GOOD. Nothing pisses me off than canonfreaks who ruin the entertainment of a work of fiction by bogging it down with several billion filters. It's one thing to maintain consistency over series, but Trekkers take it too far. They are to sci-fi what fundamentalists are to religion. They had their dark ages with Voyager; hopefully, the enlightenment is just around the corner.

Go for it. Screw the Trekkies.

Put an entertaining and engaging piece of sci-fi out there, and you'll get my cash.

/it's gonna bomb

Another Star Trek film? Gads. Set phasers to "stupid".

Uh oh, the Trekkies are gonna be PISSED.

/yeah, I said "Trekkies"

this is going to suck, god damnit.

I like all the star trek movies and series except for the last one 'enterprise'. that series was farking stupid. if they want to keep ratings high they need to make another movie or series like the next generation or voyager.

Well...as a Trekkie, I'm actually looking forward to it. A reboot is exactly what the franchise needs. Voyager and Enterprise really put a damper on the whole Star Trek universe. All I have to say is: woot!

Star Trek needs new blood, and this is something that I can see doing just that.

I'd be game to see something daring and gritty. The sanitized crap we've been getting is for primary school kids.

Well no-one told you Starfleet was going to be this way
*clap-clap-clap-clap*
Your girl's a whore, you're poor
And you cannae give her any moooore
Looks like you're always stuck at Sub-Warp Two
And you always have to fight Klingons and that little sod Q...

Oh, I'll beam down for you
(when the crystals get full)
I'll beam down for you
(even though it's illogical)
I'll beam down for you
Cos you'd beam down for me toooo....

/kill me, kill me now

Why, if you wanted something new, just make a new story. There's no need to ruin ST with this.

/anyway, that story seems hella-fake.

When asked about the feelings of the remaining Star Trek fans, the source quipped: "Trek fans were not able to keep the last show (Enterprise) on the air and we are looking on bringing over Alias and Lost fans and if the old Trekkies like the new movie great, if not too bad. We have to boldly go were no Star Trek has gone before."

Funny, I thought "Enterprise" was an attempt to bring over the Alias and Lost type crowd. Which is why it failed so miserably.

If you want ST to stop going downhill, then quit making shows and movies that suck. It isn't that complicated. Why not just concentrate on making a good movie instead of trying to reinvent the wheel?

ThatDevGuy
Maybe we need to... call it something other than "Star Trek"?


Why can't more people with common sense like that make movies?


ScreamingInDigital
Funny, I thought "Enterprise" was an attempt to bring over the Alias and Lost type crowd. Which is why it failed so miserably.


Seriously... Message to this story's source: "Maybe the Enterprise series wasn't all that great, or just maybe it was just missing what made the originals so good in the first place."

Personally, I'm a big fan of the first two series' (the original series and the Next Generation), but after that they just started losing my interest. The plans for this prequel though, with a young Captain Kirk and Spock at Starfleet Academy, had piqued my interest a bit... I was just hoping that they could capture the "Did he just spill his drink on me? Set phasers on shake and bake" attitude of the original series. TNG was a little touchy-feely for me, but had a lot of episodes with pretty good writing. You could tell that they were putting a lot of effort into TNG.

I wish they hadn't wrapped up the dominion war and instead made it a movie. It would have been glorious.

I've seen DS9 episodes that were better than most of the movies.

First and formost, dukefluke I'd like my new keyboard to be one of those fancy gaming ones.

At anywho, when I was a kid, my parents had taped all of the original eps off the air and I watched them all. I got a little older, and TNG came out. I grew up on that. I always liked DS9. The movies were cool.

Except the last one. That one made me physically ill.

These things having been said, I for one welcome our new Star Trek Rebooting Overlords. Given that the last movie might as well been the lead-in to "The Search for Data," I'm tired of the same stuff being recycled. Bring me something new.

/For a few months, back in college, I actually did live in my Mom's basement.
//After about two, I bought a house 400+ miles away.

mongbiohazard: but after that they just started losing my interest.

Right about the time Gene Roddenberry died... The whole point of the series storyline was about how humanity had hope even though it was so farked up. Once they started making it darker (DS9 and beyond) it started to suck and never pulled itself out of that rut.

Radioactive Ass


That's it exactly! I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but that's it. At the end of the day, TOS and TNG were pretty optimistic affairs... TOS was a little less PC, which I think is why it appeals to me a little more, but it was still full of naive optimism for humanity's future.

And by "We are going to introduce Star Trek to a whole new generation" you just KNOW that means it will be darker and with more gratuitous T&A.

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of trekkies suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.

/Oh wait, wrong series.

...and I say
Bounce a graviton particle beam
Off the main deflector dish
That's the way we do things, lad
We're making shiat up as we wish

The Klingons and the Romulans
Pose no threat to us
'Cause when we find
We're in a bind
We're totally screwed
But never mind
We'll pull something
Out of our behiiiiiiiind...

...

We'll just make some shiat up!

/Voltaire R0x0rz!!!11eleventy!

Earth: final conflict was a series with a lot of potential...but it just got wierd and stupid after the first season.

Trek on the other hand HAS been going downhill for a long time...basically since they put it on UPN.

I personally don't care all that much for the originals. Sorry trekkies...they just don't interest me. TNG and DS9 were my favorites.

I think a reboot a la battlestar galactica will do wonders for the series.

There is NO way that JJ Abrams, having directed the first episode of LOST, could make a Star Trek movie any worse than Nemesis.

The first episode of LOST blows ST:Nemesis clear out of the water.

No, make that EVERY episode, as well as any other movie that came out in the same year as Nemesis. What a load of junk that movie was.

