Whoa whoa whoa...

Tatsuma
...not even Jews (only a Jewish father, or converts to Reform and Conservative)

Are you serious? There aren't enough Jews in the world to start getting elitist about how "Jewish" people are....

GOD?

I don't think it's really a Jewish thing. It's basic decency. What the deal with all these damned foie gras stories anyway? A mass-media experiment?

Tatsuma,

There are other ways to kill animals without cruelty that does not necessitate them to be killed in a Kosher way

Do you even know the process to Kosherize meat?

Fine, then why aren't they lobbying to make all meat in Chicago illegal if the animals are subjected to cruelty before/during death?

I simply chose the Kosher law because it's a widely encompassing set of guidelines to ensure that all animals are treated in a relatively humane fashion.

There's always a place for God's creatures . . .


Right next to the mash potatoes and green beans.

SchlingFo: Fine, then why aren't they lobbying to make all meat in Chicago illegal if the animals are subjected to cruelty before/during death?

How do you know whether they are or they aren't?

Do you have the minutes of all the Aldermen's meetings?

Again, it's probably only making the news because that's what the current controversy is!

ZzeusS: I don't think it's really a Jewish thing. It's basic decency. What the deal with all these damned foie gras stories anyway? A mass-media experiment?

It's the fault of the French.

Has anyone hear tried foie gras? How does it taste? I'm curious now.

So is veal, by the very nature of how the animals are raised, non-kosher?

Tatsuma: /*What a weird thing to say

It's even weirder to pronounce.

"Fwah Grah"

Freakin' French.

Uhm, god is _already_ angry at Chicago.

They got the Bears and Cubs don't they?

/Kidding.
//Sorta, just the Bears, Cubs are OK.
///I thought all those religious types thought god put all the critters here for us to eat and abuse as we please...

Yahweh unavailable for comment

I LOL'd.

Tatsuma

"Only Jews are farking required to eat Kosher! We represent .02% of America! Why would we force Kosher food on everyone??"

I don't know why you do, but our neighbor got her ass chewed out last sunday when she brought non-Kosher snacks to the kids soccer game.

elchip: So is veal, by the very nature of how the animals are raised, non-kosher?

I hope not, or my comedy routine's going to need some work when I go to a Jewish club....

muninsfire,

How do you know whether they are or they aren't?

I don't know for sure.

But, having seen how quick people in this country are to jump on media bandwagons and instantly polarize on an issue, it's a good bet that this is a bandwagon thing.

Tatsuma: It taste like the sweet, sweet tears of a crying child wrapped in the suffering of cute, cuddly animals.

Hey, that's just what I need for my "Sadomasochism Special"!

/It's got duckling and puppy in it.

halfof33: I don't know why you do, but our neighbor got her ass chewed out last sunday when she brought non-Kosher snacks to the kids soccer game.

I assume it's because she was going to feed those snacks to her Jewish kids?

What's going to happen, are they going to be invaded by Germans?

Oh. Never mind.

elchip: So is veal, by the very nature of how the animals are raised, non-kosher?

You can have my veal when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.

SchlingFo: But, having seen how quick people in this country are to jump on media bandwagons and instantly polarize on an issue, it's a good bet that this is a bandwagon thing.

And if you had an issue you'd been dealing with for a long time, an issue that wasn't very popular, and the opportunity came to publicise it due to some controversy, you wouldn't "jump on the bandwagon" too?

It is insulting to animals to belabor them with human emotions. They're not humans. Why does everything have to act and feel and be like a human to be worthwhile? Stupid animal activists, really just egotistical ethnocentrists who can't stand the idea of a 'dumb animal' being a worthwhile lifeform. It's gotta be a feeling loving human being with fur/flippers/scales instead.

Oh and I've never eaten this food and don't give a flying fig if you do. Enjoy.

Tatsuma It taste like the sweet, sweet tears of a crying child wrapped in the suffering of cute, cuddly animals.

That good, huh? ;-)

G2V: It is insulting to animals to belabor them with human emotions. They're not humans.

They do, however, have nerves that are capable of feeling pain.

If you've ever overeaten, you know what that pain feels like.

Thus the objection to this practice.

For what it's worth, a little Foie Gras Wiki excerpt...

"More likely, the tradition was preserved by the Jews, who learned the method of enlarging a goose's liver during the Roman colonisation of Israel. The Jews carried this culinary knowledge as they migrated farther north and west to Europe.

