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2006-08-17 09:18:05 AM
"They fell in love with each other. She was very beautiful. So he kidnapped her and killed her by accident," Suwat said.

This is quoted from a police lieutenant in Thailand. If they want to improve upon their image as being a haven for child molesters, it would help if Thailand officials didn't make this out to be a case of star-crossed lovers.
 
2006-08-17 09:18:31 AM
jook

Commander Cyclops

My guess is that the guy wanted to get out of the charges he faces in Thailand but couldn't afford to flee the country, so he figured out a way to get extradited back to the U.S., and then kicked loose when it becomes obvious how full of shiat he is. Once he's back here, the U.S. is not going to extradite him back to Thailand to face the original charges, even if the Thai police had the resources to come here looking for him. It's a bail jump with free airfare


So he's ditching one death sentence in Thailand for the one he'll get here? if you're right, it's a BRILLIANT MOVE. I'd implore the Presidon't to pardon him, because with that level of gamesmanship, he could find us a way to add quiet to the Middle East.


They said during the news conference earlier that there were no charges against him Thailand. They specifically picked him up for the JonBenet case.
 
2006-08-17 09:18:38 AM
jook

He's also wanted by the State of California on an open warrant for child pornography.

If he makes it back to the States, he'll be in prison one way or another.
 
2006-08-17 09:19:20 AM
The supposed perpetrator does look like some kind of cold-blooded creature that has just been dragged out from under his rock though. He is beyond pale. Looks out of it too. Too serene.

This is bizarre.
 
2006-08-17 09:20:01 AM
newest thing is for the pagent moms to get their kid a set of false teeth made so their teeth look 'adult' sized

Huh? How does that help? I haven't looked at any kiddie-teeth up close, but I don't think they're much smaller than adult teeth. Kids certainly have *fewer* teeth than adults, but they teeth they have are about the same size as adult teeth... Aren't they? I mean, they *are* a bit smaller, but the difference in size isn't enough to be obvious to somebody who isn't literally inches away from the kid's face.
 
2006-08-17 09:20:02 AM
it's amazing what lengths people will go to to keep up their beliefs taht the parents did it though there's never been any shred of evidence to prove it.. yeah they may have acted screwy by being standoffish with cops and press but had they done something say like kiss the cops ass and give them everything they wanted and play to the press' sympathy.. they would've been labeled the killers as well.

the press is who pushed out the belief that the ramsey's were guilty out of a need to make people think the worst. and you sad people cave right in. even if it's conclusively proven he did it you'll all still say something doesn't add up.
 
2006-08-17 09:21:21 AM
dapharmer: there's never been any shred of evidence to prove it..

You don't consider the mother being the only one who had a type of writing similar to the ransom's note "a shred of evidence"?
 
2006-08-17 09:21:24 AM
This is all pretty new, obviously the facts are blurry at best. Before we all go back and forth about where this guy was in '96, how he got in, and whether or not the parents were involved. Please let's try and stay focused on bashing "pagent parents". ok folks?
 
2006-08-17 09:21:30 AM
xX hhallahh Xx

The number of people in this thread who apparently cannot accept that the parents were probably not involved with the murder is mind-boggling.


Yup.
 
2006-08-17 09:21:39 AM
JestersTear: Don't you think that the majority of blame falls on the Ramsey family for continuously refusing to cooperate? They became hated because instead of working with the police to find the killer, they worked against the police and made themselves suspects. I still believe that they had a hand in this.

Frak that. I'm not going to talk to a policeman, DA, judge, coroner or detective without a lawyer EVAH. That "you got nothing to hide, why not just talk for a while" thing is the biggest trap going.
 
2006-08-17 09:21:43 AM
Remember that South Park episode where they implied that Gary Condit, the Ramseys, and O.J. Simpson knew something about the murders that they were associated with? It's funny how it turns out that:

Gary Condit: not guilty
The Ramseys: not guilty
O.J Simpson: ?

/not holding breath for the trifecta
 
2006-08-17 09:21:58 AM
ok this is sick but here it goes,
sick sobs need to die and like this

put his thing in a vise, weld it close
in a wooden shack and set a fire and hand him a rusty
butter knife!
if he gets out.... shoot him in the head
 
2006-08-17 09:22:19 AM
Dragunov7.62: Anyones .45 will do.

