kronicfeld: Why does Albert R. Broccoli hate America?

I'll admit it, that made me giggle

the_gospel_of_thomas: Or they could decide which would cause a theoretically higher destructive level ... if someone would be so nice as to help them out. If they had only ONE ... then it's a good idea to figure out where would be the BEST place to set it off. It's not that i'm upset that this is news, as much as I am once again - not surprised at all in the least.

Where did the article give the info that says that Long Beach is the BEST place to set it off? Did it give comparison numbers that I'm missing?

noit - At my friends house, one of his windows had a broken lock. Anyone could just lift it up and climb in. Nobody did though, because nobody knew except me and him. If I was a journalost, I'd have published the address and which window it was. Nobody thinks you're smart because you know how to hurt yourself. You don't hear Muslims using the press to warning Al Qaeda that such and such mountain isn't a good enough hiding place for Bin Laden.

That's just the point. If someone wanted to break into your friend's house... They'd find that window, or another equally effective way to gain entry.

If someone wants to blow the shiat out of something in the U.S., they'll find a target... maybe not this exact one, but one just as effective.

You're confusing the mentalities behind a crime of opportunity with a premeditated act...

If someone aquires a bomb... They're doing some premeditation, lots of it, and they're not gonna waste their one firecracker without exploring a lot of ways to get the biggest bang for their buck.

So, we can wink at each other and pretend our vulnerabilities don't exist... or we can acknowledge them and do our best to patch the holes.

But, I don't know, maybe you're right. Maybe if we all turn off our lights and crawl under our beds, the 'turrists' will think we're not home.

And lacking the skills required to build an atomic bomb. Nevermind all the required materials. It takes a bit more than some uranium or plutonium to make an atomic bomb.


actually, building a low-yield "Fat Boy" style nuclear weapon is remarkably easy.

I won't give the details here though. Al Qaeda might be reading fark.....or a third year physics textbook.

Nukes in California would be best used in:

Irwindale
Palmdale
Lancaster
Fresno
Madera
Bakersfield

and other third-world empires.

Watch out! Teh Terrorists might launch a fleet of space shuttles from south America, build a space station -- completely undetected, -- hire an assassin with huge metal teeth to defend any zionist spy that might try to get in, and send plastic spheres with a botanical toxin to "wipe off Israel from the map" and kill all infidels!!!!!(eleventy!!!)!!11!

/tard

Oh and Mojave.

Can't leave out Mojave...gateway to Kramer Junction.

I'm sure any terrorist group capable of such a major feat knows what targets are going to have the best effect.

"Hey Osama, should we blow up the Long Beach Port or a Walmart in Alabama?" "Hmm... The Walmart! Blowing up the Walmart will destroy many great infidel bargins! Those sheets my wives are wearing are only $12.95 each, and that's not even on sale!" "By the beard of the Prophet, that is a bargin!"

Also, I am almost certain that if any terrorist ever manages to nuke America, it will happen at a port. Because they have to bring it in a shipping crate. No terrorist sponsor state or group has the technology to build the legendary "suitcase nuke."

A nuclear explosion at the Port of Long Beach could kill 60,000 people immediately, expose 150,000 more to hazardous radiation

Those numbers actually seem kind of low. A nuclear explosion contained within the Rose Bowl or the Coliseum on game day would kill more than that.

FarkmeBlind

If you want to do that, why bother targeting someplace full of people? It would be MUCH easier to bomb Hoover or Glen Canyon and wreck not only the San Joaquin watershed, but also the feeder system for Vegas.

This is only a "big bad scary" idea if you're too dumb to figure out even worse case scenarios.

methinks you don't know much about the water table manipulation in california if you think the hoover dam would be a bigger target.

firstly:
los angeles + san francisco + san diego > las vegas

secondly:
more farmland is irrigated by the san joaquin watershed than any other water source in the nation.

the entire state is farmland and desert and they're both fed by a water supply that could be knocked down like a stack of dominoes from one source.

you could drop one in the center of NYC, but if we're talking california i can't think of a better target.

Abagadro:
A large number of them are engineers and physicians.

physicians?

1. Detonate a nuclear device in Long Beach
2. Send in Islamic physicians to heal and convert the survivors.
3. Profit!!!

CALEEEEEFORNEEEEEYUH!

the_gospel_of_thomas - Exactly.

At the VERY LEAST ... we shouldn't be making their jobs easier.

Yeah, because guys who thought to enroll people in our very own flight schools in order to use airliners as guided missiles would certainly have tremendous difficulty with achieving something as tough as googling "population" or "ports."

Listen, I get it... You're scared, and articles like these disturb what remaining sense of security you have left... but I promise you, they aren't doing a thing in the world for "turrists."

A terrorist wouldn't be you, sitting at home, not thinking about it who suddenly stumbles on a story and says "hot damn! I never knew that! Hey guys, look what we can do!!!" It wouldn't come as some big surprise.

It's people who would be thinking and planning and researching and focusing 8 hours a day 7 days a week for months on end looking for the best way to shoot the wad. In that time, they'll come up with more scenarios and possibilities than you'll ever dream or hear of.

dbaggins: a third year physics textbook.

heh there you go. Actually there are certain technical issues with a Fatboy type set up that do require a fair aount of knowledge and expertise, nevermind precision in manufacture. The thing itself is basic, getting it to work right? That's a different matter.

the_gospel_of_thomas
Wah wah waaaah, look at me! look at me!

