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2006-08-21 04:05:00 PM
fireclown

sorry i didnt see the DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS sign,

Ill put away my breadbag.
 
2006-08-21 04:05:17 PM
vanity: People should fight battles that apply to them.

As an American, this applies to me.
 
2006-08-21 04:05:22 PM
vanity: You're not. You never have been and you never will be. Why don't you go champion a cause that actually APPLIES to you. I don't know if you do it to make yourself think you're a better person or what, but it's totally retarded.

I, for once, am speechless.
 
2006-08-21 04:05:59 PM
Stryyder: who cares what happens to the child murderer.....

When it comes to throwing away Due Process, I do. Because it sets precedent for how everyone and anyone else can be treated.
 
2006-08-21 04:06:01 PM
Why do you think they chose him? Young guy with a criminal past, converted to Islam, looks like a terrorist, he's perfect!

Remember, they arrested him when a lot of people were biatching about government intelligence agencies not sharing information. At the press conference after he was caught Ashcroft held his arrest up as an example of DHS working with other intelligence agencies to "get the bad guys". If it wasn't Padilla, it would have been any other young muslim with a criminal past.

Just because someone was a criminal doesn't make it okay to lock them up for something they didn't do, jackass.


***********

Of course as a rationale intelligent person your argument is correct however my gut reaction as a father of a 3 year old is that anyone that murders a child shouldn't see the light of day. That is what happens when your emotions take over.
 
2006-08-21 04:06:07 PM
Legalize It
vanity
Just when I think the internets can't get any dumber, you prove me wrong.


C'mon, the poor guy can't help it, he's Mexican.

I can say that because I'm Hawaiian.

/figure that one out!
//kidding
 
2006-08-21 04:06:19 PM
vanity

Although my 2nd post about schools and internets was a joke, my first one really wasn't. I can't understand why white people FREAK out on here about arabs being arrested then charges dropped. You act as if you're in danger of having the same thing happen to you at any moment.

You're not. You never have been and you never will be. Why don't you go champion a cause that actually APPLIES to you. I don't know if you do it to make yourself think you're a better person or what, but it's totally retarded.

People should fight battles that apply to them. Otherwise you're just another mouthpiece in the way.


That is the stupidist shiat I've ever read in my life. You know why Martin and Malcolm needed the movement to be all black? Because they needed to empower people through showing them that they didn't have to take handouts. That's it. This shiat trip you're on about people not getting involved unless it relates to them is the same attitude that tells me what the corporate color is. Stop your racist bullshiat and wake up to the fact that a problem is a problem for everybody.
 
2006-08-21 04:07:03 PM
Now he can get back to shagging balls in CF for the Red Sox.

/oh, btw - nice legal system... glad it follows the Constitution and all
 
2006-08-21 04:07:32 PM
Charming_Man


This administration has been making up these plots. It is so farking obvious. There is no such thing as Al Qaida, at least not in the way we think of it. There is no secret organnized club. Only insurgents in the countries we fark up.


What about the 1998 embassy bombings and USS Cole bombings?
 
2006-08-21 04:07:57 PM
2006-08-21 03:45:31 PM ChairmanKaga


So, what your saying is that he DID IT? and he Planned to do it? ok??????? How is that TWO crimes?


This is SOP for criminal law, one of the things they teach you in Bar prep courses is to always add an attempt charge for every actual crime you can identify in the fact pattern. (and if there is more than one person involved, a conspiracy charge too)

Attempt is what's known as a "lesser included offense" meaning if you can't get him on the top charge and prove he actually "provided material support to terrorists" maybe you can prove that wanted to and was trying to when you popped him.

"Providing Material Support for Terrorism" BTW is a highly dubious crime that's only been around since 1996 (passed by the Gingrich Congress in response to WTC Attack I) and greatly expanded by the Patriot Act. You can violate it by doing virtually anything that "helps" anybody tyring to do an entire laundry list of things including destroying ANY sort of goverment property. (usc 18 65 $1361)


Theoretically Rumsfeld, Bush, Cheney, and the Entire DOD could be charged with this crime as it lists TITLE 18 § 2340A as one the underlying crimes that count as "terrorism" it Just so happens that section sez:


TITLE 18 § 2340A > PART I > CHAPTER 113C > § 2340A Prev | Next § 2340A. Torture
(a) Offense.- Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if death results to any person from conduct prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.
(b) Jurisdiction.- There is jurisdiction over the activity prohibited in subsection (a) if-
(1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or
(2) the alleged offender is present in the United States, irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged offender.
(c) Conspiracy.- A person who conspires to commit an offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties (other than the penalty of death) as the penalties prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.




any wonder why they are now working so hard to get an exemption to this section passed?
 
2006-08-21 04:08:59 PM
That's a long time to spend in prison for abusing steroids. Who's he pitching for now these days, anyway?
 
2006-08-21 04:09:29 PM
Wow vanity is it really possible that you believe what you are writing here today?
 
2006-08-21 04:10:05 PM
The Brooklyn-born Padilla has previously served prison terms for juvenile murder in Illinois and gun possession in Florida. He converted to Islam when he moved to Egypt in 1998, taking the name Abdullah al-Muhajir.

tell me again why I give a shiat about this guys farking rights?
 
