Priest_to_the_Exanimate

Really, what would you do if you got student loans? You could finish your education and possibly go back to your country of origin that you do not know. Honestly, would you pay the loans back?

Honestly, I have no clear answers to your questions. If there's no route for eventual earned citizenship, the government essentially prevents me from making the money to pay for these loans (or even to put my B.A. to any use, economically speaking).

I'm not here to argue that this bill is necessarily a good thing -- without also providing for a "path to citizenship" to certain qualified immigrants who were brought as minors, it merely allows both the state and us undocumented students to bide our time.

But from a personal perspective, I can only say that it's terrifying putting school on hold when no work is available and simply waiting, waiting, and watching the courts. Irrational as it may be without a path to citizenship, I just wish I could afford to attend school like a normal person in the meantime.

Not even I have all the answers, people. Just please, please be careful when we choose not to even allow a path to legal citizenship for those of us, in the minority,who arrived as very young children. We are trying to correct for our parents' mistakes. We are TRYING to gain the right to work and pay taxes. And we are not allowed.

ActualFarkal

The most super-neato part of this is that if it passes, student loan interest rates are going to skyrocket, and I get to pay for that because I have such loans in California.

I know the rest of the country is laughing at us. I'd like to point out that I'm not from here, but I pay massive taxes on everything. Can anyone beat 8.25% sales tax?

We've got 8.8% sales tax in King and Pierce counties in WA state, and wouldn't you know it: they're talking of raising them again.

victorygin


Run for your life. Many Americans would rather see you living in squalor than helping to support their society, because they can't get past their own feelings of entitlement to see how investing in you is really an investment in all of us.

We'd rather feel the high of revenge from excercising an entire peoples for the mistakes of the worst of them, than admit that our society needs all the educated adults we can get.

Hey, can we deport the white trash and inner city blacks while we're at it? God knows how many of them work under the table.

victorygin

I would like to make a bit of social commentary if I may.

It's not too smart of you to come to a public forum and admit that you are an illegal alien whose parents are also illegal aliens. All of you are guilty of a felony in this country. You should also realize that the VAST majority of people in this country are sick and tired of being milked dry by illegals. Thirdly, you should also realize that not everyplace is like California. In fact, NO place is like California...which is probably why you have chosen to live there in the first place.

Your status as an illegal alien is socially acceptable in the socialist state of California. The United States Constitution says otherwise however, and there are those of us who WILL (and already have BTW) report illegal aliens to the authorities.

As a final note, it's not a good idea to post your first and last name along with your current address on a myspace website when you just admitted to 5 million people that you are an illegal alien with NO right to be in this country. By definition, you are a felon that belongs in jail, or should be deported. Personally, I would rather them make you first pay back all the farking money you sucked out of the system that wasn't yours to use in the first place, but then again, I'm not the president...which is very very lucky for everyone like yourself.

You will get ZERO sympathy from me. My great-grandparents were LEGAL Irish immigrants. They took the time to do things the right and LEGAL way. Your parents could have done the same thing, so don't try and give me any sob-story. Enjoy your deportation.

Would someone like to explain exactly how a male illegal immigrant is supposed to get financial aid without registering with Selective Services?

Last time I filled out a FAFSA it was required.

/last semester if you're curious

I_Make_Jebus_Cry
You will get ZERO sympathy from me. My great-grandparents were LEGAL Irish immigrants. They took the time to do things the right and LEGAL way. Your parents could have done the same thing, so don't try and give me any sob-story. Enjoy your deportation.

At the time your great-grandparents came over, any white person was automatically granted entry just by getting off the boat and signing a paper (the rare exceptions were people who were sick, mentally ill, or known criminals). For the most part, anyone in Europe who wanted to move here could do so as long as they had the money for the boat. Of course, if you were Asian the story was different.

Nowadays, it's insanely hard. Many people spend decades attempting to get in and still fail.

