If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Time)   Where are the war movies?   (time.com) divider line 79
    More: Interesting  
•       •       •

2083 clicks; posted to Politics » on 12 Aug 2006 at 8:35 PM (8 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



79 Comments   (+0 »)
   

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2006-08-12 08:38:22 PM  
not being made by liberal hollywood?


/goes to watch Blackhawk Down for the 100th time
 
2006-08-12 08:42:40 PM  
Maybe they should just do a remake of The Longest Day.

/do not want
 
2006-08-12 08:47:09 PM  
I don't think hollywood script writers really know what to think about the whole 'war on terror' thing. One one hand, they really really really want to bash all things George Bush. On the other hand, putting out movies that paint the US as loser assholes while we've got troops dying in Iraq won't go over very well outside of a few niche markets.
 
2006-08-12 08:51:17 PM  
How are you going to dramatize the War on Terror when the biggest aspects of the war aren't really related to any major battles and have been more a case of blunders, corruption and violence.

If there is one message coming out of the War on Terror it's that violence begats violence... so if you really want to know how Hollywood is addressing the War on Terror, you need look no further than the recent surge in violent horror movies like Saw, Hostel, 28 Days Later and Land of the Dead.
 
2006-08-12 08:54:25 PM  
Maybe because war movies generally shouldn't be made until said conflict is over?
 
2006-08-12 08:56:30 PM  
Damned if they do, and damn if they don't. If they do start churning out war movies, people like the submitter will pick apart the films as anti-war agitprop. "Oh noes!! One character in the movie said the war was bad, so the whole movie is part of the Bush bashing liberal conspiracy!. Won't someone please thing of the children, I mean troops!!???
 
2006-08-12 08:56:37 PM  
Spaztictacular: .. so if you really want to know how Hollywood is addressing the War on Terror, you need look no further than the recent surge in violent horror movies like Saw, Hostel, 28 Days Later and Land of the Dead.

Interesting theory, considering that horror movies have pretty much gone back to their 1970s roots these days, which was also a time of war and internal conflict. Might just be coincidence, but the horror movies of the late 80s (when the USA was happy and the world was largely at peace) are just awful and lame. They didn't even have much gore in the Jason movies of that era.
 
2006-08-12 08:57:01 PM  
Stupid question.

Make a supporting movie and be branded a Nazi by all your Liberal Hollywood friends, or make an anti-war movie and be branded a Cut-and-Run Liberal by the movie going public.
 
2006-08-12 08:58:56 PM  
RockIsDead: Make a supporting movie and be branded a Nazi by all your Liberal Hollywood friends, or make an anti-war movie and be branded a Cut-and-Run Liberal by the movie going public.

I think a movie like BlackHawk Down could be made that is not political at all. Not every war movie has to have a political message. United 93 didn't.
 
2006-08-12 08:59:11 PM  
The last few big-budget war movies have been flops: Windtalkers, The Great Raid, Hart's War, etc.

/Taegukgi was good tho.
 
2006-08-12 09:00:24 PM  
smitty and columnist Richard Corliss fight for the coveted Stupid Award.
 
2006-08-12 09:06:20 PM  
Donald_McRonald: /Taegukgi was good tho.

My future father in law fought in the war (forced to fight for South Korea), and he loves that movie. he thinks they nailed it in terms of accuracy and the feeling of what it was like there at the time.
 
2006-08-12 09:09:01 PM  
Confabulat

It actually goes back a bit further than that... all the way to the 1920s when the Universal Monsters were big bucks. Lots of anti-european sentiment in those films and also drove home the "different is bad!" mentality...

The biggest example of anti-war messages in movies though does come from the 1950s (ala The Thing From Another World, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and Village of the Damned)

The 70s were monumental to the post-Vietnam catharsis for Americans... w/ films like Halloween, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and The Hills Have Eyes. I do agree with you that recent films have been throwing back to the late 60s/70s violence porn vision of doing things.

Bottom line is that the most astute and deepest cutting takes (from either side) on the politics of war-time come from horror films. I mean, if Hostel wasn't a repremand on "the ugly american" and what's wrong with using torture as a means of getting what you want... I don't know what is.
 
2006-08-12 09:09:59 PM  
'm so Ronery / So ronery / So ronery and sadry arone / There's no one / Just me onry / Sitting on my rittle throne / I work very hard to be number one guy / but, stiwr there's no one to right up my rife / Seems rike no one takes me serirousry. . .

