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2006-08-28 10:45:58 AM
You know, I think Nagin is an arrogant and ignorant idiot, and he's said some idiotic things... but he is right on this one.

How can NYC residents criticize the rebuilding of New Orleans after one year, when they've spent five farking years
fighting over how best to rebuild two farking buildings?
 
2006-08-28 10:50:52 AM
The mayor of 'chocolate city' is clearly at it again.
 
2006-08-28 10:52:30 AM
Yea, he sort of noticed that there was another hurricane briefly headed at his city...

SpeshilEdjukashin

One thing you miss, is that when the towers came down, it wasn't all neatly into one little hole, and only affected a small block. Everything for dozens of blocks in each direction got blasted with all kinds of toxic stuff. Dozens of buildings were severely damaged, utilities knocked out to half of lower manhattan, subway lines disrupted, the lower manhattan Path system destroyed....

Within weeks to months most of that was fixed. Yes, they have been arguing over the new buildings there for a while, but thats about it. #7 (the 3rd tallest building down there) has been completely rebuilt. Path and subway restored, etc.
 
2006-08-28 10:53:34 AM
ummmm ... the world trade center site IS a hole in the ground. I was there. I saw it. It's pretty deep too.

When you dig stuff out and then spend years arguing about what should go back in, all you're left with is the hole.
 
2006-08-28 10:55:57 AM
Yeah i can see your point but also in New York you had to worry about what kind of memorial to set up, who is pleased with what, is it tastefull for EVERYONE. Hell it took almost a year to remove all the debris. Also they arent rebuilding 2 buildings, its more like six.
 
2006-08-28 11:04:53 AM
Hollywood Cole: Also they arent rebuilding 2 buildings, its more like six.

Two buildings, six buildings, whatever. It should be a hell of a lot easier than an entire city.
 
2006-08-28 11:05:19 AM
you suck, NO. somewhere in you city there was someone even dumber you could elect mayor. work harder next time
 
2006-08-28 11:05:44 AM
Other differences:

Just desigining a new building of its scale takes a year, then you must revise it to settle all kinds of concerns. Add to that the fact that NYC isn't using a giant FEMA check to rebuild the place, its being done with private money, (which also means you need to consider how to make the place profitable).

That private money is coming from insurance settlements, and the WTC was a tangle of lease agreements involving private companies, bi-state government agencies, and indviduals. It was also one hell of an insurance check, and the way it was damaged raised some very tricky legal questions regarding the insurance payouts, which, i believe are still being duked out in court to an extent.

Not to mention that it is a dellicate subject, and you can't try and decide what color to paint the construction fence around it without 14 different groups raising some sort of objection to it.
 
2006-08-28 11:07:54 AM
When it comes to this comment, Nagin has absolutely nothing to apologize for.

The other stuff...oh, my, yes.
 
2006-08-28 12:07:58 PM
"I wish I would have basically said that it was an undeveloped site, which it is,"

I was confused there for a bit, I thought he was referring to New Orleans
 
2006-08-28 12:25:04 PM
LineNoise: One thing you miss, is that when the towers came down, it wasn't all neatly into one little hole, and only affected a small block. Everything for dozens of blocks in each direction got blasted with all kinds of toxic stuff. Dozens of buildings were severely damaged, utilities knocked out to half of lower manhattan, subway lines disrupted, the lower manhattan Path system destroyed....

Within weeks to months most of that was fixed. Yes, they have been arguing over the new buildings there for a while, but thats about it. #7 (the 3rd tallest building down there) has been completely rebuilt. Path and subway restored, etc.


Oh but I do realize all of that, I spent my fair share of time trying to reach people in Manhattan on their shut down cell phones on 9/11/2001.

I was over-simplifiying to make a point which I still feel is vary valid - there is a still a 1 block hole in the ground 5 years later, even if surrounding buildings have had their windows repairs and the trains are running again.
 
2006-08-28 12:50:55 PM
Take your 'chocolate city' and shove it, Mr. Nagin. This white chocolate was planning on practicing in Louisiana and living in New Orleans.

Instead, you can turn my ex city into a 'social justice' mecca. Remember- whitey is good for something- tourist money sanitized for mass consumption.

Just be sure to raise the price of beads accordingly to pay for the Orleans schools.
 
2006-08-28 01:21:10 PM
i am ashamed to admit this.. but..

when i first read the "can't fix a hole in the ground" comment .. i really thought he meant "potholes".
 
2006-08-28 02:02:18 PM
You got chocolate in my excuses!
You got excuses in my chocolate!
 
2006-08-28 02:02:41 PM
So tired of Katrina stories...so tired.
 
2006-08-28 02:03:05 PM
Chocolate boy does have a point. All you hear about in NYC is everybody squabbling about what will go in said hole in ground.
 
2006-08-28 02:03:26 PM
Anyone see that Penn & Teller Bullshiat! episode about 9/11 rebuilding? I take everything they say with a grain of salt, but it does appear that the reason we haven't fixed it yet is because of nepotism and bureaucracy.

/i know, i know... "In THIS administration!? shock!"
 
2006-08-28 02:03:42 PM
i5.photobucket.com

/disapproves.
 
2006-08-28 02:04:38 PM
/i know, i know... "In THIS administration!? shock!"


It's being done with private money, doesn't have too much to do with the administration
 
2006-08-28 02:04:42 PM
New Orleans is so much nicer now that all the black people went to Houston.
 