/2 in the chest, 1 in the head please.
//in this case either head...
 
2006-08-17 09:22:23 AM
xX hhallahh Xx: The number of people in this thread who apparently cannot accept that the parents were probably not involved with the murder is mind-boggling.

Wait until all the facts are in. The parents still have a lot to answer for, beside being creeps who dressed their daughter up like a pedo's fantasy. Namely, did Mrs. Ramsey write the ransom note? Why did the Ramseys refuse to cooperate with the investigation from the outset, instead hiring lawyers, investigators and PR consultants? Why was this guy in Boulder? Hell, did he even actually do it?
 
2006-08-17 09:22:29 AM
Shazzoir
He is beyond pale

Having been to Thailand, I would think he would be tanner than that by accident. Unless he is inside all day with the kiddies.
 
2006-08-17 09:22:31 AM
faethe: GOD I hope that family sues the living shiat out of the Boulder police!


And the media!
 
2006-08-17 09:22:36 AM
Fantasy carnival outfit = whore outfit? I don't think so. And the whores have a right to live, too.

Whore is a moral judgement. If some kid wears a spiderman outfit and you deem this morally wrong as it is the police's duty to behold the law, does that justify any negative action towards this kid, let alone murder?
 
2006-08-17 09:23:47 AM
This is BS. The only reason he made a "confession" is because he was arrested in Thailand on a sex charge. He NEVER met Jon Benet and the only reason he knew as much as much as he did about the case is because the info is available on the internet.

He DOESN'T want to spend time in a Thailand prison. It's that simple. Once he gets back to the states he will recant his confession. Hell, where would just rather be incarcerated? SE Asia or a nice comfortable cell in the states. He's just a media whore.
 
2006-08-17 09:23:55 AM
This all kinds of farked up right here. My question is how much did the parents know and when did they know it? How was this guy not being actively sought as a suspect years ago? He sent the mother letters? That's just fubar.
 
2006-08-17 09:24:48 AM
What the hell up.
 
2006-08-17 09:24:59 AM
I'll say this--if this guy is really guilty, either (a) he had help from the Ramseys or (b) we're going to have to turn a century of criminological theory on its head. Pretty much every criminologist (other than John Douglas, who can't be considered impartial as he worked for the Ramseys in the investigation) thinks the Ramseys played some part in the crime, either the crime itself or in a coverup. Henry Lee pretty much comes right out and says "the parents did it" in Cracking More Cases.

Breaking into the basement and hiding out for hours, as this guy claims: a sign of an organized killer. Finding your murder weapon at the scene: a sign of a disorganized killer. Leaving the scene without leaving much of a trace (other than the DNA, allegedly): a smart, organized killer. Leaving a rambling, incoherent ransom note using materials found at the scene (and using details only the Ramseys knew about): either the world's stupidest killer, or someone who took dictation from the Ramseys. This guy is all over the farkin' place from a criminological standpoint.
 
2006-08-17 09:25:03 AM
I gotta tell you gang, I really ate crow on this one. I have been dragging the Ramseys name through the mud for the better part of a decade. I really thought they did it. Doops. My bad.
 
2006-08-17 09:25:05 AM
I want to be on record as saying that this guy is a nut and he had nothing to do with this crime. I don't buy that he knew anything more than what I saw on the True Hollywood Stories about the JBR case. The 118,000 ransom was in that show.
 
2006-08-17 09:25:10 AM
Why does John Mark Karr like twenty six year olds?

Because there are twenty of them!

/thanks, I'd be here all week, but I just got a window seat.
 
2006-08-17 09:25:25 AM
So a David Bowie impersonator killed Jon Benet?

/that is the creepiest looking guy I have ever seen.
 
2006-08-17 09:25:48 AM
I think he made it up to get a free flight home OR he wants some PMITA action, and prison is just the place.
 
2006-08-17 09:25:49 AM
They were reporting on the radio this morning that he had contact with the father back in Georgia (Ramseys were in ATL, he was in Conyers).

Don't know how factual this is...
 