Good plan. First piss of the dedicated fans in the hopes that you can get new ones to replace them.

Yep, because that's been such a failure with Battlestar Galactica.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, put Wil in the picture or I ain't watching it.

Star Trek: Nemesis would have been better if the enemy had been the Pakleds... Yeah! The Pakleds! I mean, the Romulans are pussies... The Pakleds held Geordi hostage and phasered the shiat out of him! That's more balls than the Romulans have.

JJ Abrams has the right idea, it worked for Battlestar Galactica and for Batman. Sometimes you have to Erase a cluttered chalkboard.

There was a point in the Star Trek Universe when the storyline played itself out. It's why we ended up with Temporal wars and crap like that.

A fresh approach is needed, if it fails, nothing has been lost because the Star Trek francise is currently dead.

ADAMA IS NOT PLEASED.

And Star Trek fans will LOVE IT! See how much they loved Enterprise?

...oh wait...

/Liked ST:Enterprise
//Dislikes whiney Trekkers who endlessly pontificate on canon

Why would you write a Star Trek movie, if it's not about Star Trek?
Methinks this is just an excuse for over used CGI, loose plot, and mass toy marketing.

I actually liked a lot of Enterprise... *shrugs*

DS9 was the last ST show or movie I enjoyed and I never really appreciated that show until it went into reruns.

Speaking as a Trekkie, Star Trek needs a reboot in the worst way...by being LEFT ALONE for a good 5 years at least. Just put it down and walk the hell away. Nemesis had such potential. And yet..pleh. Ditto Insurrection; it was good, but could've been so much better. Oh yeah, and someone should really get around to killing Rick Berman. That'd be a huge help.

"Did he say an entire ReBoot?"

Yes, I believe he did.

IAmSuperBeast
Rick Berman and Brannon Braga have already been told to DIAF... they're not coming back.

browser_snake
Good plan. First piss of the dedicated fans in the hopes that you can get new ones to replace them.

Yep, because that's been such a failure with Battlestar Galactica.

Differences being:
BSG was a darker, more dystopian story from the start. Star Trek was unabashedly optimistic. Modern remakes are almost always more "gritty" and "realistic". In BSG's case this worked fine, it was an extension of the material it was adapted from, and so could worked with it. In ST's case this would be missing the point of the material they're working with.

ST *still* has more fans to this day to potentially turn off with poorly conceived changes. BSG never achieved the kind of success that ST did. The new version of BSG also happens to be a popular series - for cable. Some of the various ST iterations were popular for broadcast channels... big difference. It's a lot easier and cheaper to satisfy a small niche fanbase then it is a mass market one.

The original BSG had one season... ST - between just the original series and TNG - had 10 seasons and numerous full length movies. BSG had a lot less to work with, and hence a lot less to change and a lot more room for ideas. ST already HAS a full compliment of ideas... There were some really great episodes, and a decent movie or two - and of course one *great* movie (ST2:WOK of course).

The original BSG was simply not on the same level as ST. ST was more cerebral, and cutting edge for it's time. It had better writing by far. BSG was entertaining, it was just a 6.5 where ST was a 9.5. The new BSG series has stepped it up and has writing FAR superior to the original, even taking into account the different times at which they were produced.

TNG was good because it was about the people, the situations, and the morality/philosophy or whatever. It was NOT about dazzling people with the technology or special effects. It was more about individual relationships than interstellar politics. Really, that's what sci-fi it supposed to be about - moral/ethical/relational plots that can only happen with later technology. (like the episode with two Rikers, or the episode about Data's "civil" rights)

If they can manage to put that into a new series, I'll watch. I kinda doubt they'll pull it off.

*thwack*

Back to your basements!

Ok -just so I have this straight. We have the guy who made "Mission Impossible III" (Petty crappy, but stylish and energetic) making a new Star Trek film (reboot - as in on ship, no academy, people; reading comprehension helps...) featuring the guy who played Bourne as "the fighting" captain back when they played fast and loose with the prime directive and were big on cowboy diplomacy.

And this could not be a good thing why? shiat will blow up - punches will be thrown. The original Enterprise will be on hand, updated and slick; the bridge will not look like marbles set in plywood.

Buy some damn popcorn, kids. This could be a kick.

Does that mean... Snakes of a Starship?

crap crap crap...

Snakes ON a Starship

/what is wrong with my fingers lately....?

Here's some ideas for the reboot:
Capt. Kirk is now an openly gay "bear". Uhura is now a man in full Mandinka warrior garb complete with feathered headdress, spear and animal-skin shield. Yeoman Rand is now a post-modern fundamentalist Muslim in a psychadelic burkha. Chekhov is replaced with Mr. Leslie, who is now a 7 foot tall Nordic goddess. Sulu is a CGI pure energy being. Spock is now a sentient potted fiscus tree.

Think of the possibilites!

mongbiohazard:
The plans for this prequel though, with a young Captain Kirk and Spock at Starfleet Academy, had piqued my interest a bit... I was just hoping that they could capture the "Did he just spill his drink on me? Set phasers on shake and bake" attitude of the original series.

I'm personally hoping for a whole hour of Dax parading around in a Starfleet-issue miniskirt, every week. That'd do it for me.

You guys are all missing the point.

"The Franchise" should go away. Star Trek is fine, canon and all, look at all the fan-based films being made. What the problem is is that they turned Star Trek into this messed up conformist-universe where the Federation supposedly celebrates diversity but everyone is always dressed alike all the time.

The real spirit of Trek is about open horizons and exploration and learning new things, that never goes away, it is one of the positive attributes about humanity.

"The Franchise" is about some fscked up dystopia.