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2006-09-05 10:58:56 PM  
Because they are fun for the whole family.

Seriously, because the government lies to us about everything else.
 
2006-09-05 11:06:15 PM  
Because it is easier to deal with the idea that the world's problems are the result of a highly coordinated cabal instead of random idiocy, apathy, and hate.
 
2006-09-05 11:06:57 PM  
guess I shoulda RTFA, or write for time.
 
2006-09-05 11:08:59 PM  
The government lies, but in almost all cases about how stupid and woefully unintelligent they are, and never to hide their "secret genius".

"Oh, 9-11 would have never happened if only for [insert bullsh*t]."

Please.
 
2006-09-05 11:11:13 PM  
Wow, that 9/11 conspiracy did a hell of a job tying the attack to Iraq, and therefore justifying the war, didn't it?
 
2006-09-05 11:12:03 PM  
Because the official story makes little, if any, sense.
 
2006-09-05 11:13:18 PM  
phenn: Because the official story makes little, if any, sense.

I agree, flying a plane into a building, killing yorself and thousands of others makes very little sense to me as well.
 
2006-09-05 11:14:56 PM  
If you want to believe (pops)in conspiracies...don't read this link.
 
2006-09-05 11:15:12 PM  
phenn: Because the official story makes little, if any, sense


How so? They are no factual gaps in the official story, if that's what you mean. If you mean that the events themselves didn't make sense, well then I'm with you there. The same way it didn't make sense that some lone crazy could kill the President of the United States. Why, it must have been a secret conspiracy!

Conspiracy theories are how some people try to make order out of the chaos.
 
2006-09-05 11:23:11 PM  
phenn: Because the official story makes little, if any, sense.

After reading all of the popular conspiracy websites and watching Loose Change I & II, I'd label the official story somewhere between "completely plausible" and "supported by eye witness accounts and material evidence beyond any reasonable doubt."
 
2006-09-05 11:25:40 PM  
I am your typical American consumer. I was only drawn to this thread by the pretty TIME tag.

What's up?
 
2006-09-05 11:35:14 PM  
Tonight, on In Search Of:

Conspiracy Theories: why are they drawn to people?
 
2006-09-05 11:40:18 PM  
They are no factual gaps in the official story, if that's what you mean. If you mean that the events themselves didn't make sense, well then I'm with you there.

I think it's more the fact that there are some elements that seemingly don't "fit". As such, the entirety of the official story can be dismissed by the conspiracy-minded as a fraud.

Personally, I see any such oddities as the result of chaos, poor communications and just plain mistakes that were made in the middle of a horrible situation.

After reading all of the popular conspiracy websites and watching Loose Change I & II, I'd label the official story somewhere between "completely plausible" and "supported by eye witness accounts and material evidence beyond any reasonable doubt."

I'd also label the Loose Changers' theories as "everchanging" and "full of giant gaping leaps in logic" and "not necessarilly reliant on actual facts".
 
2006-09-06 12:05:48 AM  
i have always been suspicious of the 'offical' story. it didn't make sense to me. i've had my fling with consipiracy theories, but lately i'm leaning more toward general imcompetence at the wheel, with overtones of allowing it to happen.

from page 3 of the PM article camelclub linked to:
On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states.

and from the sarasota herald-tribune, sept 10, 2002 -
At the Colony, the Secret Service was getting everything secured for when the president arrived on Sept. 10. That included snipers and surface-to-air missiles on the roof and the Coast Guard patrolling just offshore.

i'd link to it, but you have to pay $3 for it. i figure if you want it that bad, you can find it.

anyway, how could they feel enough of a threat for surface-to-air missles, and yet only have 14 jets on alert, while NORAD conducts a training routine?

/then again, they are really stupid.
 
2006-09-06 12:59:45 AM  
FriarTuck, you are telling me you read the entire article in less than 40 seconds and also posted your second post?
 
2006-09-06 01:00:35 AM  
Watch the video Loose Change. Google it. Watch it. NOW!
 
2006-09-06 01:01:04 AM  
People are really drawn to belive 19 asshats with boxcutters and plane tickets could destroy downtown newyork AND the pentagon without so much as a glance from the government until it was over.