Team America is all the war movie you need, bizatches.

/Sometimes... believing is all we have.
 
2006-08-12 09:14:55 PM  
I keep waiting for this war's version of Three Kings. There's soooo much material for another movie like that.
 
2006-08-12 09:50:50 PM  
I'll concur with the horror movie theory with the stipulation that movies like War of the Worlds be added, and that whatever gap remains has been filled by televison:

MI5, Sleeper Cell, The Grid, The Unit, Over*There, E-Ring, etc., and most of all 24 and Battle Star Galactica.
 
2006-08-12 09:54:41 PM  
War of the Worlds is actually one of the more blatent 9/11 commentaries in recent memory... the others being Land of the Dead and, surprisingly, The Hills Have Eyes remake
 
2006-08-12 10:10:47 PM  
We need a Dr. Strangelove type movie of the War on Terra. Most of our politicians are already ridiculous caricatures that can be used for comedic effect.

Bush - doofus
Cheney - pure evil, puppetmaster
Rumsfeld - doddering old grampa with no clue
Rice - smart, the straight woman to the rest (insert lesbian joke)
Kerry - boring old guy
Rove - hateful bastard who manipulates the public
Lieberman - played by Droopy Dog
And an idiotic public that buys their shiat
 
2006-08-12 10:11:54 PM  
I would love to see a Band of Brothers type series based on the Vietnam war. Or maybe a mini series based on the Tet offensive.
We Were Soldiers is a good movie.
 
2006-08-12 10:32:07 PM  
As some others have said, there are no great big dramatic battles to be fought on this "War on Terror."

That said, if you want an interesting portrayal or this "war", go watch Syriana. It's a good movie and will definitely change you after you watch it.

/lots of great movies came out at the end of last year
 
2006-08-12 10:39:34 PM  
shiat, where are the Anti-War protest songs????????
 
2006-08-12 10:43:34 PM  
Ah. We're dancing all around the problem.

There's no movies, because any atrocities the moviemakers could think up have probably been done.

Oh yeah. Mostly by movies about Vietnam...
 
2006-08-12 10:48:21 PM  

shiat, where are the Anti-War protest songs????????


Did you stop listening to music in 2003?
 
2006-08-12 10:52:05 PM  
We want the people who keep making movies about TV shows to approach the "War on Terror"/Iraq War? There are plenty of movies that apply to the subject, they were just made before 9/11. Hollywood just blows for ideas right now.

The Siege, The Peacemaker, Three Kings, Blackhawk Down, Courage Under Fire, Rules of Engagement, et al.
 
2006-08-12 10:59:35 PM  
How many farking spoilers can the writer of that piece give? Dammit now there's no way I'm gonna see the film. Good grief.
 
2006-08-12 11:03:19 PM  
Syriana sucked, was all over the place. Good idea for a story, just told remarkably poorly.
 
2006-08-12 11:04:42 PM  
Tannhauser: Syriana sucked, was all over the place. Good idea for a story, just told remarkably poorly.


Watch it again. Some people like it the second time around.
 
2006-08-12 11:10:59 PM  
I wonder if people who incessantly talk about "liberal Hollywood" realize just how stupid they sound. Hollywood worships one thing: money. Hollywood loves to make war movies. Hell, they made a movie around the freaking "invasion" of Grenada.

War movies typically come out AFTER the war is over because the resolution of the conflict frames the narrative.
 
2006-08-12 11:16:11 PM  
I blame Mel Gibson for (the lack of) all war (movies).
 
2006-08-12 11:20:07 PM  
Well, does a TV series count?
 
2006-08-12 11:27:19 PM  
LOL to Boobies as I just watched Black Hawk Down this afternoon, before reading this article.
 
2006-08-12 11:47:57 PM  
/oops, forgot that using the term "f!rst p0st" turns the word into Boobies. my bad.
 
2006-08-12 11:57:05 PM  
Tannhauser: Syriana sucked, was all over the place. Good idea for a story, just told remarkably poorly.

Eh, I liked it. Sure, it seemed all over the place, but by the end, you realize that everything had everything to do with everything else.

And then you get sad for the world. But that's reality, I guess.
 
2006-08-12 11:57:34 PM  
I thought Team America was good.
 
