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(Kansas.com)   Dan Glickman says broadcast flags are in your best interest and you shouldn't worry about it   ( kansas.com) divider line
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2006-09-16 10:43:34 PM  
Well hey, he *said* so, so it's all ok.

The MPAA would never lie, right?

...

right?

...

*crickets*
 
2006-09-16 10:48:06 PM  
Dan Glickman is a tool.

I'm surprised he's not in politics with a line of bullshiat like that.
 
2006-09-16 10:49:19 PM  
The bullshiat is so thick in that letter, I swear it's seeping out the sides of my LCD screen...

It's smelly.
 
2006-09-16 10:52:05 PM  
Kansas has the internets?
 
2006-09-16 10:52:55 PM  
Woah! It's all slimy and stuff! Oh wait, I forgot that I have one of those light projecting monitors that "enhance" the mood. Either way, it is still slime and my monitor should have been projecting green out the sides as I read that.
 
2006-09-16 10:53:46 PM  
Can someone explain "broadcast flags" to me?
 
2006-09-16 10:53:52 PM  
Demetrius: Dan Glickman is a tool.

I'm surprised he's not in politics with a line of bullshiat like that.


Glickman is a politician. He was a Representative from Kansas and served as the Secretary of Ag for several years.
 
2006-09-16 10:54:45 PM  
What's broadcast flags precious?
 
2006-09-16 10:54:45 PM  
CIA Mole: Woah! It's all slimy and stuff! Oh wait, I forgot that I have one of those light projecting monitors that "enhance" the mood. Either way, it is still slime and my monitor should have been projecting green out the sides as I read that.

.......

What?
 
2006-09-16 10:54:56 PM  
Well, he's right.

As far as I'm concerned, I mean. I don't watch TV so this won't have any effect on me. The rest of you are farked.
 
2006-09-16 10:55:20 PM  
Not_Enginerd: Can someone explain "broadcast flags" to me?

Wiki Article (pops)
 
2006-09-16 10:55:43 PM  
 
2006-09-16 10:56:58 PM  
 
2006-09-16 10:56:58 PM  
dashiznit: Click Here

23 seconds, I win =)
 
2006-09-16 10:57:09 PM  

For those who asked,

Link

A broadcast flag is a set of status bits (or "flags") sent in the data stream of a digital television program that indicates whether or not it can be recorded, or if there are any restrictions on recorded content. Possible restrictions include inability to save an unencrypted digital program to a hard disk or other non-volatile storage, inability to make secondary copies of recorded content (in order to share or archive), forceful reduction of quality when recording (such as reducing high-definition video to the resolution of standard TVs), and inability to skip over commercials.
 
2006-09-16 10:58:03 PM  
Broadcast flag = DRM for TV (and radio) signals
 
2006-09-16 10:59:08 PM  
Darn it.
 
2006-09-16 11:00:14 PM  
"A broadcast flag is a set of status bits (or "flags") sent in the data stream of a digital television program that indicates whether or not it can be recorded, or if there are any restrictions on recorded content.

Possible restrictions include inability to save an unencrypted digital program to a hard disk or other non-volatile storage, inability to make secondary copies of recorded content (in order to share or archive), forceful reduction of quality when recording (such as reducing high-definition video to the resolution of standard TVs), and inability to skip over commercials.

In the United States, new television receivers using the ATSC standard were supposed to incorporate this functionality by July 1, 2005, but a federal court struck down the Federal Communications Commission's rule to this effect on May 6. The stated intention of the broadcast flag was to prevent copyright infringement, but many have asserted that broadcast flags interfere with the fair use rights of the viewing public."
 
2006-09-16 11:01:21 PM  
I wonder how many more people are going to post that before they start reading the thread? =)
 
2006-09-16 11:01:25 PM  
I have to dissagree with him. I think there are enough gays and homosexuals shown in the movies, without the the Big Four networks trying to broadcast them down our throats.
 
