Internet Tough Guys are so SCARY!!!


even more scary are people like you.

Nope. Never been arrested. Had one speeding ticket..which I deserved.

I'll make one last statement to you since I'm pretty sure everyone can plainly see what you are trying to do:

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. A cop giving you a speeding ticket is not the equal of a cop shooting you in the farking face with a wooden shotgun slug, you dumb biatch.

And this will never change while idiots like 'Secret Master of all Flatuance' equate protesters with terrorists.

They are terrorists. They attempt to use force to effect political change. That is a textbook definition of a terrorist.

So Flatulence Master . . . you're very well traveled according to that map in your profile. Can you please tell me what the Aleutian islands are like this time of year? What about Lhasa and Baghdad? How's Patagonia? I've never been to the North Pole, you are so lucky! And tell me about Perth. I've always wanted to go. And the Ural Mines, oh, tell me about thems!!

silly.

SMAF: Internet Tough Guys are so SCARY!!!

I find sociopathic neocons much more frightening.

Secret Master of All Flatulence: They are terrorists. They attempt to use force to effect political change. That is a textbook definition of a terrorist.

Ok, now that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I guess Martin Luther King Jr. was a terrorist or something?

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

EXACTLY. If you go to a protest organized by people who are terrorists, you should EXPECT to be either injured, arrested, or both.

A cop giving you a speeding ticket is not the equal of a cop shooting you in the farking face with a wooden shotgun slug,

Ah, but on an intellectual level, it is. In both cases, you have to submit to the authority of the State, or the State will smack you. If you run from a cop pulling you over for speeding, it's not going to have a happy ending. If you go out and behave like an obnoxious coont, and pretend that the laws don't apply to you, you shouldn't expect for it to have a happy ending.

I remember reading in history books about a country called the USA and its citizens, the Americans, who loved their freedom so much that they were willing to stand up to anything for their right to express those freedoms. Too bad those people are long gone and replaced by weak minded assholes who's idea of patriotism is limiting the freedoms of those that dont agree with them.

Its not the hippies and the liberals who are destroying this great country, its the so called "patriots" who would love nothing more than to quench the voices of those that oppose them.

Most of you dont know what its like to live in a country where only one viewpoint was allowed and everything else was illegal. Otherwise you wouldnt be so gung ho about dirty hippie protesters being shot with rubber bullets.

I guess Martin Luther King Jr. was a terrorist or something?

Nope. MLK was into NON-VIOLENT protest. He even sought permits for his protests. If people want to obey the law and protest, that's fine, more power to them. But when they set out to break the law, they will get smacked, and it's appropriate.

Guysmiley

Actually...I'm a Libertarian.

I just have common sense and am willing to die before I surrender my freedom to a police-state.

You should be free in this country to do WHATEVER the fark you want to...as long as you do not infringe on another person's rights to do the same.

Legalize drugs, gay marriage, etc etc. Its none of my business or the government's business what people do in their private lives.

Some guy ass-farking another guy in no way infringes on my rights...and neither does someone smoking pot.

The cops shooting protesters, however, DOES.

Flatulence Person:

I agree with you that any protestor resorting to violence and force is a terrorist.

But what about the ones protesting peacefully? Are THEY using force . . . ?

The real problem with protests these days is that they are infiltrated by fringe groups who don't care what the issue is as long as they get their chance to have a showdown with the cops. They mostly anarchists and anti-globalization types who join up with the peace groups and then create the problems. They are the ones trashing the Starbucks in Seattle and they are the ones throwing rocks in Miami. If the regular people protesting the war would stop letting these fringe people disrupt and ruin every protest they might actually come off as sensible.

/I LOL'd too watching the tape
//Keep slashies and dirty hippies out of protests

A cop giving you a speeding ticket is not the equal of a cop shooting you in the farking face with a wooden shotgun slug,

SMAF: "Ah, but on an intellectual level, it is."

Are you really that stupid? No, it isn't. A speeding ticket is a written citation. A wooden slug to the face is BODILY HARM.

God, if only stupidity was painful.

I just have common sense and am willing to die before I surrender my freedom to a police-state.

Then why aren't you dead yet, my little ITG???

Secret Master of All Flatulence: If you go to a protest organized by people who are terrorists, you should EXPECT to be either injured, arrested, or both.

Can you provide proof that the protest was organized by terrorists? Why do you keep ignoring every post that asks you to support your assertions?

Master of all Flatulence = Ignores reasonable questions = TROLL = everyone stop feeding it

Secret Master of All Flatulence

Again, you prove your ignorance.

I obey the speed limit for safety reasons...if not for my own safety, then for the safety of the other people I share the road with. My desire to drive 125mph does not trump the little old lady who wishes to drive the speed limit and not get run over by my speeding car.

I disobey unconstitutional laws all the time however. I carry a gun everywhere i go without exception...even in states where the carrying of a firearm is illegal. The 2nd amendment says "shall not" not "shall not be infringed, unless you happen to be in New York."

so...FARK you. You have no concept of what it means to be a strict constitutionalize..NOR a true conservative. You are a mindless drone.

No get back in the kitchen and cook something like that mindless slave you are.

