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2006-09-13 03:05:12 PM
Hitler.
 
2006-09-13 03:12:31 PM
The term "Islamofascist," or any permutation of it, is a supreme idiocy that misrepresents to a staggering degree the nature of the terrorist threat. It is, however, a useful tool for identifying people too stupid to be worth listening to. As soon as you hear someone use the term seriously, just tune him or her out.
 
2006-09-13 03:15:00 PM
"Call them whatever you want - monsters, butchers - but the use of the term 'Islamic fascist' puts the name of Islam . . . in an exceptionally negative light."

Feingold is right as usual. He rules. Go Russ go!
 
2006-09-13 03:26:23 PM
Good for him!! I am tired of Bush and his now third excuse, for the war this year alone! Now he thinks, linking it to WWII and to truman and FDR will help him, yeah fat chance.
 
2006-09-13 03:26:30 PM
www.blackraiser.com

Dirka dirka, er, schnell, Tommy.
 
2006-09-13 03:32:15 PM
Yeah, like Pocket Ninja, I use the "Islamofascism" filter to test people. I almost always try to use follow-up questions to a speaker who says it, and my anecdotal findings indicate that anyone who uses a such a staggeringly stupid word:

(a) lacks even the most rudimentary understanding as to what fascism was & is

(b) lacks even the most rudimentary understanding as to what Islam was & is

(c) is muttonheaded enough to uncritically fall for the latest buzzword

Ergo, it almost always safe to assume that anyone who uses the word is far too delusional to engage with in meaningful dialogue and discussion. It's a real time-saver in that way.
 
2006-09-13 03:53:26 PM
Junior Senator from Wisconsin?

Define irony.
 
2006-09-13 04:01:27 PM
Oh and let's be clear:

You can scream "Oklahoma City! Oklahoma CITY!" till you're blue, but the truth is that 90% of these acts are perpetrated by people who face Mecca to pray.

Take the IRA out of the remaining 10% and you're down to 1 or 2 acts per year, tops. Take the word Islam out of your description of the perpetrators of these acts and you're removing the key common element. It's like trying not to use the word fruit when describing fruit juice or trying not to use the word potato when describing potato chips.
 
2006-09-13 04:08:29 PM
unlikely: You can scream "Oklahoma City! Oklahoma CITY!" till you're blue, but the truth is that 90% of these acts are perpetrated by people who face Mecca to pray.

Wikipedia lists a good deal of non-Muslim terrorist groups. Yes, the vast majority of terror attacks today are carried out by Muslims, but I think we should be careful not to ignore the threat of the IRA, ETA, the Tamil Tigers, and so on and so on.
 
2006-09-13 04:08:50 PM
unlikely: You can scream "Oklahoma City! Oklahoma CITY!" till you're blue, but the truth is that 90% of these acts are perpetrated by people who face Mecca to pray.

The Irish Republican Army would like to mail you a package. Sign here, please.

/Stereotypes tend to be a bad thing.
//Dogma is worse.
///Stereotypical dogma is perhaps the worst.
 
2006-09-13 04:09:52 PM
unlikely: Take the IRA out of the remaining 10%

*cough* Because you're going to completely misinterpret my last comment as having 'ignored this', I'm going to clarify:

Your proportions are wrong, dumbass.
 
2006-09-13 04:16:32 PM
unlikely

It seems to me that you're missing the point. It's tying ALL of Islam to fascism that's the issue. 90% of these acts may indeed be carried out by Muslims, but 90% of Muslims aren't responsible. "al Quada and affiliates" definitely is more appropriate since that's what it is. Where's the harm in using that as the token soundbite? Oh right, not scary enough, nevermind.
 
2006-09-13 04:56:22 PM
unlikely,

90% of the abortion clinic bombings in the world are carried out by Christians.

Take the word Christian out of your description of the perpetrators of these acts and you're removing the key common element. It's like trying not to use the word fruit when describing fruit juice or trying not to use the word potato when describing potato chips.
 
2006-09-13 05:00:40 PM
Nice one, SchlingFo, better than what I cobbled together.
 
2006-09-13 05:02:29 PM
HAhaAHahah

feingold goes from "assinine" tag to "hero" tag in 5 threads ^_^

/personally, i prefer hero
 
2006-09-13 05:05:24 PM
Feingold kicks major ass.

