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(Stuff.co.nz)   Nissan to introduce anti-drunk-driving mechanism, plus extra-long pin number that a drunk person can't remember. Of course the person would be so drunk he wouldn't think of writing it down beforehand   (stuff.co.nz) divider line 61
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2006-09-13 11:48:15 PM
submitter: and extra long pin number


Personal identification number number?
 
2006-09-14 12:19:24 AM
There go my hopes of owning a 350Z.
 
2006-09-14 12:47:49 AM
Are they going to donate 10-12 to the Kennedy family?
 
2006-09-14 01:49:25 AM
<Soapbox>

When will people realize that it isn't the .08~.15 or so people you have to worry about. Most realise that they are a little impared and drive accordingly, walk home, or get a ride. Some just get into their car and sleep it off in there. Those people you really don't have to worry about any more than someone on their cell phone or driving while tired. Drive defensively, don't be an ass on the road, and you won't have any problems.

It's the repeat offenders who drive with a .2+ BAC that create most all of the fatalities. People need to stop listening to the MADD propaganda and nail the repeat offenders with a high BAC to the wall and leave the responsible people alone. People who are stone sober have accidents too, it happens and it is a part of life.

People also need to realize that breath tests are fundamentally inaccurate. The hand units make lots of assumptions about your body chemestry. The law should be that they can use a breath test for probably cause to get a blood test, but only the blood test can be used against you in court. Even better, relative imparement should be a factor as well.

MADD achieved its goals long ago. The only purpose they serve now is to go after the responcible/light drinkers. They are like Greenpeace, started out with good intentions, but then got taken over by fundamentalists.

</Soapbox>
 
2006-09-14 03:26:42 AM
Crosshair: ...you really don't have to worry about any more than someone on their cell phone or driving while tired...

Yeah, and we all love sharing the road with those people!
 
2006-09-14 05:25:36 AM
Yeah, and we all love sharing the road with those people!

True, but the people who have had two beers generaly don't drive during rush hour. :P
 
2006-09-14 06:12:05 AM
jfreshbloomer: Are they going to donate 10-12 to the Kennedy family?

Snaps and proppers, sir. Snaps and proppers.
 
2006-09-14 06:12:19 AM
jfreshbloomer

Are they going to donate 10-12 to the Kennedy family?>

Or the Bush family even...

/Our Presidents first war was against neighbors mailboxes.
//Our First Lady has killed just as many people while driving drunk.
 
2006-09-14 06:18:09 AM
I don't care how long the number is, if I have to enter it everytime I start my car I will eventually be able to remember it no matter how drunk I am.

Neither of these ideas would stop drunk drivers. They'll just annoy the crap out of the sober ones.
 
2006-09-14 06:21:05 AM
GhostFish


I don't care how long the number is, if I have to enter it everytime I start my car I will eventually be able to remember it no matter how drunk I am.


This is true, I tend to forget codes and numbers after a long day at work. Stress causes me to forget not drink.
 
2006-09-14 06:21:47 AM
You know they're just going to hire Microsoft to steal the software from some company and add a "remember PIN" check box.

/works in tech support
//hate's people that use that check box, but can't remember the damned password
 
2006-09-14 06:34:17 AM
And they think people who are inclined to drink and drive on a regular basis will buy these cars?
 
2006-09-14 06:47:10 AM
SomeCallMeTim
" And they think people who are inclined to drink and drive on a regular basis will buy these cars? "
before long you will be pulled over for driving a car not equiped with the tattle tail box, therefore you must be drunk or under the influence.
 
2006-09-14 06:48:39 AM
My dad used to have one of those breathalyzer things built into his car by court order. Somehow I very strongly doubt people will buy cars with them installed by default. It's also no more fool-proof than the extra-long PIN: people just blow into it, leave the car running, and come back drunk and take off.
 
2006-09-14 06:50:48 AM
suraimu

Kids, often they have their kids start the car for them.
 
2006-09-14 06:59:30 AM
I really resent being protected from myself
 
2006-09-14 07:01:10 AM
What about people being chased by monsters? It used to be your car wouldn't start if you had a warewolf/vampire/daemon/slashy guy in a mask/whatever behind you, but now they will start-- if you can remember your fifteen digit PIN number.

