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2006-08-28 04:06:45 PM
Considering Katrina hit three states, that's a long drive to "where the storm isn't."
 
2006-08-28 04:07:12 PM
DayeOfJustice

Wait, what's wrong with that?

It's the wording. How well do you think it would have gone over if the mayor had said he wants it to remain a vanilla city.
 
2006-08-28 04:08:00 PM
OUCH the kids get home from school and my typing goes to crap. Oh well my HTML still worked >.
 
2006-08-28 04:08:29 PM
The World Trade Center site is "a hole in the ground". This is factual. It is not open for debate.

But that's not the point. The point is that Nagin is an asshole. He got defensive and confrontational with the 60 Minutes reporter without just provocation.

New York as an entity never accused Nagin of botching the rebuilding of New Orleans. Mayor Bloomberg never criticized him. For Nagin to try to deflect the discussion away from his job performance, and point an accusatory finger at another city with its own logistical problems to deal with... that's just a shiatty thing to do.
 
2006-08-28 04:09:36 PM
Gwendolyn

It is easy to drive a school bus. The city didn't have to give their written permission, just leave the keys in the busses. I'd rather be alive to defend myself in court then dead or worse yet alive and thinking of all the people I could have saved by driving the buss. As far as destination goes, any where away from the storm. Looting is illegal, but cops and others got away with it. Taking law abiding citizens guns away from them is illegal, but cops got away with it. I can't imaging anyone but the greedy insurance companies carrying about someone driving a school bus without a commercial license.
 
2006-08-28 04:10:20 PM
twilson2: Rich people who complain about their taxes are lost individuals

Lost to whom? And where do you get off thinking that quietly paying taxes and actively engaging in philanthropy are the same thing?
 
2006-08-28 04:10:21 PM
YouPeopleAreCrazy

Would you do that every year? Because that's how often a hurricane has a good chance of hitting with 24 hours' notice.

Hey, make it a yearly surprise vacation. Whatever it takes, right?
 
2006-08-28 04:11:21 PM
whidbey
OK, fine. Great. So, when does New Orleans get rebuilt?

Oh, we're still going to talk about it, I see.


So when is the omnistulta whidbey heading to NOLA?
 
2006-08-28 04:12:38 PM
It's easy to drive a school bus, yet your average driver's license doesn't cover it and you need a different one plus training in order to drive one successfully. Guess that's all just red tape noise.

Lots of paper heroes around here saying "I would've driven a school bus, ha HA!", and when you check their profiles, you get Virginia, New Mexico, etc.
 
2006-08-28 04:13:45 PM
What the....

I'm not sure the link works on my computer until I try to link it in HTML. If you GIS Katrina mail truck, you get the results.
 
2006-08-28 04:15:02 PM
twilson2
Then it's time for you to make a better life for others.

Thats the whole point of life all over the globe for centurys


Yeah, Stalin and Hitler really used that as a mantra, didn't they.

/I like complaining about taxes, cuz they suck
//Do you actually love paying your taxes?
///Bet you don't
 
2006-08-28 04:16:40 PM
twilson2:

Then it's time for you to make a better life for others.

Should I have taken time off from work, driven down there and drove them all somewhere?

Thats the whole point of life all over the globe for centurys

Know who Joseph Cambell is. Worlds foremost expert on the worlds religions and cultures.

That is the main theme in all of them. Sacrifice.

Selfish conservatism is agianst all the worlds religion tradition.

Rich people who complain about their taxes are lost individuals


I'm not rich by any means, but I do know what my responsibilities. They don't include taking care of those with no inclination to do better for their selves and their offspring. What of their responsibilities? I have my own lifeand responsibilities to maintain. And don't give me any religious garbage. Religion is just another form of shirking personal responsibility, cloaked in false fatalism. ("God" wants it this way; not that way.)

I wanted better, I got off my ass and achieved better. I didn't whine or expect others to raise my station in life. I expect my peers to do the same. If someone won't do so, then they're not my peer, are they?
 
2006-08-28 04:17:03 PM

clicky pop


HA! This works. Too late for my point, but I feel better.
 
2006-08-28 04:19:04 PM
If you do a GIS for Katrina mail truck you see many articles with pictures of these guys in NO driving out praising them for their ingenuity. Texas state law enforcement doesn't see it that way,
 
2006-08-28 04:21:49 PM
HAMMERTOE

I called you racist and your son fat, because you are and he is.

I rarely post here but remember your name because I disagree with just about everything you say and most of the time your statements are along the line of "GLASS PARKING LOT" and "TEH BLACKS ARE LAZY!"

When you suggested people in NO were "too self important" to walk AWAY FROM A HUGE HURRICANE. It struck a nerve.

So to balance the world I trolled the troll. To suggest walking away from a Hurricane is a better idea than staying put is probably the dumbest most ignorant thing I have ever heard. so you got a dumb/rude ignorant statement back.