Jebus


All your great grandparents had to do was sign a registry at Ellis Island.

What Heroes.

Note to victorygin: marry an American. Then, "POOF", everything's cool.

raoul.duke
Note to victorygin: marry an American. Then, "POOF", everything's cool.

Actually, I'm not sure that is possible, because I believe if you have previously violated immigration law, you're generally never eligible for legal immigration again.

A good lawyer might be able to argue on his behalf though, as he was too young to be held criminally liable at the time he entered the country.

2006-09-08 01:40:05 AM I_Make_Jebus_Cry


Awesome.

victorygin

I just wish I could afford to attend school like a normal person in the meantime.


you may be 'normal' in the physiological sense, but you are not a legal citizen. Being able to go to school on the taxpayer's dime is something only 'normal' legal residents should be able to do.

Just please, please be careful when we choose not to even allow a path to legal citizenship for those of us, in the minority,who arrived as very young children.

And when did your parent's disregard for the law become MY problem, or the problem of anyone else? Well, actually, they DID become everyone's problem because they probably started milking the system the day they arrived have haven't stopped yet..and you are doing the same.

If there's no route for eventual earned citizenship, the government essentially prevents me from making the money to pay for these loans (or even to put my B.A. to any use, economically speaking).


the government does this for a REASON, idiot. They don't want illegal aliens in the farking country. Neither does 80% of the citizens that live here. Take the hint.

I can only say that it's terrifying putting school on hold when no work is available and simply waiting, waiting, and watching the courts.

See? Like I said...you live in California for a reason. You sit and wait and watch the courts and pray that some liberal activist judge tries to overrule the federal government's laws that do not allow illegal aliens to have the same benefits as naturalized aliens or legal citizens.

raoul.duke

Run for your life. Many Americans would rather see you living in squalor than helping to support their society

Actually, I'd like to see her AND her parents thrown out of the farking country.

We'd rather feel the high of revenge from excercising an entire peoples for the mistakes of the worst of them, than admit that our society needs all the educated adults we can get.


I'm all for educating the citizens of this country. I'm just against having illegals using money from funds they have not paid into....stealing from the legal immigrants and citizens.

Hey, can we deport the white trash and inner city blacks while we're at it?

All of whom have more rights than this stupid biatch, and rightfully so being as they are actually citizens.

I_Make_Jebus_Cry

My current address? I only have a MySpace website, the fact that I live in "Los Angeles," and the my first and middle name (my last name is thirteen letters long and too identifying for the internet -- we foreigners love that kind of confusing nonsense!).

You claim that my parents could have done the right thing, but I am not my parents. I have no control over their actions any more than I have control over the fact that they reproduced in the first place. (From the sound of it, you don't think I should even be alive. Maybe I should have stopped them from having sex. My bad.)

Oh well. I'm not here to change the mind of I_Make_Jebus_Cry. I want to study, work, and pay taxes. I would like to contribute to the only country I've ever known. I can't. I'm sorry. The end.

omfg enough already, can't we just start shooting the border jumping criminals on sight?

There's to be something to be said about a member of society who'd deport someone who's trying very, very hard to become not only a contributing member of that person's society, but the top echelon of the contributing class, while allowing the laziest and most worthless stay simply because they were born here.

False senses of entitlement go both ways, and have eroded our nation from both ends.

to be something to be said

Why do I uncheck the "preview" box? I blame the Mexicans.

Sum Dum Gai
A good lawyer might be able to argue on his behalf though, as he was too young to be held criminally liable at the time he entered the country.

Apologies. HER behalf.

victorygin

IP addresses are very easy to track, as are your college records. Unless you are truly homeless, INS can track you down.

You are right. You will NOT change my mind. You and your parents have stolen money from me and every other legal citizen of this country for what...17 years now?

we foreigners love that kind of confusing nonsense!).

