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(The Sun)   Man pays £200 and spends seven hours having an elaborate tattoo honoring his mother put on his back, then when he proudly shows it to friends, they spot two spelling mistakes. The Sun is there (pic)   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 243
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2006-08-31 10:52:38 AM
THX 1138: Actually, the Old Testament forbids tattooing oneself to mourn the dead, not tattoos in general. But thanks for trying.

Leviticus 19:28

It says: 'Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you; I am the Lord.'

It does not say: 'Ye shall not make any cuttings in or on your flesh for the dead; I am the Lord.'

But then again, if you have to listen to invisible people in the sky, you have other issues.
 
2006-08-31 10:54:54 AM
DeanMoriarty: Then I realized that it would make judgemental people avoid me.

...silently when applying for work there.

There, fixed it for ya.
 
2006-08-31 10:56:49 AM
Thrust Onion: IF YOU MAKE YOURSELF STAND OUT IN ANY WAY- LOHPHAT THINKS YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE ATTENTION WHORE.

Thanks for proving my point. We are a nation of overgrown children who fail to discern subtlety and proportion.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth I never said to prove your feeble attempt at independant thought.
 
2006-08-31 11:00:20 AM
Lohphat:

Your Bible quote explains my post exactly. Mutilation or tattooing to mourn the dead were forbidden. Tattoos for decorative purposes are not addressed. Unless your "Bible-thumper" ex's tattoo was specifically in response to someone's death, then she wasn't a hypocrite as you made her out to be.
 
2006-08-31 11:02:08 AM
amindtat: here's just a short list of people you may want to avoid

Boy you're really reaching.

I didn't say "all tattoos are indicators of attention whoring".

Ever.

My issue (note the use of the first person possessive) is when the tattoos cross over from being an accessory to the central theme of a persona.

Many of the people on your list are actors, sports "stars", and musicians -- attention whores by definition -- in the business of hoarding people's attention.

Thanks for proving my point.
 
2006-08-31 11:03:15 AM
lohphat

atta boy. Way to get your cute little snippet in when you don't even know what I'm talking about.

It's on my leg, moran.
 
2006-08-31 11:05:31 AM
c'mon guys, it's simple:

you're only an attention whore if lohphat can see it, or it looks like you're proud of it.

if you hide it and feel shamed about having it, you're good in his books.
 
2006-08-31 11:27:30 AM
THX 1138: Mutilation or tattooing to mourn the dead were forbidden.

You mean like in homage to Jesus as the hands clasped in prayer?
 
2006-08-31 11:29:30 AM
DeanMoriarty: you're only an attention whore if lohphat can see it, or it looks like you're proud of it.

Way to go jumping to a childish interpretation of my sentiments. Thanks again for helping me out.
 
2006-08-31 11:32:22 AM
when I finally lose that last little bit of weight, I am getting 2 tattoos

one will be a 4 leaf clover with the number of my original weight, in a place no one but me, and anyone naked with me will see. A reminder of what I was, and what I am now.

I want a flamingo tat on my hip - I love those creatures, and collect them in all forms - from plastic to jewelry

I feel they reflect both my, and my personality, a little crazy, a little wacky, oh yeah, and I proudly admit to the AW thing. I mean come on, every actor, comedian, loud mouth, singer, rapper, journalist, politician wants attention, so why is it when a person decides to take a part of themselves and place it on their skin it is bad? People wear clothes, hell an entire industry is supported by people who want to look good. Drive a nice car? Live in a decent house, decorate it? Come on, EVERYTHING a person does is on some level AW, it is just coming to terms with it, embracing it, and realizing, if you don't like it, it is because no one pays attention to you!
 
2006-08-31 11:40:00 AM
lohphat: THX 1138: Mutilation or tattooing to mourn the dead were forbidden.

- You mean like in homage to Jesus as the hands clasped in prayer?


Yup, it could definitely be interpereted that way.

But back to the whole Bible-and-tattoos issue (which you started, by the way), was your ex's tattoo gotten in mourning of the dead? I'll assume it was, since you stated as fact that because she believes in the Bible, she was a hypocrite for having it.
 