In your wordly travels have you lived in a Hurricane prone state? If you are a poor family, you can not afford to evacuate your home/life/job everytime a storm pops up.

IVAN, DENNIS, ALLISON are just 3 storms I can think of off the top of my head that *could* have hit New Orleans, Im sure there were plenty more.

He has lived in the same home since his birth. I moved through foster homes until I was 18.
SLAP 1 - Ha, you are so annoying your own parents didn't want you!

SLAP 2- You probably just keep him around to diddle with him. Do you have 3 names? You friends with John Mark Karr?

SLAP3 - You look like a character straight out of Talladega Nights, except more redneck.
 
2006-08-28 04:27:49 PM
robsul82

Do you think all profiles are accurate? I would hope that there were plenty of people in NO that would have driven those busses. Yes under normal circumstances you should have a commercial license. Those weren't normal circumstances and driving a school bus isn't that difficult. If there weren't people willing to drive the busses to help others then..oh well.
 
2006-08-28 04:30:57 PM
Well, as long as he apologized, it's ok. Right? It's always ok after he apologizes, so why should this be any different.

/wake up and go back to sleep
 
2006-08-28 04:37:27 PM
DrJesusPhD

YouPeopleAreCrazy

Would you do that every year? Because that's how often a hurricane has a good chance of hitting with 24 hours' notice.


Would I do what? Evacuate? If necessary, of course I/we would. As I said, I live in coastal Virginia. Tidewater area, specifically. Hurricanes are not an unknown factor around here. Most recently, Isabel and Floyd. Got a new roof courtesy of Madame Isabel.

We were right on the edge of evacuating. If it had been any stronger coming in, we would have left the day before.
 
2006-08-28 04:38:21 PM
Southerners had to lose a war to learn that slavery was wrong.


It takes an On Line Degree, to make this statment.
 
2006-08-28 04:41:27 PM
robsul82

Lots of paper heroes around here saying "I would've driven a school bus, ha HA!", and when you check their profiles, you get Virginia, New Mexico, etc.

Your point? Virginia has hurricanes too. Imagine that.
 
2006-08-28 04:42:01 PM
DayeOfJustice: It's pretty doubtful that any politician, especially career politicians, would break the law to save lives.


Too true
 
2006-08-28 04:42:17 PM
Here is what would have happened if they decided to drive the busses without licenses:

img462.imageshack.us

Only NOLA police probably wouldn't have been so nice about it.
 
2006-08-28 04:47:07 PM
TheWolfDog
When you suggested people in NO were "too self important" to walk AWAY FROM A HUGE HURRICANE. It struck a nerve.

I'm not adding fuel to the fire, just sharing a story.

My uncle is an non-recovering alcoholic who lives somewhere in the inner city. No one quite knows where. He distances himself from the family and shows up only once in a while. He's a real piece of work who abandoned six kids. He's in pretty shiatty health as well.

He walked 70 miles from NO to Livingston to take shelter with my grandparents. That's walked, not hitch-hiked with some family in their station wagon who gladly shared the space and threw out all their valuables.

Ironic thing is, my grandparents had earlier evacuated to Texas. So he found their house empty. Dumbass.

Anyway, it wasn't easy on him. He's a frail wrinkled old thing. No car. And he's white.

The human spirit picks up a bit in a crisis situation. It's probably the only worthwhile thing he's done in the last 30 years. That is, he wasn't one of the asshats taking shots at rescue helicopters.

/sharing over
 
2006-08-28 04:48:00 PM
In fact, Wolfdog, I lived in Panama City for 2 years (1971-1972). Does the name Agnes ring a bell? My father still lives there.

I am soooo sorry my belief in personal responsibility rubs you the wrong way. Fortunately, it has made me strong enough to take responsibility for my own future, rather than dump the responsibility off on someone else. Of course, you must fall on the other side of the line. I hope you enjoy your government cheese.

p.s. Who would you have slap me around for you? Since you obviously don't seem like the type who would take responsibility for it yourself. Hurl your insults all you like from behind the img.fark.com tag. They merely show that you have nothing of substance to contribute.

Typical.
 
2006-08-28 04:49:58 PM
robsul82

Considering Katrina hit three states, that's a long drive to "where the storm isn't."

150 miles is a "long drive"?
 
2006-08-28 04:52:56 PM
If you do a GIS for Katrina mail truck you see many articles with pictures of these guys in NO driving out praising them for their ingenuity. Texas state law enforcement doesn't see it that way,

Theft of USPS property, e.g. a mail truck, is a federal offense.

The guys who stole the truck did the right thing to haul ass out of there. The Texas police officers who detained and arrested them also did the right thing.
 
2006-08-28 04:55:15 PM
YouPeopleAreCrazy: It's the wording. How well do you think it would have gone over if the mayor had said he wants it to remain a vanilla city.