2006-08-21 04:10:08 PM
Stryyder: Of course as a rationale intelligent person your argument is correct however my gut reaction as a father of a 3 year old is that anyone that murders a child shouldn't see the light of day. That is what happens when your emotions take over.

Just wondering, where did you read that Padilla ever murdered a child? Not that it matters (he's served his time for whatever crimes he committed in the past), but I haven't read that anywhere else.
 
2006-08-21 04:10:55 PM
I think vanity's comment became apparently sarcastic when he said"/sick slam!"...
Now all you crackas calm the fark down ;o
 
2006-08-21 04:13:03 PM
vanity
is once again given the award for town idiot
 
2006-08-21 04:15:14 PM
DeCypher44: Isn't he actually being charged with crimes? If so, how is this against our Constitution? I know that early on, they were detaining people, but wasn't that recently corrected?

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Padilla was arrested on May 8, 2002. He was indicted on November 22, 2005. The fact that he's being charged now does not make up for the fact that he was held for 3+ years before his indictment - his right to a speedy trial is already long gone.
 
2006-08-21 04:17:25 PM
I have not one single ounce of white guilt.
 
2006-08-21 04:18:30 PM
godxam

Because the fact that he's out of prison means that the law feels as though he's paid his debt to society.
 
2006-08-21 04:18:58 PM
Wow :( Not good :( Three years and they were never able to get anything substantial on the guy?
 
2006-08-21 04:20:03 PM
Thank god Bruno Kirby didn't live to see this.
 
2006-08-21 04:20:11 PM
GavinTheAlmighty: I have not one single ounce of white guilt.

Good :)
 
2006-08-21 04:21:28 PM
godxam: tell me again why I give a shiat about this guys farking rights?

Because the Constitution still means something to the rest of us.
 
2006-08-21 04:22:15 PM
This just boils down to DOJ prosecutors being farking lazy. It's their game, and they are still too incompetent to win it.
 
2006-08-21 04:22:20 PM
godxam:
"The Brooklyn-born Padilla has previously served prison terms for juvenile murder in Illinois and gun possession in Florida. He converted to Islam when he moved to Egypt in 1998, taking the name Abdullah al-Muhajir."

tell me again why I give a shiat about this guys farking rights?


Are you trying to out-dumb vanity? Which do you think should utterly negate his rights as a human, his murder conviction or his conversion to Islam? Because neither DOES, under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (and most interpretations of the US Constitution).
 
2006-08-21 04:22:37 PM
President Bush designated him an enemy combatant the following month and turned him over to the military.

OK Bush supporters, here's a question for you: Why is it a good idea to let the president strip away the rights of Americans who are accused of crimes? Anybody? Bueller?
 
2006-08-21 04:23:17 PM
Man, did Vanity ever get jumped on. I haven't seen a gang bang like that since your mom and sister came over.
 
2006-08-21 04:24:57 PM
Remeber, the only reason anyone even knows about this is because the govt told us, and they only did that to get some "dirty bomb" milage out of it.

How many US citizens have been detained as enemy combatents that we don't even know about?

There's no telling, per the Patriot Act, disclosing it could get you thrown in also, more "support of terrorism".

What would you do if you woke up tomorrow and it was revealed there are 1,000 US citizens being held without trial? How about 10,000? Guess what? Too late, it's already happening.
 
2006-08-21 04:25:09 PM
El_Perro
Just wondering, where did you read that Padilla ever murdered a child? Not that it matters (he's served his time for whatever crimes he committed in the past), but I haven't read that anywhere else.

Best source I could find on this is BBC (pops):

He is also alleged to have been implicated in a gangland murder when he was 13 and was confined as a juvenile offender in Illinois in 1985.

It sounds like he was involved in a murder when he was a juvenile in a gang, not that he killed a kid. Of course, those records are sealed and therefore tough to verify. Once again, how does this automatically make him guilty?
 
2006-08-21 04:25:56 PM
godxam: tell me again why I give a shiat about this guys farking rights?

Because they're your farking rights, too, and no particular administration can be trusted with them.
 
2006-08-21 04:25:59 PM
Of course as a rationale intelligent person your argument is correct however my gut reaction as a father of a 3 year old is that anyone that murders a child shouldn't see the light of day.

He was implicated in a gangland murder and detained as a juvenile in 1985 after joining the Latin Kings in Chicago. In this case, though his juvenile records are sealed and I can't seem to find much about how old the victim might have been when he was implicated in the murder, it seems more than a bit misleading to label a kid of 14 who joined a gang a "child murderer".
 
2006-08-21 04:27:00 PM
You guys should stage a protest. Those work I hear.
 
2006-08-21 04:27:35 PM
tell me again why I give a shiat about godxam's farking rights?

He may not have been convicted of a gang killing when he was a teenager like Padilla, but God knows that he's committed some sins in his lifetime.

