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2006-09-13 01:56:50 AM  
"If we're not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation,"

I swear, most of you have the reading comprehension of a syphylitic monkey.

Where, in those few paragraphs, did he say that the military should ratchet up the use of these new weapons against our own citizens?
What line was that?

Basically, what he said was:
"If it's too farked up to use against our own people, then we shouldn't use them against anyone else, either"

Given that we already use weapons (guns, tear gas, tasers) against our own people when shiat gets farked up, WTF do YOU think he's saying?

/rhetorical question, as I'm off to bed
//YouPeopleAreCrazy indeed
 
th
2006-09-13 01:57:09 AM  
i don't see a problem with this. i'm sure the air force has the non-lethal weapons developed to the point where a civilian injury is highly unlikely. if not, that would just open them up to lawsuits that i'm sure they don't want to deal with. this is a non-issue.
 
2006-09-13 01:57:30 AM  
frostus: Absolutely, which is why I submitted this with the STUPID tag (and a funny headline).

I submitted it with a HERO tag.

/want a flamewar of my own
 
2006-09-13 01:57:41 AM  
Howie_Feltersnatch: Yeah, and they illegally confiscated firearms from law-abiding citizens in that instance.

And that was wrong. Badly wrong.
 
2006-09-13 01:58:12 AM  
I remember my arch-conservative uncle using the phrase "Jack-booted government thugs" all through the Clinton administration. I think he even felt sympathy for the soldiers at Kent State. How will my mom tell him I was microwaved and fed to Dick Cheney?

/I always thought Cheney liked BBQ'd kittens over liberal hippie brisket.
 
2006-09-13 01:58:44 AM  
Good thing nothing lasts forever...
 
2006-09-13 01:59:51 AM  
There was a day when people like Mikailus and other terrorist supporters were hung in public.

Sometimes I think when a 'mob' has tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people it has earned the right to do whatever it is doing. They represent the will of the people.

How else can we protest? There will always be a peaceful movement that will get farked up by dumbass beer chugging idiots. So then the police act, the rightful protest is broken up, and yet another attempt at change is blocked. We used to run this country, now we are but serfs and peasents. Oh but at least we have TV.

Sucks to be anyone that would like to elevate their status, but that's okay. The American Dream comes at half-off with purchase of a diet Coke but don't you dare try to get off the rails and explore the park, we'll shoot your ass.
 
2006-09-13 02:00:57 AM  
the reason there hasnt been a 'popular uprising' is that there isnt a reason for it. it's like a 12 year old son of a millionare complaining that life sucks.

once we get anywhere near a real fascist state beyond what hot topic likes to say, then there might be an uprising.
 
2006-09-13 02:00:59 AM  
Here's Chicago cops handling a riot without fancy less-lethal weapons.

1968 Democratic National Convention

Amazingly, there is no video on youtube of this.
 
2006-09-13 02:00:59 AM  
th

Where did you get the idea that "trust us, we're from the government!" was a prescription to follow rather than satiric commentary?
 
2006-09-13 02:01:11 AM  
Executive Monkey

Your statement is so stupid that reading it has made all of us dumber. Thanks. Oh, BTW, if you're too frightened of terrorists to handle freedom, YOU'RE the coward. I'm not going to make any more arguments because they'd be wasted on someone like you.

I'm guessing you're saying this because you know everything about me based on reading one or two comments in a forum.

Not at all judgemental are you? Not at all devoid of a sense of humor are you? Not at all prone to wigging out when someone doesn't agree with your narrow world view are you?

/oooo, was i being judgemental?
//bad me

seventypercent
Taking a thread in Fark a little TOO seriously aren't you? Sometimes it is too easy to get inside a person's head and press all the right buttons.

Once again, liberals take EVERYTHING way to seriously.
 
2006-09-13 02:01:15 AM  
Scudder: And two - microwaves can bake your frickin DNA.

Along with stem cells!!!

/actually they probably did experiments specifically to make sure stem cells wouldn't be killed
//cause that would be murder
 
2006-09-13 02:03:01 AM  
Howie_Feltersnatch, my lack of a god, there's nowhere to run!
 
2006-09-13 02:03:51 AM  
should be a scary tag, wtf is farking happening in this country? WHo are these people that think they can nuke us from space cause we want to exercise our constitutional rights?
 
2006-09-13 02:06:11 AM  
anondescriptname: I submitted it with a HERO tag. /want a flamewar of my own

Sorry, dude. I don't have a flamewar in me tonight. Maybe you could go put together an unruly mob somewhere and let the gummint flame ya!
 
2006-09-13 02:06:11 AM  
peeceessuck: WHo are these people that think they can nuke us from space cause we want to exercise our constitutional rights?

The same people sending your countrymen of to kill and die in Iraq?
 