Even so, if one understands his context, doesn't that change the emotion attached to his choice of words? And I'd think it should go the same way. Many people have interpreted his comments as racist and that's what would happen in your scenario as well. I'd hope greedy developers wouldn't be allowed to force poor, working and middle-class whites out of their homes either. I believe as well that the rebuilding would be going much faster if he had given the evacuees land to those developers and I commend him for at least not doing that.

I just mean that how could someone informed about the context still believe its racist, instead of stupid?
 
2006-08-28 04:58:00 PM
NOLA = PIECE OF shiat

hurry up mr chocolate city. finish rebuilding so we can send your trash back


/thats right
//i went there
 
2006-08-28 04:59:15 PM
I think he said hat everybody has been thinking, but sometimes that isn't the smartest thing for a politician to do. Kudos though, and fark both those cities.
 
2006-08-28 05:04:25 PM
YouPeopleAreCrazy: Now...I've never driven a school bus before. But I'm pretty sure I could figure it out pretty damn quick.

So you're suggesting that Nagin allowed private citizens to illegally drive school buses?

What would've happened if one or more of thoses buses would've crashed? People injured? Killed?

I guarantee he'd be catching hell for allowing those buses to be driven by people that were properly licensed.

Out of curiosity, how many people here that are OK with unlicensed people driving those buses, were the same people that thought this guy was wrong for breaking the law?

/hates nagin, for the record.
//I miss my house.
 
2006-08-28 05:16:44 PM
YouPeopleAreCrazy: 150 miles is a "long drive"?

Ok ... So let's say you drive to Lafayette, LA (130 miles from NOLA) .. Where you gonna stay? Unless you were one of the first people to get out, the hotels from Baton Rouge to Houston were booked.

Not to mention the fact that when I evacuated, I had $20 to my name and a gas card. How would I afford a hotel? Camp out in my car for a day or two? Not likely considering I had a wife, son, and 2 dogs with me, the rest of the car was packed with whatever I could fit..

I had to go to my in-laws in Kentucky .. 600 miles.. My parents and grandparents had to go to my aunt's in Longview, TX .. about 400 miles ..
 
2006-08-28 05:16:52 PM
The wolfdog

You resorted to personal insults. OF HIS KID!! WTF. Personal insults usually mean you lost the argument, but you take the concept to a whole new level. This pretty much means you just suck at life in general.
 
2006-08-28 05:23:08 PM
That's one hell of a tar baby there...
 
2006-08-28 05:28:21 PM
DrakeKyrros

Brilliant analysis. There were some smashed cars in the street and NYC got them out of the way, therefore NYC cleaned up pretty quickly.

THERES STILL A HUGE HOLE IN THE GROUND. 5 years later. And all the damn yankees can do is complain about how long Katrina takes to clean up. That city is a mess. Parts are STILL underwater. And believe it or not, a LOT of the problems are coming from private insurance companies, not the government.


two points
1) there was a hell of a lot more damage than a few smashed cars... subway lines, main communications switching points, and a whole lot of critical infrastructure was damaged.

2) Private insurers are just as big of a problem with the WTC site as they are in Louisiana. They are part of the arguing and bickering that has prolonged this process... from arguing whether or not it was one attack or two to a variety of points on rebuilding and compensation, multiple private insurers have held up the process. Aside from that, what most non-NY'ers don't realize is that there are basically three parties represented... land developers, people from Albany, and 9/11 family members. The city and residents of the city have nearly no representation in these talks between money men, politicians from rural areas, and whiny people who think the whole world stopped the day their loved ones died.
 
2006-08-28 05:44:57 PM
looks like a hole in the ground to me:

www.jadedragon.com
 
2006-08-28 05:45:29 PM
Penn and Teller can talk to me about the 9/11 rebuilding fiasco once they stop performing magic shows in Las Vegas.
 
2006-08-28 05:48:35 PM
BenKenobi: I guarantee he'd be catching hell for allowing those buses to be driven by people that were properly licensed.

True. I'm imagining it: "OK, so your evacuation plan consisted of giving out bus keys to anyone who was at least 20 years old and claimed they had played GTA or watched Tokyo Drift? And then having Sean Penn pick up the stragglers? WTH were you thinking!?!?"
 
2006-08-28 05:49:30 PM
Teucer
Penn and Teller can talk to me about the 9/11 rebuilding fiasco once they stop performing magic shows in Las Vegas.

I had no idea they were in charge of rebuilding Vegas...
 
2006-08-28 05:51:27 PM
whidbey

Nagin needs to STFU and GBTNW.

/fixed that for you.
//Nagin is a worthless sack of crap, and deserves lashings for that comment.
///anyone who says he is anything more than a worthless sack of crap, is also a worthless sack of crap
 
2006-08-28 05:54:14 PM
haha you guys get so passinate about hurricanes and negroes lol
 
2006-08-28 05:54:38 PM
cman41886
//Nagin is a worthless sack of crap, and deserves lashings for that comment.