//conspiricy is just a crime covered up by two or more people
\\\\and W has lied about EVERYTHING since then
//and he didnt seem to concerned at the time
\\didnt even put down the goat book for FSM sake.
 
2006-09-06 01:01:08 AM  
A big question I'd like answered is which names on the passenger manifests were the hijackers' aliases?
 
2006-09-06 01:02:22 AM  
I enjoy reading them and trying to think through them. I don't go overboard with them or believe much of them. Some of the questions they raise are interesting though.

The thing about a conspiracy is that it can't be proven. Sory of like the existance of God. So people naturally mock or flock..
 
2006-09-06 01:02:26 AM  
Because they're idiots.

Besides, Elvis is the mastermind behind 9-11.
 
2006-09-06 01:03:19 AM  
Because they need life to be a bit more exciting and intriguing. Same reason Bigfoot, alien probes and tabloids persist. (Not that I'm saying aliens don't exist, just that if they came, trust me, we'd all know it.) If you don't have them, you have to concentrate on your own life, which might be just a boring job, TV and the Internet.
 
2006-09-06 01:03:20 AM  
camelclub

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm#​1

who is the master debater?
 
2006-09-06 01:03:21 AM  
Sory = Sort*
 
2006-09-06 01:04:01 AM  
since when does willfull negligence count as a 'grand theory?'

why does bush frame every position around the mysterious 'bin laden?'

"Look, Bin Laden says America will go bankrupt if they stay in Iraq-- just like the Dim's are saying! I told you they were terrorist sympathizers!"
 
2006-09-06 01:04:14 AM  
Also, Loose Change is intellectually lazy at best.

Sadly, most 9/11-conspiracy proponents are.

That, however, does not make it totally out of the realm of possibility.

The real issue is that a certain group could bring to light actual recorded confessions of operatives in the conspiracy and they'd be buried underneath an avalanche of spin. By and large, Americans get their information from the establishment... and that's about the end of it.
 
2006-09-06 01:04:53 AM  
MIDGETS ATTACKED THE WTC! AND IF YOUD ON'T BELIEVE THAT THEN YOU ARE A POO POO HEAD!
 
2006-09-06 01:05:29 AM  
i think michael moore exploded the buildings. with hot dogs (consumed).
 
2006-09-06 01:05:31 AM  
This article reads like a PR piece for Loose Change, with a hasty paragraph ultimately dismissing it tacked on the end as an excuse.
 
2006-09-06 01:05:39 AM  
www.unmuseum.org

The person who piloted the first jet into the WTC.
 
2006-09-06 01:05:48 AM  
Gosling--
dont forget chain letters!
(or something bad will happen)
 
2006-09-06 01:06:10 AM  
because it is easy to find comfort ignoring the fact that your country's foreign policy is antagonistic and the rest of the world finds the president to be a imperialistic clown
 
2006-09-06 01:06:10 AM  
Gosling: Not that I'm saying aliens don't exist, just that if they came, trust me, we'd all know it

Why would you think that? If there were a civilization out in the universe that was capable of interstellar travel you think they'd come here and make themselves known? I think they would likely monitor from afar or even in plain sight (where we likely couldn't see them anyway). Their technologies, methodologies, and motivations for things would be so far off scope from anything we're used to it be absurd to think they would come with the traditional sort of greetings.

*shrugs*
 
2006-09-06 01:06:24 AM  
jesusandinstein anyway, how could they feel enough of a threat for surface-to-air missles, and yet only have 14 jets on alert, while NORAD conducts a training routine?

If I recall correctly, during the Clinton administration a small private plane crash-landed on the White House grounds. Since then, the Secret Service has included surface-to-air missiles as part of their Presidential defense package. There was an article about the Secret Service adding the missiles to their arsenal back when it happened.

Also, the Secret Service is a lot more paranoid than the Armed Forces. Part of the job description, I guess.
 
2006-09-06 01:06:31 AM  
camelclub

That article offers nothing more than heresay and conjecture that all 9/11 conspircacy claims are false.

I'm sorry, but they'll have to do better than that to refute any and all of any kind of conspiracy whatsoever about 9/11.
 
2006-09-06 01:07:00 AM  
Because the "Apollo 11 was a hoax" noition runs out of gas too quickly.
 