Oh...don't be too quick to gloat because "you foreigners" like to try things like using false names. You have just proven my point. You aren't remorseful..you are actually GLOATING about being able to evade detection by doing things like omitting your real name and probably using a false one instead.

Brag to the NIS, biatch.

Only Californians would try to toss a corporate CEO in jail for making too much money, and then give out taxpayer money by the truckload to thousands of people that have no right to even be in the country.

Remember, Californians are against the government 'wasting' money on things like drilling new oil wells or building new refineries....but they're okay with wasting money on providing welfare and free healthcare and education of anyone who immigrated there on a floating door.

Jebus, illegal immigrants do not recieve federal funds. Even when they recieve welfare, it's state. Medical teatment? State. Policing/jailing? State. Schooling? Some federal, sure, but not as much as the State.

Do you live in California? I don't. I'm an American, though, and I'd like to know how much money they owe me. In fact, the government owes me. You owe me. The church owes me!

I'll sue everyone! College graduates like the future victorygin will foot the bill.

By the way, I regularly smoke marijuana. I have possessed enough of it to constitute a felony. Considering all the federal dollars that go to fighting marijuana, I owe you, and every other American, lots of money.

Come and get me.

Let's remember that by NOT passing the bill, all illegals will be deported and our taxes will not be wasted on useless projects.

Jebus

There is no sea between Mexico and the United States. Do doors float on sand?

Also, they do not recieve welfare, anymore. They may on behalf of their children, but their children are legal Americans.

Why do you hate legal Americans?

I guess its a good thing I make screen captures of victorygin's website.

she also removed the link in her profile to her myspace website.

For those that would like to see more about our current illegal alien, her website can be found at:

http://www.myspace.com/stephaniesolis

This immigration bullshiat is getting really really tiring. Of course an educated illegal immigrant is preferable to an uneducated illegal immigrant. But is denying aid to a LEGAL 18-yr old (let's say) citizen in favor of a more needy ILLEGAL 18-yr old preferable? Hell no.

Pretty simple one, huh?

I'm so tired of everyone painting illegal immigrants as these simple-minded well-meaning bumbling idiots that we should exploit. They're intelligent human beings who will start playing politics and competing for money and resources just like anyone else. Our country already has too many farking people in it; adding still MORE people will just strain systems and dilute resources that much more. This shiat is so obvious, why can't we (we = legal citizens) just wake up.

And all the bullshiat talking points in favor of sucking off illegals just make my blood boil. The same shiat they say applies to anyone anywhere in the world. Clearly we cannot allow anyone in the world who wants to come here do so. Every sane person will agree to that. But for some reason if you replace the word "anyone" with "Mexican" millions of people including almost all latinos (go figure) suddenly lose their minds and decide this country can handle any influx imaginable. Actually, *hint hint* they're not doing any analysis, they're just spouting bullshiat based on emotion and/or old-fasioned Sesame Street caliber tribalism. (like me = good, not like me = bad) But nothing to see here.

Here's basically how the conversation goes over time: (1) Oh let anyone in, nation of immigrants, country will be better, country needs them blah blah look the other way please. (2) Holy shiat illegals suddenly need their share of all the same resources as everyone else? Oh and plus they've procreated like rabbits on speed, and their progeny need even more resources. No shiat? Well i suppose this was a totally unforeseeable and unavoidable stroke of fate, so we should do everything necessary to help them out. What? Don't you remember #1 where the country was supposed to be better off? Oh that's right, you're an ignorant, lying, self-serving asshole. Fark off.