/oh yeah, it's because America recognizes that all people have inalienable human rights
 
2006-08-21 04:28:04 PM
faethe

Thank you! I don't feel guilty for anything that has been done to anybody in the past, because I didn't do it, nor did I have any part in it. I have no reason to feel guilty for anything.
 
2006-08-21 04:28:05 PM
please: Remeber, the only reason anyone even knows about this is because the govt told us, and they only did that to get some "dirty bomb" milage out of it.


Which is just farking stupid as hell to begin with, anyway. Someone makes a dirty bomb go off around you, and the shrapnel doesn't get you - do what the name implies. Take a shower, rinse, repeat, moisturize, and GO THE fark HOME.

//meh
 
2006-08-21 04:28:21 PM
Start the trial ASAP and shut the whiners up. Hope he guilty and gets the max sentence.
 
2006-08-21 04:28:42 PM
Magorn: All of these thing should be impossible under our Constitution. That they happened should scare the piss out of you no matter what your poltical allegiance.

Actually, all of those things are legal now. I have yet to hear of any presidential candidate that opposes the patriot act so I guess that constitution thing is just a museum exhibit now.
 
2006-08-21 04:29:13 PM
Some people are so blissfully naive.

/but you already knew that.
 
2006-08-21 04:29:17 PM
"You guys should stage a protest. Those work I hear."

Dude, give it up. You were destroyed the last time you tried this.

How is your Arab girlfriend?
 
2006-08-21 04:30:03 PM
Isn't Padilla basically this guy:

Jose: I'm like all upset at the government and stuff! I hate America for oppressing me and shiat. I'm totally going to download plans to build a nuclear bomb from the intarwebs.

later...

Jose: Oooh, that's real hard. Maybe I'll build a dirty bomb! Ooooh, scary!!!!

later...

Jose: That's going to be kind of expensive. Maybe I'll go make friends with Al Qaeda.

travels to Pakistan...

Jose: ...and that's my plan to build a nuclear dirty bomb. Whattaya think?

Al Qaeda: Ummm...why don't aim a little lower. Maybe just blow up an apartment building. KTHXBYE

Jose: Aw, sweet dude, I'm totally gonna rent an apartment and leave the gas on! Death to America!

Feds: PWNED!!!!

Jose: D'oh! It's a fair cop, but society is to blame.

fin
 
2006-08-21 04:30:18 PM
3 Yrs for being a terrorist? Either Bush is a failure at leading this war on terror. Or maybe Padilla isn't as dangerous a 'terrorist' as this administration and its investigative arm claims he is. Either way. Just happy that the guy got to go to trial.
 
2006-08-21 04:30:28 PM
"President Bush designated him an enemy combatant the following month and turned him over to the military."

What is an enemy combatant? Where does the President's power to designate someone an enemy combatant come from?

That's what I would like to know.
 
2006-08-21 04:31:35 PM
Murphyr: it seems more than a bit misleading to label a kid of 14 who joined a gang a "child murderer"

My interpretation of "juvenile murder" was that Jose killed someone while *he* (Jose) was a juvenile, not that he killed someone who *was* a juvenile.
 
2006-08-21 04:31:59 PM
How many US citizens have been detained as enemy combatents that we don't even know about?

There's no telling, per the Patriot Act, disclosing it could get you thrown in also, more "support of terrorism".


Stop making things up!
 
2006-08-21 04:32:17 PM
Start the trial ASAP and shut the whiners up.

If by "ASAP" you mean 3-4 years ago, then I agree.
 
2006-08-21 04:33:56 PM
GavinTheAlmighty: Thank you! I don't feel guilty for anything that has been done to anybody in the past, because I didn't do it, nor did I have any part in it. I have no reason to feel guilty for anything.


Me either. I think we should start a newsletter. When does this go full circle? Eh? From 'I apologize for being white and being associated with a cluster of racists farkwads' to 'I am not a racist farkwad and don't sit next to them on buses'? When do white peoples identities become something other than that of the oppressor? Speaking of racist farkwads - the numero uno farkwad of the moment is Andrew Young, which surprised the shiat out of me being he was someone who hung out with Dr. King.
 
2006-08-21 04:35:24 PM
Nice spelling on my part, guess it's time I call it a day, yikes.
 
2006-08-21 04:36:36 PM

If by "ASAP" you mean 3-4 years ago, then I agree.


Great, you agree to do something that can't be done, there is an honorable position.
 
2006-08-21 04:36:41 PM
HotWingConspiracy

How is your Arab girlfriend?


Seeing that it's cooler now, she's probably doing well. I never thought a woman could out 'pit-stink a man, but these towelheads are a whole 'nother breed of god awful stench. There's literall no deodorant/antipersprant that helps.

and i get to use that term (towelhead)liberally, as i plan on marrying her so it's OK.
 
2006-08-21 04:36:44 PM
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.


I love how Bush complains about "Activist judges" who don't use the constituion for making their decision but to justify all his BS he says "But a war is going on you should just ignore what the constitution and law says!". He is so full of crap.

If the executive branch can hold people without a trial what would stop them from calling candidates from the opposing parties terroists and have them arrested?

I know some would say "that would never happend", but if you really believe that, you are stupid and don't know much about history.
 
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