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2006-08-29 06:55:13 PM  
A Dark Evil Omen
No, it's not like that. The fact is, neither Bush nor Ahmadinejad give a flying fark about any of us. The only difference is, we are more subject to Bush's not-giving-a-fark than Ahmadinejad's, who has his own people to abuse.

So you don't care too much about Ahmadinejad so long as he's abusing only his own people? Never mind that Ahmadinejad's policies have been a bit...harsher on Iranians that Bush's have been on Americans; Ahmadinejad apparently isn't satisfied with messing with only his own people. Look at all the shiat he's been stirring up via Iran's support of Hezbollah, not to mention his desire to wipe Israel off the map, his hatred of the US, etc. Ahmadinejad DOES give a shiat about us; he wants us either converted or dead, and Iran is unfortunately getting more and more capable of making us and others subject to its will, so we'd better start paying more attention.

And here some of us are choosing instead to diss Bush over a debate from two years ago against a guy whom he beat anyway. :P
 
2006-08-29 06:55:21 PM  
Prohest: GIS for hot american women

Please somebody make posting direct fatty pics a bannable offense...

/ *pours bleach in eyes*
// *cockpunches Prohest*
 
2006-08-29 06:57:55 PM  

Has anyone noticed the turn in Bush's attitude lately?
\He seems like hes trying to be more of a hard ass.



he is starting to realize that history isn't going to be any nicer to him than his critics are today.

His yes-men have lied to him and really don't love and respect him like he thought they had for all these years.
 
2006-08-29 06:57:56 PM  
Democratic Presidential candidate 2008.. Ahmadenejad.
 
2006-08-29 06:58:35 PM  
Neocon folks over here who are equating Iran and Ahmadinejad remember that it was your foreign policies who have led to the election of him. Everytime US tried to isolate Iran more and more, it resulted in a more fanatic president in Iran. Remeber Khatami also once tried to have a civilized discussion with US and was turned down and he never called for the annihilation of Israel. Maybe it's in the interest of Bush, Israel and company to have a fanatic at the top of Iran so they can keep the war and fear mongering going and sell their military hardware.
 
2006-08-29 06:59:00 PM  
The fact that it was in the news is even dumber, IMO.
 
2006-08-29 07:00:19 PM  
bakedwaldo
Somehow I doubt it. Where did you get that idea?

All I have seen democrats say so far is that he speaks better english than Bush. Or that he is smart. But everybody agrees he is way out there. So stop being a dumbass.
 
2006-08-29 07:01:10 PM  
www.dmoma.org
 
2006-08-29 07:02:49 PM  
detrater

The fact that it was in the news is even dumber, IMO.


one President challenges another to a televised debate is not news ?

I'm sorry. Suck it up, that's news. That's way more news than John Karr. You might not the news. I don't like the news, but it's news.
 
2006-08-29 07:03:11 PM  
Did any one watch that interveiw with Ahaninejad(sp?) on C-SPAN? Shifty guy.
 
2006-08-29 07:04:15 PM  
I think debate is too dangerous. We should just go straight to war instead.

/snark
 
2006-08-29 07:04:56 PM  
lazymojo: If you don't believe that the US government has a substantial say in what NBC, ABC, CBS, and FOX put on the news or "allow to be shown" you have your head in the sand.

If there is diversity and competition in the media business, then explain how each news network covers the same story in mostly the same way. How is it that the major news network all carry a similar tone, cast similar doubts and show basically all the same footage. Does it really take a genius like Stephen Colbert to montage clips of the morning news anchors to show that they're all reading from what's essentially the same script?
 
2006-08-29 07:07:46 PM  
Didn't Saddam Hussein propose a TV debate with Bush just before Hussein got bombed the hell out of office? Or was that an old-west-style showdown he proposed?
 
2006-08-29 07:08:32 PM  
The Ahmadinejad lovefest in this thread is almost enough to make me a neocon.

I say we allow Iran to have nukes. Frankly, it's more of a problem for Europe than it is for us, and I have no real desire to see American Empire extended in that part of the world.

MAD would not even be a concern, as we have enough convention weaponry to make rubble out of most Iranian cities -- never mind the nukes. Frankly, if Iran orchestrates the death of 1 million Americans I would have no problem with seeing 20 million Iranians dead.

Permanent Neutrality.

The United States would be a more secure nation if it were to adopt these two words as guidewords for foreign policy.