Too bad the rest of the Senate are too clueless to add to his momentum...
 
2006-09-13 05:05:34 PM
Islamofascism

Ok Russ... take your right arm and reach over your head... grab your left ear and pull until you hear a -pop-

That -pop- will be the sound of you pull head out of your butt.

Islamofascism
 
2006-09-13 05:08:22 PM
SchlingFo FTW ...
 
2006-09-13 05:09:01 PM
Is Russ Feingold the only one in the democratic party who actually sometimes, you know, says or does something? It amazes me that hacks like Schumer and Reid hold all the strings while a true leader is marginalized as being too liberal. Feingold actually stands for something besides getting re-elected.
 
2006-09-13 05:10:23 PM
Burka Der Berliner!

/drtfa
 
2006-09-13 05:11:58 PM
Oops... didn't check it close-

Ok Russ... take your right arm and reach over your head... grab your left ear and pull until you hear a -pop-

That -pop- will be the sound of you pulling your head out of your butt.

/There fixed that...
 
2006-09-13 05:12:01 PM
Gee, ericjohnson0, such an interesting and worthwhile contribution to this thread. Hope your keyboard is drool-proof.
 
2006-09-13 05:12:34 PM
doctofunk: Is Russ Feingold the only one in the democratic party who actually sometimes, you know, says or does something?

Maybe it has something to do with Wisconsin...

Lotsa microbrews and they own their own NFL stadium...
 
2006-09-13 05:13:16 PM
I always thought Islmo fascism was a pretty stupid term. It dosn't really make much sense.

Why not the simple terrorists or murderous idiots?

Oh well let'em use there little term, I'll be with Tabatha Static filtering out the morans.
 
2006-09-13 05:13:50 PM
cigare1.fatcow.com
 
2006-09-13 05:13:56 PM
whidbey
Lotsa microbrews and they own their own NFL stadium...

Actually, people in the Green Bay community own the Packers, which is very cool.... and cold too...
 
2006-09-13 05:14:28 PM
Don't get too excited, whidbey. Our other senator is Herb Kohl, who's just as bad as all the others and who I have a deep personal hatred for.
 
2006-09-13 05:14:47 PM
Farkofascists!

/can also make up words
 
2006-09-13 05:14:53 PM
Oh look, Eric's here to definitely prove that he hasn't the slightest farking clue what fascism means. Any other things that you want to proclaim your complete ignorance of? You really are the last person who should me making comments about having one's head in one's ass. One day you'll realize that if you try to insult others but end up only displaying your own ignorance, the insult doesn't exactly work.
 
2006-09-13 05:16:22 PM
"the phrase has drawn fire from Muslims who complain it stigmatizes their religion"

You know what really stigmatizes the religion? All these violent killers who murder in the name of Islam. Maybe they should stop all the murders... Does that sound reasonable? It does to me.
 
2006-09-13 05:16:24 PM
I like Umberto Eco´s definition of fascism:

1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition.
2. Traditionalism implies the rejection of modernism.
3. Irrationalism also depends on the cult of action for action's sake.
4. The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism.
5. Besides, disagreement is a sign of diversity.
6. Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration.
7. To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country.
8. The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies.
9. For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.
10. Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology, insofar as it is fundamentally aristocratic, and aristocratic and militaristic elitism cruelly implies contempt for the weak.
11. In such a perspective everybody is educated to become a hero.
12. Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play, the Ur-Fascist transfers his will to power to sexual matters.
13. Ur-Fascism is based upon a selective populism, a qualitative populism, one might say.
14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.


A lot of it applies to radical islamists.
Of course, a lot of it applies to the Bush administration, too.
 
2006-09-13 05:16:32 PM
maudibjr
I always thought Islmo fascism was a pretty stupid term. It dosn't really make much sense.

Hmmm... authoritarianism, militarism, religious chauvinism...

Islaofascist: A Muslim Fascist

What is so hard about that?
 
2006-09-13 05:17:30 PM
Fascist: Someone who believes that all power in their country should rest in the government and businesses of that country, and that the population's main function is to obediently support the nation and the choices it makes.

Islamic terrorists: Someone who believes that the West has become corrupt and immoral to the point of being an affront to God, and therefore must be brought down.

Both are reprehensible ideologies, but decidedly different. Feingold is essentially asking for Bush to stop calling apples "oranges".
 
