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2006-08-03 02:57:03 PM
WSUCanuck: WTF @ Brownouts...


Hey, your state, of choice, California, has crappy energy policy, which makes it unlivable.

It's not pro-manipulation, it's just a fact, that if you live in Cali you might lose power for no reason.
 
2006-08-03 02:57:50 PM
...the murder rate is sky high...

Yeah I heard everyone who moves there is murdered within about a month. Tragic.
 
2006-08-03 02:58:26 PM
@ whidbey

I live in the bluest state of them all. Boston, Massachussetts and have been with a few financial corporations, none have shower facilities that I know of. And these are large corps. If there are any, it is more the exception than the norm. At any rate, I think the overall message here is, yes, our way of life and dependence on the car is not healthy either for our waistlines or the environment, so hopefully there will be a correction in consumption. I'm all for that, I consume and waste as little as possible and have been trying to walk and bike or take the bus more. I do have a car, but I'm trying to use it only when it is truly necessary. It is the best I can do for now. Riding a bike to work everyday is possible but way too inconvenient and impractical the way our culture stands right now.
 
2006-08-03 02:58:30 PM
neonrisk: GO PLUG-IN CARS!


I can hear the GO-Bots theme swelling in the background.

What happens when you want to go camping with your plug in car?
 
2006-08-03 02:59:06 PM
WSUCanuck: You do forget that healthcare isn't provided by the state. There is no socialist healthcare system in California (well, soon to be one in SF).

What is Medi-Cal then?
 
2006-08-03 03:01:21 PM
whidbey

Well that all depends on whether $200 oil happens before or after 2008...
 
2006-08-03 03:02:41 PM
neoarroyo: Riding a bike to work everyday is possible but way too inconvenient and impractical the way our culture stands right now.

I'm also thinking that maybe there's a gym near your work where you could shower beforehand?
 
2006-08-03 03:02:43 PM
WSUCanuck: No response to the brownout debunking?

Did you debunk it? I don't see it.
 
2006-08-03 03:02:55 PM
st_gulik: What happens when you want to go camping with your plug in car?

have your spouse carry a generator on his/her mountain bike?

/the kids can carry the gas...
 
2006-08-03 03:03:03 PM
Whidbey: Please stop talking, and for the love of god, don't procreate if you haven't already.

You're giving those of us that live in the PNW a bad name. Not everybody here lives on that stupid little island hanging out in the trees and going to the Roller Barn for friday night entertainment. Some people have to live far way from work simply because... here comes the insight... because that's where the job they were actually able to get is! I'd love to see the guy working at Quiznos in downtown Seattle afford a place in Beltown so he can ride his bike there.

So unless you're magically making these ultra-convenient jobs that are 5 blocks away from every suburb in america that can support whole families, and making the worlds greatest public transportation infrastructure, ride your bike straight to hell and do us all a favor.
 
2006-08-03 03:03:26 PM
@suebhoney

You got a 3 bedroom, 2 bath in a nice neighborhood for ONLY 157K !?? AND ONLY 10 miles outside of the city center of Philly? Call me crazy, but did you get some housing assistance, something? Anything to explain the low price? I can't even get a condo for that price here in Boston, even 1 hour outside of the city.
 
2006-08-03 03:03:54 PM
st_gulik: What happens when you want to go camping with your plug in car?

I'd prefer a backpack.
 
2006-08-03 03:04:01 PM
WSUCanuck

Actually I'd be glad to hear that CA is doing something finally about the brownout situation. Having no electric is and would be horrible.

I do recall a thread about a week or so ago with Californians speaking up regarding new plants (approx. 35 I believe) that were on their way to being constructed.

I'm all for the environment, but, I also believe that eco-fundies need to see reality.
 
2006-08-03 03:04:23 PM
neonrisk

hardly. It will stop you DEAD from about 20mph without a problem...no burning pads either. It uses ceramic pads.
 
2006-08-03 03:04:35 PM
Churnin Urn of Burnin Funk: I'd prefer a backpack.

We don't all live with mountains in our backyards.
 
2006-08-03 03:04:44 PM
ShortBus Driver: Whidbey: Please stop talking, and for the love of god, don't procreate if you haven't already

Ah yes, more insults.