2006-08-17 09:26:05 AM
mikelambert70: If some kid wears a spiderman outfit and you deem this morally wrong as it is the police's duty to behold the law, does that justify any negative action towards this kid, let alone murder?

what if he's dressed like that?

www.stevetastic.com

www.stevetastic.com

www.stevetastic.com
 
2006-08-17 09:26:40 AM
gradatim: Huh? How does that help? I haven't looked at any kiddie-teeth up close, but I don't think they're much smaller than adult teeth. Kids certainly have *fewer* teeth than adults, but they teeth they have are about the same size as adult teeth... Aren't they? I mean, they *are* a bit smaller, but the difference in size isn't enough to be obvious to somebody who isn't literally inches away from the kid's face.


When you are six - they are really small, and sometimes they loose them. Plus - when your six - you have no jaw. You don't really grow a jaw until you are just about starting adolescence. You put a set of false teeth in there - you straighten up the shallow jaw, and you make the teeth, even, and larger. What you get is a pudgy looking older teen that is a little over 3 feet tall. The false teeth force definition into an other wise, soft, round face. That being said - I am NOT posting a pic of that shiat, although I am sure if you google 'teeth coverings for younger children' or something like that you can get an illustrated example.
 
2006-08-17 09:26:46 AM
Karr was "surprised" when he was arrested at his apartment

All articles mention that he was "surprised"

I went to a French school and I cant figure out why surprised is in quotes

Was he surpised or not?

Best defense for the guy is to say that he was paid by the mom. The dead cant defend themselves, right?
 
2006-08-17 09:26:47 AM
faethe

OK, I am just dumbfounded now. But I don't understand- they WANT to make the kids look older? I thought the whole idea is that they're young and fresh... but then again, thewy whored up JonBenet so much I guess not...

I clearly have no understanding of the child beauty queen circuit.
 
2006-08-17 09:27:25 AM
From a letter Karr wrote to Mrs. Ramsey: "By the way, Mrs. Ramsey...love the suit."


/He ate her liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti
//accidentally, of course
 
2006-08-17 09:27:36 AM
They didn't need to pimp her, they had enough money.

Who said it was a money thing? Maybe they liked to watch. Maybe they liked to play, and liked others to take part, as well.

I am interested to see how this "was out of state for the holidays" scenario plays out, though. If he couldn't have done it, how did he find out the details?

Oh yeah, and that resume of his made me puke a little in my mouth.
 
2006-08-17 09:27:38 AM
jook
So he's ditching one death sentence in Thailand for the one he'll get here? if you're right, it's a BRILLIANT MOVE.

Try reading for comprehension. It's a positive.
 
2006-08-17 09:28:34 AM
Tatsuma..

um.. WTF was that? Its frightening.
 
2006-08-17 09:28:35 AM
IHatePeople:

fireclown
This is the golden phase of this whole cycle. EVERYONE talking a hundred miles an hour with no effing clue what is going on. THIS is where the quotes come from that are funny later on.

Thank you for trying to be the voice of reason.


Hey, I'm just one man, and this is FARK after all. I wasn't really trying to put a mess of reason into this whole thing, just give a heads up that some comedy GOLD is gonna come out of the next few hours.



I must now toss out a creepy question about adult men and little girls and relationships. Forgive me for being graphic. Do girls have orgasms before puberty? There has been talk about Asphyxia leading to an unintended death, which begs some other creepy questions. I'm not trying to turn this into a 'tell me about your first time" thread, but could one of you female farkers set the record straight on this?
 
2006-08-17 09:28:47 AM
Tatsuma
Gee, you seem to know more about this family than the Boulder police and this farkin' child molester......

You people kill me, putting all these theories together, and acting like you're figured it all out.

Anyone who would have a sexual relationship with a child is looney-tunes crazy. They are not playing with a full deck of cards. If he killed her by accident, he no doubt freaked and decided to write the ransom note to throw everybody off. Do you really think he had all the marbles together to think about being caught while he was writing it?

Come on people, at least try to look intelligent here.