We don't owe non-citizens anything. We don't owe non-citizens anything. I'll repeat that. We don't owe non-citizens anything. Helping out non-citizens is one of those "nice to do" things. It's not something you do if it hurts real citizens. A massive increase in competition for resources versus a much smaller increase in those resources = hurting real citizens, lower standard of living. This shiat is so elementary, but it seems lost on so many. STANDING, the keyword is standing. Oh but we're so rich we can just be less rich and still help the illegals. I'll refer you to the first sentence of this paragraph. We're not rich enough to help everyone in the world, so why reward those who simply have a geographic advantage over Africans or Filipinos? It's all relative. If you break a law and don't hurt anybody, the punishment can't be that great. But if you're breaking laws and that affects other negatively, e.g. those navigating the proper immigration channels, then the punishment should be steeper, like, I don't know, no FEDERAL money for education. Jeebus, there's no steaming bullshiat imaginable that California won't entertain. I can't wait till the big one...ok that sounds bad, the big one would be bad, but with the upside of no more Cali...still bad, but mitigating factors, no?

I have to think the root cause of 99% of the country's problems is this: politicians put votes above all else. This means the popularity of issues takes precedence over the impact and net value of issues. So any proposition that will negatively impact the country will still go forward (or equivalently, fail to be opposed, same diff) so long as it's popular. This, my friends, is horse shiat.

The only way to salvage our little 200-yr old project country is with a massive revival of this concept called accountability. It's a tough one, I know. I'm tired now.

ProtestWarrior

omfg enough already, can't we just start shooting the border jumping criminals on sight?

Yeah, go ahead and put your money where your mouth is you dumbass pussy. We're all eagerly awaiting your body count report.

Arnold T Pants

victorygin: What would anyone else here suggest?

I suggest you get out of the farking country. No one cares what your SAT scores are or if you have savings. Get the fark out.

Iowa? WTF? That's the country's perspective? HAHAHA, ahh, that's farkin' funny....

I_Make_Jebus_Cry

I guess its a good thing I make screen captures of victorygin's website.

she also removed the link in her profile to her myspace website.

For those that would like to see more about our current illegal alien, her website can be found at:

Your mommy must be ecspecially proud of you.

raoul.duke

Also, they do not recieve welfare, anymore. They may on behalf of their children, but their children are legal Americans.

Why do you hate legal Americans?


STFU you retard.

I dont hate LEGAL americans. I hate ILLEGALS like victorygin. And remember, I'm just enough of an asshole that I report any and all illegals that I know about immediately...including this dumb biatch.

OR...maybe in not an asshole. Maybe I'm a concerned citizen of this country who is just tired of the country being slowly taken over by illegals and liberal panty-wipes from California.

Every single other modernized country in the WORLD has strict immigration laws. Even France. They do not allow "excuses" like the one this girl has. They would simply ship her and her illegal parents back to their country of origin without a second glance.

You liberals like to nit-pick American social politics based on what other, more 'progressive" countries have done. And example would be the fact that Europe has "free" healthcare for everyone. California strives to be Europe. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. If California wanted to TRULY be more like European countries, they would round up ALL of the illegals and ship them home tomorrow.

I'm tired of watching the country be run by a bunch of pussies. We are a nation of laws and civil liberties. Illegals deny me of my civil liberties by sucking the system dry and thus depriving MY son of monies that I and my wife had paid into the system. They ALSO break numerous federal laws against illegal immigration. I dont care about her sob-story. I want her OUT of the country.

I_Make_Jebus_Cry

I guess its a good thing I make screen captures of victorygin's website.

she also removed the link in her profile to her myspace website.

For those that would like to see more about our current illegal alien, her website can be found at:
http://www.myspace.com/stephaniesolis

My MySpace will tell you that I enjoy Kurt Vonnegut and Hello Kitty. Why is this of any interest? It's not particularly personal. Is it merely a freak show to play stare-at-the-immigrant, like when people gawk at gay couples holding hands? Or could it be... someone has a teensy little crush on me?

I mean, the screen captures were a bit much.
Is this what all of this is about, Jebus?
It's okay.
I won't tell.

I guess this is a good time to put up all my Hydroxycut referral banners on my MySpace page. Hits a plenty!

(This is petty and silly. I'm not even supporting this farking bill. Please, carry on.)