2006-09-13 02:06:49 AM  
Mmmmm...baked DNA.

/tastes like chick...aaaarrrggghhhh
 
2006-09-13 02:07:33 AM  
skhval_factory

You are much more optomistic than I. I don't think "they" can back off after taking us this far down the road to hell. We're goin' all the way baby. We shall see.
 
2006-09-13 02:08:24 AM  
"Once again, liberals take EVERYTHING way to seriously."

The irony and/or hypocrisy of this statement, considering who it came from, is just staggering.
 
2006-09-13 02:08:47 AM  
mrCasual: I'm bringing a Hot Pocket to my next riot.

Jim Gaffigan on Hot Pockets
(pops).

I figured this thread could use a little comic relief.
 
2006-09-13 02:09:10 AM  
skhval_factory

Once bush is finally gone, the laws he passed will get repealed and life will go on without a hitch.

I hope youre right. We have to wait and see who gets elected into the White House first. For example, if Rudy Giuliani or Condoleeza Rice run, we're farked.

You people need to stop being sensational.

I dont know why, but that made me lol.
 
2006-09-13 02:10:40 AM  
th
i don't see a problem with this. i'm sure the air force has the non-lethal weapons developed to the point where a civilian injury is highly unlikely. if not, that would just open them up to lawsuits that i'm sure they don't want to deal with. this is a non-issue.


You speak as if your approval is not only limited to use of this "nonlethal" weaponry against American citizens but also as if you approve of the deployment of the military to use the weaponry. If that's the case, you're a damn fool.

Thank {deity} that we have the Posse Comitatus Act to guard us against shortsighted fools who'd allow the military to deploy in domestic circumstances.
 
th
2006-09-13 02:11:25 AM  
i dunno... i guess my point is, if they're talking about it, it's probably already happening without major problems. it's probably not something to get worked up about.
 
2006-09-13 02:11:46 AM  
You people need to stop being sensational.

Is it okay if the gays are stil faaaaaaabulous? :D

/made me lol too
//figured we needed more humor
///seemed appropriate after Mikailus tried to hit on me earlier in the thread.
 
2006-09-13 02:12:12 AM  
www.azulcalcinha.com.br

A slippery slope, indeed.
 
2006-09-13 02:12:21 AM  
////freaking bold tags.
 
2006-09-13 02:13:19 AM  
This is some scary stuff....

Can we test it on the Phelps clan and just use them as guinea pigs?
 
2006-09-13 02:14:12 AM  
Random_Nickname
"Once again, liberals take EVERYTHING way to seriously."

The irony and/or hypocrisy of this statement, considering who it came from, is just staggering.


You really think the comments posted in here are serious?

You really think I mean everything I post?

Has it not occurred to you that someone might just be farking with you?

"Once again, liberals take EVERYTHING way to seriously."
 
2006-09-13 02:14:28 AM  
Mikailus: Taking a thread in Fark a little TOO seriously aren't you? Sometimes it is too easy to get inside a person's head and press all the right buttons.

Oh, please. If I honestly believed that you had the desire and/or means to incinerate 50+ million American citizens, I'd be talking to the FBI instead of wasting time on Fark. I do fail to see how racist jokes further the state of political discourse in any meaningful way, but I've always been goofy like that.
 
2006-09-13 02:14:33 AM  
Mikailus
Not at all judgemental are you? Not at all devoid of a sense of humor are you? Not at all prone to wigging out when someone doesn't agree with your narrow world view are you?
/oooo, was i being judgemental?
//bad me


If calling someone a damn fool because they are willing to sacrifice freedom out of the stupid notion that doing so will make them more secure makes me judgmental, fine, sign me up. I'll write that one up alongside being judgmental of rapists, murderers, arsonists, and rapists.
 
th
2006-09-13 02:15:31 AM  
worldbeater--

easy there. i'm not talking about military force against citizens, i'm just talking about the use of weapons that will probably end up in police forces throughout the nation eventually.
 
2006-09-13 02:15:49 AM  
skhval_factory: Once bush is finally gone, the laws he passed will get repealed and life will go on without a hitch.

In other news, now that Congress has actually gotten around to reading the Patriot Act members are calling for its repeal rather than supporting its extension past the sunset date set in some of its provisions.

/news from an alternate universe
 
2006-09-13 02:15:52 AM  
h20 clan always seemed to me to be trying to get laid.
 
2006-09-13 02:16:28 AM  
THIS is where your tax dollars are going. Not schools, not public works, not safety, not security, not the oft-blamed foreign aid - research on how best to kick your ass when you exercise your first amendment right. Despicable. The Department of Defense is a money pit.
 
2006-09-13 02:16:32 AM  
worldbeater: Thank {deity} that we have the Posse Comitatus Act to guard us against shortsighted fools who'd allow the military to deploy in domestic circumstances.

