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2006-08-06 01:29:34 PM  
When I drive, past the kids, they all spit and cuss...

Eww that camaro looks just like a mustang. I missed the aerodynamic sleek look. There's nothing biatching about this anymore.
 
2006-08-06 01:43:38 PM  
FeeltheIllinoise

The Corvette gets surprisingly good mileage for a V8 sports car that regularly beats the tar out of Porsche's on the track.
 
2006-08-06 01:43:41 PM  
"bwave: handles well, and gets 28-30mpg
Unless you did some serious modifications, there's no way you're getting that kind of mileage."
8 miles of highway driving each way to work, this is what I've gotten everytime I've checked. I typically drive off-peak hours so I don't get stoplights, etc.

"I'm going to assume this thing wont get the almost unanimous positive reviews that the new Mustangs have. Most articles I have read about the new Mustang rates it one of the best cars made in a very long time.... I never liked Camaros anyways. All I ever see driving them around here are people who think they are fast... Oh yea, because you can buy them cheap.."
My gf has a 2004 Mustang, and she was hit on front right of car at I feel GM is making a huge mistake with the 2008 that having been said. It looks too much like a mustang, and will probably get horrible gas mileage. Dodge has the souped-up redneck car market locked in. The people who would want a Camaro are former Camaro/Firebird owners, they should have gone back too their roots.
 
2006-08-06 01:43:56 PM  
:2006-08-06 01:15:32 PM Mr. Horse

www.traditio.com

Bring back the Camauro?

(That's what the hat's called. Really. Look it up)."
====================================================
i don't trust that guy...
 
2006-08-06 01:45:40 PM  
"WHOOPS

Sorry GM. All your former Camaro fans just financed new Ford Mustangs.

Ford was listening to what GM customers wanted in a pony car.

Too late."


Listen? I guess if you call making the ugliest car in production, then good job Ford for listening to Camaro owners desire for an even more uglier car than a 02 Camaro.


/new camaro doesnt look half bad.
// Mustang owners sell mustang to finance new camaro
/// anything foreign > camaro or mustang
 
2006-08-06 01:48:12 PM  
wtf happend to my comment?
Should read: My gf has a 2004 Mustang, and she was hit on the front right of the car at I then went on to say, that I don't think anyone feels the Camaro is a racecar. It's a cheap car built to be fun to drive. I bought mine at $16,898 ($18,900 minus 2002 instant rebate) at 5.9% interest. You can't get a civic even close to that, and the Camaro is much bigger/faster.

(sorry about split post, the one time I don't preview before post, i get fked)
 
2006-08-06 01:49:52 PM  
2006-08-06 01:03:34 AM MixxMaster

ok, saw the pic of it...has the huge doors/small windows that a lot of the latest cars do. WTF is up wit dat?

Fat people can't fit in small doors. The bad thing about the long doors is they tend to sag.

I wouldn't be too concerned, GM probably won't be around in 2008.

I'll stick with my 1977 Ford truck. Everything under the skin is either new or rebuilt, heavy duty, and very reliable. Lots of custom changes, like stainless steel headers and exhaust, #8,000 winch, etc. No payments, lots of parts, and insurance is cheap.
 
2006-08-06 01:49:57 PM  
GM will fark it up
 
2006-08-06 01:50:20 PM  
fk, forget it, i did preview and it looked fine and on post it doesn't???
The mustang got hit at less than 15mph and did $7700 in damages, the cheap fiberglass panels exploded. So, unless they put some steel back in the newer models the mustang is a deathtrap.
That's the gist, I'm not retyping everything again. Bye!
 
2006-08-06 01:50:46 PM  
The Camaro turned into a chick car around '81, and will always be a chick car. Cool motorhead girlz know exactly what I'm talking about, and wouldn't be caught dead in a scummaro.
 
2006-08-06 02:00:27 PM  
A certain fellow who lives next door to former fast food superheroes in New Jersey must be terribly excited.
 
2006-08-06 02:03:22 PM  
Does it come with an Exxon credit card?
 
2006-08-06 02:07:43 PM  
This is the same forward looking vision that propelled the US automakers of the 70s.
 
2006-08-06 02:13:00 PM  
<b>bwave:</b> <i>fk, forget it, i did preview and it looked fine and on post it doesn't???</i>

Are you trying to use a < or > sign in your post? You'll have to uncheck the HTML enabled box for it to work right.

