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(Chron)   Thousands who got cancer from Prempro say, "It's cool, that happens." Nah, just kidding: Lawsuit   (chron.com) divider line 86
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2006-08-21 01:13:48 PM
I thought all HRT therapies carried the same risks. Were they higher with Prempro?
 
2006-08-21 02:40:29 PM
And the victims get a "FREE CREDIT REPORT" while the lawyers get 5 billion dollars each. WHOTTA CUONTRY!
 
2006-08-21 05:25:27 PM
It remains to be seen if they got cancer from Prempro.
 
2006-08-21 05:27:38 PM
What's worse? Cancer, or knowing you're a ticking time-bomb looking for a reason to gun down Jimmy the paper-boy?
 
2006-08-21 05:28:28 PM
Good, I was hoping everyone's health insurance could become even more expensive. Thanks lawyers!
 
2006-08-21 05:29:27 PM
Bush gave America administrative cancer.
 
2006-08-21 05:29:40 PM
The law of unintended consequences strikes again ...
 
2006-08-21 05:30:00 PM
Good, I was hoping everyone's health insurance could become even more expensive. Thanks lawyers!

You're right. People who have been harmed by for-profit drug companies should just shut up and take it.

You know, for your insurance premiums and such.
 
2006-08-21 05:33:14 PM
that headline made me pmp
(pee my pants)
 
2006-08-21 05:33:47 PM
Man, who knew cancer would be one of those things everyone gets sensitive about. They can still get erections, what more do they want?

/Didn't RTFA until after I wrote that
//Only amuses me more now
 
2006-08-21 05:34:41 PM
If it's shown to cause cancer, and this was not reported as a consequence... why shouldn't they sue?
 
2006-08-21 05:35:36 PM
trueaustinite:
You're right. People who have been harmed by for-profit drug companies should just shut up and take it.

Damn right! Stop the activist juries and their commie judge lapdogs from holding corporations accountable for the safety of their products. Why do these people Hate America? (TM)

You know, for your insurance premiums and such.

Hey... I wonder if maybe socialized health insurance for everyone might help with that... nah, probably not.
 
2006-08-21 05:36:08 PM
I'd gladly trade a large improvement in the quality of life over ten years or so for a small increase in the risk of cancer.

Same thing with Celebrex and heart disorders.
 
2006-08-21 05:38:12 PM
If it's shown to cause cancer, and this was not reported as a consequence... why shouldn't they sue?

Exactly.
 
2006-08-21 05:39:28 PM
No Such Agency

I get a kick out of that mentality, too.
 
2006-08-21 05:40:06 PM
Ray Kurzweil was inducted in 2002 into the National Inventors Hall of Fame, established by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. He received the $500,000 Lemelson-MIT Prize, the United States' largest award in invention and innovation, and the 1999 National Medal of Technology, the nation's highest honor in technology. He has also received scores of other awards. In 2005, Microsoft chairman Bill Gates called Ray Kurzweil "the best at predicting the future of artificial intelligence".

He believes we are 20-50 years away from 1,000 year life spans.

His diet: Alkaline!!! 8 to 10 glasses of alkaline water and 10 cups of green tea, etc.

YOU'RE WELCOME
 
2006-08-21 05:40:38 PM
Did anyone honestly think they could take sex hormones and not raise their risk of cancer? Should have had to sign a waiver...too late now, bring on the massive settlement.
 
2006-08-21 05:41:37 PM
zonards, go pitch crazy somewhere else. We are all stocked up here.
 
2006-08-21 05:41:46 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kurzweil
 
2006-08-21 05:42:20 PM
how did she not know? As a young Farkette (under 30) who has to deal with hormone issues, the FIRST THING the doctor said while discussing hormone treatment was the increase in BC. Now, call me crazy, but anything that encourages my boobs to grow even bigger - and in a bad way - goes into the, why do I realllllllyyyyy need it???? Chreerist, we get old, why take DRUGS to alter the natural state of getting old???? Shave your lip like the rest of the smart cancer free womyn!
 
2006-08-21 05:42:21 PM
A Women's Health Initiative study found that women who took Prempro had a higher risk of breast cancer, stroke and coronary heart disease.

Isn't that true for every "pill"-like pill that contains those hormones?
I would be surprised if that wasn't mentioned under "risks" in the package insert.
 
2006-08-21 05:42:27 PM
i don't like bush too much because of his iraq policy, but let me just say that tort reform would have stopped lawsuits like this.
 
2006-08-21 05:44:29 PM
Now, call me crazy, but anything that encourages my boobs to grow even bigger - and in a bad way - goes into the, why do I realllllllyyyyy need it????

A lot of women agree with you when I encourage them to grow bigger boobs.
 
2006-08-21 05:44:54 PM
Geotpf

I'm sorry, did you want to debate me? Schizophrenia, psychosis, loony land....... these are all things that I have already conquered, crawled out of, and keep in close memory as to avoid a repeat of thinking that I am supreme. Take me to an acclaimed psychiatrist I would simply run a circle around their head and tie their supposed logic into a knot of confusion, which I would then offer them so they could wipe their leaking anus clean. Besides, you wouldn't be arguing against me, you would be arguing against one of the smartest men in America, Raymond Kurzweil. I'll save you the trouble- Do the research!
 