/has a strong urge to drive around blasting "One Night in Bangkok"
// I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine
 
2006-08-17 09:29:14 AM
newest thing is for the pagent moms to get their kid a set of false teeth made so their teeth look 'adult' sized

Huh? How does that help? I haven't looked at any kiddie-teeth up close, but I don't think they're much smaller than adult teeth. Kids certainly have *fewer* teeth than adults, but they teeth they have are about the same size as adult teeth... Aren't they? I mean, they *are* a bit smaller, but the difference in size isn't enough to be obvious to somebody who isn't literally inches away from the kid's face.


They're noticably smaller, and don't forget about the missing teeth of a typical 6 year old. gotta cover those up.
 
2006-08-17 09:29:52 AM
Wow. This guy looks and talks like Kevin Spacey in "Seven."
 
2006-08-17 09:29:54 AM
jadeheart6: This is BS. The only reason he made a "confession" is because he was arrested in Thailand on a sex charge.


Once again - NO HE WAS NOT. He was teaching in Thailand, and the US cops were investigating him over the Jon Benet case. No one in Thailand gave shiat about what he did, or who he was doing. Thailand = kiddy pr0n ground zero for the entire farking planet.
 
2006-08-17 09:30:07 AM
NakedReporta: Who said it was a money thing? Maybe they liked to watch. Maybe they liked to play, and liked others to take part, as well.

Well "pimping" implies for money, while I agree that what you said is a possibility, that's what I think happened.

I am interested to see how this "was out of state for the holidays" scenario plays out, though. If he couldn't have done it, how did he find out the details?

definitely, I'm really interested. I personally think he probably wants out of Thailand and, I can understand why. I'd probably claim to have shot Kennedy and killed Julius Caesar to get out of there.

Oh yeah, and that resume of his made me puke a little in my mouth.

Holy crap, if he's (and he most likely is) a pedophile, he probably made a lot of victims, that's frightening.
 
2006-08-17 09:30:39 AM
From a more in-depth Yahoo article (pops):

"I was with JonBenet when she died," John Mark Karr told reporters afterward, visibly nervous and stuttering as he spoke. "Her death was an accident."... He said he was in love with the child, she was a pageant queen...When asked how he could travel for so many years in Asia, and whether he was independently wealthy, Hurst (Ann Hurst of the Department of Homeland Security) responded, "We're asking the same questions.

/some interesting loose ends remain.
 
2006-08-17 09:30:40 AM
why preview?
 
2006-08-17 09:30:55 AM
I know how he got inside the house.


The Ramseys should be happy he didn't poke their eyes out through the peephole.


members.aol.com
 
2006-08-17 09:31:35 AM
David Byrne killed JonBenet!

d.yimg.com

Fa Fa Fa Fa, Fa Fa Fa Fa Fa Fa
 
2006-08-17 09:31:36 AM
Poor little kid. Mom was retarded to put her in those beauty pagents to begin with.
This guy looks like a total freak, but theres too much that just doesn't add up. He could just be a weirdo looking for attention too.

If there is a heaven, surely that little girl is in, getting daily apologies from God for putting her in the center of such a freak show.
 
2006-08-17 09:31:47 AM
Whether he did it or not, I place a $100 bet on him coming to the States and saying his confession was coerced and beaten out of him.

Who's in?
 
2006-08-17 09:32:50 AM
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2006-08-17 09:32:52 AM
jadeheart6:

This is BS. The only reason he made a "confession" is because he was arrested in Thailand on a sex charge. He NEVER met Jon Benet and the only reason he knew as much as much as he did about the case is because the info is available on the internet.

He DOESN'T want to spend time in a Thailand prison. It's that simple. Once he gets back to the states he will recant his confession. Hell, where would just rather be incarcerated? SE Asia or a nice comfortable cell in the states. He's just a media whore.


Apparently you didn't watch the news conference earlier or read the post I made right before yours.

He was not charged with any wrongdoing in Thailand. The Thailand authorities along with US authorities picked him up specifically for the JonBenet case.

Once again, with feeling: He isn't charged with any crime in Thailand.
 
2006-08-17 09:33:35 AM
Patsy...I'm sorry I told you to burn in hell. Add this one to my list of bad judgements on people. I'm still apologizing to Richard Jewell.
 
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