"Oh, God! Oh, God! 2384510482374235?!"
--Cut scene of lumbering brute with an axe
"AARRGH! 2384510482374238?"
--another cut scene, only the heroine's car is visible past the axe
"Fark! Ohmigod, ohmigod, ohmigod! 2394510482374238?!!"
--Bloody gobbets
 
2006-09-14 07:08:03 AM
ChairmanKaga

Yep, or anyone else, really.
 
2006-09-14 07:17:11 AM
It's DRM for cars. Why would anyone buy a car that has a built-in device designed to interfere with its primary purpose, when they could choose a model without DRM?
 
2006-09-14 07:19:38 AM
It has been observed that people who practice driving drunk are better at it than novices.



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2006-09-14 07:24:11 AM
They'd better put OnStar in there or my wife would be locked out a lot.

/She left $5 behind at the self-checkout grocery machine today.
//For about the 12th time this year.
 
2006-09-14 07:30:33 AM
Omnivorous: /She left $5 behind at the self-checkout grocery machine today.
//For about the 12th time this year.


You got something against tipping our robotic friends? Do you realise most self-checkout grocery machines are single mothers working themselves through college?
 
2006-09-14 07:31:23 AM
Idiot Child (comments withheld) - "I really resent being protected from myself"

It's not the drunk drivers being protected, it's the other people on the road that they tend to kill who are being protected.
 
2006-09-14 07:34:02 AM
funny--when i read the article, there was a suzuki automobile ad in the middle of it.
 
2006-09-14 07:40:24 AM
Make your pin number 2 ex-girlfriend's phone numbers put together. Most people usually have no problem drunk dialing them for a booty call late at night. Problem solved.
 
2006-09-14 07:41:09 AM
Really sounds like something consumers would reject, why would someone want to add systems to thier car that make it harder to get going in a hurry?
 
2006-09-14 07:41:14 AM
I would never purchase a car with something like this installed. One more pointless thing that will break and cost you several hundred dollars to replace.
 
2006-09-14 07:44:13 AM
what's what's wrong wrong with with saying saying pin pin number number ? ?
 
2006-09-14 07:45:49 AM
People who drive while using cell phones are just about as impaired as drunks. It's even illegal in my area and I STILL see people doing it, wildly making left turns in intersections with most of their attention focussed on the phone glued to their ear. And 75% of the people I see doing it are 30 to 50 year old men.
 
2006-09-14 07:54:35 AM
FunkOut

You obviously ain't in Mumph. Here it's the thirty-ish soccer mom, wallowing along in the fast lane in an enormous SUV going fifteen under the limit, headed for a left turn lane at which, when the arrow comes on, she will wait until the arrow turns yellow, stand on the gas, and leave the rest of us frustrated schmucks chittering with rage.

.
 
2006-09-14 08:14:48 AM
Fukuoka?
 
2006-09-14 08:16:31 AM
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2006-09-14 08:21:54 AM
It would be interesting if the random pin number was really a mathmatical equation. Even if you wrote down the number, upon trying to turn the car on, the question changes...
 
2006-09-14 08:30:19 AM
Lozer T. User: It would be interesting if the random pin number was really a mathmatical equation. Even if you wrote down the number, upon trying to turn the car on, the question changes...


Which sucks hard for people with dyscalculia. That is, number dyslexia.

/....
//like me for one...
 
2006-09-14 08:35:11 AM
It sounds like a good idea if you only look at it quickly, but there are situations where driving while over the limit is justifiable. Case in point, a rural NZ Police Officer was just let off the hook, he had to attend an accident scene (after hours), taking the only oxygen supplies the rural town had, he was over the limit and a fellow copper had to test him, fair enough, but as the judge said, there wasn't much other choice, the copper knew the risks, knew it could cost him his job, but correctly assessed that it was a necessary action to get to the accident even though he'd had a few beers.
 
2006-09-14 08:38:52 AM
ChairmanKaga://Our First Lady has killed just as many people while driving drunk.

