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2006-08-17 09:34:09 AM  
I seem to remember hearing about US law enforcement officials not following the same interogation guidlines when interviewing suspects in foreign countries.

Now where did I here that?
 
2006-08-17 09:34:33 AM  
2006-08-17 08:22:45 AM tchamber
Some of you sick farks need to lay off the "Mom and Dad still did it" line. This guy has been under investigation for months, has confessed to things that only the investigators knew, and there are reports that his DNA matches DNA found on JB's underwear.


Do you have a source for the DNA evidence statement ?

2006-08-17 08:53:47 AM enkindle
Well...in defense of the 'something's fishy here' folks... Knowing details about the case doesn't nessecarily mean he did it. If he really was a fall guy, it's possible the information was given to him by the parents' themselves or something.


Or the information could have come from the 1000s of hours of media coverage, 1000s of magazine articles or 100s of books about the case.



2006-08-17 08:59:53 AM HotWingConspiracy

"ANYONE who buttons their polo shirts all the way up is most definitely a child molestor. How could they not have spotted this sooner?"

Good question. Tucking in your shirt and not wearing a belt should be another flag.



I never wear a belt, I am going to keep an eye on myself. But I never tuck in my shirt
 
2006-08-17 09:34:54 AM  
I'm a little curious about this...

...in one report I heard, he's perfectly okay with admitting to be involved with the girl's death, but answers "no comment" when he's asked about his relationship with the parents?

Could be a guy who wants the credit, could be a guy who's trying to cast suspicion back again on the parents, could just be a nutjob, or could be the killer, I dunno.

/still sick of this after 10 years.
 
2006-08-17 09:34:59 AM  
although it sounds like a translation error, only the Asians would believe that he and a 6 year old girl fell in love together.
 
2006-08-17 09:35:06 AM  
IHatePeople: Gee, you seem to know more about this family than the Boulder police and this farkin' child molester......

You people kill me, putting all these theories together, and acting like you're figured it all out.

Anyone who would have a sexual relationship with a child is looney-tunes crazy. They are not playing with a full deck of cards. If he killed her by accident, he no doubt freaked and decided to write the ransom note to throw everybody off. Do you really think he had all the marbles together to think about being caught while he was writing it?

Come on people, at least try to look intelligent here.


If he committed the crime and he's, as you say it "looney-tunes crazy", "isn't playing with a full deck off cards", "didn't have all the marbles", explain


A) How he was able to hide for hours without being caught
B) Didn't leave any prints
C) Was wearing gloves to write the note
D) (Probably) Used a stun gun

That's only a few details.

If you study criminology, these are all actions of a very organized killer who thinks about his crimes in a very methodical way. That organizes everything and obsesses about it.

Now, if he's really an organized killer, why

A) Did he leave the weapon at the crime scene
B) Left a note
C) Wrote to the family after

etc.. etc...

There are many examples as to why this guy is an unlikely suspect


There is a HUGE tendency in schizophrenic people to admit to crimes they didn't commit. The guy was obsessed with this case, read all he could about it, add this to the fact he was a pedophile and, in his sick and twisted mind, he probably convinced himself he did it. He might be trying to deflect the guilt of actions he REALLY did
 
2006-08-17 09:35:19 AM  
I am tending to believe this is horse s**t. First of all, in one of the many articles they already have on this guy -- He says he took her from her school to the basement of her home. Saucy_Wench brought it up first earlier in the thread. She was killed on Dec 25th 1996 at night time! She was found missing on the morning of the 26th. This is a big red flag. He is lying. Unless that DNA matches....... I won't believe it.
 
2006-08-17 09:35:35 AM  
Oh, he's guilty. The media has already started giving him the classic "middle name" assassin treatment. "John Mark Karr." John Wilkes Booth, Mark David Chapman--step aside, bi+ches!
 
2006-08-17 09:35:48 AM  
ranold

Now that's how you mock a thread. Nice.
 
2006-08-17 09:36:02 AM  
I read another article on this topic where this guy''s ex-wife claims they were in Alababma (or was it Arkansas?) when JonBenet was murdered. I can see why she would lie about this (saves her some face after being married to the guy), but if she's telling the truth, why would HE lie? I hope the crime scene DNA evidence was reserved properly...

And am I the only one a little disturbed by the fact this guy is/was a school teacher? Lots of parents must be freaking out right about now...

And, lastly, I gotta put some blame on the parents for what happened to thier child. They not only dressed her up like an adult female and put her on display, but they dressed her up like a female whore. Be honest - if you saw a grown woman walking down the street with the big hair and tons of make-up the 6-year-old had, you'd think the woman was either a slut or a 1980s fashion refugee. They practically served her up on a platter to pedophiles by putting her in those "beauty pagents" looking as she did.

Farkers.
 
