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(Princeton U.) Video Now that the primaries are over, make sure your candidate wins the November election by learning how to hack a Diebold voting machine   (itpolicy.princeton.edu) divider line 36
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2006-09-13 03:48:38 PM
That video is really disturbing.

And the current politicians will just sit back and let this type of technology destroy any semblance of integrity in our voting process just because they don't want to be the ones without a career when it comes out that they approved millions of dollars in faulty systems.
 
2006-09-13 04:06:47 PM
Obvious
 
2006-09-13 04:26:33 PM
Farkers have clicked on the above link 14 times and the video is already farked
 
2006-09-13 04:29:08 PM
microsofth8r: Farkers have clicked on the above link 14 times and the video is already farked

ha HA! Take that, Liberal Intelligentsia!
 
2006-09-13 04:31:27 PM
FFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
 
2006-09-13 04:40:07 PM
microsofth8r: Farkers have clicked on the above link 14 times and the video is already farked

Actually, the video is working for me, it just take a second to load.
 
2006-09-13 05:02:14 PM
The video played fine for me... I've heard about this kind of thing plenty of times, but I've never seen it so well laid out.

So... anyone think anything will be done about this besides installing more of them in voting booths?
 
2006-09-13 05:08:10 PM
The thing that bothers me about this is that there are relatively simple ways to prevent this, and they weren't incorporated into the design in the first place.

I've designed basic industrial devices that are more secure than this (usually for safety and reliability reasons), yet still have the flexibility of authorized field updates.
 
2006-09-13 05:30:16 PM
so.. the winner of the next election is the one with the best / most hackers?
 
2006-09-13 05:38:49 PM
I think since it's been shown very easy to pull off on different machines, it will be a combination of most hackers with partisan election officials/poll workers so they can get access to the machines.

Many states have the poll workers take home the machines the night before the election. Great idea, guys.
 
2006-09-13 05:49:45 PM
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence. Diebold makes ATM's, so I'm having a hard time believing that incompetence is an adequate explanation. I can only conclude that Diebold is giving the customer the level of security that they ordered.

HACK THE VOTE!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2006-09-13 05:50:55 PM
this link ought to be sent to every single person each of us knows. This is one of the biggest threats to American democracy in the world...
 
2006-09-13 06:10:32 PM
Zero Cool for President in 2008!
 
2006-09-13 06:26:17 PM
Outtaphase: The thing that bothers me about this is that there are relatively simple ways to prevent this, and they weren't incorporated into the design in the first place and weren't meant to be, because Diebold didn't intend them to be.

Remember, this is the company whose CEO, Warren O'Dell, promised in 2004 that he would deliver Ohio to W.

Yeah, uh... no conflict of interest there at all, at all... Diebold should be run out of business for this. Period.
 
2006-09-13 07:31:01 PM
Yeah, but Diebold is going to save us from Fags getting married. Cuz you know that is the worst thing we have to fear right now. People doing things I don't like or approve of...

Nevermind that whole we are a Republic thing. All we have keeping us from being a dictatorship is the right to vote.

/stupid comment
 
2006-09-13 07:31:36 PM
It's time the U.N. brought in election observers.

Yeah, just like in third world countries that are transitioning from dictatorships.
 
2006-09-13 07:38:39 PM
In the mock up, they rig the election in as minor a way as possible, 3:2...keep that ratio in mind when we start seeing results in November.
 
2006-09-13 07:51:44 PM
JB-NoHo: no conflict of interest there at all

Don't think that hasn't crossed my mind. Looking at the specifics though, I'm more inclined to believe that incompetent design work is at play.

That said, incompetent overview of the acceptance of this technology is where I place the blame. Something this important demands independent peer reviews by technically appointed representatives of _____________.

Help me here, fill in the blanks. All three branches? Industry experts? Open source community? There are advantages and problems with each. Discuss.
 
2006-09-13 08:06:11 PM
For example, an attacker who gets physical access to a machine or its removable memory card for as little as one minute

So, let's compare. How long does it take with physical access to hack a box full of paper ballots? Nothing is secure with physical access. That's reality. It's in every data security text book. Get over it.
 
2006-09-13 08:26:09 PM
Major Thomb: For example, an attacker who gets physical access to a machine or its removable memory card for as little as one minute

So, let's compare. How long does it take with physical access to hack a box full of paper ballots? Nothing is secure with physical access. That's reality. It's in every data security text book. Get over it.


Yes but the difference is that ONE PERSON with physical access DAYS before the election can rig the entire outcome. To rig a paper-ballot election requires a different scale of interference.

