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(Independent)   Bush preparing an "astonishing" U-turn on White House position on global warming in what insiders are already calling the "Nixon goes to China" moment of his presidency   (news.independent.co.uk ) divider line
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2006-09-17 12:42:26 PM  
All he has to do is admit the scientists are right, climate change is real and man-made, and my jaw would drop.
 
2006-09-17 12:45:43 PM  
That would be a pale shadow of "A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not."
 
2006-09-17 12:55:46 PM  
This will be as noncommital as possible, and plan on it being forgotten altogether by December.
 
2006-09-17 01:10:36 PM  
Fake!

http://gas.notontopic.com/pics/Meg_Ryan_Orgasm_baja.jpg
 
2006-09-17 01:11:13 PM  
Oh darnit... FAKE!
gas.notontopic.com

/the thrill is gone
 
2006-09-17 01:15:14 PM  
There will never be a "Nixon goes to China" moment for the Bush presidency.
 
2006-09-17 01:15:50 PM  
I'll bet any proposal he signs off on will end up increasing taxes and require much more government oversight/control on state/local activities.
 
2006-09-17 01:16:12 PM  
BXRWXR: There will never be a "Nixon goes to China" moment for the Bush presidency.

Perhaps he could send the decayed remains of Nixon to Beijing?
 
2006-09-17 01:16:59 PM  
This would make about as much sense as anything else he's done lately, so I wouldn't completely write off the report.
 
2006-09-17 01:21:33 PM  
BXRWXR: There will never be a "Nixon goes to China" moment for the Bush presidency.

Yeah, he's more of a Lyndon Johnson model.
 
2006-09-17 01:24:27 PM  
This would make about as much sense as anything else he's done lately, so I wouldn't completely write off the report.


It's like Bush has a checklist of Conservative ideals he has to betray before 2008.
 
2006-09-17 01:40:09 PM  
submitter: astonishing" U-turn

does not seem to be a Bushism
 
2006-09-17 02:10:50 PM  
His Nixon moment should be climbing the stairs to Marine 1 and waving goodbye.
 
2006-09-17 09:48:15 PM  
BXRWXR: There will never be a "Nixon goes to China" moment for the Bush presidency.


How about Bush goes for Chinese food moment? General Tso surrenders!!!!
 
2006-09-17 10:17:59 PM  
That would be utterly retarded given the invasion of Iraq and Cheney's energy plan.
 
2006-09-17 10:39:16 PM  
Bush announces Global War on Warming. If you're not with us, you're with the polluters.
 
2006-09-17 11:23:14 PM  
But Iain Murray, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, Mr Bush's chief climate change cheerleader, is deeply alarmed: "We are left with the unpleasant conclusion that the only motivation is political."

now that made me laugh
 
2006-09-17 11:38:24 PM  
I call this the "Bush goes to the North Pole" moment, where Bush flies up there to visit Santa Claus
 
2006-09-18 12:24:51 AM  
Well, of course, because at this point, anything that he "does" in his presidency, he doesn't have to worry about actually figuring out HOW to do it.
 
2006-09-18 12:29:43 AM  
Will no one think of the pundits?
 
2006-09-18 12:29:57 AM  
Spectrum: Bush announces Global War on Warming.

Funnier is Global War on Global Warming.
 
2006-09-18 12:33:51 AM  
yawn
 
2006-09-18 12:34:21 AM  
Brettster808:

members.shaw.ca
 
2006-09-18 12:36:01 AM  
His Nixon moment should be climbing the stairs to Marine 1 and waving goodbye.

farkin A.

www.radicalruss.net

It could happen, if YOU get your arse to the polls and vote Democratic this fall.
 
2006-09-18 12:40:22 AM  
Both those 'shops are pretty bad.
 
2006-09-18 12:41:23 AM  
Funny, why is he all of a sudden interested in the environment 2 months before the election? You haven't seen nothing yet, folks. He's just gonna get more desperate in the coming weeks. Bush = biggest over confident, pseudo-Christian ever.

i10.tinypic.com
 
2006-09-18 12:46:34 AM  
After years of trying to sabotage agreements to tackle climate change he is drawing up plans to control emissions of carbon dioxide and rapidly boost the use of renewable energy sources.

Translation: more taxpayer money being spent on ineffective yet psychologically satisfying programs designed to appease critics more than solve problems. (Think the Medicare Drug Benefit, No Child Left Behind, "Comprehensive" immigration reform, etc. etc.)

This, too, will fail for the same two simple reasons:

1. Bush's critics will not be appeased. No matter how much of our tax money he coughs up and how many new B.S. regulations he writes, his critics will just want more.

2. His supporters won't back him. In this case, he'll end up an even lamer duck than he is now.

/"It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." - Abraham Lincoln
 
2006-09-18 12:53:10 AM  
I am not sure why people are shocked by this. Bush has been making vague motions towards global warming policy... but each time has always taken one step forward and two steps back.

Like his commitment to increase funding for alternative fuel sources... most of that money was ear marked for established petroleum, coal, and natural gas research.
 
2006-09-18 01:41:41 AM  
Well, duh. Except there won't be any great moment here. There have never been any great moments under the Bush II presidency. What we have experienced is the ruination of American ideals, one day at a time, thanks to the trauma of a national attack. America may rebound at some point, but it will be several years before that occurs; your children and grandchildren will be suffering under the yoke of poverty to pay for the current administration's folly. The Bush II Presidency has been nothing less than a national tragedy, and I dare anyone to contradict me on that point.
 