I still don't buy that 28MPG stuff either
 
2006-08-06 02:21:55 PM  
I highly doubt Lane Myer will approve.
 
2006-08-06 02:23:31 PM  
Too bad mullets and revving your engine out in front of the high school aren't cool anymore. And denim jackets are considered extremely homosexual now as well.
 
2006-08-06 02:28:12 PM  
I Gm would just focus on making quality cars, not gimicks, they could really make market share.
 
2006-08-06 02:41:53 PM  
Bacontastesgood: Uh... what the hell are you smoking?
 
2006-08-06 02:53:02 PM  
There is a HUGE camaro fanbase already established. People are in line to buy this car right now. 400 horses is all the reason most of the buyers need.

Will people still buy this car when it cost $3.15 a gallon for gas? The author is clueless on this topic because those that purchase this car don't car how much money they pay for gas. Until you've driven a car with 400 horses, you won't understand either.
 
2006-08-06 02:53:59 PM  
The car doesn't look that bad...but that tacky ass gold bow/cross thing has to go!
 
2006-08-06 03:00:52 PM  
FTFA

"The auto industry has been buzzing with speculation about GM's plans for the Camaro ever since the carmaker wowed the crowds at the 2006 North American International Auto Show in January with a stunning 400-horsepower concept."


files.lussumo.com


Chevy didn't stop making the Camaros because the engines weren't powerful, nor because the cars looked bad. They stopped making the Camaro because they weren't built for shiat! After the first 6 months they fell apart so baddly that it cost owners thousands every year to keep repairing them. Which, is why sales dropped off so much that GM had to drop the model.

So, it'd have been nice if the article addressed the actual reason why the Camaro was shiat-canned and if such inequities are to be prevented in this newer batch.

PS: Same thing applied to the Firebird.
 
2006-08-06 03:02:34 PM  
Horsepower is nice, Torque is BETTER!! 69 Chevelle 525 Horses 600 fp Torque!! CAN YOU SAY NECK SNAPPING!!!
 
2006-08-06 03:03:12 PM  
Oh come on now you nay-sayers!
Give GM a chance.
Look at how well they did with the new Monte Carlo. How many other cars have redefined the term "ugly ass" like the new Monte?
Besides, there will be a lot of convienience store clerks buying the 2008 Camaro in 2015.

/ is Aveo the Korean word for Chevette?
// amazing how many spell it Camero - some who even claim to have owned one.
 
2006-08-06 03:03:35 PM  
MixxMaster: ok, saw the pic of it...has the huge doors/small windows that a lot of the latest cars do. WTF is up wit dat?

I wanna know, too. I mean, I get the huge wheels and the larger panels with the squinty windows thing looks like a more substantial vehicle than the big-window round cars of recent years (although that's probably not the case), and I know there's a sort-of homage to the days of body panel acreage with itsy bitsy windows gangstermobile design, but really, they're just getting all slabby. Is it that the kids who used to draw wheels and windows on their Sanford pink school erasers and "drive" them around their desktops grew up and couldn't let go?

As for this new CaMustang, it doesn't look bad, methinks.. It just doesn't look Camaro. There's the obvious Mustang influence, but it kind of looks.. Well, is it possible to have a car look Cylon?

...But not in a "Number Six is waiting for you in the back seat" kind of good way. More in a "Mustang-cum-Cylon Raider cramped interior and gas-guzzling engine redundant" sort of way.
 
2006-08-06 03:23:44 PM  
journal.ftbphotography.com
No mention of the Romero Camaro?

New studies show that car collectors like limited editions. More at 11?
 
2006-08-06 03:25:03 PM  
jag164: Just in time for a Butthole Surfers reunion.

I don't mind the sun sometimes
 
2006-08-06 03:27:29 PM  
Everybody whining about GM building "another gas guzzler" should remember this car is supposed to get a V8 that shuts down half its cylinders at cruising speeds, so it's gas mileage shouldn't be that much more on the highway than a V6's. Chrysler's already using such a system, so there's no reason GM can't manage it as well.
 
2006-08-06 03:30:54 PM  
How often do you all cruise though? Aside from road trips and whatnot, Break, Stop, Slow, Stop, Speed Up, Stop, Slow down, slow down, avoid farker holding up left lane, etc...
People are seemingly getting worse on the road, it's like a race to get off the road before someone dies...
 