Switzerland has maintained its independence since 1215 by using it -- save for a 20 year period during the Napoleonic era. The United States, by virtue of its immense size, nuclear deterrent and natural resource base, would be able to avoid getting pushed around, as Ireland and Switzerland were during World War II.

If we do not butt into arguments that are not our concern, we would then be more likely to be left alone in turn. Those who persist in harassing us would be dealt with, swiftly.

We should also open up a 5 year immigration window to Israelis. I'd like to see some highly skilled Israeli immigrants to balance out the semi- and unskilled immigrants we've been getting from Mexico. Israelis who remain would then be on their own.
 
2006-08-29 07:08:32 PM  
ski_adk115 I think, you mis-understood lazymojo and he was saying pretty much what you are saying that US government is indeed spoon-feeding the population by dictating them what to say.
 
2006-08-29 07:08:48 PM  
VideoVader
Ahmadinejad DOES give a shiat about us; he wants us either converted or dead


Oh please. THAT's the foundation you build your perceptions on ?


Oh sweet jebus! we should never go below amber alert!!
 
2006-08-29 07:10:28 PM  
If there is diversity and competition in the media business, then explain how each news network covers the same story in mostly the same way. How is it that the major news network all carry a similar tone, cast similar doubts and show basically all the same footage. Does it really take a genius like Stephen Colbert to montage clips of the morning news anchors to show that they're all reading from what's essentially the same script?

Gee, how come pepsi and beer come in the same type of can? Government regulation I tells ya. That is the only explanation, there is no other.
 
2006-08-29 07:10:28 PM  
Bush would just wear a hidden wireless earpiece anyway, like he does in every debate and a lot of his press conferences and speeches too.

They don't trust him not to fark up.
 
2006-08-29 07:10:57 PM  
aquanaut : .....and then Iran boycotts selling us oil...

How much oil do we buy from Iran?
 
2006-08-29 07:11:00 PM  
stpickrell The Ahmadinejad lovefest in this thread is almost enough to make me a neocon.


If what you have read in this thread is interpreted as a "lovefest" for Ahmadinejad, then I think you have mis-used the modifier "almost"
 
2006-08-29 07:12:02 PM  
www.galleryofmallory.com

"Lemme finish, lemme finish..."
 
2006-08-29 07:12:20 PM  
dbaggins: Yeah I guess so.
\But only a fool would allow an advisor to have them change course mid-journey.
\\Makes you wonder just how far the hand is up the puppets ass, and if there was ever any concern ragarding "legacy" in the first place?
 
2006-08-29 07:13:00 PM  
ski_adk115: Consider that all three are seeking to achieve the highest Market Share. Therefore, the Marketing Men will give the same advice to those in charge of the general consumption news outlets.

We must also consider that in 1900, unless you lived in a city with more than 25,000 people (something like 25% or so of the population, IIRC), you had exactly ONE source of timely information, that being the local weekly or maybe the daily that covered your town and three or four towns around it. Newspapers from big cities might filter in -- a week or two (or more) after the fact. But nothing like today, where I can log on and obtain news from any newspaper with a circulation of over 100,000 -- both here AND abroad, websites with their own spin (WND.com, freerepublic.com, democraticunderground.com, dailykos, etc., etc.)

My point is that there has never been a halcyon time when information flowed freely and all were able to drink from multiple fountains of their choosing.
 
2006-08-29 07:14:14 PM  

DaveCan83


Didn't Saddam Hussein propose a TV debate with Bush just before Hussein got bombed the hell out of office? Or was that an old-west-style showdown he proposed?


it was the showdown thing. Given Saddam's background as Baath party enforcer and thug, I suspect he was a much better shot than the yankee cowboy.
 
2006-08-29 07:14:19 PM  
whyarefartslumpy: How much oil do we buy from Iran?


Couldnt find an exact amount. But it looks like in 2003 total oil imports to the US from all Persian Gulf countries was ~20% according to this site
 
2006-08-29 07:14:24 PM  
stpickrell, your outright racism shown in this thread shows that you are worse than your enemy. I wish you get your wish and all of the Israelies would migrate to US to help you. That would at least resolve the entire middle east problem and world peace would come after.
 
2006-08-29 07:15:38 PM  
AtomicPenguin:
"The positive outcome would be for us in America. American foreign policy would become transparent enough to the average citizen here that it's not about what Bush and his guys are doing, but what America is doing. Maybe too optimistic, but it'd give some of the control of our global stance back to the people here were we to have a better understanding of what it was that we were actually doing abroad."

I couldn't agree more.