Bring em on.

Some people have to live far way from work simply because... here comes the insight... because that's where the job they were actually able to get is

You have no sympathy from me. Ain't I insensitive?

I'd love to see the guy working at Quiznos in downtown Seattle afford a place in Beltown so he can ride his bike there.

Blahblahblah.

ride your bike straight to hell and do us all a favor.

Blahblahblahblah.
 
2006-08-03 03:05:20 PM
st_gulik: We don't all live with mountains in our backyards.

What a shame. :)
 
2006-08-03 03:06:32 PM
st_gulik

What happens when you want to go camping with your plug in car?


Umm... I go camping a lot and I don't really use my car *while* I'm doing it.... of course that depends on your version of camping. If camping to you means watching DVDs in your Ford Escape than I suppose you might be farked if you're watching a movie like Kingdom of Heaven (too long).

Anyways. I really don't see how this is a problem. I have driven across Canada, in the middle of completely farking nowhere there are gas stations... and all those gas stations have electricity right? Electricity is MUCH more widely available than gasoline.

There are places on Earth where this might not be feasible... where there are stretches of more than 300k without access to electricity... the Australian outback and Siberia come to mind.

The only REAL problem with electric cars is, unlike normal cars, they cannot carry surplus fuel. So yes, gas powered cars effectively have a HUUUGE range if you are storing gas in your trunk or something. Methinks that the HUUUGE majority of car owners rarely, IF EVER, need to fill up their car with a gas can.

Are you planning on going to Siberia?
 
2006-08-03 03:06:47 PM
Churnin Urn of Burnin Funk: What a shame. :)


Some of us prefer to have civilization around us, k'thanks.
 
2006-08-03 03:06:52 PM
2006-08-03 03:03:26 PM neoarroyo

Nope, no housing assistance. Traditional mortgage at a great rate from the credit union.

The town we bought in the houses range from $130K (super fixer-upper) to $350K depending on the house itself.

I got super lucky while looking. In fact, so lucky, I ended up buying the house from my cousin and I didn't know it was her house until we showed up with the realtor to look at it.

Housing is coming down here and there are plenty more available in this town and a few of the other surrounding towns that are super affordable. I cut my commute (used to live in Delaware) from 30 mins to 7 mins each way.
 
2006-08-03 03:07:34 PM
neoarroyo: none have shower facilities that I know of. And these are large corps. If there are any, it is more the exception than the norm.

Also, if they have them, it's because they want you to work there for days at a time without going home. Many large law firnms have them, and will order meals for you for free, but it ain't because they want you to save energy, it's because they want you to work.
 
2006-08-03 03:07:34 PM
scotttothety: This, from the state that has boycotted things such as Mexican avacadoes, which are better and cheaper? Give me a break.


We don't boycott MExican avocadoes. There are these people called "lobbyists"... these "lobbyists" promote making laws that are ridiculously anti-competitive. Thanks to NAFTA, CA is going to be FORCED to open their grocery shelves to cheaper mexican avocadoes. ITs a good thing, and its about time.

Are you trying to say California is Pro-mexico, or anti-mexico? You can't have your argument go both ways ya know....

I didn't intend to limit it to that. Thanks for broadening the topic though. One look at your travesty of a budget and tells me all I need to know about how well your overall system is working in California.

MMM yeah, because the CA budget is the only budget in the nation that had to make massive cutbacks. No, every other state in the union didn't just go through a ridiculous budget crisis either. California is now a shiathole with massive social and economic issues and no one wants to move here anymore, and business are initiating a mass exodus. YEah, thats definitely the case.

Well, in Georgia if you have a 3.o in HS you can go to school free at a state university. Is free better than $4,000? My brother went to Texas A&M, and his tuition and books were $400 a semester. Is $400 better than $4,000? I went to West Point for free. Is that better than $4,000?

What if you don't have a 3.0 in Georgia? EVERY STUDENT IN CALIFORNIA ACCEPTED WITHOUT REGARD TO GPA is not going to pay more than 5k a year. you're comparing scholarships to basic tuition. Thats not an even comparison. I'm sure students that get higher than a 3.0 get enough scholarships and aid to avoid paying for school too.