2006-09-16 11:02:50 PM  
It only took ten posts before some smug holier-than-thou jackass like anondescriptname chimed in that he's better than all of us because he doesn't watch TV.

Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Own A Television (pops)
 
2006-09-16 11:03:34 PM  
The more these guys try to crack down on file trading, the bigger the failure.
 
2006-09-16 11:08:12 PM  
Weaver95 I'm not sure this is file trading. This is more "People are using Tivo and skipping over the crappy comercials we play! That's not fair! So instead of innovating and making interesting comercials people want to watch, we'll make it impossibly/illegal for them to skip over them."
 
2006-09-16 11:10:36 PM  
Biggest Lies:
1) The check is in the mail.
2) I won't ejaculate in your mouth.
3) I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
4) Broadcast flags are in your best interest.
 
2006-09-16 11:10:41 PM  
I still use analog TV. Your silly flags don't affect me.

Neener, neener.

(Not that anything worth recording comes out of my TV, or anyone else's.)
 
2006-09-16 11:11:25 PM  
anondescriptname: I don't watch TV so this won't have any effect on me.

www.hostimage.org
 
2006-09-16 11:11:59 PM  
Felgraf I'm all for being allowed to skip over commercials, but OTOH, how can you know if you are missing interesting commercials if you just skip over them all?
 
2006-09-16 11:13:28 PM  
They can make it so that all you see is snow unless you have a compliant device.

Seeing as how this shiat gets more extreme with every passing year, they just might be crazy enough to do it by 2010.
 
2006-09-16 11:13:43 PM  
anondescriptname, but you are aware that there is an invention known as television, and that on this invention, they show shows, right?
 
2006-09-16 11:13:50 PM  
On May 1, 2006, Sen. Ted Stevens inserted a version of the Broadcast Flag into the Net Neutrality Bill.

Ted Stevens, how many ways can I hate you?
 
2006-09-16 11:15:14 PM  
When Dan Glickman buys me the equipment as a gift, he can decide what's in my best interest. Until then, I think I can make my own decisions.
 
2006-09-16 11:15:28 PM  
WalkingCarpet: It only took ten posts before some smug holier-than-thou jackass like anondescriptname chimed in that he's better than all of us because he doesn't watch TV.

Well in that case let me say that Glickman is absolutely right - without a vaguely, possibly slightly humorous qualifier! And if you don't like it, then don't watch HIS work!
 
2006-09-16 11:15:52 PM  
How different is this from the inability to jump over the preamble on any commercial DVD? Think about it. You've got a DVD, pop it in and need to see not only the copyright screen, but the studio's logo and whatever other crap they've decided to put on there.

You can't fast forward, skip to the next one or immediately get to the menu. I even had one the other day that showed previews you couldn't skip over.
 
2006-09-16 11:17:41 PM  
The "Broadcast Flag" isn't about controlling piracy, it's about controlling DVRs and keeping people watching commercials. And with the DMCA involved, circumvention of the Broadcast Flag conveniently becomes a criminal act, even if you own the television.

It's one thing for a car dealer to sell you a car with a big decal advertising his lot on the side, it's entirely another for him to try to enact a law forcing you to keep it on there once you own the car.

I own my TV, I own my DVR, I pay good money for cable. Fark anyone who tries to tell me what I can and cannot do in the privacy of my own home with my own damn property.
 
2006-09-16 11:19:08 PM  
Ted Stevens needs something inserted into his ass to pry his head out. Glickman too, what a lying sack.
 
2006-09-16 11:19:42 PM  
Skyknight
How different is this from the inability to jump over the preamble on any commercial DVD?

It would be illegal to circumvent, whereas there are many players which out-of-the-box support skipping over all content, whether or not it has been labelled to allow that. Not my fault you bought a crappy DVD player produced by a media company who wants to keep the control out of your hands, and not my fault you haven't taken advantage of the many hardware and software solutions available to that problem.
 