Seriously, peaceful protesting is wonderful and well within your rights to do without harassment from the cops. However when you are told by the cops to disperse and you refuse, you are no longer a peaceful protestor

Except that now that you're being harrassed by cops, you're no longer within your rights (see first statement made), and not by your own volition. (note to idiots: that does not say "violation") Rather, you now have something else highly worth protesting.

I_Make_Jebus_Cry

You've mistaken me for a jack-booted fascist. I think these cops should each recieve 3 baton rounds from "minimum range".

VoodooPunk

Wait, you were in Crawford,TX? I was in Crawford for a couple of days to protest. I did not see anything violent physically. At all. I don't think you were in the right Crawford, my good friend. All I saw was peaceful protests. And a wedding.

/Please go take your troll somewhere else, or at least do it correctly
//Slashies for the BOR.

OK, SMAF, you are an idiot. First of all there ARE NO TEXT BOOK DEFINITIONS OF TERRORISM. Federal Law currently provides for no fewer than 150 definitions of the word terrorism.

Furthermore, terrorist is generally used as a loose label to describe anyone from a political extremist to a common criminal and thus promotes sloppy thinking.

Not only that but most importantly, labeling someone terrorist is more of a moral judgment than a definition; and is therefore nothing but a blunt rhetorical tool in the hands of those ill equipped to debate the merits of their beliefs. Case in point: You.

Oh, and by your half assed definition, the US of A is the biggest terrorist state ever.

A speeding ticket is a written citation. A wooden slug to the face is BODILY HARM.

A speeding ticket involves an ARREST. In fact, you are under arrest as soon as you submit to the authority of the officer stopping you. That means that once you start to pull over, you are legally under arrest. If you run, it's an additional crime, and you stand an excellent chance of being hurt in the process.

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Nope. MLK was into NON-VIOLENT protest. He even sought permits for his protests. If people want to obey the law and protest, that's fine, more power to them. But when they set out to break the law, they will get smacked, and it's appropriate.

Bullshiat. The cops often escalate the tension and violence. It isn't their job to deliver justice. And they should never laugh about shooting people. That's

Guysmiley


no..I realize what you were saying. I was just pointing out the fact that not all "conservatives" are as stupid as SMOAF.

I personally think the woman they shot should be able to line the motherfarkers up that shot her, and send a few "non lethal" rubber bullets their way.

A speeding ticket involves an ARREST. In fact, you are under arrest as soon as you submit to the authority of the officer stopping you. That means that once you start to pull over, you are legally under arrest. If you run, it's an additional crime, and you stand an excellent chance of being hurt in the process.

Ooookaaay. So, how is getting shot like being arrested again? Your 'arguement' kinda falls flat in that respect.

I disobey unconstitutional laws all the time however. I carry a gun everywhere i go without exception...even in states where the carrying of a firearm is illegal.

Great. Thanks for admitting that you are a criminal, and quite possibly a felon.

You don't happen to illegally own any machineguns, do you? Or is the 10 year/250,000 fine too much of a risk for you?

This just in...

Secret Master of All Flatulence is terrified of protesters. What a complete pussy!

SMOAF, what do you do for a living, and how old are you?

Just curious about the background of someone who is proud being a government tool (and I don't mean that to sound rude.)

Secret Master of All Flatulence

A speeding ticket involves an ARREST. In fact, you are under arrest as soon as you submit to the authority of the officer stopping you.

Bullshiat you ignorant fark. You are DETAINED when an officer writes you a speeding ticket. You are not arrested until and unless you are given your Miranda rights. Ask a cop if him writing you a ticket is the same as being arrested......

An arrest is a legal action the police take that removes your right to freedom of movmement. When was the last time YOU were handcuffed while a cop wrote you a speeding ticket?

Yet again proving you just like to speak out your ass without having any concept of knowledge on the subject at hand.

Secret Master of All Flatulence: A speeding ticket involves an ARREST. In fact, you are under arrest as soon as you submit to the authority of the officer stopping you.

Ok, now you're just being retarded. Cops don't read you your rights when they pull you over. You aren't officially detained. The best thing you can do when pulled over by a cop is to ask if you're free to go once the citation has been issued. They have no right to hold you without cause.

Ooookaaay. So, how is getting shot like being arrested again?

It's a result of an unlawful refusal to obey a police officer. If you run from the cops because you were speeding, you're going to be smacked. If you fail to leave the area of an illegal gathering, you're going to be smacked. You could also be charged with obstruction of justice, disorderly conduct, et cetera.

Secret Master of All Flatulence

yes. I have a few class III firearms. The CAR-15 being one of them. More specifically, it is select fire for safe, semi, and auto. Same with my MP5 and G3A3.

And I'm not obliged to obey unconstitutional laws. No one is.

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Great. Thanks for admitting that you are a criminal, and quite possibly a felon.

I wouldn't call anyone who follows constitutional law a criminal. In my book, they are true patriots. And you are a pathetic little sheep.

SMAF
It's a result of an...blah blah rambling about brutality.


*cough* troll *cough*

I_Make_Jebus_Cry: And I'm not obliged to obey unconstitutional laws. No one is.

