Man.. there are some bitter-a$$ divorcee's in here.

Apparently they've got really shiatty lawyers, too.

Stryyder: I would challenge you to find a country that spends more on training its law enforcement officers. You forget that a large part of the process involves prosecuting attorney's and in high profile cases guess who is calling the shots.

I didn't mean Americans police are poorly trained relative to the rest of the world, I just meant American police are poorly trained. And maybe it was too broad a swipe, but the fact is most detectives are not adequately trained.

What the police did wrong in the Ramsey case wasn't their investigation of the Ramseys, but their refusal to investigate other possibilities. Eventually, the DA did step in and take away the case because they wouldn't do their farking jobs because their guts told them the Ramseys were guilty. In what other field do people place so much emphasis on their own biases. My gut tells me this drug cures cancer, so let's forget the trials. There are a million untested assumptions that police officers make every day, that they firmly believe in, and some of them are wrong.

In a lot of state court casess, the DAs don't do anything until the police present them with a case, which they then decide to charge or not. And frankly, the DAs are just as susceptible to confirmational bias as the police are.

Does anyone remember much about the case? I seem to recall a hidden room or something where they overlooked the body or something. if so if the guy had never been to the house how did he know about it?

Count me in the ranks of believing that this is just some crazy pedo who convinced himself he did it but actually didn't.

should say the exact amount of John Ramsey's bonus

/needs to rpoofread before she postss

Does anyone remember much about the case? I seem to recall a hidden room or something where they overlooked the body or something. if so if the guy had never been to the house how did he know about it?

It was the wine cellar, not a hidden room, wasn't it?

StandsWithAFist
A) Leaving the weapon at the scene of the crime is smart, as long as it is clean of DNA and finger prints. Why? Because if the investigators find it later in someone's house or vicinity it can be used to tie the suspect to the murder. Leaving it at the scene just allows the investigators to know how the crime was comitted.

B) From the ransom note posted above, he noted that Mr. Ramsey was a southern man. Perhaps since Karr and Mr. Ramsey were both in Alabama during a certain period of time there might be a connection.

I guess if you're a moron it would be pretty annoying to see all of these interesting thoughts and theories on the suspect and case

they're not theories. Their outright assertions by uneducated drones who think they're geniuses.

People complain about the media making people dumber. That's nothing compared to self-professed experts acting like they know what they're talknig about online.

baorao: For the child's sake I hope you are both wrong. Though if this is the real deal I can see someone using Karr's version of events to fill in the holes and more accurately recreate what happened with the parents, their level of involvement and the notes.

Details are coming out that both karr and the father knew each other previously in GA.

Hows this for a farked up chain of events.

The parents had their daughter in part of an elaborate sex ring for pedo's. No pimping for cash, just a ring of rich folk with money and the ability to make their 'guests' mobile.

In this instance a sex session went wrong, and the note and subsequent stories was an attempt to cover it up.

Its a classic tale of love on par with Romeo & Juliet.

IdBeCrazyIf

You'd be crazy if you were drunk... wait....

My god, that little girl's life was just one short nightmare.

/Feels sick now.

Reminds me of



and the mother's name was Patsy...

Again....Karr's body language screams GAY and ACTING. Someone really needs to find out what the charges in Thailand are. Child pornography is either girl specific, or boy specific. I'm guessing boy. The ex-wife is the most important interview here. Gay boy porn is one thing that would send me screaming away from a marriage in a heartbeat.
I'm going to predict that the press conference is going to be non sequiters and vagarities. If it is said that the DNA, phone records, travel records, and other physical evidence support the case, I will be totally shocked.

Cue the fathers suicide in 3, 2, 1....

pwhp_67
Lee Harvey Oswald was called at patsy

Jon Snow: It was the wine cellar, not a hidden room, wasn't it?

It was a storage room and the police didn't look inside because unless you knew it was there it was easy to miss. That's supposed to be why John found the body and not the cops.

Also, on the Court TV special they showed how the house is laid out and all of the investigators (Who agreed on very little...) agreed that the murderer must have been very familiar with the house. It doesn't have a very typical layout and can be confusing...

andrew131:
A) Leaving the weapon at the scene of the crime is smart, as long as it is clean of DNA and finger prints. Why? Because if the investigators find it later in someone's house or vicinity it can be used to tie the suspect to the murder. Leaving it at the scene just allows the investigators to know how the crime was comitted.

You make a good point, although rarely are murder weapons so free of DNA/prints. It would be moot in this case anyway; since the poor girl was sexually molested before she was murdered, one presumes the killer already left his 'DNA evidence' on the body.

Ramsey & Karr may have met/known each other from Alabama, so the connection is certainly possible. I haven't read anything about if that's actually the case yet.