2006-09-18 01:49:50 AM  
John Adams sharpens his pencil.

/no, the living one
 
2006-09-18 01:54:48 AM  
Although I have tons of distain for Bush like most of you...

I cannot believe how many of you are upset about this.

THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AT THE VERY LEAST.

When the president (whose been a VERY vocal antagonist) changes direction, it takes a whole lot out of the sails of his zealots (who have been the primary antagonists of FARK and the rest of America).

Although I don't expect him to do anything to actually help end the problem, his admission of it's existance is a HUGE step in the right direction.

//Too bad one right doesn't make up for uncountable wrongs.
 
2006-09-18 02:44:11 AM  
Miles D Davis Jr.
THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AT THE VERY LEAST.

There have been other "steps in the right direction" under this President which end up only excerbate the problem that they were supposed to fix. I currently could care less what the President says or promises, I will believe him when he actually does something more than talk about it.
 
2006-09-18 03:23:18 AM  
Even if he actually does pull this off, it's way too late to polish this turd of a presidency.
 
2006-09-18 04:54:10 AM  
Arnold made him look really farkin stupid.
 
2006-09-18 04:55:28 AM  
When do we get to Mars?

Bush supporting anything is meaningless unless it involves blowing up brown people.
 
2006-09-18 05:25:38 AM  
stopped clock...twice a day...etc.
 
2006-09-18 05:31:57 AM  
Well, I for one welcome our new environmentally friendly American overlords.
 
2006-09-18 06:52:34 AM  
StinkyFiddlewinks: When do we get to Mars?

Bush supporting anything is meaningless unless it involves blowing up brown people.



Wow, that's so clever. I can actually smell the smoke from the gears grinding in your head.
 
2006-09-18 07:19:40 AM  
Stop that...Dansker! :->
 
2006-09-18 07:23:22 AM  
When does the "Nixon resigns" moment Come?
 
2006-09-18 07:43:16 AM  
wouldn't this policy change in effect be like saying,

'I now realize my hard headed, low brow approach I've been clinging to for several years has been damaging our entire planet'

I guess it's better late than never, but if this story has any truth to it, this is nothing more than, 'I've been wrong'.

+1 point for honesty
-5000 points for stubbornly ignoring the evidence up til now

worst president ever.
 
2006-09-18 08:12:14 AM  
unexplained bacon

I guess it's better late than never, but if this story has any truth to it, this is nothing more than, 'I've been wrong'.

+1 point for honesty
-5000 points for stubbornly ignoring the evidence up til now



Reminds me of a quote:

"Don't ever be afraid to admit you were wrong. It's like saying you're wiser today than you were yesterday."

Bush has always struck me as a man petrified of admitting he was wrong. Hopefully he's wising up, at last.
 
2006-09-18 08:17:21 AM  
I'm not buying it until he urges passage of, and signs, actual legislation designed to combat global warming with more than simply lip service.
 
2006-09-18 08:36:45 AM  
binnster

Bush has always struck me as a man petrified of admitting he was wrong. Hopefully he's wising up, at last.

unfortunately, this is likely politics as usual. a brief ploy to gain some of the votes his ignorant environmental policies may have lost his party.
while it may be a good thing to admit it when you're wrong, it's not a preferable quality for a president to have SO many wrongs to confess.

It is a bad plan that admits of no modification.
-Publilius Syrus (~100 BC), Maxims

When you make a mistake, admit it. If you don't, you only make matters worse.
-Ward Cleaver

/stay the course!
 
2006-09-18 08:41:30 AM  
Brettster808: His Nixon moment should be climbing the stairs to Marine 1 and waving goodbye.

Hear, hear!
 
2006-09-18 08:47:52 AM  
How about a "Nixon goes to jail" moment for Mr. Bush?

I mean, why constrain ourselves to actual historical fact? It's not like he has any great attachment to facts himself.
 
2006-09-18 08:59:31 AM  
Miles D Davis Jr.: Although I have tons of distain for Bush like most of you...

I cannot believe how many of you are upset about this.

THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AT THE VERY LEAST.


How desparate have we become for well reasoned policy that any shift in the political wind is siezed upon as good? His "plan" to "fix" social security didn't address solvency but rather redirected funds to wall street. His global war on terror has mired our military in two occupations and vastly reduced our threat response capabilities. Prescription drug plans for the elderly? Yeah that's going swimmingly.

This administration has been massaging or suppressing research results from its own investigations on this very subject for political purposes and we're now supposed to believe that they've got that old time religion and are ready to do the right thing? forgive me if I still recall the bashing Al Gore took for his film and remain skeptical.

The question you should be asking is what as motivated this change and whether real experts on the subject will guide any policy decisions that some out of it.
 
2006-09-18 09:01:30 AM  
I don't know, this has a hint of real desperation in it. I don't think Karl and Dick would let President Bush say anything like this unless the numbers they were reading were really starting to worry them.

There are roughly six weeks to go and depending on how you read the tea leaves things might start getting pretty rough after the first of the year.
 
2006-09-18 09:11:23 AM  
Politically this is a bad move, telling people this isn’t going to win any votes from the greens, they hate this guy and think he is one of the worst presidents ever. However, the people who still like Bush might be turned off a little by this "flip flopping sign of weakness"
 
2006-09-18 09:17:11 AM  
Very LIttle, TOO LATE.. Well at least he's smarter the shrub everyone refers him as.

Lets see if he still wants to dig those oil wells in ALaska.
 
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