2006-09-06 01:07:28 AM  
The people putting forth many of the conspiracy theories, if they really believe what they're saying, would be insane to say those things in public. If you really think the US government is as evil as it would have to be to have done this to its own citizens, you would be wise to STFU and move somewhere safe before you go public with your theory. Whereas most conspiracy theorists sit safely in their homes, putting out their little flash videos, typing their blogs, with no fear of reprisal from the government they're exposing as evil. If they had any credibility, they'd at least move to Idaho and start a militia or something.

It would be like if I went around saying my next door neighbor is a mass murderer, in full view of said neighbor. If I really believe he's a murderer, I'm going to make sure I'm in a really safe place before I make that announcement. In other words, I wouldn't be making a flash video announcing his murderous ways, and then just sit back and wait to see who believes my flash video.

So therefore, I have a hard time believing the conspiracy theorists even believe what they're trying to get me to believe.
 
2006-09-06 01:07:38 AM  
The pattern of destruction on 9/11 is fairly straightforward for the most part, though it helps to know a few things that weren't secret but weren't widely disseminated either. The real problem is that the conspiracy nuts are true-believers of the same intellectual ilk as AIDS/HIV deniers, creationists, and Holocaust deniers. As I often say about my mother, "You can't talk to a person who Knows(tm)."
 
2006-09-06 01:08:05 AM  
Conspiracy theories are how some people try to make order out of the chaos.

But some actually make more sense.
 
2006-09-06 01:09:54 AM  
Just saw Terrorstorm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorstorm

It's just too much to understand. It started out ok, but the Alex Jones goes into meth overdrive and I get bored, confused and angry.
 
2006-09-06 01:10:04 AM  
For the same reason religionists fight evolution, and why the Apollo deniers keep finding reason to believe the moon landing never happened:

Because the average person today doesn't have a good grasp of science.

Because faith is easier than reason.

Because life feels like it has more meaning when you believe there's something bigger than all of us working secretly in the background, pulling levers and shaping grand plans...rather than accepting the fact that life can be just mundanely beautiful or horrifying.
 
2006-09-06 01:10:25 AM  
Because every darn one of us has bsed someone and asked for another to 'cover' for us for something.

But there's a big difference between sneakin' a smoke and, say, "losing" billions of dollars or, say, thousands of dead American soldiers or, say, tax breaks for the rich that happen to include the persons and families making the laws...

And you all know you'd do the exact same thing if you had the chance.
 
2006-09-06 01:10:37 AM  
Buckle up, its gonna be a bumpy ride.
 
2006-09-06 01:11:12 AM  
haikupoet: As I often say about my mother, "You can't talk to a person who Knows(tm)."

How can you say something that has specialized capitalization? Is there a certain way of pronouncing it?
 
2006-09-06 01:11:38 AM  
Because they're insane. Everyone knows that the US government has never lied about anything ever before.
 
2006-09-06 01:11:47 AM  
Nuc_E: Buckle up, its gonna be a bumpy ride.

*puts on tinfoil hat and pops popcorn*
 
2006-09-06 01:11:51 AM  
Because they are stupid. And on the lunatic fringe
 
2006-09-06 01:11:54 AM  
jarrett: After reading all of the popular conspiracy websites and watching Loose Change I & II, I'd label the official story somewhere between "completely plausible" and "supported by eye witness accounts and material evidence beyond any reasonable doubt."


What you described is the equivalent of reading a The Far Side anthology and coming out of it with a deep understanding of quantum physics.

A theoretical position does not gain credibility through the incompetence of it's opponents. Until someone here has access to the physical evidence and is able to put it through a battery of tests, the best answer anyone here can give is a firm "I don't know."

Unless of course you feel that, despite the widely held belief on fark that politicians lie to us at pretty much every turn, on this issue they decided to be 100% honest.
 
2006-09-06 01:12:38 AM  
63.105.17.106
 
2006-09-06 01:12:47 AM  
I love the straw man that a permissive insider equals "the US GOVERNMENT ITSELF IS EVIL!"

isnt it true that the occupants of government in the US are by all definitions transient? If you wanted to get away with something, would you involve every person in the state in the planning process?

oh yeah I forgot-- this is a world where God strikes down the bold with stingrays of justice.
And the USA will not get stung again!!!
 
2006-09-06 01:12:48 AM  
www.tve.co.il
 
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