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(MSNBC)   Sen. George Allen (R-VA) tries to un-ring the Bell of Racist Asshattery   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line 69
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2006-08-16 02:25:17 PM  
so if he called him a Polar bear, how about that.

polar bears are white.

the guy was following him around recording him TRYING to piss him off. he was acting like a monkey.
 
2006-08-16 02:36:03 PM  
but has said he has grown since then.

I like how that bit waited until the end
 
2006-08-16 02:48:39 PM  
Gahbrone
so if he called him a Polar bear, how about that.

polar bears are white.



Yeah! What an excellent, perfectly logical point! What if he had called him a Orange Julius?! That's ORANGE! Not racist because the guy wasn't orange, duh!
 
2006-08-16 02:49:00 PM  
he was acting like a monkey.

A...porch monkey?
 
2006-08-16 02:56:34 PM  
Allen has been accused of racial insensitivity before. He wore a Confederate flag pin in his high school yearbook photo, used to keep a Confederate flag in his living room, a noose in his law office and a picture of Confederate troops in his governor's office, but has said he has grown since then.

Ya know, maybe, just maybe, this kind of guy might want to avoid the potentially racist nick-names?
 
2006-08-16 03:44:10 PM  
Acting like a monkey, in an all caucasian crowd, in southern Virginia.

Sure.
 
2006-08-16 03:56:04 PM  
Gahbrone: the guy was following him around recording him TRYING to piss him off. he was acting like a monkey.

Ya, like totally! I mean, being the only event he had attended and just sitting there recording and saying nothing = That's so following him around and being a monkey!

/dumbass
 
2006-08-16 04:01:29 PM  
Methinks if Allen doesn't like people with cameras following him around, he's in the wrong line of work.
 
2006-08-16 05:25:12 PM  
Smiley isn't too bright, but he sure is electable
 
2006-08-16 07:28:39 PM  
On Monday, Allen spokesman Dick Wadhams said the name "Macaca" was a variation of "Mohawk," the nickname Allen campaign staffers gave Sidarth for his partially cropped haircut. Allen, however, said Tuesday that he made up the name himself.

Yeah. And when I called him a coon. So what? It's an acronym for "Coolest Opposition Observer Noted"....which he was! He was by far the coolest democrat that I saw in the room!

...and if you heard me calling him what must have sounded like "wog", was really just me complimenting him on his "western blog", which I abbreviate sometimes among my staff members.

....and that other thing I said? Really I was just suggesting he "pack himself" a lunch. Dunno what you thought that sounded like, but it was meant as anything but a slur.

/lies lies lies, yeah.

does he really think everyone is THAT stupid? Does he think that even the GOP-bots who cannot admit to any wrongdoing by anyone with a "R" in brackets behind their name will eat this shiat and call it icecream?

2006-08-16 02:25:17 PM Gahbrone: the guy was following him around recording him TRYING to piss him off. he was acting like a monkey.

Guess he's right. They WILL believe it if they want to.
 
2006-08-16 07:51:18 PM  
he's a spoiled richkid from san diego who is a wannabe redneck. he's like W, he tries to be a good ole boy, but he just looks like an idiot. no presidency for you, george allen!

he's definately a racist though. he opposed making MLK a state holiday in VA - but he instituted "confederate heritage week". he keeps a noose hanging in his office - no doubt to tell the Virginny minorities to know their place. and he's been a lifelong fan of the slaver flag.
 
2006-08-16 07:53:44 PM  
Allen is such a syzzeg.

/It's a code word.
//Those in the know will know what it means.
///You don't know? What are you, a macaca?
 
2006-08-16 07:54:10 PM  
I say that we police every word we say. You know, every utterance should be recorded and cateloged just to make sure that we don't knowingly, or unknowingly, say something that might offend somebody. Our goal is to make sure that nobody is ever offended, ever, by any utterance be it intended, unintended or in any way inferred.

Then we'll all be happy.
 
2006-08-16 07:56:58 PM  
he's definately a racist though. he opposed making MLK a state holiday in VA - but he instituted "confederate heritage week"

Hooray! Vacations in the name of everybody! We have LOTS of important historical figures to go through. So, eventually we'll reach the point where every day is a day off.

Hooray for holidays!
 
2006-08-16 07:57:14 PM  
macaca is a racial slur in north africa

george allen's mom is from north africa

welcome to today's edition of putting two and two together.
 
2006-08-16 08:16:15 PM  
Gahbrone:

the guy was following him around recording him TRYING to piss him off. he was acting like a monkey.

It is a common practice and both campaigns were doing it. It appeared from what I heard from this guy's audio that he was quietly doing his job taping the event and Allen stepped in it. Allen made the assumption that since the guy was brown he was not American or only recently arrived to the country, never mind that the kid was born in Fairfax and goes to the University of VA.
 