2006-08-31 11:41:21 AM
Spank my ButtMonkey: Drive a nice car? Live in a decent house, decorate it? Come on, EVERYTHING a person does is on some level AW, it is just coming to terms with it, embracing it, and realizing, if you don't like it, it is because no one pays attention to you!

...or you garner attention for the person you are, the efforts you do for others, etc.

Buing a nice shirt for $50 - within norms. Buying a shirt for $500 made in the same sweatshop because the clerk at Needless Markup says you look fabulous? Idiocy.

Dressing or decorating with a sense of style and flare is a skill, slathering on makup, poorly matched and dubiously clean clothes is not.

If you need to do and have these things to feel better about yourself or what you've done is another thread. Consumerism is it's own form of dysfunction.
 
2006-08-31 11:42:22 AM
Childish?

Dude, you're the one throwing out names, accusations about a person's intentions, and casting aspersions on their character.

Childish, indeed.
 
2006-08-31 11:43:04 AM
THX 1138: I'll assume it was, since you stated as fact that because she believes in the Bible, she was a hypocrite for having it.


Would a big RED fish outline 8 inches across and IXOYE under it count?
 
2006-08-31 11:45:08 AM
DeanMoriarty: Childish, indeed.

Childish in yours, observant in mine. Calling a spade a spade and poiting out AW behavior is not childish.
 
2006-08-31 11:45:35 AM
Lohphat
You're infuriating. The sheer smugness in every post that you KNOW that you're right, you KNOW that you're better than everyone else by the virtue of your looks... that your opinion is worth more....

It's just plain disturbing.

/And that bullshiat "but thanks for" is the smarmiest thing I've ever seen
 
2006-08-31 11:46:54 AM
DeanMoriarty: if you hide it and feel shamed about having it, you're good in his books.

No quite the opposite -- if you felt you had to hide it before you even got it demonstrates your convictions right there.
 
2006-08-31 11:47:46 AM
Calling a spade a spade and poiting out AW behavior is not childish.

It is when you don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about. You're not insoghtful.

You're petulant.

I'm guessing someone with a tattoo got promoted to head nachos guy at Taco Bell over you and it's made you indelibly bitter.
 
2006-08-31 11:49:20 AM
No quite the opposite -- if you felt you had to hide it before you even got it demonstrates your convictions right there.

oooh, that's even better.

If you get it somewhere visible, you're an attention whore.

If you get it somewhere not visible, you must feel stupid for doing it in the first plsce.

You're awesome.
 
2006-08-31 11:52:02 AM
Thrust Onion: The sheer smugness in every post that you KNOW that you're right,

That's your insecurity showing.

All I've ever done is state MY opinions and why I feel there are right FOR ME and how I interpret actions of OTHERS.

Unlike some people who think they're right or have the truth in absolute terms.

As I've always stated -- do your own thing, I really don't care -- Freedom . Peace dude. Whatever.

I'll simply state that overdone ANYTHING is a mark of poor judgement and I'll silently judge you based upon my exprience of how it's an indicator of poor jugdgement, forethought, and impact. Nothing more.

Call me a bigot. Fine. I really don't care.
 
2006-08-31 11:53:17 AM
DeanMoriarty: If you get it somewhere not visible, you must feel stupid for doing it in the first plsce.


*IF* and only if you were ashamed about it.

Plus, this discussion was about proportion, not having them in the first place.
 
2006-08-31 11:54:29 AM
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2006-08-31 11:54:48 AM
DeanMoriarty: I'm guessing someone with a tattoo got promoted to head nachos guy at Taco Bell over you and it's made you indelibly bitter.

EXACTLY, that's why I left taco bell to tatt man and have a 6 figure income instead while he'll celebreate his freedom on social secuirty or the streets when he's 60.
 
2006-08-31 11:56:53 AM
BTW - I got mine on my leg, not out of AWing or shame or needing to hide it.

I got it there because the skin's less likely to loosen, so it'll last longer; and because I like to see it.