2006-08-17 09:36:37 AM  
mikelambert70: Fantasy carnival outfit = whore outfit? I don't think so. And the whores have a right to live, too.

Someone likes child beauty pagents, I see. Makeup is for adults. Miniskirts are for adults. Halter tops are for adults. Look at the pictures. This is not appropriate for children. Hell, most parents won't let their teenage daughters dress like this.

Whore is a moral judgement. If some kid wears a spiderman outfit and you deem this morally wrong as it is the police's duty to behold the law, does that justify any negative action towards this kid, let alone murder?

No, nothing does justify this murder, but if you dress your kid like this:
www.pugbus.net
and a child molester attacks her, this should not come as a big surprise. No child should be raped and killed, but geez, at least don't make her more of a target than kids are anyway.

Glad Pasty died. I hope it hurt horribly.
 
2006-08-17 09:37:49 AM  
jadeheart6

This is BS. The only reason he made a "confession" is because he was arrested in Thailand on a sex charge. He NEVER met Jon Benet ...

Well then. Case closed. Obviously you have direct knowledge that he never met her, and knows nothing more than what is available online. I'm sure the police and DA will reward you handomely for saving the state a lot of money on a lost cause.
 
2006-08-17 09:38:18 AM  
Why do so many people in this thread give a shiat if some people are having fun and proposing alternate theories? Are you farking related to the Ramseys or something?
 
2006-08-17 09:39:28 AM  
Tatsuma
..
what if he's dressed like that?

...WTF?!

/will never look at spiderman the same way again..
 
2006-08-17 09:40:47 AM  
sigdiamond2000: Why do so many people in this thread give a shiat if some people are having fun and proposing alternate theories? Are you farking related to the Ramseys or something?

Why do you care that they care? Are you related to the other farkers proposing alternate theories?

/your question implies that your position is right and theirs is wrong, when it is not.
 
2006-08-17 09:40:48 AM  
Koalaesq: OK, I am just dumbfounded now. But I don't understand- they WANT to make the kids look older? I thought the whole idea is that they're young and fresh... but then again, thewy whored up JonBenet so much I guess not...

I clearly have no understanding of the child beauty queen circuit.


They want their kids faces to have more definition. Ever see an old lady with no teeth? Her jaw sinks in, her cheeks look hollow. Little kids have almost no definition to their faces at all - so they photograph flat. You put the fake teeth in there - it's like they sprouted soft cheek bones, a jaw - adult characteristics. I THINK mabye what the mothers are going for is some sort of empathetic thing - so they can see themselves in their kids faces. The effect is that you get a 3 foot tall person with no discernable shape that has an adults face that is perfectly smooth - flawless. Little kids have almost no facial imperfections - they have really clear skin - come from not having acne, or any bone structure (or ex-husbands, bills, blah blah blah). You don't get it, I don't get it - that's the effect, though. It's weird, and no - I have no farking idea why some people find that sexy. Like I typed before, I am pretty sure this is some sort of disorder. I don't know. I DO think it's absuive, and I DO think any family that does this to a small child needs therapy. It's not an individual little person you are looking at when people dress their kids up like this - with the heavy makeup, the hair, teeth, nail polish - all the adult stuff. The kid is just like a cardboard cutout for someone to dress up. Those portraits of those little kids have almost no personality to them - they are so heavily affected. Perhaps it's like Munchhausen by Proxy - the mother does to the child what she needs for herself, and thusly strips the little girls personhood away.
 
2006-08-17 09:40:53 AM  
"They fell in love with each other. She was very beautiful. So he kidnapped her and killed her by accident," Suwat said.

Is it just me, or with his "they fell in love with each other" and "she was very beautiful" does it make it sound like Suwat understands and sympathizes?
 
2006-08-17 09:41:03 AM  
She wasn't very hot without her makeup on
 
2006-08-17 09:41:29 AM  
Now I don't believe in capital punishment, but I think he should atleast be locked in a dark cell, never to see the light of day for the rest of his life.
 
2006-08-17 09:42:34 AM  
Eric Johnson> et al...can we please stop saying people 'she had sex with' as though she had any choice in the matter, how about 'people who raped her'?
 
2006-08-17 09:42:43 AM  
I bet President Ahmadenablowmywad is so freakin' pissed right now because this is stealing his thunder.
 
2006-08-17 09:42:52 AM  
C4shm0ney: She wasn't very hot without her makeup on

WOW. I think that one takes the cake.
 
2006-08-17 09:43:31 AM  
baorao

/your question implies that your position is right and theirs is wrong

Yeah. Exactly. You can say that for almost every post I've ever made on Fark. I tend to think people I disagree with are wrong. I'm funny that way.
 
2006-08-17 09:45:11 AM  
OK, on the false teeth thing ...