2006-08-06 03:35:20 PM  
Me to GM: Die in a fire. Why the fark did I need to get a windshield wiper motor replaced on an 8 year old vehicle to the tune of $450? And I use my wipers only once or twice a month, so it's not as if I live in a rainforest.
 
2006-08-06 03:45:55 PM  
Rude Turnip: Why the fark did I need to get a windshield wiper motor replaced on an 8 year old vehicle to the tune of $450?

Ummm... maybe because it was eight years old?

Also, not using something regularly is not a basis for non-failure... some items have to be run regularly or you increase their chance of premature failure.
 
2006-08-06 03:46:40 PM  
Lagg: It may have a new body , but it will probably have the exact same chassis and drivetrain of a Colorado or some other classic GM tatic.
Feh? This is going to be new chassis and drive, existing everythign else prolly. Only platform that's RWD is the Sigma, used on the CTS/STS/SRX

owlywowly: so, you create a design that looks sort of like an old camaro, build a car full of computer parts made in China, Korea and Japan, produce and engine that has nothing to do with engines of the sixties and seventies, and then announce "LOOK, IT'S A CAMARO!" All of this is proof positive that most American car buyers are either retarded or...aw hell, I don't know what.
Why the fark would ANYBODY want a car based on 70s tech? Design, yea, the 60s had some biatchin ones, but their tech was downright apalling compared to what you can get now.

Bippal: All I ever see driving them around here are people who think they are fast, when they aren't. I mean sure, you can make them fast, but why make an inferior vehicle fast? Oh yea, because you can buy them cheap, but some primer on it, and rev your engine and get everyone else in the trailer park pumped up.
The same can be said of Mustangs. :)

GM has the ideas, and some of the designers, but management + the UAW sucks too much for them to get their shiat together.
 
2006-08-06 03:50:38 PM  
Ford and GM both suck balls for the large part. I love old muscle cars but mustangs are are a huge piece of crap (new ones) and as for the camaro the bang for the buck was great but I fear these newer camaros will also suffer from poor quality and cheap parts much like other models that both manufacturers produce. Overall in order to compete both companys needs to more overseas, raise quality and ford needs to stop letting the ford family run that business into the ground. As for GM just high production cost and poor quality have damaged them and their mounting debt has put them in a position to not be competitive.
 
2006-08-06 03:58:22 PM  
Did somebody say 400 Horsepower?
img179.imageshack.us

Much more fun than a new Camaro any day of the week.

/Yes, that's an 06 LS2 in a Miata
//not mine
///starting to build one though
 
2006-08-06 04:14:17 PM  
I am SO getting one of these.

And no, I don't really give a shiat what any of you think. Even the V8 version is going to get 30 miles to the gallon, the V6 model will likely do even better. They'll probably lift the roof an inch or two, add new mirrors and different wheels (sorry, no way those 21-22"-ers are gonna make production). There may also be some changes to the interior (addition of GM corporate stereo and legible gauges) but other than that it'll probably be pretty close to the concept.

I've already begun saving. I can hardly wait.
 
2006-08-06 04:14:39 PM  
That thing can't be street legal. I can see myself trying to get it smogged, popping the hood, and the inspector clutching his heart and falling over backwards.

They wouldn't even test it, they'd say get it out of here.
 
2006-08-06 04:21:34 PM  
They really need to make an updated version of this, complete with the bird motif:
www.allsportauto.com
Think of all the empty-nesting late boomers who would love to recapture of their rockin' late teens/early 20's.
 
2006-08-06 04:26:22 PM  
Ford and GM both suck balls for the large part. I love old muscle cars but mustangs are are a huge piece of crap (new ones) and as for the camaro the bang for the buck was great

Funny I have owned numerous mustangs and never had one problem and the reason why camaro died was because there was no bang for the buck. They completely sucked. The engine was under the dash making it hard to work on or upgrade, GM lost what its market was and still has not found it as was demonstrated when they put out the GTO. Fast car if you want a cavalier with too much HP.

GM is out of touch .
 
2006-08-06 04:27:10 PM  
I had a '77 trans am black,400 pontiac,400 turbo trans and shaker hood with screaming chicken,oh and the shiny funky dash,
Loved it,except for the t tops I was smokey and the bandit
 
2006-08-06 04:28:06 PM  
Oh and as cool as the new camaro looks it is very mustangy.
 
2006-08-06 04:30:46 PM  
You guys do realize that most cars (especially ones with higher output engines) made by US manufacturers are still pushrod engines right? In other words... 70's technology.
 
