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(Guardian)   Japanese PM castigated for going to church. Again   (guardian.co.uk ) divider line
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531 clicks; posted to Politics » on 15 Aug 2006 at 9:02 AM (10 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2006-08-15 08:44:22 AM  
That is a misleading headline, to say the least. But I don't care; I am still in awe of the picture. Apparently there are some rather organized protesters in Japan.
 
2006-08-15 08:59:18 AM  
They cut off his balls for going to church?

/Bhuddists are hardcore...
 
2006-08-15 09:06:15 AM  
OlafTheBent: Funny, I was just about to post about why they would be pleasuring him if they were so mad at him.

/Castigate, Masticate, Conjugate, all the same thing, really...
 
2006-08-15 09:33:15 AM  
Why shouldn't he visit the war dead? Are they not brave because they were against us..
 
2006-08-15 10:13:16 AM  
This was the top story on Radio China International last night. Yes bigger than the war in the Middle East, Iraq, or Iran. The Japanese PM pissed off over 1 billion people. South Korea is also pissed. So today the Japanese PN is more hated than George Bush! Way to go!
 
2006-08-15 10:57:22 AM  
That is a misleading headline, to say the least.

Very misleading, much like the Japanese. Can't trust 'em.
 
2006-08-15 11:02:28 AM  
Why shouldn't he visit the war dead? Are they not brave because they were against us..

Because there are several Class C war-criminals buried there.

Guys that ordered or were involved in atrocities during WW 2.
 
2006-08-15 11:03:26 AM  
Glad to see that the Asian countries are showing their "moral superiority".

Okay, I can see how one might get riled up at the idea that he might go to the memorial because he wants to re-enact the events of the past.

But is it really so wrong that he just wants to go and pay tribute to dead soldiers? Okay, so their cause may not have been the best, but that's the fault of the government, not the soldiers. They were brave, they fought and died. Why not honor that?
 
2006-08-15 11:04:49 AM  
Blathering Idjut: Because there are several Class C war-criminals buried there.

And? He's already stated that he's not there for the criminals. (And the article reads Class A.) Do you ignore an entire cemitary because some rapist, theif, or murderer may be buried there?
 
2006-08-15 11:19:44 AM  
Look I know the average American is barely aware that there are other countries, but is it too much to ask that submitters don't westro-pomophize everything?

He didn't fecking go to Church, he Visited a shrine, a memorial to the war dead, but one that includes several famous and despicable war criminals. If you need an analogy imagine a German Chancellor laying a wreath at a Waffen-SS Shrine.


WWII is still a very raw subject for most of Asia becuase of the incredible atrocities committed by Japanese occupation Troops. While arguably their actions were no worse than what the Nazi's did in Europe; the crucial difference is that Germany has accepted its guilt, apologized, and taken steps to ensure it never happens again.

Thanks to powerful right wing forces in Japan, there neverhas been an apology or even a recognition of guilt about its actions in WWII. To many of the hard core right wing, Japan was perefectly correct in everything it did during WWII, and the emporer is still a god.
 
2006-08-15 11:39:42 AM  
And? He's already stated that he's not there for the criminals. (And the article reads Class A.)

I didn't read the article but am familiar with the issue. Class A would be war leaders like Tojo and the like. I didn't recall anybody of that caliber being buried there.

All the more reason for him to avoid visiting the shrine.
 
2006-08-15 12:02:52 PM  
A Shinto shrine is nothing like a church. Not even close.

Now do your homework.
 
2006-08-15 12:31:35 PM  
Magorn is absolutely correct. Japan did a LOT worse than what Germany did. And yet they got what amounted to a slap on the hand for it at the end of the war. A lot of japanese ignore their part in the war completely.

This pisses off the rest of Asia (China in particular). We messed up big time when we dropped our largest asian ally (China) and replaced it with their enemy (and ours)- Japan. And China hasn't forgotten about this.
 
2006-08-15 12:59:23 PM  
RyoShin: And? He's already stated that he's not there for the criminals. (And the article reads Class A.) Do you ignore an entire cemitary because some rapist, theif, or murderer may be buried there?

I would feel not so bad about it if only the Japanese would own up to what it did in WW2 and put it in schoolbooks. Germany owned up to its actions, why can't Japan?
 
2006-08-15 03:37:41 PM  
wow, submitter should be castrated to remove them from the gene pool. A shrine is not a church. A shrine that part of its purpose is to honor war criminals is bad. This is further intensified when it was a war crimes against neighboring countries.
 
2006-08-15 03:52:19 PM  
Yasukuni shrine is not just a shrine to Japan's war dead. It is the center of an extremist nationalistic movement in Japan, one promoting the return of empirer rule and resumption of empire building through military means worldwide. Kinda like what we are doing over here.

The shrine has a web page here.

They are viewed somewhat on the same level as Holocaust deniers, due to statements like this:

"War is truly sorrowful. Yet to maintain the independence and peace of the nation and for the prosperity of all of Asia, Japan was forced into conflict. The precious lives that were lost in these incidents and wars are worshiped as the Kami (Deities) of Yasukuni Jinja."

BTW they don't just have the Class-A war criminals buried there, they refer to them as martyrs:

"There were also 1,068 "Martyrs of Showa" who were cruelly and unjustly tried as war criminals by a sham-like tribunal of the Allied forces (United States, England, the Netherlands, China and others). These martyrs are also the Kami of Yasukuni Jinja."
 
2006-08-15 04:49:44 PM  
Japan did a LOT worse than what Germany did.

Well, shoot. I just love coming to Fark for the impromptu history lessons.

*cough* Holocaust *cough*
 
2006-08-15 04:54:26 PM  
FTA: "a promise he made five years ago when he was running for the presidency of the Liberal Democratic party (LDP), to worship at Yasukuni on August 15"


So he said he was going to do it when he was running for election, and he did it. The people got exactly what they elected in.

Besides...

The shrine is dedicated to millions of war dead, amongst which are about two dozen war criminals.

He is simply honoring his countries fallen soldiers.
He said he would visit the shrine, they elected him in, he did what he said.

How is an honest politician bad?
 
2006-08-15 06:11:37 PM  
That is how the world will view future American presidents visiting the George W. Bush Memorial Library.
 
2006-08-15 07:04:50 PM  
KiwDaWabbit: Well, shoot. I just love coming to Fark for the impromptu history lessons.

*cough* Holocaust *cough*


Holocaust: 6 million jews killed.

Japanese occupation of China: 10-30 million (at least.) 300,000 in Nanking alone. The abuse the residents of Nanking suffered at the hands of the Japanese was as barberic and inhumane as any group has suffered at the hands of oppressors ever.

There is a point where events and actions are so evil that trying to compare them is futile. The Holocaust, the Imperial Japanese occupations, the Khmer Rouge, all are of a level of evil that can only be described as "intolerable". But as Magorn and rppp01a have pointed out, the Germans have taken responsibility for their actions, while the Japanese are still denying it.
 
2006-08-18 06:06:08 PM  
In 1940's the Japanese conscripts were told the Americans would rape and torture them to death on capture. It is no wonder they fought to the death. Not to pay them tribute would be the greater dishonor.
 
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