2006-08-12 11:57:46 PM  
I think that this writer has purposely evaded talking about the Vietnam war in his article, because what's happening now is exactly what happened in Vietnam. They made "The Green Berets" with John Wayne during the war, and not much else. It wasn't until "Tell it to the Spartans" in 1978, a full three years after that war ended and five years after American troops pulled out, that they made a movie about the war.
It wasn't a popular war, this isn't a popular war.

I personally would like to see the History Channel have a bunch of military professionals from around the world get together in a panel discussion and candidly talk about the battle tactics of the Americans thus far in the current Iraqi war.
It would show two things, 1) that our guys are great soldiers and 2) that Rumsfeld and the White House have hamstrung the war effort with their meddling interference
to such an extent that it almost seems as if they wanted the war to end up in a quagmire.
 
2006-08-13 12:12:03 AM  
Submitter: "Where are the war movies?"

Preferably, far away from me. I see enough death and misery from watching actual wars on the news. I don't much care to seek out additional death and misery from movies about them.
 
2006-08-13 12:41:50 AM  
Superjoe:
Rumsfeld - doddering old grampa with no clue

I'm no fan of Rumsfeld's Iraq policies, but it would be impossible to make a credible movie about what happened on 9/11 at the Pentagon that depicted him as anything but heroic.

/may be why nobody's done that
 
2006-08-13 12:42:24 AM  
You want a war movie? Try cable on a weekend afternoon. They're everywhere.

Or, if you're more into the documentaries, watch the History Channel. WWII must be the only signifcant event that ever happened.
 
2006-08-13 12:47:50 AM  
Movies about wars that America wins are made in real-time.

Wars that America loses are made after-the-fact.

replace wins/looses with noble/ignoble. Same diff.

Rinse. Repeat.
 
2006-08-13 12:48:11 AM  
Tanqueray: I'm no fan of Rumsfeld's Iraq policies, but it would be impossible to make a credible movie about what happened on 9/11 at the Pentagon that depicted him as anything but heroic.

What did he do in the Pentagon on 9/11? I've seriously never heard this.
 
2006-08-13 12:49:37 AM  
Hollywood is too PC and too afraid of hurting Muslim feelings.
 
2006-08-13 12:52:35 AM  
Re: Rumsfeld on 9/11

I'd like to hear it, too.
 
2006-08-13 12:56:32 AM  
I think an Abu Graib movie would sell some tickets. Naked pyramid formations and attack dogs would put some asses in the seats.

Never gonna happen, though. After all, who would agree to play sado-slut/convict Lynndie England?
 
2006-08-13 01:09:22 AM  
Craptastic: After all, who would agree to play sado-slut/convict Lynndie England

Please, please, please let it be a 20-something Sherilyn Fenn.

God that would be hot.
 
2006-08-13 01:10:03 AM  
In response to Rumsfeld... he ignored secret service requests to be swept in to protection like Cheney and Bush were at the time and opted to stay at the Pentagon to help tend to injured workers as they were carted to the ambulances.

As much as I hate the man for what's he's done to bungle the War in Iraq, he is to be commended for his efforts that went above and beyond what his job reqiured him to do on 9/11.
 
2006-08-13 01:16:47 AM  
Craptastic

Thanks. Now I have notions of an Abu Ghraib porn movie in my head.

/Abu Rape: Attack on the Twin Testicles
//eh, got nothing
 
2006-08-13 01:19:38 AM  
Craptastic: I think an Abu Graib movie

Close to it.
 
2006-08-13 01:27:36 AM  
On the other hand, perhaps a movie detailing the flower-throwing, freedom-loving, appreciative, America-loving Iraqis would be more popular with the film fans.
 
2006-08-13 01:35:19 AM  
I would love to see a Band of Brothers type series based on the Vietnam war.



Back in the day there was a pretty good show called Tour of Duty. It's been a long time since I have seen it, but I recall that I really liked it when it was on.
 
2006-08-13 01:52:33 AM  
You want to know why there aren't many rising or inspiring movies about 9/1?

Because it's hard to write a rousing story about 19 untrained cave dwellers who successfuly penetrate the most secure and well armed country in the world and manage to not only bring down two of the tallest structures in the world but also strike a decisive blow against said superpower's military headquarters.

Then, five years later, not only have we not secured the terrorist homeland, but the terrorist ringleader responsible for thousands of American dead still hasn't faced justice.

Oh, and we also invaded the wrong country and we're losing there too.

Not very sellable.
 
Displayed 50 of 79 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report