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(CNN)   In case you didn't notice, the GOP passing minimum wage is still evil if you ask the Democrats   (cnn.com) divider line 119
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2006-08-03 01:33:06 PM
GOP: Here, I'll wash your car and get you a beer.* See, I'm nice.

*by accepting the carwash and beer you agree to let me nail your wife and sister.
 
2006-08-03 01:38:59 PM
Don't feed the smitty

The minimum-wage-increase legislation already was controversial because House Republican leaders passed it as part of a bill cutting inheritance taxes on multimillion-dollar estates
 
2006-08-03 01:43:08 PM
dameron wins. Best analogy ever.

Backhanded bait-and-switch bullshiat. And wait, doesn't this mean that the GOP wants to destroy the economy?
 
2006-08-03 01:46:05 PM
What they said.
 
2006-08-03 01:48:00 PM
Those fat cats serving drinks and waiting tables have been getting a free ride for too long. I'm glad that the GOP is finally addressing the issue.
 
2006-08-03 01:48:59 PM
Holy shiat, what a trollish blindly partisan headline.

Not only did the GOP agree to raise minimum wage only if the Paris Hilton tax was repealed, but now their punishing those states that took the initiative to raise their own state minimum wage.

And you know those bastard Republicans will run political ads saying that they raises minimum wage...
 
2006-08-03 01:50:39 PM
smitty, how much they paying you to seed Fark? No luck with Netscape.com?
 
2006-08-03 01:54:17 PM
The GOP is just doing what comes natcherly--lining their pockets at the expense of the general fisc.

Next up: exceeding their unlimited war budget, while decrying deficit spending.

See how this works, kids? Ain't it FUN? Dontcha wish you were rich--especially third-generation-silver-spoon-up-yerass RICH?
 
2006-08-03 01:55:00 PM
dameron: GOP: Here, I'll wash your car and get you a beer.

Damnit!

Mine was: Everyone gets a puppy! Yay! However, Dick Cheney gets to eat more babies.
 
2006-08-03 01:55:33 PM
img6.imagepile.net

^DO NOT WANT!
 
2006-08-03 01:57:18 PM
By "Do not want" I mean I don't want Bush, or the GOP in power BTW.
 
2006-08-03 02:01:59 PM
Evil and spineless at the same time! Bonus!
 
2006-08-03 02:02:47 PM
This is going to be beautiful when it hits the main page. Yeah.
 
2006-08-03 02:21:54 PM
OMG cross your eyes, then look at my animation-the dark part of bush's face will look like an ape's face! OMGWTFBBQ
 
2006-08-03 02:24:27 PM
So the Democrats won't be voting for this then? Or is this the classic 'vote it into law and blame the other party' technique?

Weren't they big on Federalism? Why must they risk screwing over low-income earners nationwide just to protect waitstaff (known for underreporting tip income) in just seven of the fifty states?
 
2006-08-03 02:38:07 PM
In case you didn't notice, it was the GOP that insisted on a provision to take a big bite out the wages of people who earn tips as part of their salary. A decent summary here. (pops)
 
2006-08-03 02:41:53 PM
I tend to agree with the bill. Waiters in Washington state get the full minimum wage and still biatch if they don't get a 20% tip. Fark 'em. Some of them make as much as I do or more. Why force employers to pay the waiters a higher wage then the market should bear? The waiters are making well above minimum wage.
 
2006-08-03 02:50:47 PM
Well, I think that Congress should mandate not only what people make but make it so everyone makes the same. Then they need to dictate what everything costs a the store, what you can own, the size of your home, how much that home costs, where you can go how you can get there, the car you drive, the computer you own (which everyone will have), and so on!

It will be Utopia and all will live hapily ever after...
 
2006-08-03 02:52:30 PM
Scooby's'pawn: Why force employers to pay the waiters a higher wage then the market should bear?

Aha! You see, the key word here is should.

Should the American consumer pick up the tab (via the cost of dinner) for paying the waiters and waitresses? Abso-farking-lutely!

Will they actually do it? Hell no, they won't. It'll result in endless biatching and moaning about the 'enormous' cost of going out to eat.
 
2006-08-03 02:54:59 PM
Well, I think that Congress should mandate not only what people make but make it so everyone makes the same. Then they need to dictate what everything costs a the store, what you can own, the size of your home, how much that home costs, where you can go how you can get there, the car you drive, the computer you own (which everyone will have), and so on!

Yes, the minimum wage is JUST LIKE THIS! It is clearly a communist plot to usurp and destroy the purity of our precious bodily fluids.