I'm with the "nothing adds up" gang on this one. But after doing some theoretical math, here's what I think does add up:

Pedopheliac father couldn't keep his wang to himself and his wife. When wife was asleep, father couldn't keep his hands and his wang off of JonBenet. Wife had suspicions. JonBenet probably gave away clues but stopped short of admitting it out of fear of the consequences. Father probably learned of these supsicions one night after a rejection in bed. In an angry blue-balled state, he decided to kill JonBenet. There was no accident in her death. She was raped, strangled, and beaten by her father. After settling out of court with the author of the book that accuses the parents of having a hand in this, father uses part of that settlement to buy scapegoat services from Karr. It was probably planned that authorities would find Karr over child pornography and this provided the perfect backdrop for him to take responsibility for JonBenet's murder. But this disgusting plan has already been screwed and here's how:

Karr's ex-wife claims that Karr was with her at the time of her death in Alabama. Neither of them figured that into the equation. The credibility of this claim doesn't need to be questioned because the ex-wife probably has photographs to prove it. Keep an eye on the ex-wife as this goes on. She may also be accidentally raped, beaten, and strangled to death...

Karr says that he loved her, that he was in love with her, and that his intention was to kidnap her for a ransom. He claims that the kidnapping plan went south and he ended up strangling her. He called the death an accident, despite the fact the body was found beaten in addition to being strangled and that does not fit the description of an accident at all...

$118,000 isn't large enough a ransom, not in this day and age, to be called a ransom. A couple of million would've been more convincing, but $118,000? Not to mention the fact that it makes absolutely no sense, if his intention actually was a kidnap for ransom job, to leave a ransom note after killing the ransom. The note was most likely planted with the hope that it would deflect as much suspicion as possible away from the father, but it only makes this sickening ordeal even more fishy...

Father and Karr both deserve to spend the rest of their miserable lives in PMITA land. Death is too good for these sickos.

Case in point:

2006-08-17 11:59:22 AM WeedNStoli

I rest my case.

WeedNStoli: Pedopheliac father couldn't keep his wang to himself and his wife.

A bit sexist to always assume it's the male who's the pervert.

Am I the only one here?!?

Karr's ex-wife gives him an alibi.

There is DNA from the crime scene. (JonBenet's underwear.)

The ransom amount, $118,000 is not only strange, it was the amount of John's bonus.


This should be over quickly, one way or another.


Except that Karr is making some curious statements: Asked what happened when JonBenet died, he said: "It would take several hours to describe that. It's a very involved series of events that would involve a lot of time. It's very painful for me to talk about it."

Was JonBenet's father somehow involved as well?

Remember the film Arlington Road? It's whole premise was that terrible events are often pinned upon a "lone madman" in order to make the public feel safer.

The screenwriter clearly never spent time on the internet.

WeedNStoli
There's a problem with your conspiracy theory. The DNA (probably semen in the girl's underwear) didn't match her father.

Sorry, you lose.

That is horrible, Unlikely.

Is that really her voice at the end there?

You're going to hell, you know.

Ha. 'There is much more work to be done'. Such bullshiat. Lots of preemptive ass covering here.

StandsWithAFist
I thought of that, but if the killer's DNA is not in any investigative system, then the killer is still unknown. The only way to find out if the DNA is a match is to have a second sample. The lone evidence provides the investigators nothing if there is no other DNA taken from suspects. Assuming the killer left immediately after the crime, the only way his DNA could be retrieved is if he was a known suspect or somehow picked up on other charges in which case DNA must be given. Karr's kiddie-porn charges didn't happen until 2001 but the authorities in that case didn't collect DNA.

So, as long as there is no second sample to run a DNA test against, the killer is somewhat clean.

This press conference is like a nightmarishly long Oscar winning speech.

I call BS on this one, too. This fellow is indeed farked up, but the facts don't match... And frankly, isn't Thailand known for beating a confession out of a prisoner now and again?

`Don't know what to believe...

To those who say this guy is gay:
How do you know that? Does his backside breathe like Darth Vader?

Holly_Wight, I doubt he was coerced. There may be something fishy about the confession, but I would imagine any sort of physical violence would be discovered almost immediately.

The vast majority of people in this thread could be coerced into confessing to something they didn't do without the slightest physical violence.

Holly_Wight: And frankly, isn't Thailand known for beating a confession out of a prisoner now and again?

Not so much if you are an American. They tend to beat on their own.

Karr told investigators he drugged and had sex with the 6-year-old beauty queen before accidentally killing her, a senior Thai police officer said Thursday. An autopsy done a day after her body was found said a blood screening showed no drugs or alcohol in her body but said she had vaginal abrasions.

Hmm...

I know who killed JonBenet Ramsey...



...OJ did it. It was retribution for JonBenet killing OJ's wife.

Crafty Bernardo: Man.. there are some bitter-a$$ divorcee's in here.


Are there any other kind?

"They fell in love with each other."