2006-08-16 08:26:21 PM  
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/ yes, I'm really going to do this every time a thread involving Allen or Billary comes up from now until election '08
 
2006-08-16 08:28:35 PM  
Gahbrone: the guy was following him around recording him TRYING to piss him off. he was acting like a monkey.


Wow. So your argument here is that calling him a monkey was merely being descriptive?
 
2006-08-16 08:32:44 PM  
Bon_Scott: Hooray! Vacations in the name of everybody! We have LOTS of important historical figures to go through. So, eventually we'll reach the point where every day is a day off.

Yeah, that was one of the excuses for opposing the MLK holiday. That and "he was a commie", "he was a philanderer", and "hoover didn't like him". Opposing the MLK was based on bigotry and nothing else.
 
2006-08-16 08:32:57 PM  
img98.imageshack.us

Yeah yeah yeah, everything is freaking racist.

Get a life.
 
2006-08-16 08:35:47 PM  
At the very least, Allen comes across as a jerk and a bully. Just as bad as what he said is the video of him disparagingly pointing at the man(camera) repeatedly as he taunted him. The dude's gotta be the smarmiest Republican in a while, and that's saying a lot.
 
2006-08-16 08:46:33 PM  
I copied this from the earlier post, I didn't know there would be a follow up.

Darkace911: Daily Kos is reaching as they always do and failing at it. Allen will be re-elected in Nov and going on the Presidency in 2008. The go left dems will put up another Kerry or Gore in 2008 and get smashed.

I hate to disappoint you, but his Presidential hopes are destroyed. He has given Democrats a soundbite that fits into a pattern of behavior he has exhibited throughout his life. This was his Trent Lott moment.

I would also say not to be to confident of his Senate run either. Jim Webb was Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, a recipient of the Navy Cross, a rather gifted author, and according to Larry Sabato he is Allen's biggest nightmare.
(Larry Sabato is a local scholar)

Considering that Allen has been nothing more than a mouthpiece for Bush, and Webb had the balls to resign in protest of Bush(1) defense cuts, Allen is in big trouble.
 
2006-08-16 08:50:08 PM  
Y'know, people jump all over Howard Dean for pointing out white folks in pickup trucks with Confederate flags need health insurance too, but a Senator calling the kid the French version of the N word? "Just get over it, everyone's racist, bla bla bla".

I suppose everyone saying "SUCK IT UP LIBS" were totally behind the Democratic senator when he said you can't go into a 7-11 without hearing an Indian accent.
 
2006-08-16 08:51:23 PM  
flavor of the month: macaca is a racial slur in north africa

george allen's mom is from north africa

welcome to today's edition of putting two and two together.


Don't forget that Allen has a history of identifying with Confederacy stuff, including (no joke) hanging a noose in his law office. (source)

Not to mention the context of his statement: "Let's give a welcome to Macaca here. Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia."

All in all, it's a pretty clear-cut case of racism.
 
2006-08-16 08:57:47 PM  
HumbleGod:

All in all, it's a pretty clear-cut case of racism.

Funnier still Allen is from CA and this kid was a native Viginian.
 
2006-08-16 09:06:02 PM  
the guy's a virginia local and cali-born "Southern Man" Allen welcomes him to the country?

Congrats man, you just shot yourself in the foot. wanna do it again?
 
2006-08-16 09:11:42 PM  
In 1984, he was one of 27 House members to vote against a state holiday commemorating Martin Luther King Jr. The Richmond Times-Dispatch reported, "Allen said the state shouldn't honor a non-Virginian with his own holiday." He was also bothered by the fact that the proposed holiday would fall on the day set aside in Virginia to honor Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson. That same year, he did feel the urge to honor one of Virginia's own. He co-sponsored a resolution expressing "regret and sorrow upon the loss" of William Munford Tuck, a politician who opposed every piece of civil rights legislation while in Congress during the 1950s and 1960s and promised "massive resistance" to the Supreme Court's 1954 decision banning segregation.

It seems George Allen didn't just pull the word "macaca" out of nowhere. It's a French slur, derived from the word macaque, as in monkey, used against the dark-skinned people of North Africa. And guess what? George Allen's mother was a French national (one presumes she was not a black woman) who lived in North Africa before coming to the US (she was in the US at least by the late 50s). And judging by the rather terrible French relations with North Africa during the era, it's likely that a white French woman living in the area might know a few nasty words for dark people, and use them around her children.
 
2006-08-16 09:13:22 PM  
As I posted the other day on this same subject:

If I'm a politician and I see a black guy in a crowd of otherwise willy white supporters, I know he is working for the opposition and I acknowledge him and then refer to him and "make-up" a name for him like, oh let's say for example "Schvartze" this might seem a little odd. Now, the term (name) may not immediately ring any bells or appear to be an issue because those around may not have any familiarity with the term on a first hand basis.