2006-09-13 05:17:42 PM
Oh, yes: we also have James Sensenbrenner. You may know him as a) the guy who wrote up the Patriot Act, b) the guy who stormed out of a meeting like a crybaby then turned off all the mikes, c) one of only a few congresspeople to vote AGAINST sending aid to Katrina victims, and d) a tremendous asshole.
 
2006-09-13 05:19:21 PM
Or, more exactly, appleoranges.
 
2006-09-13 05:21:55 PM
chaunceymo I don't think your definition of Islamic terrorist is 100 percent right. They believe that anyone who does not believe exactly what they believe is "an Affront to God" and needs to be killed until they are dead. If you will note; they blow up alot of places with Muslims in them.
 
2006-09-13 05:22:50 PM
haha I made ericjohnson0 say something communist!!

How dare a community own its own sports team?

Downright un-Amurrican...
 
2006-09-13 05:22:53 PM
Svengali4Life
"the phrase has drawn fire from Muslims who complain it stigmatizes their religion"

You know what really stigmatizes the religion? All these violent killers who murder in the name of Islam. Maybe they should stop all the murders... Does that sound reasonable? It does to me.


Sounds great to me... want people to quit despising you? Stop killing their friends... duh...
 
2006-09-13 05:23:49 PM
SchlingFo:
"90% of the abortion clinic bombings in the world are carried out by Christians."

You know, I've never thought about that. I've literally never heard of anyone bombing an abortion clinic in a Muslim country. I wonder why that is.
 
2006-09-13 05:24:20 PM
Tribalism != Facism

Terrorism != Facism

Muslim Terrorists. Say it. Otherwise you're just a tool.

/don't be a tool, m'kay?
 
2006-09-13 05:25:02 PM
Sounds great to me... want people to quit despising you? Stop killing their friends... duh...

I wonder who else that could apply to. Show of hands? Anyone?
 
2006-09-13 05:25:22 PM
whidbey
haha I made ericjohnson0 say something communist!!

How dare a community own its own sports team?


Ahhh... Dear Boy... it's called:

Investing

Individuals work hard, save their money and a buy a portion of a corporation... as American as Baseball, Apple Pie and Mom... AKA Capitalism...
 
2006-09-13 05:27:37 PM
Vetinari:They believe that anyone who does not believe exactly what they believe is "an Affront to God" and needs to be killed until they are dead.

I'm hoping and praying that was intentional. If not, nice.

/Russ Feingold: One of the few Democrats I still respect
//liberal independent
 
2006-09-13 05:27:51 PM
Gosling

I wonder who else that could apply to. Show of hands? Anyone?

There's a roach in my kitchen burning a pair of my socks screaming 'Jihad...' Something about that bug bomd I set off lastweek... like the ones we need to use in the Middle East...
 
2006-09-13 05:30:06 PM
SSV and IAJUID,

Thanks :)

Svengali4Life,

You know what really stigmatizes the religion? All these violent killers who murder in the name of Islam. Maybe they should stop all the murders... Does that sound reasonable? It does to me.

What have you, personally, done to stop all the abortion clinic bombers from murdering in the name of Christianity?

Our government takes action against them when they break the law. But, I don't see very many Christians going out there on their own and hunting down these abortion clinic bombers.

If you want to blame someone for inaction, blame the governments if they don't aggressively hunt down and prosecute murderers.

Don't blame the 90% of people out there who are too busy working and trying to provide for their families to go out and act as John Q. Vigilante in the evenings.
 
2006-09-13 05:30:36 PM
(smacks forehead) Eric, see me after class.
 
2006-09-13 05:30:53 PM
quadropheniac

Russ Feingold: One of the few Democrats I still respect
//Socialist independent


There... fixed that for you...
 
2006-09-13 05:31:42 PM
 
2006-09-13 05:34:45 PM
Urmuf Hamer: So, as many have pointed out, there are aspects of facism common to the apparent philosophy of Al-qaeda, and aspects of that philosophy seem to be claimed to be true Islam by Al-qaeda. Feingold's claim that we are painting good Muslims along with the bad, IMHO this stinks of PC hairsplitting...

*ding! ding! ding!*

We have a winnar!
 
2006-09-13 05:35:11 PM
Urmuf Hamer
From Wikipedia:

Well, their whole obsession with the Caliphate (aka Lebensraum) seems to fit right in there.
 
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