Texas A&M..... normally.... lets see... according to finace.tamu.edu, and assuming 15 credit hours per semester, you pay 2175 in tuition alone. Double that and thats nearly 4500 dollars a year just in tuition. Your brother probably got a scholarship to help lower the cost. I'm NOT COUNTING SCHOLARSHIPS. If you went to West Point (Army), you were PAID TO GO. You were a military student. These are not equal comparisons, but thanks for playing.
 
2006-08-03 03:08:29 PM
neonrisk: Umm... I go camping a lot and I don't really use my car *while* I'm doing it.


I meant driving up into the middle of BFE and hopping out and then hiking for a day into whatever lake and then camping for the weekend and coming back to your car Sunday and finding a dead battery. Yeah, see, that sucks.
 
2006-08-03 03:09:51 PM
@whidbey

Look, I support the fact that you are one of the few who use as little of the world's resources as much as possible. I have the same mindset, if only our typical SUV driving asshole Americans would follow, the world would be a better place for it. At any rate, I am on your side, the only thing I am against is your one size fits all answer that a bike cures all. It doesn't, at least not unless we roll back our cultural expectations of perfection...ie. Don't have to smell great at work, don't have to be there right on time, not have to wear nice clothes to work, have more time in the day, so that more time spent on a bike could be accounted for etc. Basically, the last time the US economy was like that would probably in the early 1900's.
 
2006-08-03 03:10:01 PM
WSUCanuck: No, every other state in the union didn't just go through a ridiculous budget crisis either.


Hi! Welcome to Arizona! The Fastest Growing Economy in the Union! Our Republican Legislature and Democrat Governor actually passed a budget on time this time. Oh, and Our Constitution REQUIRES a Balanced Budget. Yeah, we're cool like that.
 
2006-08-03 03:10:29 PM
st_gulik: Some of us prefer to have civilization around us, k'thanks.

That's presumptuous of you. :)
 
2006-08-03 03:11:10 PM
I_Make_Jebus_Cry


hardly. It will stop you DEAD from about 20mph without a problem...no burning pads either. It uses ceramic pads.


but if I stop that fast I'll be DEAD when I finish rolling to the bottom of the hill.

Seriously though, that is a sick bike. I have a Kona myself, and I have perhaps the worst Shimano Discs conceived. They overheat all the time and I lose brake power.... and I'm not one to ride the brakes.

I checked the Kona website and they have the 2007s up now.... *drool*
 
2006-08-03 03:12:08 PM
WSUCanuck: If you went to West Point (Army), you were PAID TO GO. You were a military student.


Yeah, West Point spends about a MILLION dollars per Student. If you flunk out your Junior or Senior Year you're expected to pay it back.
 
2006-08-03 03:13:46 PM
st_gulik

I meant driving up into the middle of BFE and hopping out and then hiking for a day into whatever lake and then camping for the weekend and coming back to your car Sunday and finding a dead battery. Yeah, see, that sucks.


BFE?

Why would that happen though.. unless you left the lights on or something. Of course the same shiat could happen with a gas car... if you don't have a jumpstarter.

Like I said there are limitations to plug-ins. For the vast majority of people a plug-in is all they would ever need... even for camping.
 
2006-08-03 03:14:15 PM
Churnin Urn of Burnin Funk: That's presumptuous of you. :)


As is your assuming that it was too bad I didn't have a mountain in my backyard. ;) I have enough scorpions and snakes and coyotes as it is, so I think I'm fine without a mountain. =)
 
2006-08-03 03:15:11 PM
neoarroyo: At any rate, I am on your side, the only thing I am against is your one size fits all answer that a bike cures all

I'd like to know where everyone is getting this idea from me that that's the ONLY solution.

It sure puts folks on the defensive, I've noticed.

Which means there must be some truth to it, or I'm tapping into folks' guilt.

It doesn't, at least not unless we roll back our cultural expectations of perfection...ie. Don't have to smell great at work, don't have to be there right on time, not have to wear nice clothes to work

And all I asked you is whether there's a gym you could shower at before work! Wouldn't that solve your problem?
 