POE/OPE
 
2006-08-03 02:59:50 PM
Abagadro: Yes, the minimum wage is JUST LIKE THIS!


Yes it is.
 
2006-08-03 02:59:56 PM
submitter, pictured below:

www.eatmybomb.com
 
2006-08-03 03:05:01 PM
ManifestDestiny: Should the American consumer pick up the tab (via the cost of dinner) for paying the waiters and waitresses? Abso-farking-lutely!

Will they actually do it? Hell no, they won't. It'll result in endless biatching and moaning about the 'enormous' cost of going out to eat.


WTF? If the restaurants drop the wages by 3 bucks, then the good waiters will leave and find jobs elsewhere. Pretty soon, the restaurant will have problems finding people that will put up with being waiters for the wages that they are offering and they will have to raise them.

The waiters also have the option of banding together to demand higher wages or they can negotiate them. Or they could just go out and do better and farking earn that 25% tip.

The minimum wage is designed to help people make a more livable wage. As long at the waiters make at least minimum wage after tips, then the goal has been reached. Besides, most of that money is tax free...
 
2006-08-03 03:25:35 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: Yes it is.

What's frightening is that you probably believe that nonsense.
 
2006-08-03 03:38:08 PM
Abagadro: What's frightening is that you probably believe that nonsense.


What's scary is that you think it's perfectly OK for the government to force you to pay someone a certain amount to work in your private business. If that's ok, why not force them to charge a certain amount for their services?
 
2006-08-03 03:56:30 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: What's scary is that you think it's perfectly OK for the government to force you to pay someone a certain amount to work in your private business. If that's ok, why not force them to charge a certain amount for their services?

Libertarians talk about the damn free market taking care of everything, but the real world isn't a goddamn Economics 101 textbook. "The market" won't take care of the average person. "The market" may ensure waitresses get paid well because there's tons of alternatives for them to flock to, but "The market" also helps form AT&Ts and Microsofts that screw over everyone to deliver a higher profit to the shareholders.

A market with zero regulation is like a socialist system -- it might look appealing to you on paper, but it doesn't work so well in reality.
 
2006-08-03 03:58:14 PM
DiA: the government could/has the power to do that now, it's just not good policy.

You will forever make the fundamental mistake of assuming that economics is all that matters. Relatively free-market capitalism is a pretty good thing, but it's not the only thing. Placing certain minimum decencies on its fringes--min wage, OT comp and child labor, for examples--doesn't at all threaten the core principle.

Let's try your argument a different way: "omigod! The gummint can limit 14 year-olds from working in sweatshops! If that's okay, why not force businesses to charge a certain amount for their services?"

See the absurdity? No? Then there's just no hope for you.
 
2006-08-03 04:07:23 PM
Scooby's'pawn: As long at the waiters make at least minimum wage after tips, then the goal has been reached.

I never worked a waitressing gig where the tips consistently made up the difference. I never liked that I could never be sure that I wasn't going to get a string of assholes who thought they were hot shiat because they tipped poorly...and as a result I might not be able to pay my utilities or to buy a new pair of work shoes.

For the love of god...pay the waitstaff a decent wage and let the tips be exactly that...tips.

I feel good when going out to eat over here in Norway, because the waitstaff is pair a very fair wage from the outset. There're not busting their ass just to make ends meet. They're being paid for a job just like everybody else.
 
2006-08-03 04:07:30 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: What's scary is that you think it's perfectly OK for the government to force you to pay someone a certain amount to work in your private business.


I also think that it's scary that the government thinks it's okay to prevent All Holy, God-Blessed Private Businesses from working children for 12-hours a day. I mean, in a perfect free market instead of this godless, communist dystopia we find ourselves in, those children would choose not to work there, wouldn't they?
 
2006-08-03 04:11:56 PM

What's scary is that you think it's perfectly OK for the government to force you to pay someone a certain amount to work in your private business. If that's ok, why not force them to charge a certain amount for their services?


I would take the time to explain unequal bargaining power, market inefficiencies, collective action, free-rider dilemmas and iterative social dynamics to you, but based on your idiotic comments it would be a waste. But please, fell free to pine for the halcyon days of the 1890s labor market.

BTW, ten bucks says you aren't so "free labor market" in your thinking when it comes to entry barriers to certain individuals. Hypocrite much?
 
2006-08-03 04:18:01 PM
So y'all would be good with price controls them eh?
 
2006-08-03 04:25:04 PM
so y'all would be good with eating raw puppy while bangin yer mom, eh?
 
