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(Some Guy)   Town hall lowers flag to half staff for fallen soldier. It's Saturday and the unionized staff are off for the weekend so a councillor does it himself. What could possibly go wrong?   (torontosun.com) divider line 207
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2006-09-02 11:13:39 AM
And the union slide into total irrelevancy is complete.
 
2006-09-02 11:20:33 AM
Forget that their flying the flag at half staff is in conflict with flag etiquette.
 
2006-09-02 11:20:52 AM
i've got this one!!! ooh! ooh! i used to manage teamsters ... let me see: a grievance was filedlllllllllllll ... somebody had to pay the junior union member because a non-union person did it. 8 hours' pay.

what do i win
(the knowledge to never work union)
 
2006-09-02 11:22:42 AM
The optics, unquestionably, scream of pettiness regarding money trumping both principle and patriotism.

"yes, I understand the optics," she says


The optics? Can somebody translate that into Amurikan English?

I gather that means "how it looks."

Am I the only one who never that before? Is that just Canadian usage?
 
2006-09-02 11:24:06 AM
netringer: The optics?

i have no idea what that's supposed to mean, except what you guessed. yeah, it 'optics' bad.

canadian union. hahaha. they have learned our bad lessons very welll:)))
 
2006-09-02 11:25:43 AM
netringer: The optics?


Perception maybe? That makes as much sense as anything else. I'll just go with that.
 
2006-09-02 11:30:39 AM
Farking pricks.
 
2006-09-02 11:47:11 AM
"That said, I don't believe union issues should be dealt with in the press. They should be kept confidential so the public can't see us for the unreasonable, greedy asswipes that we are."
 
2006-09-02 12:06:18 PM
Optics: I figured it meant that the Councillor was wearing funny-looking glasses.

Unions had their place, but they suck now. Someone recently told me that the groundskeepers on my campus are only allowed to mow a certain number of square feet per day. Um...WHY?!?! And it takes *2* people here to change a damn light bulb.

I usually say "fark it" and do the custodial stuff myself.
 
2006-09-02 12:22:47 PM
The thing about unions, and I grew up in a union (NEA) household, is that nowadays the people in unions don't seem like they could hold a job anywhere but in a union.

By that I mean, I've been in the working world 10 years, and I have worked along side literally 100's of people, and interviewed about 20 for managerial or technical positions.

I see very little that suggests to me the union people would even make it to a second interview, if they were trying to hold a job anywhere else but in a union.
 
2006-09-02 12:28:14 PM
"The optics" is the new cool thing to say. "Vetted" is starting to get old already. "Sea change" is just stale now. What's next?

Nisdom.
 
2006-09-02 12:39:45 PM
what DIA said
 
2006-09-02 12:58:49 PM
Man, the writer of that article was a little . . . flowery and . . . unctious and . . . full of himself.

/eh?
 
2006-09-02 01:00:10 PM
The optics...do nothing.
 
2006-09-02 01:00:24 PM
Here we go again. Ahem. "OMFG!! IT'S THE JOOONIONS! THEY ARE TEH SOURCE OF EVIL!!!1!ONE! How dare they enforce contracts!"
 
2006-09-02 01:02:58 PM
The writer had a golden opportunity to use the term, "flap", when referring to the commotion about a flag... and took it.
 
2006-09-02 01:03:40 PM
stiletto_the_wise: How dare they enforce contracts

As usual with the right, "personal responsibility" only matters when it makes them feel good.

Town Hall signed a contract. They need to keep their end of the bargain, or buy their way out of it.
 
2006-09-02 01:04:22 PM
It's actually "half mast", not staff, but anyway.
 
2006-09-02 01:04:41 PM
So the union expects every employee to know the exact details of every other employee's contract?
 
2006-09-02 01:06:51 PM
OF course, since it is NOT about the money, the Union will help resolve future 'contract' violations by always having someone on call 24/7 and doing it at no cost.

//not anti-union
///anti-stupidity
////anti-slashes
 
2006-09-02 01:07:06 PM
Nope, Luscus, you're wrong. "Half mast" is what happens when it's on a ship.

/Go the back of the line
/Slashies!!
 
2006-09-02 01:07:20 PM
Luscus: It's actually "half mast", not staff, but anyway.


It's either.

Half staff is more appropriate anyway, because that's what you get when you hire a union employee.
 
2006-09-02 01:07:35 PM
"That said, I don't believe union issues should be dealt with in the press. They should be kept confidential.

Uhh... NO. What the fark makes you immune from being reported on by the press just becuase you're in a union? Fark you.
 
2006-09-02 01:07:59 PM
Luscus: It's actually "half mast", not staff, but anyway.

They were on a boat?
 
2006-09-02 01:08:35 PM
I cannot wait for the day Unions are wiped off the face of the earth. Then I can finally go back to child labor.
 
2006-09-02 01:08:53 PM
And people wonder why employers love illegal immigrants so much. There's a comfortable grey area between a workforce that must do everything hey can possibly to do to keep the job (e.g., read The Jungle) and a labor force that's so wrapped up in legal protections that it's difficult for employers to encourage them to so much as do work (e.g., France, union America), it's just sad that it always seems to stratify on one end or the other.
 