2006-08-03 03:15:11 PM
neonrisk: Like I said there are limitations to plug-ins. For the vast majority of people a plug-in is all they would ever need... even for camping.


You're probably right, I'm still thinking of crappy little batteries that need to be plugged in all the time...like golf cars (something we have a plethora of out here).
 
2006-08-03 03:16:03 PM
suebhoney: Actually I'd be glad to hear that CA is doing something finally about the brownout situation. Having no electric is and would be horrible.

I do recall a thread about a week or so ago with Californians speaking up regarding new plants (approx. 35 I believe) that were on their way to being constructed.

I'm all for the environment, but, I also believe that eco-fundies need to see reality.



Things HAVE been done regarding the brownouts.... the only reason we had brownouts its because unscrupulous energy companies illegally manipulated the market to make it look like there was an energy shortage, and raised the price of energy to CA. WE hit a record in terms of power usage (an all time record) during the heat wave we had that is now affecting the east coast. The only thing CAL-ISO did was cut power to homes that volunteered to accept a blackout. There was no real danger of rolling blackouts or brownouts. We have a few more power plants scheduled to come online within the next 10 years.

Churnin Urn of Burnin Funk: Did you debunk it? I don't see it.

Missed the part about illegal energy market manipulation?

DrewCurtisJr: What is Medi-Cal then?

Medi-Cal is the name of the Medicaid program in the State of California. It is jointly administered by the California Department of Health Services and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), operating as a Medical Assistance Program under Title XIX of the Social Security Act.

Like Medic-aid... its for the elderly.

st_gulik: Hey, your state, of choice, California, has crappy energy policy, which makes it unlivable.

It's not pro-manipulation, it's just a fact, that if you live in Cali you might lose power for no reason.


Poor energy policy.... we just broke our record for maximum power usage and did not even resort to rolling blackouts/brownouts. Did you not see that?
 
2006-08-03 03:16:43 PM
whidbey: Which means there must be some truth to it, or I'm tapping into folks' guilt.

No, you're tapping into our Ire over the Evangelistic way Bike Riders go about promoting your SPORT. ;)

Ride your Bike, like solar power in AZ is not the answer everywhere.
 
2006-08-03 03:17:09 PM
whidbey is a tree humper.
 
2006-08-03 03:17:46 PM
WSUCanuck: Missed the part about illegal energy market manipulation?

Not at all. I just never saw it proven that it was the source for brownouts, rather than the inability to form a responsible energy policy on any political level.
 
2006-08-03 03:18:03 PM
st_gulik: Hi! Welcome to Arizona! The Fastest Growing Economy in the Union! Our Republican Legislature and Democrat Governor actually passed a budget on time this time. Oh, and Our Constitution REQUIRES a Balanced Budget. Yeah, we're cool like that.



You don't think Arizona had to make massive cuts in order to meet the constitutionally required balanced budget? I really hope you're not saying that.

Yeah, West Point spends about a MILLION dollars per Student. If you flunk out your Junior or Senior Year you're expected to pay it back.

I can't tell if thats sarcasm....
 
2006-08-03 03:18:16 PM
@suebhoney

Wow, that is a great deal, but would it have been that low if you didn't buy from your cousin though? Did she or he give you a good price? It is ridiculous here in the Boston area, you can drive 30-40 minutes out, maybe even an hour and if you wanted to buy a 3 bedroom, 2 bath in a nice neighborhood, you are still looking at about 250K. My parents bought their brand new house only 10 miles outside Boston in 92, 3 levels, 4 bedrooms, 3 baths for only 175K...in the same area now, you can't even find a condo for less than 200K. Sick, I sometimes hate America, every farking thing is a commodity subject to the so called "free" ehm manipulated markets.
 
2006-08-03 03:18:35 PM
WSUCanuck: Poor energy policy.... we just broke our record for maximum power usage and did not even resort to rolling blackouts/brownouts. Did you not see that?


When? I just heard from my Cali friends (in LA) last week that they were experiencing rolling blackouts and that there were old people dying in SD because of now power for their AC's. Did you magically get more powerplants or are you finally getting the power from Palo Verde Nuclear Power Plant we just started selling to you?
 