Possibly, but he's by no means the only worthless sack of crap involved in this whole fiasco.
 
2006-08-28 06:20:47 PM
Why apologize for stating the truth?
 
2006-08-28 06:25:15 PM
p.s. Wolfdog, were all of the people who didn't leave NO black? I don't know for sure, but you seem to. I didn't say a single word about their race; you did.

So........

1) KNEE TO THE PU$$Y- You're the racist.

2) FART TO THE FACE- ...........?!?!

You know, I was going to lower myself to your level, but now, I have to realize, you're just not worth the time. Since you seem to show a pre-disposition towards thoughts of sexual perversion/ abuse, I have to ask, were you abused, or are you just fighting the overwhelming urge to slip into your parents' bedroom one quiet night and give your own mother the night of her life? Are you a Gator fan? You know, we racing fans don't sack and burn our own cities when our favirite team wins a championship, despite your desire to portray us as ignorant hicks. In fact, success in our favorite sport requires many peopl eon the team with (gasp) master's degrees! You do know what a "Master's degree" is, right?

As for my son, I figure you're just jealous because you never got the love and dedication from your parents that he gets from his.

Keep plugging away, though. Someday, you might just figure out that the only thing holding you back is your own ignorance.
 
2006-08-28 06:27:42 PM
BenKenobi: So you're suggesting that Nagin allowed private citizens to illegally drive school buses?

No. I'm suggesting that Nagin should have followed his own emergency plan. i.e. use city and school buses to evacuate people who canot, for whatever reason, do it themselves.

Sems to me, if you have a written plan that involves using buses, you might want to consider WHO is going to drive them. You know...as part of the plan. If you failed to think of that most basic part of your plan, then you are an incompetent boob.
If you HAD thought of it, but the designated drivers fled the scene, then what was your plan b? You DID think of a plan b, right? Isn't that what we pay these clowns for?

Was there any thought of actually folowing the steps so carefully laid out? Or do you just wing it and hope for the best. It looks like he was just winging it.

Did they ask for any licensed volunteers in the community? No.
Did they give any thought to the problem at all? It appears no, they didn't.
 
2006-08-28 06:30:01 PM
BenKenobi: Ok ... So let's say you drive to Lafayette, LA (130 miles from NOLA) .. Where you gonna stay? Unless you were one of the first people to get out, the hotels from Baton Rouge to Houston were booked.

I don't get your point. You evacuated to KY. You had somewhere to go. Great.

You seem to be saying its better to stay and risk death, rather than be uncomfortable sleeping in the car for a day or two.
 
2006-08-28 06:37:12 PM
Nagin was right. Not always right but right this time.
 
2006-08-28 06:38:09 PM
For anybody else interested, I was not casting aspersions on Black people in general. To the contrary, there are quite a few black people I am proud to call my friends. What I mean specifically, is that the majority of these people, whatever color they may be, are so used to depending on others for their needs that, when it came down to a time that they needed to be self-sufficient, they were unwilling and/or unable to do so.

Unfortunately, we all pay the price.
 
2006-08-28 06:39:58 PM
The best part of this farking idiot making excuses about the cars not being gone is he could have gotten them out in less than 4 months and gotten paid for them. Instead this piece of garbage turns them down and blows a bunch of money to get them removed. He is useless

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/politics/carcrush.asp
 
2006-08-28 06:51:31 PM
I'm still wondering how Harry Connick Jr. was able to get in to help before the national guard...
 
2006-08-28 06:56:33 PM
YouPeopleAreCrazy:

You seem to be saying its better to stay and risk death, rather than be uncomfortable sleeping in the car for a day or two.

I guess I am :) ... Sounds kinda dumb in retrospect...

Course, keep in mind that for years, hurricanes have been "crying wolf" with New Orleans... It's easy to say if you were in the same situation, that you would evacuate no matter what ... Fact is, it costs money to do that ... I evacuated for Hurricane Ivan .. Took me 18 hours to make a usually 10 hour trip (8 hours of which was going from NOLA to Slidell, LA .. which is usually a 30 minute trip) .. My wife was something like 7-8 mos pregnant (which is the ONLY reason we evac'd) .. I missed 3 days of work ($240 at the job I was at at the time) .. Spent probably $120 in gas round trip ..

.. all for a storm that didn't even hit..

Now take that story, combine it with a good number of poor people in New Orleans, and fast forward a year.. Another storm is coming ... This one, too, looks like it's gonna hit .. Last year they were wrong.. You wasted $360 last year on a "dud" ... You now have the mentality of the people that didn't evacuate (that could)

I, honestly, think it was stupid of people to stay.. But I can see why they did..
 
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