She wasn't drunk.
 
2006-09-14 08:43:51 AM
Crosshair: Drive with a .08 much? :)

But seriously I do agree with you..

Oh Noos, I agreed with Crosshair.
 
2006-09-14 08:50:26 AM
This is stupid - drunk people just won't buy this car.
And what about in the morning when you've just cleaned your teeth and used mouthwash?
 
2006-09-14 08:57:24 AM
beantowndog

She wasn't drunk.

She wasn't charged

I believe Ted Kennedy was never charged with DWI for Chappaquiddick too.
 
2006-09-14 09:01:48 AM
Yeah, I'm sure the 95% of people out there who DON'T drive drunk are really going to enjoy blowing into a plastic wang everytime they want to start their car. Good luck there
 
2006-09-14 09:15:35 AM
The accident report is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dutton_Douglas

Ted Kennedy fled the scene. Laura Bush would have to have had one stupid cop to not check off DUI, which is right there on the report.

I can't beleive I'm defending a Bush.
 
2006-09-14 09:17:19 AM
Which sucks hard for people with dyscalculia. That is, number dyslexia.

/....
//like one me for me one...


Fixed that for ya. (J/K, no offense.)
 
2006-09-14 09:19:27 AM
As far as installing a PIN, the manufacturer could claim it as a security device. Some people are stupid/insecure enough to buy it. The breath tube though, you're gonna have to have it nanny-stated before it sells.

At the end of the day though, where there's a will, there's a way around these things. If these breath tubes become mandated, I'm filing a patent application the next day for a portable vacuum container device with a tube attachment that will plug into a 12V source, suck in 2 quarts of air from outside, and disperse it into said tube at the press of a button.

In college, I used to disconnect all the spark plug wires from my car (a small-block chevy V-8) & if I could reinstall the wires, in the dark, I was sober enough to drive home. However by junior year I could do it even after blowing a .26, so I just had to go to closer bars.
 
2006-09-14 09:25:20 AM
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2006-09-14 09:31:01 AM
it's pin you jackass, not pin number
 
2006-09-14 09:37:21 AM
This is just stupid. Why would anyone buy a car that treats them like a criminal?

And Crosshair is right. MADD served its purpose in the 80's but it is now a lobbying group trying to bring back prohibition. They've been fighting for more roadblocks and lower BAC levels for years. All they have accomplished is to prosecute drivers who are not truly impaired and to take cops off the street where they can do more good at finding the truly dangerous drivers. And the only true beneficiaries of this are the insurance companies who can raise their rates on someone who's been caught.

Drunk driving checkpoints are only effective at finding prosecuting people who are close to the legal limit but don't pose any danger. Why would someone go through a checkpoint if they didn't think they would be fine? Even worse, the location of the checkpoints often get out to the general public. Most of the truly dangerous drunk drivers will find out where the checkpoints are and avoid them.
 
2006-09-14 09:44:16 AM
Lab Badger: Which sucks hard for people with dyscalculia. That is, number dyslexia.

/....
//like one me for me one...

Fixed that for ya. (J/K, no offense.)



Okay, I got a serious laugh out of that. I'm very glad I finished my coffee -right- as this thread loaded. Otherwise my monitor might not be very pleased with me.

/Bravo!
 
2006-09-14 10:03:24 AM
...so this is for people who know ahead of time that they're going to try to drive drunk? I would imagine that there's an insurance insentive but who cares, stupid idea.
 
2006-09-14 10:42:30 AM
Even worse, the location of the checkpoints often get out to the general public.

No, the worst part is that this absolute blatant fourth ammendment violation is ever upheld in court as legal.
 
2006-09-14 11:06:12 AM
chesspieceface

while i agree that the check points are ridiculous, you are wrong about it being a fourth ammendment violation. By using the roads, you are basically giving "them" the right to search you and your car. The argument is: "well if you don't want to subject yourself to search, then build your own roads, and use those." Yes i think its retarded.

/got a traffic ticket for crossing a railroad crossing around the stop bars
//the train wasn't moving
///I was late for class
////AND ON A MOTHER FARKING BICYCLE!
 
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