2006-08-03 03:19:16 PM
st_gulik

What happens when you want to go camping with your plug in car?

You park it somewhere where the fold out solar panels you put in the trunk work well to charge it?
 
2006-08-03 03:19:39 PM
WSUCanuck: You don't think Arizona had to make massive cuts in order to meet the constitutionally required balanced budget? I really hope you're not saying that.


No, see our Economy GREW. More money...from Californians moving here. ;)
 
2006-08-03 03:20:05 PM
st_gulik

Here's what a plug-in looks like now: TESLA ROADSTER (link pops)
img323.imageshack.us


Of course... I wouldn't take this thing camping.
 
2006-08-03 03:21:04 PM
WSUCanuck: I can't tell if thats sarcasm....

No, that's true. I almost went to WP (my back injury prevented this), and my friend Brian Groves did actually go, fortunately he graduated. :)
 
2006-08-03 03:21:14 PM
st_gulik: No, you're tapping into our Ire over the Evangelistic way Bike Riders go about promoting your SPORT. ;)

That's ridiculous. It's not a sport, for one thing. It's a very viable alternative, and it just gobsmacks me that the reaction I get from people is uh...uh...well, uh...well...

WELL IT'S JUST NOT FOR ME!! Why? Well, just because it isn't. Now go away, you FUNDIE!

And then they slam the door of their SUV right in my face.
 
2006-08-03 03:21:41 PM
neonrisk: Of course... I wouldn't take this thing camping.


Hell, I would, but then I convinced my friend to take his Camero camping once. ;)
 
2006-08-03 03:22:26 PM
@whidbey

If you don't think that bikes is a one size fits all solution, then I have no argument with you. I think people think that about you because you had stated that "there is really no reason not to ride a bike to work" Well, there are reasons, that's all. If you finally agree that there are times when cars are necessary for some people in some jobs or locations, then it's all good. I would agree with you on that.
 
2006-08-03 03:22:59 PM
2006-08-03 03:18:16 PM neoarroyo

Her asking price was $159,900. I offered her $157,900. The other offer she had was for full price but the woman wanted her to pay $4600 of the closing costs.

In all honesty, the only benefit from being cousins is that it made the transaction much smoother. She even gave me $450 for a new dishwasher since the one in there wasn't working. That's the only real benefit from the actual sale.

From a family perspective though, I was told that anything I found to be wrong or in need of repair I should just call her husband or my uncle and they'll fix it.
 
2006-08-03 03:23:11 PM
Churnin Urn of Burnin Funk: Not at all. I just never saw it proven that it was the source for brownouts, rather than the inability to form a responsible energy policy on any political level.



This is a very very dumbed down "sequence of events" that doesn't even come close to fully explaining the situation, but i hope it'll do. This in no way means i don't think you'll understand what happened. I just think its waay too farking complicated to nail it down.

I figure that if energy companies intentionally withhold energy supplies during times of high energy demand, the price of energy goes up. CAlifornia refused to pay out the ass (well we paid out the ass, but we had our limits) for this energy, resulting in energy shortages.

California doesn't produce enough energy itself to avoid relying on neighboring states for energy. (its more than arguable that THIS policy was the result for the energy shortages) I personally believe that a slow power plant expansion process combined with illegal market manipulation (which resulted in billions of dollars being refunded to the state of California) helped create the ridiculous situation the nation's most populous state went through at the turn of the century/millenium.
 
2006-08-03 03:23:35 PM
I always think its funny pulling up to the trailhead in my 93 Honda Civic... getting the gear out of the hatchback for three guys on a week long trip... and seeing some dudes next to me in a $50,000 SUV they needed for "Life's Adventures".
 
2006-08-03 03:24:22 PM
st_gulik: No, that's true. I almost went to WP (my back injury prevented this), and my friend Brian Groves did actually go, fortunately he graduated. :)


K. Well congrats to your friend, and sorry your injury prevented you from serving this country. Thank you for helping me prove a point.



/Arizona still sucks though
//*fingers in ears* blah blah blah not listening blah blah blah
 
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