Dr. Phil, 8/14/06

To look at the slideshow of the first segment, click the link tagged "Beauty Pageants Should Be Outlawed." On the first page of that, in the upper right, you can see the teeth.
 
2006-08-17 09:45:15 AM  
"Tell me about the rabbits, George."
 
2006-08-17 09:45:48 AM  
sigdiamond2000

Why do so many people in this thread give a shiat if some people are having fun and proposing alternate theories?


Bread. Circuses.


Mostly the circuses.
 
2006-08-17 09:45:50 AM  
philadelphiarich: Oh, he's guilty. The media has already started giving him the classic "middle name" assassin treatment. "John Mark Karr." John Wilkes Booth, Mark David Chapman--step aside, biatches!

LMAO Oh man - brilliant observation!
 
2006-08-17 09:46:32 AM  
jadeheart6 This is BS. The only reason he made a "confession" is because he was arrested in Thailand on a sex charge. He NEVER met Jon Benet and the only reason he knew as much as much as he did about the case is because the info is available on the internet.

Try watching the video on CNN. The Thailand official said they told him they were there to arrest him. "For what?" crazy dude said. "First degree murder," Thai people replied. "NO, second degree murder, not first degree! Second degree - it was an accident," said crazy dude.

echinuts Karr was "surprised" when he was arrested at his apartment All articles mention that he was "surprised" I went to a French school and I cant figure out why surprised is in quotes

This is to indicate an actual quote - the authorities actually used the word surprised in their description of the event. (To let us all know that this was one thing that the press was actually not embellishing or expanding upon in order to get us into a mad fury about something. But, I digress.)

fireclown Do girls have orgasms before puberty? Yes. Studies have shown that both boys and girls are physically capable of doing so before even one year of age, although for boys it's....how you say....a "dry" orgasm until puberty. It is not uncommon for a girl to begin masturbating in order to achieve orgasm, in grade school. (As opposed to just fiddling with oneself, which we have probably all witnessed little kids doing. They focus on the immediate "feelings," not the...ultimate goal. They can't see the forest for the trees, you might say. Even though there's no forest yet. Or not really a tree, just a little stump.)

/Just went from informed and helpful to dirty old lady in 2.6 seconds.
//I prefer a window seat, please, with a blanket and pillow.
 
2006-08-17 09:47:53 AM  
sigdiamond2000: Yeah. Exactly. You can say that for almost every post I've ever made on Fark. I tend to think people I disagree with are wrong. I'm funny that way.

There is a difference between having a difference of opinion and assigning a moral right/wrong to those opinions. In case you didn't know.
 
2006-08-17 09:47:53 AM  
Yes, it is possible to have an orgasm before puberty. But I doubt that a 6 year old would be into auto-erotic asphyxiation.
 
2006-08-17 09:48:37 AM  
NakedReporta

OMFG. That was the SCARIEST damn thing I've seen in a while. Oh, and faethe , the adult teeth look freakin ridiculous on the kids. EW. I think you nailed the Munchausen diagnoses, tho.
 
2006-08-17 09:49:39 AM  
NakedReporta: To look at the slideshow of the first segment, click the link tagged "Beauty Pageants Should Be Outlawed." On the first page of that, in the upper right, you can see the teeth.


That is the creepiest shiat I have ever seen happen to a little person. WHY the fark should someone wish to do that to their child? Disorder, man. I need Sum Dum Gai to rescue to explain what the fark it is that goes on in peoples heads that makes them do that! That's a DSM entry! You bet your ass!
 
2006-08-17 09:49:52 AM  
Did you kill JonBenet?

Yes.

Are you over 80-years-old?

No..

x-files.wikia.com
 
2006-08-17 09:51:12 AM  
IHatePeople

Come on people, at least try to look intelligent here.

And try to do the same.

That guy's familly claim to have pictures placing him elsewhere at xmas '96. Even if they are lying, the guy travelled Asia since it happened, on a temp english teacher salary (which ain't that much), and the ransom note he "wrote" sure doesn't sound like it was written by a teacher.

That anyone accept this guy, with the info provided, as the killer and let the parents off the hook is even dumber than cooking up all those theories.
 
2006-08-17 09:51:40 AM  
Koalaesq: I think you nailed the Munchausen diagnoses, tho.


Mental health issues are only funny when you don't see what happens to the victims. Why can't people just scream at walls - you know? Wall screamers are funny. This is not funny :(
 
2006-08-17 09:52:01 AM  
I lol'd.
 
2006-08-17 09:53:00 AM  
I wouldn't be surprised to hear of some degree of collusion between the three. The whole 6 year old beauy queen is a creepy aspect of it.
 
2006-08-17 09:53:15 AM  
SiON42X: Is it just me, or with his "they fell in love with each other" and "she was very beautiful" does it make it sound like Suwat understands and sympathizes?

No. Just that police in Thailand have seen things that would make the NOLA PD break down in tears. He was probably just being clinical.