Seriously, one of the greater mistakes you can make is to assume your enemy is stupid, inhuman, and/or insane. It's not like these people aren't laying awake at night thinking of places they could hit that would really hurt us....

Grrr, does Farkit work for the Mac?

char_boy, this is going to be THE WIERDEST QUESTION I EVER ASKED, but do you happen to know or work with an Autistic teenager in Rochester, NY?

I can't believe you said "Don't talk to me about Gene Hackman". My mother worked with a child for years who had a visceral...hatred, or rather FEAR of Gene Hackman, in all forms, and he used to run around class saying "DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT GENE HACKMAN"

I lol'd for minutes when I read your post.

I submit that you are a Montanian faking being in California's Central Valley to be one of the 'cool kids'. =D

The 'cool kids' definately don't live in the central valley. Darn place goes over 110 degrees regularly during the summer!

i have said this before but, I will say it again...

Is our government spending enough to protect our ports or are they too busy being concerned about the electricity in iraq?

Is Bakersfield that bad?

/just askin'
//Buck Owens was way cool...

iamrobot
firstly:
los angeles + san francisco + san diego > las vegas

And as I cited earlier, most people (like you, apparently) want to think Cali is all one thing from OR to Mexico. It isn't. In fact, San Francisco does not get its water from the same watershed as LA, since they are real far apart (gettin' more to your level). San Francisco has its own dams, supply, etc. and you could bomb Hoover and Glen all you want and we'd just up the prices for water going south.

If you truly believe what you said above, this pat on the head's for you, little buddy. Sure hope someday you actually locate a map of Cali.

THIS JUST IN:

NSA bans all maps, atlases and globes

jarbabyj
NSA bans all maps, atlases and globes

On the to-be-banned list for next week:
Abaci
velocipedes
sextants
octants
tridents
CCDs, DVDs, and ABC's

I could go on...

Boobies!!!

Those numbers actually seem kind of low. A nuclear explosion contained within the Rose Bowl or the Coliseum on game day would kill more than that.

Step AWAY from the keyboard Mr. Clancy...

If they blow up L.A, can we have Owens Valley back?

FarkMeBlind

NSA TO BE TAUGHT WHAT AN ABACUS IS, DITTO FOR SEXTANTS...ALTHOUGH IT IS ASSUMED TO BE PORNOGRAPHIC IN NATURE.

studebaker hoch quotes Boobies!!! previous post and replies...
Step AWAY from the keyboard Mr. Clancy...

I miss John Le Carre. None of this blowing people up all messily and sh|t; a true gentleman slips a fingerprintless stiletto into his enemy's eye, and is away to a decent meal of tartare and caviar before the new cadaver can produce its first batch of blowflies.

jarbabyj
ALTHOUGH IT IS ASSUMED TO BE PORNOGRAPHIC IN NATURE.

A wink's as good as a nudge to a blind bat.

Scare tactics, I wonder if rand ever took the time to appreciate how difficult it is to acquire nukes and how hard any "broken arrrows" are to maintain. Missing "suitcase nukes" are useless without a lab full of wildly expensive equipment and teams full of know how. Personally, I don't see and real ingenuity combined with decent eduation from any of these "terrorist" groups which should cause any level of concern for any well informed person. I suppose that RAND corp., a government think tank, was employed to find out the worst case scenario and release this to the public. Again, scare tactics and tax dollars at work.

YouDidWhat
Again, scare tactics and tax dollars at work.

Well, MacGuyver could do it. He wouldn't even have to have someone else hold his beer. Jamie and Adam and Kari and that welding chick could do it, but it might take more beer than you happen to have on hand. Go get some more, we'll wait.

CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED

Hit a NASCAR super-speedway during one of the last 10 races of the season and you've got an easy quarter million in instant fatalities.

Yes, but would anyone really care. Does anybody really know what time it is?

This is nothing new. The CIA has been saying for years that the North Koreans probably have contingency plans to weld a nuke into the boiler of a South Korean flagged cargo ship, sail it into Long Beach harbor and set it off if things ever get dicey.

/lives in Long Beach
//has a week's supply of food and water and shotgun ready to ward off zombies after the apocalypse

So... where best for Florida? I mean, just so I can be prepared. To shiver with giddiness.

Please tell me it's Orlando.

Terrorists aren't stupid. Any terrorist could have come up with that information independently.

/Article was still published in bad taste and under poor judgment
//Doesn't mean it's a danger to security
///Certainly doesn't mean similar information should be banned

Oh, sure they could bomb LA (or Long Beach) and do lots of damage, but NY is so much closer.

/terrorists are notoriously lazy

If they nuke Hollywood, there won't be any way to make movies about the nuking of Hollywood. This could be a good thing.

studebaker hoch: Nukes in California would be best used in:

Irwindale
Palmdale
Lancaster
Fresno
Madera
Bakersfield

and other third-world empires.

Your "Billy the Mountain" is showing, Mr. fantastic new superhero of the current economic slump. Oh, and you forgot Watts.

Long as we're faced with imminent doom,
we might as well enjoy what we can.

nuke california? oh man, don't destroy the pretty parts - - let me send you my address. i'll be ground zero.

nlscb: Respectfully disagrees



Yeah, the prime spot is A little north of Otisburg, near Luthorville. Well north of Lex Springs and far to the South of Teschmacher Peaks.

that damn libuhrul media...why do they hate amurica?