I love little girls they make me feel so good
I love little girls they make me feel so bad
When theyre around they make me feel
Like Im the only guy in town
I love little girls they make me feel so good

They dont care if Im a one way mirror
Theyre not frightened by my cold exterior

They dont ask me questions
They dont want to scold me
They dont look for answers
They just want to hold me
Isnt this fun
Isnt this what lifes all about
Isnt this a dream come true
Isnt this a nightmare too

(repeat first verse)

They dont care about my inclinations
Theyre not frightened by my revelations

Uh oh take a second take
Uh oh its a mistake
Uh oh Im in trouble
Uh oh the little girl was just to little
Too little, too little, too little
Isnt this what lifes all about
Isnt this a dream come true
Isnt this a nightmare too . . .

And I dont care what people say
And I dont care what people think
And I dont care how we look walking down the street

jayday
But every cop, DA, ADA, political figure, news caster. reporter, News-Station and Paper, or any other that was involved in profitting off of, or making the life of the Ramsey family a living hell should be locked in jail and sued for all they are worth.
(...)
They are just a bunch of scumbags and should be sued and locked up on principle.

Teafortwo
Principle of what? Having caught a crazy guy who only link with the case is being in the sex offender database and having lived near the Ramseys for a while?

Because he wasn't convincted by anyone else than the media for the time being, and this is the only official and verifiable fact out!

So please keep your "principle" to yourself until justice as at least had a stab at him, and make your opinion when you get all the fact, not just based on what some pedophile shouted on his arrest.

Yes mistake happen. Maybe a mistake has been made for 10 years regarding the Ramseys. But why do you think it happened? Because some people are quick to come to conclusions. Like you dude...


Uhhhh....yeah.
Seems you're currently having a stroke and or are a moran.

On "Principle"
As in the sentence, "People have certain principles they live by."

Meaning morals.

Thanks for being a complete clueless short bus child tho.
It was very entertaining to us all.

/Pssst.....
Principle: 1. A basic truth, law, or assumption: the principles of democracy.
2-A.) A rule or standard, especially of good behavior: a man of principle.
2-B.) The collectivity of moral or ethical standards or judgments: a decision based on principle rather than expediency.
3. A fixed or predetermined policy or mode of action.
4. A basic or essential quality or element determining intrinsic nature or characteristic behavior: the principle of self-preservation.
5. A rule or law concerning the functioning of natural phenomena or mechanical processes: the principle of jet propulsion.
6. Chemistry. One of the elements that compose a substance, especially one that gives some special quality or effect.
7. A basic source. See Usage Note at principal.

//thanks again tho, those of us with an edjumakashun beyond the third grade have been entertained.

2006-08-17 12:13:58 PM andrew131


StandsWithAFist
I thought of that, but if the killer's DNA is not in any investigative system, then the killer is still unknown. The only way to find out if the DNA is a match is to have a second sample. The lone evidence provides the investigators nothing if there is no other DNA taken from suspects. Assuming the killer left immediately after the crime, the only way his DNA could be retrieved is if he was a known suspect or somehow picked up on other charges in which case DNA must be given. Karr's kiddie-porn charges didn't happen until 2001 but the authorities in that case didn't collect DNA.

So, as long as there is no second sample to run a DNA test against, the killer is somewhat clean.

They may have gotten the DNA from saliva off the letters he sent Patsy Ramsey.

BUTTSECKS?



/sorry

Jon Snow
Let's not jump to conclusions. The suspect apparently knew the father, and had sent several letters to the mother before she died.

There might be more to this whole thing than Merv the Kiddie Toucher Karr.


Just for the record.....
I dont know if this guy is guilty or not.....I'm not going to make that assumption.

I do know for a fact that the police farked up this investigation immensly, but instead of admitting to it and moving on to try to find the actual guilty party.....they continued to harass the innocent.

THAT is why I have utter contempt for their actions.

oh and Teafortwo if you havent figured it out yet...
There are those of us whose contempt for the media comes from the fact that they make their living off of others misery.

I was just reading his resume, man he traveled a lot. Liked to work with little kids, too...



-Primary School Teacher (1996-2001 and Currently) in some of the most prestigious schools in the United States,
working with children from high profile families. I have taught all classes to elementary students including English,
Math, Science, Reading, Social Studies, History, and Computer Technology. I have taught Physical Education with
large groups of 100 to 150 students, ages 5 to 10. I have worked with large groups of children in school plays.

-Private English, Reading and Math Tutor (1996-2001) for elementary students ages 8 to 12 on a private basis for
an hourly rate.

sp


On the matter of DNA in the legal system.
There was(is still?...not sure) a huge time gap in the processing of DNA from crime scenes(old ones at least) due to a back log of material.


Anyone know if this is still the case?

I say we cut his entire body off!

/waiting for a new Ministry single about this... "sicks year old thigh Thai Guy" I'll wager 3 mixes one ministry, one revco, and one chop shop Alien Dogstar rounds the bases mix

Wasn't that dude in the Pet Shop Boys?

I think the first mystery to find out how someone who is living in Thailand can remain this pasty shade of white.