IHatePeople: /Just went from informed and helpful to dirty old lady in 2.6 seconds.

/Just went from informed and helpful to dirty old lady in 2.6 seconds.


Thanks for keeping it as clinical as you did. And I do love a 2.6 second dirty old lady. ;)

echinuts Karr was "surprised" when he was arrested at his apartment All articles mention that he was "surprised" I went to a French school and I cant figure out why surprised is in quotes

It's a reference to the joke that ends "No, he's surprising ALL the cows. He's fraking the bull!"
 
2006-08-17 09:53:46 AM  
faethe

Are you done with the strawman attacks, or should I allow you some more time to make a complete ass of yourself?

Here's the simple facts, and I'm sorry if you're too brain-damaged to understand them. The standard procedure for handling a case like this is to eliminate the parents from suspicion first. Why? Because statistically, the parents were involved. So this was explained to the Ramsey family, that they had to be exluded as suspects. Instead of cooperating, they chose to act guilty and make themselves suspects. But oh, I forget, in your farked up world, we're supposed to just take their word for it that they're innocent, no matter what evidence or actions show otherwise, right?
 
2006-08-17 09:54:16 AM  
'But if I killed her that would only prove that I loved her'
/OJ Simpson logic about to kick in
 
2006-08-17 09:54:18 AM  
baorao

There is a difference between having a difference of opinion and assigning a moral right/wrong to those opinions. In case you didn't know.

You're over-thinking this. I'm not assigning any morality to this particular opinion, I just don't understand what possible reason people could have for being upset by some folks proposing alternate theories.
 
2006-08-17 09:54:57 AM  
I'm not buying; not yet.
 
2006-08-17 09:56:26 AM  
The guy may be a +7 kook who confessed to get attention. They said that he was "obsessed" with child slayings. Probably followed every tiny detail of the Ramsey case.
 
2006-08-17 09:57:01 AM  
And for those not yet sufficiently crept out, there is a whole damned circuit of of kiddie beauty pageants. It wasn't just this one family of weird obsessives who wanted to treat their daughter like a barbi doll.
 
2006-08-17 09:57:26 AM  
JestersTear: Here's the simple facts, and I'm sorry if you're too brain-damaged to understand them.


You know what's great about Total Fark (tm)? The ignore list :)

//buh bye!
 
2006-08-17 09:57:32 AM  
Tatsuma You have got to be kidding me right?
1) Looking good as spider girl chief, keep it up
2) Handwriting analysis is shaky at best. Supreme Court rulings have been knocking it since early 90s. Here is an interesting article from straight dope on it. Notice where they say on testing EXPERTS were right 52% of the time, which was about the same as a lay persons rate of accuracy. I am not exonorating the parents. Still not forming an opinion since I do not know all of the available facts. But I do know pinning credibility on that note is stupid.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030418.html

On a related note, the same article touches on the validity of fingerprints, which I have read in other places as well, and whether it is actually a science or not. Given the above mentioned new undies in package cite above that had DNA, and this type of ruling, how will anyone ever get convicted with a decent defense lawyer? Forensic Arson investigation went through the same conundrum, and was found to be mostly horseshiat, due to the California wildfires. Accpeted "science" was thrown out the window by actual findings after YEARS of convictions based on the wrong standards. Sets up the whole "safe" world versus "free" world arguement, with constant cameras becoming more prevalent.
 
2006-08-17 09:59:35 AM  
sigdiamond2000: You're over-thinking this. I'm not assigning any morality to this particular opinion, I just don't understand what possible reason people could have for being upset by some folks proposing alternate theories.

oh ok.
 
2006-08-17 09:59:43 AM  
orlong
What makes Jonbenet any more important than the thousands of other kids this happens to

Apparently, parents who have money and pictures of you all dressed up that the media can display nonstop for the shock factor.

If you think about how many kids have been raped and murdered since then, and how nobody gives a rat's ass about them, it's rather sad that we care so much about JonBenet.

To the media, you're not "missing" unless you are a pretty, rich, white girl.
 
2006-08-17 09:59:59 AM  
YouPeopleAreCrazy
Why is it so hard to believe this guy did it? The kid is dead, someone killed her. Evidently he kows details not made public.

Because police tend to have a bad track record of feeding morons information to make it look like the subject is indeed the killer.
 
2006-08-17 10:02:24 AM  
life is weird. It's weirder than we think it is. It is weirder than we can imagine it is.

I honestly have no idea what the hell happened, but at this point I hope they put this guy in solitary while in prison so he has time to finish his memoirs before he gets killed in prison while awaiting trial.
 
2006-08-17 10:03:12 AM  
In a few short years they will probably be giving these six-year old beauty constestant prostitutes breast implants. You know, because they love them and want them to suck seed in life.
 
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