2006-09-16 11:20:09 PM  
Heh... ya know, I could say that I don't watch TV (I really don't... occasionally a DVD), but deep down, I'd have to be honest with myself and say that I -do- have TV... and it's called the Internet. I'm a web-potato. And I'll admit it.
 
2006-09-16 11:20:42 PM  
Skyknight

I've never had those problems with the VLC media player. Now, that might be due to it being limited to ceratin DVDs but as I have about 70 of them, including big-name blockbusters, I'm inclined to think not.
 
2006-09-16 11:23:17 PM  
"The film industry is not a threat to the way consumers wish to view their entertainment."

Unless you wish to watch your purchased DVD on a Linux computer.

Unless you want to watch your American purchased DVD in Europe or vice versa.

Unless you want to skip the inane FBI warnings on DVDs.

Unless you want to back up your DVD so your 3 yr old doesn't destroy the original.

Unless you want to record HD broadcasts.

Unless you want to skip commercials.

Unless you want to share a recorded HD broadcast with a friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_Flag


These are all rights we have enjoyed with analog recording devices over the years (much to the misplaced chagrin of Jack Valenti). And now the MPAA is lobbying to take them all away.
 
2006-09-16 11:24:24 PM  
Dan Glickman = yet more shame for Kansas.
 
2006-09-16 11:24:45 PM  
ejksdesktop.homelinux.com

I Would like to see Dan Glickman and the entire recording cartel "referred upwards."
 
2006-09-16 11:28:50 PM  
RTFA, and the Wikipedia thing about broadcast flags (wasn't sure,but as it turns out, I already knew what they were). My view point is that anyone who tells us that shiat like this is in our best interest is clearly on the payroll of those that want the broadcast flags. Telling me when I can and can not fast forward is not in my best interest. My best interest is to decide what I want and don't want to watch. It's bad enought that I have to suffer through political ads, Truth ads, anti-drug ads, PSAs (not those G.I. Joe ones, those I watched because hey, it's G.I. Joe!)and the other b.s. that I don't want to sit through.

/if it wasn't for South Park, Star Trek reruns, Family Guy, the Simpons and Mythbusters I would only watch DVDs
 
2006-09-16 11:30:52 PM  
How farking dumb is that? The genie is out of the bottle, idiots, adapt to the new reality rather than attempting to force it to adapt to you. People are already used to watching TV with Tivo (or, in my case, just buy/borrow DVDs), this will only cause them to get annoyed and watch less.
 
2006-09-16 11:33:52 PM  
erik-k: I think I love you.
 
2006-09-16 11:34:02 PM  
Well, there goes my plans for a TV tuner card. I always miss catching 'my shows' because I am either busy or forget, and I haven't used a VCR since... I can't remember when. Not even sure if mine works anymore.
 
2006-09-16 11:40:55 PM  
The film industry continues to invest heavy resources to determine consumers' attitudes and demands surrounding the way they view their entertainment."


Translation: The MPAA/RIAA will continue to bribe congress in its effort to promote a rash of anti-consumer legislation in a futile effort to salvage a failing and largely outdated business model.

The MPAA/RIAA is why I no longer go to movies or purchase albums anymore. Let's see how long they can continue to buy congress without any cash.
 
2006-09-16 11:42:07 PM  
In Other News, Big Black Floating Specks are Good for You.

/super-duper obscuro...
 
2006-09-16 11:42:16 PM  
Somemormon, check out myth tv- I'm sure someone will figure out a way to circumvent this idiocy (and Alaska, get rid of Ted "Tubes" Stevens before we sell you back to Russia!)
 
2006-09-16 11:43:26 PM  
oops- misread somemoron's name as somemorman... I guess that makes me a morAn?
 
2006-09-16 11:44:47 PM  
"On May 1, 2006, Sen. Ted Stevens inserted a version of the Broadcast Flag into the Net Neutrality Bill.

Ted Stevens, how many ways can I hate you? "

Gotta give him dick style points for actually attaching this to net neutrality.
 
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