It represents a combination of my upbringing, allegiance to different nationalities and spiritual beliefs, and a public recognition of my devotion to an sport that has greatly influenced who I've become as a person.

I didn't get it for you, and if you're willing to make a judgement on me just by thinking "he's got a tattoo" instead of knowing the history, emotion and commitment that went into it, that makes you a smaller man.
 
2006-08-31 11:59:02 AM
Ever notice that anyone who gets all judgemental eventually has to invoke his imaginary income?

"I'm gonna go ahead and judge you on arbitrary things. I'll justify it by telling you how much money I pretend to make."

Now THAT'S an attention whore.
 
2006-08-31 12:00:00 PM
Proportion?

Tatts:

Nature's way of announcing your judgement skills before others have to waste time interacting with you.

Thank you for self-selecting out of the job pool.

The last thing I want is a moran who can't forcast long-term outcomes from actions.



Yeah, looks like a question of proportion to me.
 
2006-08-31 12:00:48 PM
lohphat: Thrust Onion: The sheer smugness in every post that you KNOW that you're right,
That's your insecurity showing.


Trust me, I'm a very secure person. People that look different to me don't take me out of my comfort zone, unlike you. You who are making an attention whore of yourself over a non-issue.

All I've ever done is state MY opinions and why I feel there are right FOR ME and how I interpret actions of OTHERS.

Summation of your opinions: If you have a tatoo, I will immidiately label you as being a person that is less-than-me just because of the way you look.

Unlike some people who think they're right or have the truth in absolute terms.
As I've always stated -- do your own thing, I really don't care -- Freedom . Peace dude. Whatever.


LOL you can't be SERIOUS. You don't care? You sure are posting alot about something you don't care about. You're judging people, how is that a live-and-let-live attitude?

I'll simply state that overdone ANYTHING is a mark of poor judgement and I'll silently judge you based upon my exprience of how it's an indicator of poor jugdgement, forethought, and impact. Nothing more.

I believe in "everything in moderation". But look at eveerything you've said- do you think your opinion is moderate? I would say you have a VERY conversative opinion on tatoos. that's not moderate at all, that's OVERDONE. The very thing you're rallying against.

Call me a bigot. Fine. I really don't care.

Not a bigot- just incredibly short sighted.
 
2006-08-31 12:08:10 PM
lohphat

Questions for you;

How does it feel to constantly avoid people because of choices that you dislike?

Isn't it a pain?

And, arn't these "attention whores" getting what they want anyway? Since, most people with tattoos and piercings "like them" - and you obviously don't, they never have to come in contact with you.

Except, they're passively avoiding you. They don't HAVE to avoid you. They, in fact, probably don't even know you exist. Since you're spending energy actively avoiding them.

Do you really want to go through your life judging people that make different choices merely because you've had bad experiences in the past?

Isn't that a sign of close mindedness?

So what's worse in your mind, being intolerant of what you concider attention-whoring, and having prejudiced on this because of your own speculation.... plus spending energy avoiding others

Or

Doing what you want to do, and not worrying about others and what they think?

By the way, tattoos != lack of intelligence.

Just fyi. ;)
 
2006-08-31 12:08:15 PM
DeanMoriarty: Ever notice that anyone who gets all judgemental eventually has to invoke his imaginary income?

"I'm gonna go ahead and judge you on arbitrary things. I'll justify it by telling you how much money I pretend to make."

Now THAT'S an attention whore.


FTW!!
 
2006-08-31 12:12:03 PM
What, exactly, qualifies as attention-whoring self-mutilation?
It seems like lohphat defines ANY bodymod as Attention Whoring, but is it attention whoring if the only person that ever knows you have a BodyMod is yourself? How is a half-sleeve and a full back attention whoring if no one ever knows??
If a piece of jewlery hung from a non-traditional place on the body (ie anywhere but the ears) is it self-mutilation?
(Mutilation: The irreparable disfigurement, or removal of an essential part)

/no Bodymods
//Nisdom *giggle*
 
2006-08-31 12:32:08 PM
I just wanted to say that although I agree with a lot of what lophat is saying, I do also believe that there's a difference between going a little over-the-top on hyperbole and downright tactlessness. I know this because I'm fond of the former and guilty of both; when I'm guilty of the latter, it's exclusively the result of needing a little more attention than I'm getting.