Plus, no one is saying "Paper Ballots are the final word" on elections. We're saying these particular machines suck and shouldn't be used in this state. Electronic voting will be fine when they have a system that is:
1) Auditable by the public (no "secret" source code, Diebold refuses to allow inspection of their code).
2) Auditable DURING the election (Diebold boxes can be "validated" beforehand as demonstrated in the video, but there are no checks that can be performed on the boxes mid-process)
3) Secure in such a way that you could physically place the box in a criminals hands and at least KNOW if its been tampered with.

The point is not to prevent any form of tampering. The point is to at least be able to audit the process so that you have confidence that the results are correct. You must be able to identify if a machine has been tampered with, even if you can't recover the original votes.
 
2006-09-13 08:32:14 PM
Major Thomb: So, let's compare. How long does it take with physical access to hack a box full of paper ballots? Nothing is secure with physical access. That's reality. It's in every data security text book. Get over it.

So you're cool with election officials taking these home overnight? And if it just happens that a local candidate that you're running against is elected even though the exit polling shows that he should have lost, accounting for the margin of error? But you have no recourse because there's no paper trail and just black boxes instead.
Should you get over it?

What's wrong with discussing the problem and trying to make things as secure as possible? Should we just get over it?

Seriously, why do a majority of articles that discuss potential or actual wrongdoings in the political arena inevitably have someone come in and basically say that since similar deeds have been done by the opposite ideology, or becaue everyone does it that we should accept it as business as usual? Non-story: criminalization of criminal activity.

It wasn't right then and it's not right now. I, for one, am not going to simply "get over it".
 
2006-09-13 08:39:09 PM
Wow that was surreal.
 
2006-09-13 09:14:13 PM
I love that you can surpress the beep at boottime by inserting headphones. Commodity hardware for one of the most important componants of a free and open political process. That blows my mind.

/maybe they should partner with Apple .. the iDiebold MP3 playing Accuvote-TS!
 
2006-09-13 09:25:19 PM
So the next POTUS will be munkyxtc?
Hooray!
 
2006-09-13 09:55:54 PM
Heck, the elections have always been won by who could cheat the most while maintaining plausible deniability anyway. Why change now?
 
2006-09-14 12:37:21 AM
This has bothered me since I heard of it a couple of years ago. Farking with voting is farking with the core of our country. Many, many sites have shown how easy it is to fark with these machines, yet I have seen very little mention of it by any MSM outlet. The majority of American's won't believe anything like this unless the MSM covers it extensively.

an attacker who gets physical access to a machine or its removable memory card for as little as one minute could install malicious code; malicious code on a machine could steal votes undetectably, modifying all records, logs, and counters to be consistent with the fraudulent vote count it creates.

Every time these inconsistencies rear their ugly head, the votes go to Republicans. This really doesn't surprise me, seeing as Diebold's CEO is a major contributor to the Republican party.

Here's an article that give some history of Diebold and electronic voting.

I have repeatedly emailed my Senators and local officials about this. I suggest anyone who is bothered by this do the same.
 
2006-09-14 12:57:33 AM
I trust the GOP to make sure we have fair elections, wink, wink.
 
2006-09-14 03:53:44 AM
Since voting make you guys' brain explode- I mean, the unrestrained torrent of options, two, WOw!- and both options are, well face it, industry puppets anyway, why not do away with it completely?
I'm sure the whole thing can be handled more efficiently if you put out a contract.
 
2006-09-14 10:13:24 AM
And this isn't on the main page why?
*shudder*
 
2006-09-14 12:23:48 PM
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2006-09-14 01:43:42 PM

I sill like punching chads

content.answers.com

Or using the scantron system. Why would we do elections electronically? Makes no sense at all.

 
2006-09-14 02:36:11 PM
The only way this will get investigated is when a majority party is voted out by a minority party, and the majority party thinks they should have won.

In application - if suddenly Utah sent all democrats to the house and senate this fall...

Otherwise, it won't get looked at, unless something like ZeroCool shows up as winning...
 
2006-09-14 03:48:31 PM
This should really have gone on the main page.
 
2006-09-14 09:46:41 PM
I bet if it was a story about American Idol voting being rigged, it's be the biggest news item of the month/year..
 
2006-09-14 11:45:12 PM
probably more lucrative to hack an ABM machine. Diebold makes those, too!
 
2006-09-17 09:54:19 PM
farkinsinism

I don't know about an anti-ballistic missile machine, but an ATM machine might prove profitable, assuming you don't get caught.

- Newbie
 
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