When people start questioning why I used this particular term as a "name" or point of reference used to describe this particular guy I guess I could claim that I had no idea what it meant and I was just making up a word on the spot with no offense intended. Some people may even buy this argument as plausible and think it a non-issue. However, if the fact is that my mother is jewish and speaks yiddish and I had been exposed to that language routinely growing up, then its simply inconceivable that I don't know that the term is pretty much outright racists when applied to a black person. (nearly on par with the N word)

This is exactly what is going on with Allen. The term macaca is well known amongst those with Belgian and French backgrounds from northern africa and is just as well-known, objectionable and racist as the N word is in America. Allen grew up exposed to this word (since his mom is of french/belgian descent from north africa) just as surely as in my example a person growing up with a yiddish speaking mother would have been exposed to schvartze. While the listeners in the crowd may not have immediately understood the meaning or context of his remarks when he singled out the young "brown skinned" guy, I don't buy for a second that Allen didn't know that the term had overt racist tones or that he just simply made up on the spot, or confused it with the word "mohawk", etc.

Besides, as so many others have pointed out, even if we buy this BS argument, there is the whole thing about "welcome to america, welcome to virginia" which reeks of condescension and an inherent racist presumption that anyone who doesn't look "white enough" to you is automatically a "foreigner." The interesting thing, Allen is the non-native Virginian, the kid was born there Allen wasn't, so he's the friggin carpetbagger in this case.

BTW, I'm lilly white and think that an awful lot of claims of racism are over-blown and just silly. Not so much in this case as its rather blatent and obvious and his excuses keep changing by the minute which is a sure sign he's trying to cover up for saying something stupid and bad which he knows to have been stupid and bad.
 
2006-08-16 09:19:26 PM  
Je m'excuse.

Je n'ais pas dit "Sambo". C'est simplement un compliment. Il a "jambes beaux".

/incroyable aussi en Francais
 
2006-08-16 09:22:25 PM  
No presidency for you.
 
2006-08-16 09:25:53 PM  
Lackofname: Y'know, people jump all over Howard Dean for pointing out white folks in pickup trucks with Confederate flags need health insurance too, but a Senator calling the kid the French version of the N word? "Just get over it, everyone's racist, bla bla bla".

Never mind that it's racist - it's French!
 
2006-08-16 09:31:16 PM  
2006-08-16 02:25:17 PM Gahbrone


so if he called him a Polar bear, how about that.

polar bears are white.

the guy was following him around recording him TRYING to piss him off. he was acting like a monkey.


cool, david duke is on the other line wondering if you would head up his next campaign bid...

wtf ever.. so now acting like a monkey is defined as standing in a crowd with a camera, which last time i checked is legal unless you are arab(apparently), being polite and not yelling or saying something while the man is talking, and then having racial slurs thrown at you.. not once, not twice, but at least three times...

he says he made up the word on the spot, but called him a "macaca" twice and then the last time said "lets welcome Macac" or something similar... he prolly looked it up and thought no one would notice if he called him some off the wall racist term...
 
2006-08-16 09:32:02 PM  
10 U.S.C. 311: Yeah yeah yeah, everything is freaking racist.

I see that the only defense of Allen in these threads is "Oh, you oversensative liberals! So he essentially called a non-white guy a n****r. Unbunch your panties!"

I don't get this type of comment. Is it okay for Allen to say this stuff because he's on your team, or because you agree with the meaning of that comment?

As much as people like Bon_Scott may dislike it, we're in the era of YouTube politics, where each candidate's every word is publicized. No more room for "innocent" racism like this anymore.
 
2006-08-16 09:34:07 PM  
BTW, has anyone noticed how he smiles as he is attacking, I've seen him do this for nearly a decade and it really creeps me out. He looks like the Joker sometimes.

It also reminds me of Tom Delay's mugshot.
 
2006-08-16 09:36:12 PM  
kronicfeld: A...porch monkey?

Maybe Allen's just taking it back....
 
2006-08-16 09:45:13 PM  
Wait a minute, The monkeys in Virginia have cameras and follow you around trying to piss you off. Man I'm glad the ones here only fling crap at you.
 
2006-08-16 09:46:09 PM  
To "the biggest redneck here", keep it up, he was the best Governor we've had in decades.

Weird Trivia fact about James Webb... Webb wrote the story and was the executive producer for the 2000 movie Rules of Engagement, which starred Tommy Lee Jones and Samuel L. Jackson. (Al Gore connection there)(I can't wait to see Snakes on a Plane j/k)

He also boxed Ollie North (Who ran for this same Senate seat)
 
2006-08-16 09:48:25 PM  
This is a travesty for a senator to make such a racist remark. He claims he had no idea what they term meant, yet he knew enough about it to use it to describe the guy.