The Judaic dietary law, Kashrut, forbade lard as a cooking medium, and butter, too, was proscribed as an alternative since it also prohibited mixing meat and dairy products. Jewish cuisine used olive oil in the Mediterranean, and sesame oil in Babylonia, but neither cooking medium was easily available in Western and Central Europe, so poultry fat, which could be abundantly produced by overfeeding geese, was substituted in their stead. The delicate taste of the goose's liver soon was appreciated; witnessed by Hans Wilhelm Kirchhof of Kassel, who in 1562 wrote that the Jews raise fat geese and particularly love their livers. Some Rabbis were concerned with the kashrut dietary complications consequent to overfeeding geese, because Jewish law prohibits eating an animal that cannot live for more than twelve months. The chasam sofer, Rabbi Moses Sofer, contended that, even though the animal might die within twelve months, it is not a treyf animal as none of its limbs is damaged. This matter remained a debated topic in Jewish dietary law until the Jewish taste for goose liver declined in the 19th century. Another kashrut matter, still a problem today, is that even properly slaughtered and inspected meat must be drained of blood before being considered fit to eat. Usually, salting achieves that; however, as liver is regarded as "(almost) wholly blood", broiling is the the only way of kashering. Properly broiling a foie gras-and preserving its delicate taste- is an arduous endeavour few engage seriously."

A little irony, I suppose....

minoridiot: No matter how cute you cut them, some people just don't appreciate bacon-braunsweiger sandwiches.

It's because you left the crusts on.

/Braunsweinger isn't kosher? Is it made from pork livers or something?
//I ate that for a while in school specifically to gross the other kids out.

muninsfire,

And if you had an issue you'd been dealing with for a long time, an issue that wasn't very popular, and the opportunity came to publicise it due to some controversy, you wouldn't "jump on the bandwagon" too?

Yeah, I would.

And, I wouldn't fault anyone for questioning my reasons, seeing as how the other 99% of the people on the bandwagon were going to be off the bandwagon as soon as the spotlight went away.

Like I said, I don't know for sure, but if I were a betting man, my money would be on these guys focusing their attention on some other cause de jour the minute the spotlight is off this.

Just like the immigration issue.

SchlingFo: Like I said, I don't know for sure, but if I were a betting man, my money would be on these guys focusing their attention on some other cause de jour the minute the spotlight is off this.

That's the problem--the national attention span is so freakin' short that you can *have* a cause-du-jour that everyone focusses heavily on until a new one comes up.

And if, like most people, you have a variety of interests/causes that you want to see advocated, it can be a ruddy pain to try to keep up with the trends.

Mugato: Why would God need animal sacrefices?

Because he gets a kick out of seeing His followers act like this:

Moses took of the blood of it, and put it upon the tip of Aaron's right ear, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot. And he brought Aaron's sons, and Moses put of the blood upon the tip of their right ear, and upon the thumbs of their right hands, and upon the great toes of their right feet: and Moses sprinkled the blood upon the altar round about. And he took the fat, and the rump, and all the fat that was upon the inwards, and the caul above the liver, and the two kidneys, and their fat, and the right shoulder: And out of the basket of unleavened bread, that was before the LORD, he took one unleavened cake, and a cake of oiled bread, and one wafer, and put them on the fat, and upon the right shoulder: And he put all upon Aaron's hands, and upon his sons' hands, and waved them for a wave offering before the LORD. And Moses took them from off their hands, and burnt them on the altar upon the burnt offering: they were consecrations for a sweet savour: it is an offering made by fire unto the LORD. And Moses took the breast, and waved it for a wave offering before the LORD: for of the ram of consecration it was Moses' part; as the LORD commanded Moses. And Moses took of the anointing oil, and of the blood which was upon the altar, and sprinkled it upon Aaron, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon his sons' garments with him; and sanctified Aaron, and his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him.

I_C_Weener: /Never had Foie Gras. The word just makes me think of funky grass, whatever that is.

So what does Mardi Gras make you think of?

I_C_Weener: Haven't you guys suffered enough?

Dude, you just asked a Jew about suffering.

Just be glad he's not a mother.

Uh...these Jews are only telling other Jews that they will be in trouble if they support the torture of animals before slaughter (something which is discussed thoroughly in the Torah).

One irony is that the Jews helped carry the tradition of fattening geese for their livers into modern times. It was later decided that the practice was cruel and therefore not kosher, but by that time it had really caught on with the gentiles in Europe.

In any case, I would not feel comfortable eating foie gras even though I don't keep kashrut. I also don't think eating it should be illegal.

elchip: So what does Mardi Gras make you think of?

Marty's Grass, the local weed hookup and smoke shop.

Why?

I_C_Weener: That's the problem--the national attention span is so freakin' short that you can *have* a cause-du-jour that everyone LOOK a missing white girl! What were you saying?

Exactly.

muninsfire,

That's the problem--the national attention span is so freakin' short that you can *have* a cause-du-jour that everyone focusses heavily on until a new one comes up.

And if, like most people, you have a variety of interests/causes that you want to see advocated, it can be a ruddy pain to try to keep up with the trends.

That's true.

Of course, my main purpose in all this was to fark with Tatsuma.

I've never seen anyone defend anything as rabidly as he does when it comes to things Jewish, and I like to see exactly how far he'll take that defense.

Hell, even the most rabid of Bush supporters here on Fark don't support Bush 100%.

Mugato: Why is that anyway? Why would God need animal sacrefices?

The truth is.. God really hates animals and requires them to be sacrificed.

He just doesn't want to get blood on his robes.