Stephanie has three college degrees, and is working on a fourth?

Get the hell out of my country! We need the money we've spent on you so we can build another bridge in Alaska.

Cost-benefit analysis, Jebus. She's probably going to contribute more than you or me. In the future, her countrymen who come here will owe her money as well.

You don't know jack shiat about my personal politics, aside from this issue.

Close the damned borders. Immediately. Legally immigrating here is already harder than in most European countries, as well it should be.

It's just stupid to look at the ones who are already here, due to no fault of their own, who are willing to contribute more than many, many legal citizens are, and say "ship them out" because you think your taxes are too high.

How many college degrees do you have?

I_Make_Jebus_Cry
OR...maybe in not an asshole.

No, no I think you were right the first time. You care more about laws (and of course, I am sure you never speed, double park, jaywalk, or do anything else ILLEGAL) than you do about a bright, motivated young lady who will probably contribute more to this country than you will.

If you hate her for being a "drain on the system" then give her citizenship and watch her jump into that 35% tax bracket.

raoul.duke

Stephanie has three college degrees, and is working on a fourth?



I currently hold an MNS degree and am working on my doctorate, thank you very much.


Cost-benefit analysis, Jebus. She's probably going to contribute more than you or me.

red this: I DONT GIVE A FARK. Neither do the vast majority of people in this country. She got her education thanks to those of us that pay taxes. Too bad she'll never be able to actually get a farking job with her four degrees because her parents are felonious retards.


In the future, her countrymen who come here will owe her money as well.



the only thing that anyone owes her and her parents is a free boat ride back to France. (or germany, or poland, or wherever else they came from)

I_Make_Jebus_Cry: I think you just summed up the entire state of California in one sentence. That's the problem with people like him and the majority of ppl that live there. They want California to be a place with sidewalks paved with candy canes and gumdrops. The entire state is filled with immature fools living in a children's novel reality.

Wow. Sounds like a hellhole. The standard of living must SUCK there.

Oh, wait.

Their economy must really be in the shiatter, too. No way their GSP could be the highest in the country.

Wait...DAMN!

I do agree that their (k-12) education system has been BADLY mismanaged, though.

It's just that I see a whole lot of people who like to biatch about California for entirely ideological reasons. These are the same people who call it "socialist" even though it has one of the most successful capitalist economies in the world.

It's the same old crowd: the ones trying to hide their dislike of latinos and the poor in general as well as their own consuming selfishness behind arguments of expediency.

Yet these same people seem to have ZERO problem with immigrants serving in the armed forces or with buying cheap vegetables and other agricultural products produced at those prices ONLY because of illegal immigration. They almost NEVER put their money where their mouths are; they just want the government to do it for them.

It may surprise some, but I'm the first to admit that we have a problem with illegal immigration in this country and that something has to be done about it. It's just that the goddamned "deport them all now!" mouth-breathing fence-builders tend to go overboard every time they engage the topic and wind up doing more harm than good because they rally behind efforts that feel good and give them a sense of veangance rather than pragmatic approaches that would actually do something positive for this country instead of dividing it.

They're every bit as pie-eyed and utopian as they think the "liberals" or Californians or whoever else they enjoy berating to distract from their own moral worthlessness are. For example: their belief in the ability to, say, magically make every illegal immigrant go home without turning the US into a dystopian police state. It's just that their primary motivation stems from profound selfishness, greed, racism, and petty nationalism masquerading as patriotism rather than compassion, hope, and just plain old human decency.

For example, I doubt I_Make_Jebus_Cry would be quite so vehement and vicious in his cries to get rid of victorygin if she were, say, a Canadian or a Brit whose visa had run out. Like all the others, I'm sure he denies any and all motivations stemming from race, nationality, or econonomic condition publicly, but I think we all know better by now.

Sum Dum Gai

when I speed, or double park, or do anything else illegal, I pay the penalty for it based on the laws of this country.