Secret Master of All Flatulence: They are terrorists. They attempt to use force to effect political change. That is a textbook definition of a terrorist.

untrustworthy: Ok, now that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I guess Martin Luther King Jr. was a terrorist or something?

Unfortunately, untrustworthy, although SMAF is clearly dense as hell, his views are fairly close to the Fed definition of terrorism under the PATRIOT Act. There, a terrorist is defined as affecting political change through the use of violence OR breaking a law that puts a human life in danger; even that protester's OWN LIFE. So if MLK were to, say, lie down in a Bus Station driveway, he would be breaking the law, putting his own life in danger and thus a terrorist under teh USA PATRIOT Act.

Ok, now you're just being retarded. Cops don't read you your rights when they pull you over. You aren't officially detained.

Watching "Law and Order" reruns doesn't substitute for law school. There is caselaw on this. The arrest takes place when you submit to the authority of the officer. This can be either by obeying the officer's orders or through the officer physically touching you. It may be a non-custodial arrest, but it's still an arrest. Don't believe me? What happens if you refuse to sign the citation form? Or what happens if you pull over, and then drive away before the cop gets out of his car?

They have no right to hold you without cause.

They have probable cause, based upon the traffic offense. They can't just pull you over without probable cause.

I-make-Jebus-cry gets standing-O

yes. I have a few class III firearms. The CAR-15 being one of them. More specifically, it is select fire for safe, semi, and auto. Same with my MP5 and G3A3.

I sure do hope you've got approved ATF Form 5320.3s or 5320.4s on all of them...or is the NFA unconstitutional, and therefore a law you can ignore?

Secret Master of Flatulence is right if this biatch doesn't want to have a showdown with the cops she shouldn't join a protest with anti-globalization nuts that throws rocks and bricks at the cops. That is NOT peacefully assembling.

YAY!! SMOAF knows how to GOOGLE!!! Quickly!!

I wouldn't call anyone who follows constitutional law a criminal.

There are far more valid laws than just "constitutional law". If you break them, you are a criminal.

SMAF: You didn't answer my question. How is shooting someone just like pulling them over?

/Troll baiting is FUN!

Secret Master of All Flatulence

They have probable cause, based upon the traffic offense. They can't just pull you over without probable cause.


Apparently, you haven't been to law school either, skippy.

The officer is limited to writing the ticket based upon his observations. He observed you exceeding the speed limit, and therefore has probably cause to stop you for the same.

The officer does NOT, however, have the right to search your vehicle unless he has probable cause that you have something illegal in your vehicle...and a "gut feeling" is not defensible in court.

In other words, the cop can only write a citation based on what he actually has probable cause for. By YOUR definition, a cop could see you speeding, then search your house to check for NASCAR posters because it is mildly related to driving fast.

Idiot.

SMOAF knows how to GOOGLE!!! Quickly!!

On what, the ATF? Nah, I'm a former SOT.

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Watching "Law and Order" reruns doesn't substitute for law school. There is caselaw on this. The arrest takes place when you submit to the authority of the officer. This can be either by obeying the officer's orders or through the officer physically touching you. It may be a non-custodial arrest, but it's still an arrest. Don't believe me? What happens if you refuse to sign the citation form? Or what happens if you pull over, and then drive away before the cop gets out of his car?

An arrest is much different than being detained.

They have probable cause, based upon the traffic offense. They can't just pull you over without probable cause.

But they can't unecessarily detain you once the citation has been issued.

ClamHammer: So if MLK were to, say, lie down in a Bus Station driveway, he would be breaking the law, putting his own life in danger and thus a terrorist under teh USA PATRIOT Act.

Isn't that odd? I think people are way to anxious to throw around the term "terrorist" at any given opportunity. They aren't terrorists. They're protesters.

Secret Master of All Flatulence

I sure do hope you've got approved ATF Form 5320.3s or 5320.4s on all of them...or is the NFA unconstitutional, and therefore a law you can ignore?


And what are YOU going to do if I dont? Call the feds? You must REALLY hate cops...because they'll be a few dead ones on my steps when the come to try and take my full-auto HK G3 from me.

/A g3 laughs at "bullet resistant" vests.

"I'm a former SOT"

http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=SOT&String=exact&p=ol

Secret Master of All Flatulence: There are far more valid laws than just "constitutional law". If you break them, you are a criminal.

What laws could possibly be more valid than the Constitution?!?

The officer is limited to writing the ticket based upon his observations. He observed you exceeding the speed limit, and therefore has probably cause to stop you for the same.

Correct.

The officer does NOT, however, have the right to search your vehicle unless he has probable cause that you have something illegal in your vehicle...and a "gut feeling" is not defensible in court.

The standard is a "reasonable, articulable suspicion that a crime has been committed and the person in question committed it." He CAN, however, arrest for whatever is in plain sight. He also can ask the person to exit the vehicle and then search him for the safety of the officer. And if the car is towed, he can conduct an administrative search, which can very easily lead to enough PC to sustain a search warrant. Additionally, if a K-9 unit "hits" on the car, that's grounds for a warrant.