/so pompous and pointless I am
//but I do feel *so* much better
///thanks for listening
 
2006-08-31 12:39:04 PM
IrishBlunder

..and the fark-ups in the list go on and on.
Your cut/paste skills are weak, old man.


And your reading skills are weak, dumb ass. Let me walk you through this:
Start with the first name.
Alex Breckenridge - Actress
See? Name first, then what they are know for.
Continue down the list in that fashion, everything matches up.
Had to squish everything together to avoid mod deletination for posting something too long.
/Reading is FUN-damental!
 
2006-08-31 12:47:35 PM
I hate tattoos and find them revolting as well, but damn... lohphat is an arrogant piece of crap.
 
2006-08-31 12:57:24 PM
Me fail English? That's unpossible.

/can't believe I don't see that one yet.
 
2006-08-31 01:12:20 PM
Thrust Onion: how is that a live-and-let-live attitude?

I'll let you live your life without me wasting time on you.
 
2006-08-31 01:12:59 PM
FAL-Ninja: It seems like lohphat defines ANY bodymod as Attention Whoring,

That would be your selective reading speaking. Try again.
 
2006-08-31 01:21:14 PM
OMGWTFBBQ!!11! THAT GUY IS NOT WEARING THE UNIFORM THAT MY WORLDVIEW SEZ EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR!!1!1 HE'S TEH ATTENSHUN HOARE!!!!1!ONE!
 
2006-08-31 01:26:35 PM
lohphat:
Thrust Onion: how is that a live-and-let-live attitude?
I'll let you live your life without me wasting time on you.



Aww, I did all that typing and got no actual rebuttal : (
/sadface
 
2006-08-31 01:27:33 PM
danlpoon

Is that photoshopped, or is that person really a walking roll sheet for 1980s hair metal bands, half of which don't exist any longer?

I would like to respectuflly remind that person that most people use these things called "bumper stickers" on their cars and "concert shirts" that can easily be removed and discarded.
 
2006-08-31 01:34:33 PM
DeanMoriarty: I didn't get it for you, and if you're willing to make a judgement on me just by thinking "he's got a tattoo" instead of knowing the history, emotion and commitment that went into it, that makes you a smaller man.

You already have.

Just like people who cover their cars with bumper stickers or wear slogan shirts for affirmation, it just comes off as crass. Live and speak your beliefs instead.

It's one thing to stand around waving a banner or a flag, or wearing a tattoo, that's easy.

Demonstrating your convictions instead is harder.
 
2006-08-31 01:35:59 PM
AbortionsForAll: lohphat is an arrogant piece of crap.

No, just observant of confirming behaviors.
 
2006-08-31 01:42:44 PM
Is that photoshopped, or is that person really a walking roll sheet for 1980s hair metal bands, half of which don't exist any longer?

I MSPAINTed in the "Dan'l Poon" but otherwise it is gen-u-wine.

Is that a Jackyl Tattoo?
Tora Tora?
 
2006-08-31 01:44:50 PM
FAL-Ninja: How is a half-sleeve and a full back attention whoring if no one ever knows??

It's not.

Perhaps if I put it another way: If you are Catholic, Jewish, Buddhist, whatever, it used to be a tenet of civility to not wear your creed on your sleev so to speak. i.e. Conspicuous piety is just as crass as conspicuous consumption.

Ergo, conspicuous self-mutilation is crass in my book.

That's the other thing, it's all in MY book -- the one I live by. If you don't like it, fine, but I've also heard from a few who agree that tatts, in general, when overdone, when conspicuous are a from of AW'ing.

If you think I'm arrogant, I probably wouldn't find you interesting either. Your choice. I really don't care how you feel about me, at least I live my my convictions as they've served me very well so far.

BTW, I give blood products (from my chilly veins), donate my time and money to the community -- so I'm not a heartless bastared, just an intolerant one.

Just as someone said of an SUV ad when the guy said "Nice tat, how original", I'm just intolerant of sheep.
 