This girl's (and her parents) crime means they should all be deported.

Nice playing semantics with you though. Do try again when you have a more logical arguement.

Fact: She's an illegal alien. No one owes her SHIAT. Why should SHE get to jump infront of everyone else that is gaining citizenship legally?

Prospero424

For example, I doubt I_Make_Jebus_Cry would be quite so vehement and vicious in his cries to get rid of victorygin if she were, say, a Canadian or a Brit whose visa had run out. Like all the others, I'm sure he denies any and all motivations stemming from race, nationality, or econonomic condition publicly, but I think we all know better by now.



you really ARE an ignorant bastard, aren't you.

She isnt mexican or latino, you ignorant fark. She's a white chick with blonde hair from some European country. Guess that kind of shoots your whole soapbox speech to hell doesnt it?

Strangely, she's white a white female with blonde hair and I still want her out.

You are doing something psychologists call "projection". In other words, you are attributing characteristics to me where none exists based on your OWN personal feelings.

I DONT GIVE A FARK.


This isn't rhetorical: Why not? Here's a chance to add someone who will contribute more than she, or even her family, takes out. I'd like to hear your justification beyond "she's an illegal immigrant". If that's your only reason, then you're willing to sacrifice greater good for the sake of following the letter of the law.


Congrats on your degrees, though. That's some hard work you've put in.

You can't base your argument on potential. All illegals have the potential to contribute more than they take... therefore, we should open the doors wide? Some have more potential than others, so should we comb through the illegals and pick which ones we'd like to keep? Or should we put away our crystal balls, and not play at fortune telling? In which case, we have to treat them all equally and send them all back: regardless of their level of potential.

raoul.duke

This isn't rhetorical: Why not?

first: she has no legal right to be here. She doesnt even have the right to get an education here in the first place.

Here's a chance to add someone who will contribute more than she, or even her family, takes out.

Great. Let her immigrate illegally to some OTHER country, then apply for citizenship here. That way, she will actually be able to get a job.

I'd like to hear your justification beyond "she's an illegal immigrant".

No other justification is needed. She is illegal. She does not belong here.

If that's your only reason, then you're willing to sacrifice greater good for the sake of following the letter of the law.


Look...I beleive in being able to do whatever the fark you want to do unless you infringe on someone else's rights. That kind of makes me a strict Libertarian. The only problem is that this girl has NO rights. Just by her being here she is denying me my right to a secure nation.

I dont care if you run naked outside while smoking a bong and farking your boyfriend up the ass. It's not my problem, and you should be free to do whatever you want to unless you deny me or someone else of their rights.

One of the fundamental principles of ANY nation is controlling immigration and securing the boarders.

Congrats on your degrees, though. That's some hard work you've put in.


thanks. In 15 months when I finish, I will be one of only 25,000 people in the United States with the same degree.

I_Make_Jebus_Cry

Only in California will people like youself sit by and watch as blatantly unconstitutional laws are written and passed

I'm still waiting for you to site/reference just one. You made the claim so back it up or go fark yourself. Just one blatantly unconstitutional law passed by the state of California is all you have to come up with. You're the great scholar, I know you can do it...

to put things in perspective, I come from an ethnic group that was more despised than the black were at the time. Yet, strangely, you never heard much about it because the people with my ethnic background didn't start marches in the streets or petition the government for welfare to help.

This is what my great-grandparents had to deal with:



They still managed to earn a living and even go to school...and they did it all LEGALLY.

This chick's parents could have done the same thing.

Consideration for your fellow man
Would not hurt anybody, it sure fits in with my plan
Over the border, there lies the promised land
Where everything comes easy, you just hold out your hand


/'Illegal Alien ' - Genesis
//This song was made in the 80's
///When will we learn ?

mydogateit

scroll back up. I listed several.

Die in a fire, you blind motherfarker.

Jebus

Interesting fact, we're in the same political party. Go figure.