You can see the vid on YouTube.com at: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pL3Q9gUEvtA

It's disgusting that he labeled the guy that and then he had the nerve to say he was refering to the kid's mohak. WTF?!?

George Allen is a racist and white-trash.
 
2006-08-16 09:55:18 PM  
The First: You can see the vid on YouTube.com

I like how he starts that segment by saying "My friends, we're gonna run this campaign on positive, constructive ideas!" Clearly that lasted all of half a sentence.
 
2006-08-16 10:06:21 PM  
The First: George Allen is a racist and white-trash.

No, he's wannabe white trash. He's a carpetbagging opportunist. He knows he has to pander especially hard to the redneck vote in Virginia. That's why he does all the slaver-flag waving, the opposition to anything MLK, and the "welcome to america, monkey" comments.

i'm sure siddarth got right under his skin. i hope siddarth follows him all around the campaign trail. rub allen hard enough and he might crack again.
 
2006-08-16 10:10:52 PM  
all this time and not even one mention:

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please do not taunt dynamite siddarth...
 
2006-08-16 10:12:39 PM  
HumbleGod, everyone I know who I sent the link said the same thing. How ironic.

moops, white-trash or white-trash wannabe this is no way for a senator to be behaving. This man is an insult to the human race. He has to loose this November election.
 
2006-08-16 10:15:37 PM  
Allen's Racist Troubles:
1. Suspended for graffiti on the walls at his southern California
high school (VERY wealthy suburban clientele). He says remarks were
just against a rival sports team. Others say the graffiti was racist.

2. High school senior yearbook picture taken with a Confederate flag
pin in his lapel. This in California and with Allen having
no "heritage" to honor or ancestors in the fight to remember.

3. Allen called out for his huge Confederate flag in his home. Said
it was just part of his "historical" flag collection.

4. Allen called out for the hangman's noose he kept in his law
office. Allen said it was just part of the Western "decor."

5. Allen declares a special week as governor to honor Confederates in
the Civil War. Never mentions slavery in the proclamation.

6. Allen vehemently opposes making Martin Luther King, Jr.'s,
birthday a holiday.

7. Allen calls a young American of Indian descent "macaca," a
derogatory term used in Europe (especially Franch) to refer to dark-
skinned people, especially those from North Africa. Note that Allen
speaks French and his mother is of French/Spanish ancestry and was
raised in Tunisia.
 
2006-08-16 10:19:32 PM  
the first
technically macak is the slur and macaca is the monkey.. just to note.. but it doesnt change anything...lol
 
2006-08-16 10:28:30 PM  
Gahbrone: polar bears are white.


Polar bears have black skin.

/apologies if someone already said this.
 
2006-08-16 10:31:25 PM  
...And what will he say on the campaign trail tomorrow?

"These boys is not white! These boys is not white! Hell, they ain't even ol'-timey! I happen to know, ladies'n gentlemen, this band a miscreants here, this very evening, they interfered with a lynch mob inna performance of its duties!"

"It's true! I b'long to a certain society, I don't believe I gotta mention its name, heh-heh..."

"Listen to me! These boys desecrated a fiery cross!"

"Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Is you is or is you ain't my constichency?"

Do you think we could have a rail waiting for him to be ridden out on?
 
2006-08-16 10:31:36 PM  
Macaca is the slur and macaque is the monkey.

/and mah cock is something entirely different
 
2006-08-16 10:43:06 PM  
What is it with some people and these terms. I don't think much about it as these people come from different eras where terms like "tar baby" and "gay" meant very different things (in the case of this asshole, the term did not change meanings as far as I know).

That said, times change and terms change. I do not use these terms in everyday speak. I don't use them with my family or friends, nor am I actively filtering them from whatever crazy stuff is in my head.

If someone uses a term in public speaking, they must be thinking the term and perhaps even use it in their private conversations.

Whether they know it or not, they are subconsciously racist. People who say that racism no longer exists are wrong. Racism still exists in the minds of many people. It may not be institutionalized anymore, but if we drop our guard too early, it can come back.
 
2006-08-16 10:52:28 PM  
I'm reminded of the guy who was introducing Martin Luther King Jr and called him 'Martin Luther Coon' by accident.
 
2006-08-16 10:55:08 PM  
dictionary.com says macaca is "a genus of Old World monkeys including the rhesus monkey (M. mulatta) and other macaques "

macaque is described as "any of numerous short-tailed Old World monkeys of the genus Macaca and related genera chiefly of southern Asia and the East Indies; especially : RHESUS MONKEY "

so they're both monkeys, allen is still a turd sandwich, making webb the giant douche....lol
 
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