2006-08-06 04:36:03 PM  
The mustang got hit at less than 15mph and did $7700 in damages, the cheap fiberglass panels exploded. So, unless they put some steel back in the newer models the mustang is a deathtrap.

Your GF is lying, hit a ditch going 40, went airborn, barely missing a biulding and drove it away, unless what hit her was going 50 this is a bs story.


Chevy didn't stop making the Camaros because the engines weren't powerful, nor because the cars looked bad. They stopped making the Camaro because they weren't built for shiat! After the first 6 months they fell apart so baddly that it cost owners thousands every year to keep repairing them. Which, is why sales dropped off so much that GM had to drop the model.

Actually it was little of both, GM forgot the people bought the cars to put upgrades on them almost the second they got them home. GM proved they have no clue by farking up the GTO, that should have been a slam dunk but they made it look like shiat and didnt have as much power as promised to the rear wheels.
 
2006-08-06 04:38:50 PM  
so are we talkin the band or the car (tesla)???
 
2006-08-06 04:39:16 PM  
MY FAVORITE CAR/BRAND > YOURS

/just wanted to add my flaming
 
2006-08-06 04:41:13 PM  
gte269
the overpriced (~70k I think) electric sportscar

/unless there's a band called "Tesla Motors"
 
2006-08-06 04:43:22 PM  
Godamnlimey: Oh and as cool as the new camaro looks it is very mustangy.

The Camaro was originally designed to take on the Mustang. Since it's borrowing styling cues from the first-gen models (1967-69) which ALSO resembled the Mustang somewhat, this isn't surprising that the new one looks like the new retro Stang to a degree.

PureMe: You guys do realize that most cars (especially ones with higher output engines) made by US manufacturers are still pushrod engines right? In other words... 70's technology.

Try '50s technology. GM's small-block V8 has been around since 1955--but it's been refined and improved and refined some more over all that time. Today's small-block OHV V8 makes more power, produces less emissions and gets better fuel economy than any of those old thumpers from way back when. GM's LS-series of small-block OHV V8s have pushed the pushrod motor about as far as it can go. The LS7, a 427-cid small-block, produces just over 500 horsepower--and in the Corvette Z06 achieves 26 miles per gallon on the highway. The 5.3L LS4 in the Chevy Impala SS (a much heavier and less aerodynamic vehicle) manages 28 miles per gallon highway with its "outdated" four-speed automatic transmission. The same cylinder deactivation is used in the Chevy Tahoe's 5.3L to give it 20+MPG on the highway (which is stellar for a 5,000-lb body-on-frame SUV).

It might be old but it works--and it works very well.
 
2006-08-06 04:45:13 PM  
MixxMasterv - Yeah, what's up with that? GM and Chrysler both are doing that. Fricken ugly.
 
2006-08-06 04:45:27 PM  
Owned a metallic light blue on blue 1979 Z/28 Camaro with chrome crager spoke rims from 12/78 to 11/83, and had 60K on the 175bhp 350 motor. Was using a quart of oil at every other gas stop thanks to a broken ring. Top speed was an indicated 123mph with driveshaft whine. It was, however, a fairly good handling car over Highway 17 btw Los Gatos and Scotts Valley/Santa Cruz out in California.

The 1967-1969 Camaros were the golden age of that model although the 1970 and later variants had more room for the driver.

Motorcycles are more fun and less fuelish.
 
2006-08-06 04:51:44 PM  
I loved my 1999 Camaro SS.

I got 23 MPG on average, which is pretty good for having 300HP at the wheels on tap. (and yes, I did floor it often)

I'm curious about the two V8 motors they are offering. LS2 and ... hopefully something with more horsepower and displacement on demand.

/or a twin turbo LS7
 
2006-08-06 04:52:29 PM  
williehorton - I read somewhere that it will share a lot of drivetrain parts with the Holden Monaro/Pontiac GTO platform.
 
2006-08-06 04:56:18 PM  
Lesbian-Jesus

Wonderful for all you people who like to drive only in a straight line.

I take it you don't race? I do and a live axle setup can corner just fine. This camaro will probably have an IRS setup anyway. They really should put a live axle in it because these kind of cars attract drag racers, IRS+Drag racing= major warranty claims.

Alas, It looks like a loser to me, poor visibility, giant pimp rims and three choices of motors...sheesh just make it with the LS7 that's what camaro buyers are looking for. Why would I want a V6 in muscle car..

 
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