2006-08-21 05:45:02 PM
but let me just say that tort reform would have stopped lawsuits like this.

That's right, because nobody should be able to sue for anything. Not even cancer.
 
2006-08-21 05:46:29 PM
zonads
His diet: Alkaline!!! 8 to 10 glasses of alkaline water and 10 cups of green tea, etc.


If he was hardcore he would drink urine. And not just his own urine.
 
2006-08-21 05:47:24 PM
tort reform would have stopped lawsuits like this.

It would have also stopped the Erin Brockovich lawsuit. That means it would have stopped that horrible movie and nobody would have ever heard of that horrid biatch.
 
2006-08-21 05:48:38 PM
Uh, I guess you like this guy. But what does he have to do with people suing a drug maker over a drug that may cause breast cancer?
 
2006-08-21 05:49:35 PM
and let me further what i wrote because i know alot of people will take it the wrong way.

i am the LAST person to defend drug comapnies bottom line. I think they invest far too heavily in advertising and sales and not nearly enough into testing and development.

BUT as someone who does understand business, i can relate to the fine line to be tread by the drug companies. they are in the business of creating conconcions that could very well have negative side effects. i cant believe we are where we are today, where we feel that we are entitled to drugs and therapies that are so fine tuned and precise that 1 person in a thousand (0.001%) of the people taking it might suffer a very bad side effect.

i think we are VERY fortunate to live in such a day and age, but at the same time apparantly 1 in 10,000 isnt even good enough for some people. they, encouraged by the filthy lawyers, choose to sue and increase the burden on the rest of us for their own filthy gain.

of course, nationalized healthcare would take care of this issue, because then people who had a side-effect like this would also be entitled to the care necessary to treat their 1 in 10,000 ailment.
 
2006-08-21 05:50:38 PM
zonads: His diet: Alkaline!!! 8 to 10 glasses of alkaline water and 10 cups of green tea, etc.

It looks like his super lifespan idea has to do with technology, not diet.
 
2006-08-21 05:53:21 PM
jeffy

choose to sue and increase the burden on the rest of us for their own filthy gain.

So, help me, 'cuz I'm a little slow, but can you tell me how getting cancer and then getting compensated for it is a NET GAIN?
 
2006-08-21 05:54:51 PM
I don't know why but I really liked the headline.
 
2006-08-21 05:56:35 PM
trueaustinite

for the lawyers, it's all gravy.

we need to eliminate the court side of this.

build in some sort of "You very well could get cancer or some other tragic ailment" insurance/tax into the cost of medication.

authorize payouts from that.

this eliminates the lawyer tax and eases the burden on our courts.
 
2006-08-21 05:58:00 PM
article: the drug company wants jurors to see its request _ made to the Food and Drug Administration in 1983 _ for a study about the effects of combining estrogen and progestin. Reeves' lawyers want the evidence limited, saying jurors could be overwhelmed by such a huge file and miss its key portions

1. only jurors who can understand the request should be permitted to serve.
2. They should be told that Reeves' lawyers opposed the inclusion of said evidence.

Multiple studies were conducted, and nobody knew that HRT risks outweighed the benefits until WHI. Immediately, Wyeth told patients. What on earth did they do wrong?

Separately, WHI was not designed to look at breast cancer, and the scientific evidence linking Prempro to breast cancer is not entirely convincing.
 
2006-08-21 05:59:58 PM
build in some sort of "You very well could get cancer or some other tragic ailment" insurance/tax into the cost of medication.

So just pass the cost of farkups on to the consumer. Pretty all-American idea if you ask me.

this eliminates the lawyer tax and eases the burden on our courts.

You do understand that we have courts to, you know, hear lawsuits and stuff?
 
2006-08-21 06:00:24 PM
Happy Daddy justifying class actions in 3, 2, ...
 
2006-08-21 06:01:10 PM
Geotpf

what does he have to do with people suing a drug maker over a drug that may cause breast cancer?

Nothing, you are correct. I am simply helping out my fellow brothers by pointing out the fact that a reaaalllyyy smart man has said we are 20-50 years away from Immortality, and that his diet is alkaline.

edschurr

You are mostly correct. He believes that advancements in nanotechnology (technology) will enable our blood to be cleaned... REALLY slowing aging by keeping all cells alive and happy :) In the meantime, that is his diet, Alkaline. I don't follow it myself because I am addicted to beer, pizza and fast food. My guess it 95% of the food we eat is acidic (PH below ~6.8)... A true alkaline diet would consist of raw fruits and vegetables, green tea, raw almonds, Stevia (all natural sweetener), etc.

All I'm doing here is hopefully informing at least one other person as to the benefits of an alkaline diet, as well as to spark their imagination that if one of the smartest men in America says we are 20-50 years away from 1000 year life spans.... we outa listen ;)

Do I like the guy? I dunno, never met him and don't care to.
 