Although, consider the fact that you might not like what you uncover. For instance, PERHAPS this global military positioning is for the good of preserving your American way of life.(?) ie, perhaps your economy is on it's way to the shiatter, while Iran's (your arch enemy) is on it's way up.(When Iraq was under U.N. sanctions, neighbouring countries - like Iran and Syria - were getting a pretty good deal on Saddam's under the table black market oil...which of course would get sold to countries like China, meanwhile the U.S.'s economy was doing the reverse). PERHAPS if not for this seemingly "corrupt" foreign policy, you could be looking at entering into another great depression, a way of life where you couldn't even feed your family any more...all the while the middle eastern countries are becoming the new fast food nation. You think they'd show any compassion for your survival?

Clearly I'm just playing the Devil's advocate here, but I assure you; life globally isn't all puppy dogs and roses.
I'm sure it wouldn't take you long to realize that it's much better to conquer than to accept the possibility of being conquered.

Ofcourse the idea that Bush and his Cronies are making out like bandits, and lying to the American people during all of this, doesn't paint a very good picture either.
 
2006-08-29 07:16:23 PM  
MrNiceGuy: I am racist for wanting to leave Iran alone?
 
2006-08-29 07:17:14 PM  
grytpype-thynne what is that?
 
2006-08-29 07:18:02 PM  
The sad thing is that no mater how crazy and pathetic that guy is, he would still have pwned Bush. If there was a President with some minimal communication skills and understanding of the world in the white house, it could have being interesting though.
 
2006-08-29 07:18:17 PM  
 
2006-08-29 07:18:31 PM  
dbaggins
Oh sweet jebus! we should never go below amber alert!!

Ahmadinejad is kidnapping children now? That's it; commence bombing!
 
2006-08-29 07:20:21 PM  
stpickrell: If we do not butt into arguments that are not our concern, we would then be more likely to be left alone in turn.

The reason we keep butting our heads into "other people's problems" is due to intepretation of macro economics, and how the US ultimately feels those other peoples problems will affect our markets.

This is especially true as what was once local capital resource and raw material markets are now part of global economies.
 
2006-08-29 07:20:51 PM  
DaveCan83

Didn't Saddam Hussein propose a TV debate with Bush just before Hussein got bombed the hell out of office? Or was that an old-west-style showdown he proposed?
Neo-Cons like to think its becuase they hate our freedom.


I'd like to hear what Saddam, Noriega and Osama have to say in a candid talk. They could tell us everything about their relationship with the CIA and what they gave them in return for their loyalty. That is before they turned the tables on them and said now they are bad...I know it will never happen but I can dream.

/It's funny how we never heard a peep from Noriega after being imprisoned.
 
2006-08-29 07:23:33 PM  
stpickrell MrNiceGuy: I am racist for wanting to leave Iran alone?

Not for wanting to leave Iran alone but the remarks regarding the Mexican, and Iranians is the racism. In fact I 100% agree with that the only solution to the problem is the permanent neutrality since US policies have always been bad and has backfired and created more instability and insecurity for US than security (the main source of insecurity has been US foreign policies). Maybe it is intentional and for some personal benefits from the corporation who sell the arms and benefit from instability? I don't know.
 
2006-08-29 07:23:47 PM  
scseth: Switzerland is able to maintain a high standard of living despite not feeling the need to interfere in other people's problems. With our much more massive resource base (both human and physical), maintaining Permanent Neutrality should be all the easier for the US.

I fail to see why the Europeans and Canadians who complain of American interference and how Bush has screwed up the world are not supporting my views.

(The reason I reject the UN out of hand is that imperialism in blue helmetted form will be as detested as imperialism in neocon form.)
 
2006-08-29 07:24:09 PM  
id like to submit Miss Poland as a write-in for president of the US in 2008.
/id watch her state of the union undressed...er address
 
2006-08-29 07:28:18 PM  
Shudder the thought of president Amadjihad and miss Poland. She's dressed just fine thank you. No she does not need her entire body and head covered in black.
 
2006-08-29 07:28:40 PM  
Illfindsomething:

The Man from Crawford doesn't need to speak the Queen's English...he can let the bombs speak for him. I say if the brownies in Iran want a confrontation, hell with a debate. Let's give them a front row seat...Chief Mate, flood tubes 1, 2, 3, and 4. Weapons officer, give me a firing solution...target Iran.

BTW, if I graded the grammar and spelling of half of the dickweeds posting here, I'd need about 20 grosses of RED PENS.
 
2006-08-29 07:29:26 PM  
She looks a lot like this gal I used to work with, but with much nicer boobies.
 