Deity forbid, but I have a feeling if there's another terrorist attack in America, that Posse Comitatus will be overridden by a revised "Patriot Act".

I'm sure that the National Guard's actions post-Katrina was used as practice for martial law.
 
2006-09-13 02:16:45 AM  
th
i dunno... i guess my point is, if they're talking about it, it's probably already happening without major problems. it's probably not something to get worked up about.


If you're under the impression that the use of the military in a law enforcement capacity is nothing to get worked up over, you're mistaken.
 
2006-09-13 02:18:26 AM  
Glad to know this Air Farce c0cksuk3r somehow believes that using US citizens as test subjects is a great way to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States. . .you know, that goddamn piece of paper all military and political figures vow to uphold.

And YouPeopleAreCRazy. . .you are missing the point. US citizens do not want to be gueni (sp?) pig, whether or not the non-lethal devices are "ratched up."
 
2006-09-13 02:19:43 AM  
halochick117: Can we test it on the Phelps clan and just use them as guinea pigs?.

I'm all for it. I think we can exclude them from the definition of protesters. I'm sure Americans would condone the testing on those looney tunes.
 
2006-09-13 02:19:57 AM  
Posse Comitatus is a farking joke at this point. Another attack and it's gone completely.
 
th
2006-09-13 02:20:35 AM  
worldbeater--

military technology of that nature in law enforcement isn't anything to get worked up over. i'd rather be shot with a non-lethal device by an overzealous cop rather than anything they're likely to carry now. this is truly a large fuss over absolutely nothing.
 
2006-09-13 02:20:37 AM  
th
easy there. i'm not talking about military force against citizens, i'm just talking about the use of weapons that will probably end up in police forces throughout the nation eventually.


While I take serious issue with the tendency of cops to use less deadly weaponry as if the consequences are nonexistent, I definitely agree that the cops would be better than the military at peacekeeping. There isn't a chance of a police dictatorship, so the prime worry about military deployment within a country is nonexistent with cops.
 
2006-09-13 02:20:54 AM  
2006-09-13 01:23:52 AM skhval_factory
Nothing really is different in the domestic life of America in 2006 that wasnt there in 1999,
etc.

you must be a farking idiot. people whom are not terrorists are already being prosecuted under the patriot act(for terrorists!), and if republicans stay in power, regardless of bush being out in a few years, his bullshiat "leave it up to the next president" solution to the farkup in the middle east will be followed by his party because it means that they don't actually have to do anything but keep troops in the middle east and bloviate "stay the course!"

i would say that this affects everyone's domestic life that knows someone in the military, and considering that citizens' groups(and their members) with no terrorist ties are being surveilled and infiltrated by our government's spooks, etfarkingcetera, you stating that it's business as usual is complete and utter bullshiat.

also, fark you. cocksucker!
 
2006-09-13 02:21:48 AM  
America needs V.
 
2006-09-13 02:23:30 AM  
America needs V.

Yeah, that'll solve everything. Oy.
 
2006-09-13 02:23:59 AM  
hootkr

but one of the best west wing episodes ever.
 
2006-09-13 02:24:04 AM  
So why are cops any more likely to use this on peaceful protesters than they are the tools they currently have at their disposal?

Like I said, I've been to quite a few large protests. None ever turned into riots, and no weapons were used.
 
2006-09-13 02:24:33 AM  
worldbeater
Way to jump into a conversation with both feet and still miss the point.

Good work.
 
2006-09-13 02:24:40 AM  
th

Maybe you remember those memos that showed the EPA knew the air in Ney York was hazardess but told the public otherwise and that they shoud get back to work? Well, if not, here's a primer:
Link
A scientist for the Environmental Protection Agency is charging that the agency lied when it claimed the air at ground zero was safe to breathe in the weeks after the 9/11 attacks


And now we have this:
Link
A troubling 9/11 health report report shows nearly seven out of 10 rescuers down at the World Trade Center suffered lung problems during or after their work at Ground Zero. And this high rate of lung "abnormalities" have continued for years after the 2001 terrorist attacks.


Granted, knowing how many of those people were there after the EPA lied to them but the point stands, I think. Maybe I need to mention Iraq again.
 
2006-09-13 02:24:49 AM  
th
military technology of that nature in law enforcement isn't anything to get worked up over. i'd rather be shot with a non-lethal device by an overzealous cop rather than anything they're likely to carry now. this is truly a large fuss over absolutely nothing.


While I disagree vehemently that it's nothing to get worked up over (more the abuses that *always* come with it, really), I do agree that it's far lower on the "oh shiat" scale than in-country military deployment. And the weapons billed as nonlethal aren't nonlethal. They're just less likely to kill you than a gun.
 
2006-09-13 02:25:08 AM  
Better question:

Should police use les-lethal weapons to control riots?

If so, what should they use?
 
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