2006-08-21 06:01:20 PM
jeffy: this eliminates the lawyer tax and eases the burden on our courts.

You do understadn, of course, that a plaintiff's lawyer like trueaustinite has no interest in either of those things, right?
 
2006-08-21 06:03:24 PM
scotttothety schilling the 'it's immoral and un-American to seek legal redress for injuries tripe in . . . oh, wait.
 
2006-08-21 06:04:03 PM
Jument
If he was hardcore he would drink urine. And not just his own urine.

Funny you should say that. Prempro is made of conjugated estrogens isolated from horse urine.

Even if it didn't cause cancer, there's no farking way I would take it. Even if I were female.

/One of the many facts about drugs I try to keep secret from pharmacy customers.
 
2006-08-21 06:05:15 PM
jeffy

You do understand that a lot of dumb farking jarheads do not understand the difference between a plaintiff's lawyer and an eminent domain attorney, don't you?
 
2006-08-21 06:09:37 PM
trueaustinite: schilling the 'it's immoral and un-American to seek legal redress for injuries tripe in . . . oh, wait.

Not even close. However, the one part of recent tort reform trends in Texas that I do agree with is making it harder to file class action lawsuits.

Go ahead and tell me how wrong I am, and that you should make wads of cash while people who were defrauded by their bank get one free bounced check next year, or some useless coupon for a reduction of the price of the next piece of shiat product you bought, when you'll never buy one again anyway.

You do understand that a lot of dumb farking jarheads do not understand the difference between a plaintiff's lawyer and an eminent domain attorney, don't you?

So, mister hair-splitter, do you work for the state? Or do you file suit on behalf of plaintiffs against the state?

I know the answer already, in case you want to go ahead and throw in the towel right now dumbshiat.
 
2006-08-21 06:11:38 PM
So, mister hair-splitter, do you work for the state? Or do you file suit on behalf of plaintiffs against the state?

I know the answer already, in case you want to go ahead and throw in the towel right now dumbshiat.


O do ya?

Because the STATE sues people in condemnation. They are the Plaintiff. I represent the defendant LANDOWNERS.

Who's the dumbshiat now?
 
2006-08-21 06:13:15 PM
trueaustinite: Because the STATE sues people in condemnation. They are the Plaintiff. I represent the defendant LANDOWNERS.

Who's the dumbshiat now?


Still you. A procedural race to the courthouse means nothing. Do you work based on a contingency for an amount you recover over the price offered by the state?

Call it what you want. You're the same as a plaintiff's lawyer.
 
2006-08-21 06:16:11 PM
A procedural race to the courthouse means nothing.

Ok, you're just an idiot. That doesn't make any sense at all.

Oh, and we have a number of ways we structure fee arrangements, based on what the client wants.
 
2006-08-21 06:16:51 PM
Dude, if you were smart enought to pass the bar exam, you should be smart enough not to engage in an overheated argument on the Internet...
 
2006-08-21 06:18:17 PM
blockhouse
Funny you should say that. Prempro is made of conjugated estrogens isolated from horse urine.


Ewwwww!

How exactly do they procure all of the urine necessary to make the drug? On second thought, never mind. I don't want to know.

scotttothety
Go ahead and tell me how wrong I am, and that you should make wads of cash while people who were defrauded by their bank get one free bounced check next year, or some useless coupon for a reduction of the price of the next piece of shiat product you bought, when you'll never buy one again anyway.


This is my beef right there. Take the Netflix case for example. I personally did not believe that Netflix did anything wrong and yet I was somehow a plaintiff in that case. End result was that some lawyer used my name to get rich and I got a coupon worth almost nothing. (Which I shredded, since I did not believe that Netflix was in the wrong.) Even if I did believe that Netflix was the bad guy in that case how is it fair that a bunch of consumers got a nearly worthless coupon and a couple of lawyers made fortunes? Is that justice? I dunno, man.
 
2006-08-21 06:18:52 PM
No Such Agency

It's the end of my work day, and I'm bored.

This guy does this in every legal thread.

Also, I'm interested in this thread, because I submitted it.

But thanks, anyway.
 
2006-08-21 06:24:27 PM
No Such Agency: Dude, if you were smart enought to pass the bar exam, you should be smart enough not to engage in an overheated argument on the Internet..

You'd think.

I can't even remember what the last argument I had with him was, but half the people in the thread started their posts with "trueaustinite I normally agree with you and you're usually right, but thsi time you shoudl give it up."

But he refused to.


trueaustinite: Oh, and we have a number of ways we structure fee arrangements, based on what the client wants.

Of course you do. But you take contingency fees more often I bet. Go looking for plainitffs to add to your list of clients, in cases like the trans-Texas corridor, where there are thousands of potential clients out there for you? Ever hold "informational meetings" in towns on the subject, when there just-so-happened to be a condemnation issue in the area?

Yeah, defense lawyer my ass.
 
2006-08-21 06:24:53 PM
hah, submitter made me laugh.
 
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