2006-08-03 04:26:34 PM
We had to destroy your wages in order to save them.
 
2006-08-03 04:28:58 PM
CNN this morning:

Critics suggest that raising the minimum wage will only cost the working poor mor jobs. They also say that tax benefits is really the way to go.
Of course Congress has voted themselves $30,000 dollars in raises over the past 10 years...
 
2006-08-03 04:31:24 PM
I generally refuse to talk to anyone who actually types the word "y'all."

But, I will make an exception in this case.

As to price controls. It depends. You see, unlike apparently you, I don't believe that supporting a particular action or policy must necessarily equate to supporting every single other action that is tangentially related to it, regardless of how ridiculous. That is what is known, to us adults out here, as "rationality."

Government intervention in the labor market being a smart thing to do does not necessarily mean that intervention into commodity markets is equally as smart or desirable. Price controls have been imposed in the past when it made sense (such as during wartime and emergencies to prevent gouging and hoarding) so they aren't inherently bad. However, they should be used sparingly and are not analogous to the labor market for a multitude of reasons.

Keep throwing out those ridiculous absurdest arguments and bad analogies. You'll hit something eventually.
 
2006-08-03 04:31:29 PM
Dancin_In_Anson [TotalFark]

So y'all would be good with price controls them eh?


Are you ok with the feds and the states forcing us to wear seatbelts and helmets?
 
2006-08-03 04:32:38 PM
Peoples getting ornery in here . . .

States rights anyone?
 
2006-08-03 04:35:34 PM
Captain Latvia: States rights anyone?

States rights come with strings. For example, you can make your drinking age 18, but don't expect any federal highway money ever again.
 
2006-08-03 04:36:28 PM
Are you ok with the feds and the states forcing us to wear seatbelts and helmets?

No.
 
2006-08-03 04:39:42 PM
I wish those richass Republicans would get stop screwing us poor people.

Love,
Ted Kennedy
John Kerry
Hillary Clinton
Jon Corzine
John Edwards
Jay Rockefeller

/rich bastards on both sides don't give two shiats about minimum wage unless it improves their election results
//join the hate, go independent
///no way, political posturing?!?!?! zounds!
 
2006-08-03 04:39:44 PM
chuggernaught: Are you ok with the feds and the states forcing us to wear seatbelts and helmets?


Not in any way, shape or form.
 
2006-08-03 04:40:30 PM
Fair enough ceejayoz

I was just trying to shake the thread away from the economics talk. Gets me dizzy.
 
2006-08-03 04:41:41 PM
Lets not forget in the last 10 years, Congress voted themselves a raise EIGHT times. Guess we know who those fatcats are looking out for.

/sick ploy by the Repubs
//not surprised, since Repubs as evil, sick and unAmerican!
///why do Repubs hate America?
 
2006-08-03 04:42:51 PM
ManifestDestiny: For the love of god...pay the waitstaff a decent wage and let the tips be exactly that...tips.

That's fine but what's considered a decent tip has changed so abruptly. It used to be that 10% was fine, then 15%, now we're told 20%. Many decent restaurants would guarantee a waiter a certain wage with tip if so many waiters didn't under-report what their tips actually were.
 
2006-08-03 04:44:38 PM
Yeah Damn those Democrats for saying that 18 families shouldn't be allowed to split a 71 billion dollar tax cut; (in the middle of a war no less) as precondition to helping out America's poorest
 
2006-08-03 04:46:38 PM
(let's just keep those poor people poor and frustrated. Like we did to the blacks, the Irish and those farking indians)
 
2006-08-03 04:47:15 PM
Are these retarded sumbissions greenlighted simply so we can kick the shiat out of them?

Or is there a mod who rides the short bus?

/One or the other.
//maybe both
 
2006-08-03 04:47:35 PM
I knew a delivery business that used to pull that with lowering the minimum wage before tips. It's a sleazebag move.

Paying your employees shiat is like asking them to rob from you and generally screw you over, in my opinion.
 
2006-08-03 04:47:36 PM
Scooby's'pawn: Many decent restaurants would guarantee a waiter a certain wage with tip if so many waiters didn't under-report what their tips actually were.

Check me if I'm wrong...it's been a few years since I waited tables...but back in the day, we were taxed on 8% of sales. Has that changed?
 
2006-08-03 04:48:22 PM
Superjoe: Paying your employees shiat is like asking them to rob from you and generally screw you over, in my opinion.


Look who is on to something here...
 
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