2006-08-29 07:30:23 PM  
MrNiceGuy
Most Mexican immigrants *ARE* unskilled, or at the least uneducated. It will take 2-3 generations for them to fully assimilate into American society (this has been the timeframe needed for the Ellis/Angel Island waves to assimilate.)

OTOH, our job at assimilating Indo-European language speaking, Christian immigrants is much easier than Europe's job at assimilating non-Indo-European speaking, non-Christian immigrants.

As for Iranians, I predicated my comment on Iran causing the deaths of 1 million Americans. Otherwise, I see no problem with allowing them whatever regime they want, or with them possessing a Pakistani-sized nuclear arsenal.

As for profit, peace is much more profitable.

As for world peace, there will be other sources of insecurity. Count on it.

I just do not want my country pursuing dreams of empire that are costly to me, as a US taxpayer, and dangerous to me, as a US citizen.
 
2006-08-29 07:31:24 PM  
DaveCan83 Didn't Saddam Hussein propose a TV debate with Bush just before Hussein got bombed the hell out of office? Or was that an old-west-style showdown he proposed?

No, but he did offer to let us verify he didn't have any WMD by letting US troops to search for them, and offered to have free elections in two years.

Which happen to be the only things the invasion accomplished.

If Bush (Cheney, really) had accepted the offer, he would have accomplished everything the invasion accomplished, with NO loss of life or hundreds of billions spent.

Bush and Cheney are the biggest farkups in US history. No one else comes close.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1079769,00.html

Washington dismissed Iraq's peace feelers, including elections and weapons pledge, put forward via diplomatic channels and US hawk Perle

Julian Borger in Washington, Brian Whitaker and Vikram Dodd
Friday November 7, 2003
The Guardian

In the few weeks before its fall, Iraq's Ba'athist regime made a series of increasingly desperate peace offers to Washington, promising to hold elections and even to allow US troops to search for banned weapons. But the advances were all rejected by the Bush administration, according to intermediaries involved in the talks.

...

Iraqi intelligence was also offering privately to allow several thousand US troops into the country to take part in the search for banned weapons.

Baghdad even proposed staging internationally-monitored elections within two years.

"All these offers had at bottom the same thing - that Saddam would stay in power, and that was unacceptable to the administration," Mr Cannistraro said. "There were serious attempts to cut a deal but they were all turned down by the president and vice president."
 
2006-08-29 07:31:28 PM  
stpickrell

Have the Mexicans started to go to Iran now?
 
2006-08-29 07:32:34 PM  
muck4doo: No. Why do you ask?
 
2006-08-29 07:33:24 PM  
I think Bush and Chainey are farkups, but I think as far as the death toll goes, they've got a long ways to go to catch up with the death toll in Vietnam.
 
2006-08-29 07:33:36 PM  
stpickrell: I fail to see why the Europeans and Canadians who complain of American interference and how Bush has screwed up the world are not supporting my views.

Not sure, I think they would.

Interestingly, both Switzerland and Canada are much more socialistic democracies than the US. Unfortunately, true socialist ideals never fly in the US because it puts the group before the person and we hold our individualist opportunities so high. The US Consitution places a heavy emphasis on the invididual that still seeps deeply into the cultural landscape, for better or worse.

However, there must be a middle ground. WWI showed that we are too dependent on how the rest of the world is doing to be true isolationist, and our foreign policies of the 80s putting puppet governments in the middle east and central america continues to backfire on us.
 
2006-08-29 07:34:34 PM  
MrNiceGuy
Remeber Khatami also once tried to have a civilized discussion with US and was turned down and he never called for the annihilation of Israel.

Our treatment of Khatami was just... sad. He was the best thing to happen to Iran in a century and we treated him like Khomeni, playing right into the hands of his opposition...you know, the ones we REALLY don't like.

Pathetic.
 
2006-08-29 07:35:46 PM  
stpickrell

I don't think they grow much lettuce over there, and they don't carry Budweiser.

/Mexican myself.
//I know what we like. :)
 
2006-08-29 07:36:16 PM  
grytpype-thynne what is that?

That's a pic of Bush at one of the debates with Kerry showing his wireless earphone hookup, which he wore under his suit.

The man is so farking dumb he has to have a prompter feed him his lines.

You don't expect to see someone this retarded be in control of a modern country... he's like some inbred freak from medieval times who inherited the monarchy of some shiatehole country.
 
2006-08-29 07:37:24 PM  
Do any of you really think Bush is calling the shots in this administration?
 
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