2006-08-28 02:05:11 PM
It takes a lot of money and time to restore and rebuild a dump. That's not even considering attracting the crime to come back.
 
2006-08-28 02:05:13 PM
I just came here for the chocolate city pics and have been sorely dissapointed so far.
 
2006-08-28 02:05:19 PM
Nobody will ever agree. I predict nothing will be built on the WTC site, ever.
 
2006-08-28 02:05:32 PM
I saw the Ray Nagin/Kathleen Harris stupid comment smackdown this weekend. Chocolate Ray was out of his league and embarassed.
 
2006-08-28 02:07:00 PM
they should have left the "Chocolate City" a steaming fondue of swamp.
 
2006-08-28 02:07:29 PM
Trouble is, NYC wasn't criticizing Nagin's ability to rebuild New Orleans. If anyone was, it was the host of the 60 Minutes segment.

Either way, his comment was still dumb as hell.
 
2006-08-28 02:07:30 PM
Amazing.

I only read an article in Esquire and I'm more educated on this topic than Nagin or half the people in this thread.
 
2006-08-28 02:08:51 PM
Ohh yea...

i4.photobucket.com
 
2006-08-28 02:08:57 PM
Can somebody post that 'chocolate city' graphic with Nagin munching a hershey bar?

Always kills me. Thanks.
 
2006-08-28 02:09:25 PM
There may be issues with the site in NYC but the comparison was completely retarded. It was beyond stupid for him to say it in the first place.

Apparently Nagin says more stupid things before breakfast than I say all week. And trust me, I say a lot of stoopid shiat.
 
2006-08-28 02:09:55 PM
Mr. Clarence Butterworth: Nobody will ever agree. I predict nothing will be built on the WTC site, ever.

It's not like NYC is clamouring for more office space.
 
2006-08-28 02:09:57 PM
I really don't think this was that bad of a statement. The chocolate city one was silly, but all in all harmless. Same goes for this hole in the ground statement.

He wouldn't have said anything if someone from NY wasn't putting New Orleans and Nagin down by saying, "see, we did it so much better, what's that guy's problem?"
 
2006-08-28 02:09:59 PM
I'm amazed Nagin got re-elected. Is he the best NO has to offer?

/christ, he makes Bush look like a genius.
 
2006-08-28 02:09:59 PM
Dude, there's only four people in the country less educated than Nagin.
 
2006-08-28 02:10:20 PM
^^


cool, dude
 
2006-08-28 02:10:34 PM
Dr.Knockboots

Same here, sadly.
 
2006-08-28 02:10:54 PM
There should be some kind of generally approved apology format that you can invoke when you are afraid of making it worse.

Like: "that was insensitive of me. I am sorry."
 
2006-08-28 02:11:07 PM
Neither Nagin nor Landrieu should have been given consideration to run in the past election.

They are both political failures who both should be in jail.
 
2006-08-28 02:11:19 PM
Con Ed cant even keep man hole covers from electrocuting people in NYC. The fact that the myriad of Unions, Local, State and Federal Agencies, victims groups, builders, developers, property owners etc cant come to consesus is no suprise.
 
2006-08-28 02:11:43 PM
Mr. Clarence Butterworth: Dude, there's only four people in the country less educated than Nagin.

But ain't none of 'em in the state of Louisiana!
 
2006-08-28 02:11:57 PM
Nagin is correct on this one (and maybe the only time).
 
2006-08-28 02:12:19 PM
I guess you're number 3?
 
2006-08-28 02:12:23 PM
KiwDaWabbit
New Orleans is so much nicer now that all the black people went to Houston.


I saw the 60 Minutes interview with Nagin last night. According to some people, your comment isn't that far off. They were saying that all the rebuilding is being done with rich white folk money. They are expecting NO to become a white man's Vegas in the south for the next forty years or so.

Nagin of course said he is trying to get the minorities back, but its hard to do since they don't have money just to up and relocate again, especially since the most poverty stricken parts of town are still in shambles.
 
2006-08-28 02:12:54 PM
From what I've seen, NYC cleaned up pretty quickly. There are n't smashed cars still sitting in the streets. The main difference I think is that New Yorkers don't expect everyone else to do the work for them. New Yorkers are better at arguing, otherwise they would have already redeveloped the WTC site.
 
2006-08-28 02:12:59 PM
DeanMoriarty

For awhile, all I knew about Bill Frist was what I had read in Esquire. And I thought, here's a brilliant humanitarian; a republican I could actually be satisfied with as president.

Esquire. I'm just sayin'.
 
2006-08-28 02:15:47 PM
However, NYCers are just fighting over land use, essentially. Most of New Orleans still smells like a bum's street mattress that was set on fire and put out with used toilet water from a double header at the ballpark.
 
2006-08-28 02:16:01 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2006-08-28 02:17:05 PM
Anyone else think there should be a "foot in mouth" tag for occasions such as this?
 
2006-08-28 02:17:19 PM
I wish all the black people would leave here.....


/Isn't a racist
//Just culturally educated
 
2006-08-28 02:17:23 PM
You know what

Please in general need to Die in a F**ing Fire.

I dislike Nagin as much as the next guy, but forcing people in the publics eye to be so fing careful about each and everyhing thing they say even when it had no meaning has got to stop!
This is rediculus.
 
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