2006-09-02 01:09:27 PM
Good to know the US isn't the only place these assinine stories come from.
 
2006-09-02 01:10:25 PM
I DEMAND FREE MONEY
 
2006-09-02 01:10:53 PM
The issue aside, what is being said here is that the contract that stipulates this and was agreed on by both sides and was also documented and recorded is just to be tossed to the winds because of the emotions involved. Bullshiat.If you do not like it then change it next time you renegotiate the contract.A contract is a legal document that both sides agreed to follow, powers that be chose to ignore it for convience and now are upset they will have to pay wages which is exactly what they signed on the dotted line saying that they would do.
 
2006-09-02 01:11:21 PM
I frickin hate unions. Their greedy gangsta attitudes are why all the corporations are outsourcing and more than willing to let illegals work for them. In trying to take two steps forward, they've moved everything back about 20 for everyone.

My only hope is Chinese workers will unionize - no, wait - I know better than that. We're just screwed.
 
2006-09-02 01:11:26 PM
Unions were irrelevent years ago. They are now a disruption of everything they touch. Everything they are involved with causes waste.
 
2006-09-02 01:12:26 PM
2006-09-02 01:10:53 PM ForkTailedDevil [TotalFark]

The issue aside, what is being said here is that the contract that stipulates this and was agreed on by both sides and was also documented and recorded is just to be tossed to the winds because of the emotions involved. Bullshiat.If you do not like it then change it next time you renegotiate the contract.A contract is a legal document that both sides agreed to follow, powers that be chose to ignore it for convience and now are upset they will have to pay wages which is exactly what they signed on the dotted line saying that they would do.


Then the Union rep ought to stop lying through her teeth with bullshiat like "This isn't about the money at all." You want your mone? Fine. The contract says your entitled to it. But at least be honest about it, you pussyfooting biatch.
 
2006-09-02 01:13:01 PM
DOH! "you're entitled to it", that should read.
 
2006-09-02 01:13:56 PM
whatshisname wins.
 
2006-09-02 01:17:21 PM
I never fail to see why the union is always the bad guy when BOTH sides (union and municipal government) signed an agreement. Shouldn't the government side be held in the same contempt for making a deal that they weren't prepared to uphold?

Yes, I'm a member of a teacher's union. It's not a perfect situation, but we need the protection and support that can only be provided through a collective bargaining unit.
 
2006-09-02 01:17:39 PM
This "union" you speak of, is it better than garlic?
 
2006-09-02 01:18:47 PM
Fire 'em all, let the free market sort 'em out.
 
2006-09-02 01:19:05 PM
I DESERVE FREE MONEY
 
2006-09-02 01:20:25 PM
"That said, I don't believe union issues should be dealt with in the press. They should be kept confidential.

Because when their actions get into the press, they're exposed as the jackasses they really are.
 
2006-09-02 01:20:43 PM
Cpl. Andrew James Eykelenboom

Killed by an IED?

/Aisle seat please.
//RIP Soldier
 
2006-09-02 01:23:36 PM
The union may be entitled to claim the money, but must we always expect everyone to take whatever they are entitled to and still demand more?

The union is not doing anything it isn't entitled to do. It's just being an ass. That's all. What's wrong with decrying this?
 
2006-09-02 01:26:12 PM
whatshisname: It's either.

Half staff is more appropriate anyway, because that's what you get when you hire a union employee.


Burn! Nice jab, mate
 
2006-09-02 01:27:55 PM
I'm all for unions when they protect employees from asswipe employers*, but when they do stupid shiat like this it makes me hate them with a passion.

*I rarely hear of a union functioning that way, by the way.
 
2006-09-02 01:28:03 PM
on the Canadian theme
fark the NDP Party and how they split the vote in many places

funny sidebar: Head of CAW Buzz Hargrove was outed from the NDP party for advocating selective voting instead of strict party line (NDP) voting.
 
2006-09-02 01:30:40 PM
"It only takes two minutes to lower a flag," says Hodgson.

"Is it about the $120 in overtime, or whatever it is, for lowering the Canadian flag on a weekend? Or is it about honouring the sacrifice of a Canadian soldier?" he asks.




Wow... either those union workers make a hell of a lot of money, or the Canadian dollar has really depreciated in value......
 
2006-09-02 01:30:42 PM
It's not a perfect situation, but we need the protection and support that can only be provided through a collective bargaining unit.

You don't NEED anything.

People in unions feel like they need them because they've become depenant upon them.
 
2006-09-02 01:30:42 PM
and the unions wonder why no one takes them seriously. their time has passed.
 
2006-09-02 01:32:17 PM
Eat More Possum
Forget that their flying the flag at half staff is in conflict with flag etiquette.


Explain.
 
2006-09-02 01:35:24 PM
WBlows,

Fark the NDP and how they split the vote? They aren't ralph nader.... they have a legitimate base as a party... full of people who don't like either the liberals or the conservatives.

So what, they should disban just so your guy can win?

/gimme a farkin break
 
2006-09-02 01:38:05 PM
lol the most obvious part is how they QUICKLY mention the overtime part

gotta love how these guys work. ( Literally... )
 
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