2006-08-31 02:08:08 PM
lohphat

You've made like... 30 posts in this thread... Are you looking for attention?
 
2006-08-31 02:08:59 PM
My my my, some people are awfully touchy about their tats.

Are they so new that they're still sore, or are you vaugely emparrased that they're out of fashion already?
 
2006-08-31 02:24:29 PM
Lohphat:

Yes, and being overweight is also a hallmark of hospital workers -- another non-verbal indicator of self-destructive behavior. This is not my prejudice, this is a well-known fact which hospitals themselves are concerned about.

Ah, the weight of its staff is extremely low on a hospital's priority list. They don't give random BMI checks, they don't pass out diet plans... and we're one of the few demographics who have both readily available.

Given the propensity to lower standards to cut costs, hospitals are not exactly staffed with the brighest nowadays.

Heh, cute. You're a pilot, right? That's about as honest as me saying that all pilots have drinking problems. You want to take an intelligence test, then respond to my monster post, do it well, and make me change my mind... don't completely ignore it and claim that health care professionals are mentally deficient. I'll tell you, pal, I'll match wits with you any day, I have tattoos everywhichaplace, and I'll win.

If you've had the misfortune of being trapped in a US hospital the level of care is approaching NHS-level lows. Nice bragging point.

Think you could do a better job? Cross on over into the dark side. Enroll in nursing school, take the NET, and belly on up to the bar. You afraid of your six figures disappearing? You can make that being a nurse, certainly with an MD if you'd like to go that route.

I'm proud of what I do. It requires a level of altruism you'll never know, and that's just the mushy side. Now limp back to your IT dreamland and pretend that nurses and doctors don't deserve respect... we'll be waiting to save your life when you need it.
 
2006-08-31 03:00:10 PM
lohphat
Ahh. ok. That's really what I wanted to know.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but it seems that you don't so much have a problem with tattoos or tattooed people, but those who either get the tattoo because it's trendy or self-aggrandizing attention whoring, ne?

I find that an original, well drawn tattoo or unconventional piercing that looks good on the person can be a beautiful work. But the tribal armband, barb-wire ring, tramp-stamp etc, should not be gotten simply because they are trendy.

Tattoos should hold a personal significance to their owners. The guy FTA should have gotten the tattoo (which HAS personal significance and is able to be covered.) done at a non-budget tattoo shop.

/If it's significant enough to get put on your body indelibly, it's significant enough to be done right, no matter the cost.
 
2006-08-31 03:07:40 PM
Am I the only lurker around here that actually agrees with Lohphat?

What is so hard to understand about what he's saying? You all act like it's your duty to "get him" if they make any judgements about you because you have a tat.

Guess what- making snap judgement based on appearance is a defining characterstic of human nature. Think about it- love at first sight, being suspicious of a large black man in a dark alley, thinking that used car salesmen look untrustworthy... these are all an extension of perception.

Here's some examples: girls with trampstamps have a higher percentage chance of being promiscuous. An asian covered in tattoos is more likely to be involved in organzied crime than an asian without tattoos. Your average caucasian person covered in tattoos is probably, all things considered, a step below on the intelligence ladder.

OH NOS! BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE! It doesn't apply to everyone across the board, but it certainly has a basis in reality.

Wow, you people certainly won the argument.
 
2006-08-31 03:12:40 PM
Noosh:
Guess what- making snap judgement based on appearance is a defining characterstic of human nature.

It's NOT a snap judgement, it's pre-judgement. IE Prejudice. And yeah, he may dislike people with tattoos and think whatever about them, and guess what?

I don't like attention whoring hypocritical bigots.

/Seems we're at an impasse
 
2006-08-31 03:19:12 PM
Noosh: girls with trampstamps have a higher percentage chance of being promiscuous. An asian covered in tattoos is more likely to be involved in organzied crime than an asian without tattoos. Your average caucasian person covered in tattoos is probably, all things considered, a step below on the intelligence ladder.

Well, since you backed up all of those claims with irrefutable proof and excellent sources, you've got me convinced!
 
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