I also believe in the idea that infringing on someone else's rights is wrong.

I cannot see how she infringes on a legal immigrant's rights, because "under the radar" as she's been, she hasn't helped to gum up the process for legals.

Now, you may think that's not true because her taking of public monies prevents us from opening the door to more legals. You would also say she infringed on our rights by taking our money.

I also believe, very strongly, more so than any other social principle, in the social contract.

Her efforts in getting higher education, and a lots of it, says to me that she is not only willing to repay her societal debt, but go beyond and contribute more than she's taken out. She is fulfilling her debt to us.

If we throw her out, she will never do so. This is why I believe any illegal immigrant who is here, and shows the motivation to repay their debt, should be welcomed as a citizen. I do not care if they went through the process, because the process is meant to show, in a very short amount of time, that the applicant has exactly the type of motivation that Steph here has.

Does this open the door to more illegal immigration? Sure. But if the illegals coming here were after college degrees instead of welfare and under-the-table jobs, I don't think there would be a "problem" anymore.

She is much different from the immigrant leach, who I would deport in a heartbeat. You do not seem to be able to see past the immediate future.

I_Make_Jebus_Cry

I dont care if you run naked outside while smoking a bong and farking your boyfriend up the ass. It's not my problem, and you should be free to do whatever you want to unless you deny me or someone else of their rights.

That's precious. You beleive that someone has the right to fark someone else up the ass in public in front of children and anyone/everyone else. Classic! You're definately Mommy's favorite!! Where do you live again?

I also believe, very strongly, more so than any other social principle, in the social contract.



then you are not a libertarian. The core priciple behind Libertarianism is personal responsibility and accountability.
Liberal concepts like a "social contract" are things the Democratic party believes in.

If we throw her out, she will never do so. This is why I believe any illegal immigrant who is here, and shows the motivation to repay their debt, should be welcomed as a citizen. I do not care if they went through the process, because the process is meant to show, in a very short amount of time, that the applicant has exactly the type of motivation that Steph here has.


so why dont we just pick and choose which immigrants we let in instead? Whatever happened to EQUALITY? She should be treated like any other illegal immigrant. The fact that she got an education while she was here illegaly is irrelevant. I know of a few murderers that have degrees? Does that mean we should not put them in jail because they would be worth more to society by working than by spending the rest of their lives in jail?

Does this open the door to more illegal immigration? Sure. But if the illegals coming here were after college degrees instead of welfare and under-the-table jobs, I don't think there would be a "problem" anymore.


The first sentence says it all. Close the boarders. Period. Stop illegal immigration. Period. If they want to become citizens, let them apply for it just like my great grandparents did.

She is much different from the immigrant leach, who I would deport in a heartbeat.

and what of her parents? You know...the ones that broke the laws in the first place...and who do NOT have a degree? YOu want to let THEM stay as well I suppose.

You have a very racist, bigoted view of immigration. Only let those stay that have a college education? How about we instead treat them all the same...make them ALL follow the same rules? I think that would be a more "American" way to do things.

mydogateit

You beleive that someone has the right to fark someone else up the ass in public in front of children and anyone/everyone else. Classic! You're definately Mommy's favorite!! Where do you live again?


Show me where the constitution says you have the right to NOT be offended by something.

Dont wanna see it? You have the right to not look at it.

You heard me correctly. I believe you should be able to do whatever the fark you want to do unless you infringe on someone else's rights.

Last time I checked, there was no law that says that it is illegal for someone to do something that offends you...well..maybe in California there is, but that just serves to prove my point about California.

mydogateit

Let me sum this up for you. I'm a Libertarian.

Pro gay marriage, pro legalized drugs, pro freedom, pro small government.

Libertarian = personal responsiblity and accountability.

California = let the government do it for us.

Jebus, again

Just some aside points:

I come from an ethnic group that was more despised than the black were at the time.

