Not that that isn't effective.

Strega
Hapkido is the school to go to for cane weapon training.

Yes, and highly appropriate for elderly...

Tai Chi has extensive stright sword technique that is appropriate for a cane, and is low impact on the practitioner.

And I would say escrima or arnis, and many other Phillipino martial arts would be better for cane practice than Hapkido.

Jument: If I was an old dude and needed a cane and I was worried about them young punks hasslin' me I would get a well-made (i.e. casually undetectable) sword cane in a second. The problem of course is that you wouldn't want to forget about it and try to board a plane with it by accident.

In fact, I can hardly wait until I get old now so that I get walk with a sword cane and learn how to beat you young punks upside the head with it.

I dunno. I think that my personal preference will work just as well, and will probably be just fine taking on a plane when I'm old.

Dang, the number and type of weapons you could put in a cane is really up to the imagination. It would be easy to integrate a pressurized can of pepper spray, a cattle prod, several different kinds of regular and spring-loaded blades, even a gun. It could have a telescopic snap stick in it, or the cane could have a high-tension spring and a weighted tip, giving you a spring stick capable of smashing a cinder block in a wall.

A carefully designed detachable head could be used like brass knuckles.

The body could be quickly modified to be used as nunchaku or a tonfa.

muninsfire

The way things are going, you probably won't be allowed to fly with a cane by the time you need one...

http://raisingcanes.net/

Check this guy out. The senior's Chuck Norris. Or is Chuck Norris a senior now???

Of course the reality is that most old people who use canes are
not very quick or strong. Anyone who's practiced the nei gong knows it takes years of training not a few weekends to develop any kind of power or skill. It's not magic. I bet 99 times out of 100 a young mugger who spent a few months in prison bulking up will kick the snot out of the poor senior, cane or no.
Unless of course it's a cattle prod.

I used to carry one of those cheap sword canes featured above but you have to unscrew them to open them. Then I found a high quality one that is pushbutton and passed right through the local courthouse metal detector. I was sweating bullets but I didn't get caught with it. Holds a decent edge too.


Lee451
Local Cripple

krode: The way things are going, you probably won't be allowed to fly with a cane by the time you need one...

It always swings the other way eventually.

muninsfire

Meh. That's a little ghey. If you raise your ghey-looking (but effective) cudgel at some punk he's just going to laugh at your feebleness. On the other hand if he comes at you and you whip our your sword cane and stab him in the heart (just like a manta ray!) he won't be laughing.

http://web.it.kth.se/~mana/piero/streethawk.jpg

This guy had a cane ... he'd still kick your ass!

Jument: Meh. That's a little ghey. If you raise your ghey-looking (but effective) cudgel at some punk he's just going to laugh at your feebleness. On the other hand if he comes at you and you whip our your sword cane and stab him in the heart (just like a manta ray!) he won't be laughing.

You mean my lead-loaded stick, and break his skull?

krode
i understand what he wants to imply. but he is being very misleading in that bio. and i'm sure he knows it. a 3rd dan means very different things in different arts. i would be afraid of just about any 3rd dan judoka, i would not be afraid of 99% of 3rd dan karateka.

secondly, it is a mistake to equate the sword to the cane. many arts do this, and it is dangerous. the sword, similarly to a knife, is a touch weapon. the cane is a strike weapon. the former you have to cut, slash, draw, slice, thrust, etc with. the latter, you can thrust or slash. maybe this isn't as crucial when fighting with one, but deadly when fighting against one. and going from one to the other is a small step for many people.

hapkido does have a cane curriculum. but i wouldn't recommend it. hapkido suffers from KMAS (korean martial arts syndrome) in that most of the schools suck. (i say that as a KMAin).

MrMalice has sinawalied the correct.

(anyway, off to practice)

IMHO, old people that haven't been training for a long time in martial arts or at least something that keeps them in decent physical shape would be far better off with firearms training. I agree with MrMalice and maverickz.

However, a nice hardwood cane can put the hurt on someone pretty quick, especially if you know what you're doing.

But this is Canada, right? Can't have the oldsters defending themselves with an effective weapon, can we?

I've got a bunch of loganberries.

What, no GOML pics yet..?

I think Charles Sumner would have something to say about this.

2006-09-20 06:56:28 PM Strega
Tai Chi? Hapkido is the school to go to for cane weapon training.
/Train maculele and escrima
//Wanna crosstrain in Hapkido
///Dog Brothers....someday!

What about the noble art of 'Ecky Thump'?

When my knee finally goes completely I'll go with either Cocobolo or Dymondwood (laminate product). Nice n' heavy, still got good arms from regular work in a blacksmith shop so weight not a problem.
With a cocobolo cane you don't need a blade inside. Sure, you can't take someone's head off but you can make it awfully mushy.

maverickz
i would be afraid of just about any 3rd dan judoka, i would not be afraid of 99% of 3rd dan karateka.

Strange, because the ranking systems are equal in those systems. Dan is a black belt rank. You reach black belt, you are 1st dan (any decent judo or karate school will make sure that takes years, and you are therefore effective.)

secondly, it is a mistake to equate the sword to the cane. many arts do this, and it is dangerous. the sword, similarly to a knife, is a touch weapon. the cane is a strike weapon. the former you have to cut, slash, draw, slice, thrust, etc with. the latter, you can thrust or slash.

I disagree. And practicing both aikido (staff, bokken, tanto) and modern arnis (canes, sticks, tanto, machete, and knife), I have a good sense of what the differences are, and how edge and cane style weapons are interchangable. Arnis in fact relies on this.

maybe this isn't as crucial when fighting with one, but deadly when fighting against one.

These people are being trained to fight with the canes, not against them. That's the point.

Let me hit you with a stick and we'll see if it hurts ;)

implementor
IMHO, old people that haven't been training for a long time in martial arts or at least something that keeps them in decent physical shape would be far better off with firearms training.

While it's true that they aren't in the best shape for it, it's only meant as a simple way of letting them defend themselves if it becomes necessary.

Living in Victoria, a gun would never be necessary, it's one of the most laid back and non-violent cities I have ever lived in. Canes will suffice, trust me.

Besides, giving a near sighted, twitchy, short tempered old lady is not a good idea in my opinion...


Lizard
/Train maculele and escrima
///Dog Brothers....someday!

Stick with the escrima, Avoid the Dog Brothers. What they do is worthless.

krode
you must not be aware of the disconnect between dan rank and actual skill that exists in most styles of karate, and tkd and kenpo and etc etc etc. i can point you to many many people who have spent years in their style and can't fight their way out of a paper bag. also, the ranking systems are in fact NOT the same in judo and most karate. (i say most because I exclude kyokushin and its offshoots in my critique. kyokushin... keeps it realz yo)

what style of aikido? please don't be aikikai, pretty please. anyway, your arnis teacher should have taught you the difference between the use of a stick and the use of a blade. if he has not, i suggest looking for another school. many filipino teachers, as tradition dictates, teach stick first and transition to knife and machete but don't thoroughly explain the differences.

i've been hit with a stick many a times. i agree it hurts. but it certainly won't cause massive arterial bleeding.

let me gently slice you with a knife and see if you bleed.

krode
Avoid the Dog Brothers. What they do is worthless.

ahahahahah, wait wait.. and modern arnis is not worthless?
please tell me you're joking.

ever been to a gathering?

maverickz: . but it certainly won't cause massive arterial bleeding.

No, it won't. It's not meant to.

Organ ruptures, on the other hand.....