No, you didn't. I'm not going to bother googling things like Jim Crow laws, voting blocks, lynchings, inter-racial marriage laws, racial property owning laws, and the such. You went to college. That's a blatant exaduration.

because the people with my ethnic background didn't start marches in the streets

No, they just burned down Manhattan in 1863, rioted in Poughkeepsie in 1850, rioted in Philadelphia in 1831, used terrorism against miners in Pennsylvania, attacked the New York State militia in 1871...

/just a sidenote

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mydogateit

Let me sum this up for you. I'm a Libertarian.

Pro gay marriage, pro legalized drugs, pro freedom, pro small government.

Libertarian = personal responsiblity and accountability.

California = let the government do it for us.

Yeah all of us, everyone who created and or works for Intel/AMD/Applied Materials/Yahoo/Google/IBM/Zerox/National Semiconductor/Netflix/Electronic Arts/LAM/Kliener/Perkins/Apple/Pixar/Lucas Arts and so many others too many too name, let the f'in government do it for us.

You are too stupid to live.

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If they want to become citizens, let them apply for it just like my great grandparents did.

Then would you be in favor of repealing all the immigration caps and limits passed since your great grandparents? If you want people to share the same responsibility as your grandparents, will you likewise give them the same opportunity to lawfully immigrate?

All your great-grandparents needed was white skin, money to reach America, being sane and healthy, and signing their name in a book. There were no applications, no papers, no quotas. You didn't need anything in advance, you just showed up at a place like Ellis Island, you had a brief physical to make sure you were in good health and sane, and you wrote your name in a book. Then you were a resident. Five years later, if you were white, you became a full citizen.

There was no green card lottery system that could take decades to get you in. They immigrated in a time when they let virtually everyone in without any questions. It's not exactly a fair comparison.

Akuinnen: The guys I know from the Phillipeans are pretty proud of who they are and where they come from. My understanding is it comes down to what village they are from. So if mistaking what area someone is from is bad, saying they're from Mexico is probably worse.

That's right! What island, what village, what family. They don't marry inside families - which is generally anyone from your village (they do that Pacific Islander thing where all the friends of your mom are your aunties, etc.). My husband's family is from Manila, and Va-sigh (Vasian? Can't spell it at all, probably have it wrong, don't shoot me, I just cook the empandas around here).

It's a Filipino martial art.

You know I thought it was a ripoff of Escuela for a minute (school). I can understand some Tagolog, because I do Spanish (a bit). It's simular, but the endings of the words are kinda different. Anyway - bless you for being interested in someone elses culture :) I make a great big empanada for YOU :)

Sum Dum Gai: Nowadays, it's insanely hard. Many people spend decades attempting to get in and still fail.

HI3's and B's? In the Phillipino hang outs (the Phil Am society is EVERYWHERE) they have all these posters offering work Visa's for resorts in town. That's temporary, sure - butyou can make it permanent if you find a sponsor, do service in the military, or train yourself in a critical career field (like medicine). It IS very hard to get here - a lot of the Pacific Islanders like to go up to Canada after they get their nurses training, then come down once they have established themselves. My husbands parents were the 'bridge'. They did military service after they got their med training (doctors and shrinks) to get citizenship. Afterwards, they started sponsoring people to come over, one by one. Chinese do this, also, but it appears to me they like the whole Canada thing better, because it's easier to immigrate up there.

I think the point you are trying to make here (and that most people may not realize) is that Mexico doesn't want it's citizenry bailing on Visa's. It's my understanding that they blockade the American embassy, periodically, and do absolutely nothing to assist their people in crossing to the United States legitimately. You can not apply for the Visa's because they do not have access to them - at all. The citizens can not get the documents they need to make the applications and if they do, it involves a system of really expensive bribes in addition to the fees. People cross ocer here illegally and then make application, because they can. That's the peoples that are serious about it, anyways.

So yes, from your side of the argument, it is a very complex problem that few people understand, for sure.